NFT: Realmuto to the Mets gaining traction?

confirmed 2nd half for Cespedes.

In comment 14206865 Jay on the Island said:

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As Z said only Pollock really makes sense for the Mets among the available FA's because he is the only good CF available.

Brantley is fine for the right team but his defense is in decline so yeah for the Braves in LF sure. For the Mets in CF or moving over Nimmo = disaster.

My first take is he kind of seems better suited for a team willing to spend.

I was hoping that his "vision" had convinced the Wilpon's that spending was a better path at generating revenue but if he is on tight limits I'm not sure he is the type of gamble at GM worth taking

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The Diamondbacks could be closing in on a deal with the St. Louis Cardinals involving Paul Goldschmidt - could happen today.

Ramos or Cervelli, Pollock, Miller.. they could do far worse

In comment 14206889 DanMetroMan said:

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Ramos or Cervelli, Pollock, Miller.. they could do far worse

I'm not sure why Atlanta doesn't acquire Cervelli. He would be a great fit to split time with Flowers. Their strong interest in Realmuto still shows that they don't view McCann as the primary backup to Flowers. He will likely be the primary bench bat/backup to Freeman at 1B with an occasional start at catcher.

a big Cervelli fan personally.

that's a very Cardinals pickup. Wonder if Ozuna is part of the package going back.

In comment 14206899 Eric on Li said:

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that's a very Cardinals pickup. Wonder if Ozuna is part of the package going back.

Great move by St. Louis. Does that mean Carpenter is moving to 3B?

In comment 14206903 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14206899 Eric on Li said: Quote: that's a very Cardinals pickup. Wonder if Ozuna is part of the package going back. Great move by St. Louis. Does that mean Carpenter is moving to 3B?

I guess so, or maybe they flip him and sell high (which would be a good sell high IMO). He has 2 reasonable years remaining so presumably they could get a really good prospect or 2.

#10 overall in DRS behind Cain, Inciarte, Kiermeier, Buxton, Lagares, Dyson, Margot, Taylor, Jacoby Jones.
(He's actually 1 spot ahead of Hamilton and Kevin Pillar.)

#12 in range rating behind most of the above group.
#16 in out of zone plays.

3rd to last in arm rating, in front of only Yelich + Blackmon.

The injury issue is definitely a concern, but beyond that he's about as good as they can do both defensively and offensively. Not a lot of guys better than him on both ends and the few that are aren't available.
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off air. doing a big defense of the entire org right now. Also mentioned Miller and that he'd be a homerun.

a Contract like Donaldson got. Because the injury issues are a big concern. He�s always hurt. He also cost the Mets second round draft pick, I believe

ex-teammate of Pollock said "100%" chance he lands on the DL this season. No idea if it's a personality/personal thing between the two or his view of how he plays or lack of toughness but there's that.

Why trade Nimmo for Realmuto and sign Pollack when you can just keep Nimmo and sign a Brantley/McCutcheon and Ramos/Grandal?

Roll with Nimmo, Conforto and Lagares (who admittedly is always hurt) plus another veteran.

What do you think?

In comment 14207243 Chris684 said:

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Why trade Nimmo for Realmuto and sign Pollack when you can just keep Nimmo and sign a Brantley/McCutcheon and Ramos/Grandal? Roll with Nimmo, Conforto and Lagares (who admittedly is always hurt) plus another veteran. What do you think?

I have absolutely zero interest in Realmuto at the cost being discussed. I actually think McCutchen is my #3 OF choice Harper, Pollock, then McCutchen. I don't see McCutchen being so much cheaper than Pollock that he allows for a catcher where Pollock doesn't. I think if you have the money for one with McCutchen you also have it with Pollock.

What would you say if Cashman offered Sanchez and Hicks for Thor?

Would never happen. Just curious.

In comment 14207246 Chris684 said:

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What would you say if Cashman offered Sanchez and Hicks for Thor? Would never happen. Just curious.

