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This is the WFAN Shurmur article mentioned by Papa

FranknWeezer : 12/5/2018 8:57 am
Saw Bob Papa mention this on Twitter and how theyíve been blasting this article on Sirius this morning. Check it out
WFAN writerís take on Shurmur - ( New Window )
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Dodge : 12/5/2018 9:03 am : link
Whenever someone starts an article with "The dictionary definition of whatever the article subject is about" you know it's going to be a terrible article and the writer is probably a hack.
I wonder  
Fred in Atlanta : 12/5/2018 9:06 am : link
what they said when Bill Parcells first coached the Giants, the papers were all calling for his firing. Sometimes great first years as coach can be fools gold.
What a piece of shit  
Gman11 : 12/5/2018 9:06 am : link
that was. I'm sorry I wasted the time to read that garbage. Who is this guy to question people's intelligence and effort? What has he ever done at the NFL level? Get the fuck out of here.
This is silly of Papa  
jcn56 : 12/5/2018 9:07 am : link
Here's some rando writing for WFAN's website (yes, the radio station's website), penning the absolute worst article anyone's ever read. It doesn't deserve any attention at all, let alone getting pumped on social media and on satellite radio.

And that's from a guy who doesn't think Shurmur is cut out for this either.
Drivel  
Defense56 : 12/5/2018 9:09 am : link
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I disagree with most of the article  
Gap92 : 12/5/2018 9:10 am : link
There seems to be none of the backstabbing and infighting that plagued us the past few years. And the team is playing hard for him - we just don't have the talent yet (especially after turning over half the roster).
The whole "he acts like his Parcells or Belichick" thing doesn't really fly for me either. Shurmer may be a bit awkward with the media, but I feel like that is more a result of him feeling like the outcome of a game can be explained succinctly in 2 minutes rather than a 20 minute back and forth. He's also a mild-mannered midwesterner which is going to be an acquired taste here in NY.

Is he the answer? I don't know. Of course I want him to be. He's made a few boneheaded decisions, but overall it's hard to judge him when you turn over half+ the roster in year one. The players that he does have appear to be playing hard.
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Mr. Bungle : 12/5/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 14206233 Dodge said:
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Whenever someone starts an article with "The dictionary definition of whatever the article subject is about" you know it's going to be a terrible article and the writer is probably a hack.

And it doesn't even specify the word being defined.
Makes you wonder what that guy is watching.  
Britt in VA : 12/5/2018 9:20 am : link
Also makes you wonder if he posts on BBI.
For all the criticism of Shurmur  
joeinpa : 12/5/2018 9:22 am : link
He has a 1-7 team whom many said would not win another game, 3-1 after the bye.

Even I can see some of the adjustments he s made on offense.

Also against a supposedly very good Bears defense his offense has tw very impressive drives, one at the end of the 4th which unfortunately did not end in points, and one in OT, which should have been a walk off.

I think much of the criticism towards him is premature and based in fan frustration.

This team is improving.
Whatís the saying?  
gmenrule-va : 12/5/2018 9:22 am : link
A year late and a dollar short ? Not sure what he is looking at or those he supposedly interviewed.
What has Papa been saying about the article?  
bradshaw44 : 12/5/2018 9:25 am : link
Because I don't think it's a good or arcuate article at all. I'm not a big Shurmur fan, but he has the team playing hard. They have won 3 of 4 and could easily have been 4 of 4.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/5/2018 9:26 am : link
I don't think Shurmur is the right man for the job, but I don't see Mara firing him after this season. If the team had quit, that's a different story, but they're still out there trying their best.
RE: For all the criticism of Shurmur  
Bill L : 12/5/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 14206265 joeinpa said:
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He has a 1-7 team whom many said would not win another game, 3-1 after the bye.

Even I can see some of the adjustments he s made on offense.

Also against a supposedly very good Bears defense his offense has tw very impressive drives, one at the end of the 4th which unfortunately did not end in points, and one in OT, which should have been a walk off.

I think much of the criticism towards him is premature and based in fan frustration.

This team is improving.


I almost never agree with you. But I agree with you.
Me too.  
Britt in VA : 12/5/2018 9:30 am : link
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You can question a bunch of things with Shurmur  
The_Boss : 12/5/2018 9:33 am : link
His game plans
In game adjustments
Clock management
His overall feel for the game
And his long term viability for the job

But you cannot question if the players quit. Itís night and day compared to what transpired during last season.
This article is spot on...  
the mike : 12/5/2018 9:37 am : link
Shurmur is not a head coach - he is a coordinator. Very likable guy who can skillfully carry out a game plan devised and controlled by an effective head coach. His brutal game management and mind numbing play calling have been nothing short of disastrous and directly led to at least two losses.

On Sunday, Shurmur actually began his press conference by saying "some people are fond of talented people, some people are fond of smart people, Iím fond of tough, resilient people," as though these are mutually exclusive attributes. He actually articulated in an unaided statement that he likes tough and resilient clods who lack intelligence? This of course is silly and not what he really meant, but if this is how he clumsily presents ideas to the media, then how does he express ideas to the players every day? Could any player be motivated by him? Would you be motivated in your job if he was your direct manager?

Shurmur was a mistake. Perhaps the worst mistake by Gettleman in his first year. And his likability makes him much more scary than the universally unlikable McAdoo's and Handley's of the world. While I acknowledge John Mara will never make a change after only one year, it is unfortunately only a matter of time before he realizes that a change is necessary to get back to playoff football in East Rutherford...

I am hopeful that John realizes this sooner rather than later. Actually, I am praying, pleading and downright begging... John, you are not only tough and resilient, but you are ALSO talented and smart. There is no shame in fast failure - it is in fact the essence of righting the ship as quickly as possible...
RE: You can question a bunch of things with Shurmur  
bradshaw44 : 12/5/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 14206289 The_Boss said:
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His game plans
In game adjustments
Clock management
His overall feel for the game
And his long term viability for the job

But you cannot question if the players quit. Itís night and day compared to what transpired during last season.



Yup. Just look at the players running over to Shurmur after the 4th down TD pass to Odell at the end of the first half. They all ran over to him laughing and high fiving him coming off the field. That was the sign of a team that hasn't quit and appreciates their coach.
This whole article is...  
Dnew15 : 12/5/2018 9:46 am : link
garbage and can't believe that Papa would give any credence to it what so ever.
What youíve just written here is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
RE: Makes you wonder what that guy is watching.  
montanagiant : 12/5/2018 9:49 am : link
In comment 14206260 Britt in VA said:
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Also makes you wonder if he posts on BBI.

LOL..That was exactly my first thought that someone from BBI wrote that