I would pass. Hicks is already expected to make about 6.2 this year and is a FA after the season. Might as well just sign a Grandal and Pollock. You can backload Pollock to "6.2-ish", pay Grandal and keep Thor.

Not that the Mets and Yanks would ever trade anyway but before the Cano trade I was also interested in Andujar.

Sounds like the Mets don't NEED more trades. Just go out and sign:

Pollack/Cutch
Ramos/Grandal
Miller

Maybe one other cheap reliever and/or starter

In comment 14207211 Rflairr said:

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a Contract like Donaldson got. Because the injury issues are a big concern. He�s always hurt. He also cost the Mets second round draft pick, I believe

He's definitely not worth the 5 years he's looking for but I'd guess someone is definitely willing to do 3 since this year's market looks a lot stronger than last year's and he's got no other competition. I'd do 3 and be more than happy to do a big 1 year deal so he can try again next year and maybe have a big year this year.

In comment 14207262 Chris684 said:

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Not that the Mets and Yanks would ever trade anyway but before the Cano trade I was also interested in Andujar. Sounds like the Mets don't NEED more trades. Just go out and sign: Pollack/Cutch Ramos/Grandal Miller Maybe one other cheap reliever and/or starter

Exactly. Only issue with the options above is that Cutch (& Brantely & Jones) are COF only at this point and negatives defensively there too. So it would be kind of like signing Bruce again in terms of creating a jam.

look like if we added Cutch, Ramos and Robertson? I don't hate the idea of Miller, but there's some risk there that he's washed. Robertson looked better last year.

So if you sign Pollack it's Nimmo-Pollack-MC

If you sign Cutch it's Cutch-Nimmo-MC

can't really hack it in CF anymore. Damn.

More than happy to sign Billy Hamilton cheap.
Play home and legares in CF for a cheap 4 WAR defense
Have an amazing stolen base threat off the bench late in games
Sign Andrew Miller
Between the bullpen, great CF D, and late game stolen bases - can see �stealing� a couple of close one run games that we typically would lose.

Always a huge Pollock fan. BUT. A second rounder. Ha,f a Mil in international $ 5/$80mm or more? No thanks.

Sign Carson Smith. Sign Lucroy.
Would Familia sign a friendly�home team� discount (doubtful)
Find out how cheap A Garcia will sign a one year deal??
Will Robbie Grossman take a dirt cheap deal? Dietrich? Josh Harrison?
Doubtful, but is Schoopwilling to sign a one year Ben Zobrist deal to hit the payday next offseason?

Your offseason is �done�. Now go big name hunting, but without that empty stomach feeling...

has been worth... 0.0 fWAR over roughly 500 games played outside his 207. That's not a misprint. Lucroy looks completely shot to me. Much, much prefer Cervelli. Fine with Hamilton.

2017 81 wRC+, 2018 70 wRC+ AND one of the worst pitch framers in baseball
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the past 2 seasons 8 catchers have had 900+ PA's, Lucroy is 8th in fWAR, 8th in wRC+, 8th in wOBA and -26 DRS. I wouldn't take him for anything more than a minor league deal. He's finished.

a Billy Hamilton signing but we'd really have to upgrade everywhere else. If the rest of the offseason was:

Hamilton, Grandal, Cahill, Robertson and Familia, I'd be OK with it. Could the reevaluate in early July whether we need another OF or whether Cespedes is coming back.

In comment 14207309 Shecky said:

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More than happy to sign Billy Hamilton cheap. Play home and legares in CF for a cheap 4 WAR defense Have an amazing stolen base threat off the bench late in games Sign Andrew Miller Between the bullpen, great CF D, and late game stolen bases - can see �stealing� a couple of close one run games that we typically would lose. Always a huge Pollock fan. BUT. A second rounder. Ha,f a Mil in international $ 5/$80mm or more? No thanks. Sign Carson Smith. Sign Lucroy. Would Familia sign a friendly�home team� discount (doubtful) Find out how cheap A Garcia will sign a one year deal?? Will Robbie Grossman take a dirt cheap deal? Dietrich? Josh Harrison? Doubtful, but is Schoopwilling to sign a one year Ben Zobrist deal to hit the payday next offseason? Your offseason is �done�. Now go big name hunting, but without that empty stomach feeling...

I suggested Hamilton as a fallback CF option yesterday. I don't hate the idea. You can bat him 9th, mix him with Lagares based on who is hot, and you've massively upgraded the D + speed/athleticism overall. If it's going that badly midseason you possibly have Cespedes coming back and we know we can get by for a little bit with either Nimmo or Conforto in CF if desperate.

If you get him though I think you need to add 1 of the stronger hitting RH catchers like Cervelli or Ramos though to extend the lineup 1-7. This lineup needs at least 1 more good RH bat.

a lineup with Lagares/Hamilton and Plawecki/Lucroy is likely going to be quite bad.

if his defense doesn't improve this year. Assuming Gimenez would be ready for the big leagues by then, he would fill the hole at SS in 2020.

This in addition to his injury history is why I would stay away from signing Pollock to a long term deal.

I like the idea of signing Cutch to a 2 year deal to play one of the corner OF spots. He is a right handed bat that will help balance out the lineup. I can live with Nimmo/Lagares in CF in 2019.

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you guys think with BVW as GM he maybe able to convince the Wilpons to deal with the Yankees if it benefits them?

In comment 14207548 mitch300 said:

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you guys think with BVW as GM he maybe able to convince the Wilpons to deal with the Yankees if it benefits them?

Honestly, I feel like the Yankees win 90% of the trades they do so I don't really want any part of dealing with them.

In comment 14207557 Metnut said:

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In comment 14207548 mitch300 said: Quote: you guys think with BVW as GM he maybe able to convince the Wilpons to deal with the Yankees if it benefits them? Honestly, I feel like the Yankees win 90% of the trades they do so I don't really want any part of dealing with them.

But yea, if there's another situation where we're out of the race and we end up taking less for Neil Walker or Lucas Duda or someone like that to avoid dealing with the Yankees, I hope BVW can just take the best deal.

In comment 14207558 Metnut said:

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In comment 14207557 Metnut said: Quote: In comment 14207548 mitch300 said: Quote: you guys think with BVW as GM he maybe able to convince the Wilpons to deal with the Yankees if it benefits them? Honestly, I feel like the Yankees win 90% of the trades they do so I don't really want any part of dealing with them. But yea, if there's another situation where we're out of the race and we end up taking less for Neil Walker or Lucas Duda or someone like that to avoid dealing with the Yankees, I hope BVW can just take the best deal.

Yeah, that was my point. I believe they could have possibly got more for Duda or maybe it was bruce in 2017.

CF - Hamilton (1 year)
C - Cervelli for Dom (Vargas back the other way to offset some $)
RP - Miller (3 years)
RP - 1 year vet mid reliever like brach
SP - Gio (2 years)

IMO that's the bare minimum and from the way they're talking I'd guess they'll end up doing better than that. Pollock is the obvious upgrade but he probably adds $10m this year + 2-3 extra years (and lose draft pick). Not sure he's worth the risk, especially if they have any confidence that Cespedes could actually come back 2nd half.

In comment 14207669 Eric on Li said:

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CF - Hamilton (1 year) C - Cervelli for Dom (Vargas back the other way to offset some $) RP - Miller (3 years) RP - 1 year vet mid reliever like brach SP - Gio (2 years) IMO that's the bare minimum and from the way they're talking I'd guess they'll end up doing better than that. Pollock is the obvious upgrade but he probably adds $10m this year + 2-3 extra years (and lose draft pick). Not sure he's worth the risk, especially if they have any confidence that Cespedes could actually come back 2nd half.

Yeah I would but I could see the offense potentially struggling quite a bit. Also it looks like Hamilton may sign quickly (Royals have already spoken to him) so I'm not sure he's even going to be an option. Really like Cervelli.

Realmuto .279/.327/.442, 99 DRC+, 12 BWARP in 540 games

Grandal .240/.341/.441, 110 DRC+, 28.1/726

Ramos ,273/.317/.437, 102 DRC+, 19.7/760

Cervelli .273/.362/.383, 100 DRC+, 15.9/666

Nimmo (Corner OF)
McNiel (3B)
Conforto (Corner Of)
Cano (2B)
Alonso (1B)
Grandal/Ramos/Cervelli (C)
Rosario (SS)
Lagares/Hamilton (CF)

Seems good enough to me. There's also room to improve it if Cespedes come back or at the trading deadline. Improving the OF defense will save some of the runs that we give back in the 8 hole. I guess Frazier will probably be in there a bit too, especially if Mets play service time with Alonso.

In comment 14207680 DanMetroMan said:

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Realmuto .279/.327/.442, 99 DRC+, 12 BWARP in 540 games Grandal .240/.341/.441, 110 DRC+, 28.1/726 Ramos ,273/.317/.437, 102 DRC+, 19.7/760 Cervelli .273/.362/.383, 100 DRC+, 15.9/666

I'm not shocked to see Grandal do better in DRC+, it seems to value HR hitters and lower the value on more contact oriented hitters. Haven't fully absorbed the entire methodology yet but initially it seems to boost the types of hitters I generally don't love. On the leaderboard of players whose rankings dropped the most from their OPS rank to their DRC+ rank were Cain, Cano, Yelich (3x), Jacque Jones. Even Machado one season. Meanwhile on the flip side the guys who got helped by it were Brian McCann, Alfonzo (oddly 2 of his SF seasons), Ricky Henderson in all years he hit .240 or less, Mcgwire + Texeira in years they were around .200.

In comment 14207717 Metnut said:

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Nimmo (Corner OF) McNiel (3B) Conforto (Corner Of) Cano (2B) Alonso (1B) Grandal/Ramos/Cervelli (C) Rosario (SS) Lagares/Hamilton (CF) Seems good enough to me. There's also room to improve it if Cespedes come back or at the trading deadline. Improving the OF defense will save some of the runs that we give back in the 8 hole. I guess Frazier will probably be in there a bit too, especially if Mets play service time with Alonso.

I generally agree. Only change I'd make is moving a righty (probably Rosario) up the 2 spot to not start L-L-L-L and move McNeil down to 6th behind Alonso (or Frazier to start the year) and the catcher to 7th to split up L/R more.

Twins sign Jonathan Schoop to a 1 year $7.5 million dollar deal and Ronald Torreyes to a 1 year deal.

Cleveland signed Carlos Carrasco to a 4 year extension. The deal will pay him the same $9.75 million his 2019 option had paid, will increase his now-torn-up 2020 option to $10.25 from $9.5 million and will pay him $12 million in both 2021 and 2022. The option for 2023 is worth $14 million and comes with a $3 million buyout.

both of which are also below FMV to bring the total to 4/$47m. Wonder how brodie feels about that comp coming in right before negotiating with JDG. Obviously this season from degrom was HOF worthy, but over the past 5 years Carrasco isn't that far off and they're both at similar ages with 2 years of control. A 5 year / $100m extension seems a lot more generous today than it did yesterday. Cano him!

would not deal any of Nimmo, Conforto or Rosario let alone including top prospects for Realmuto. I'm liking this guy more and more.

when I cite someone you didn't initially like, will you at least listen before jumping to conclusions because that same person may have said something you didn't previously agree with?

In comment 14208042 CMicks3110 said:

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when I cite someone you didn't initially like, will you at least listen before jumping to conclusions because that same person may have said something you didn't previously agree with?

I don't like anything from Martino, Cerrone or ex-Mets employees (Phillips, Duquette, Fisher included) defending a team with 2 recent winning seasons). But other than Cerrone not everything someone I disagree with is wrong on everything.

deal for the Phillies, Alvarez is very solid. Strange move by the Angels.

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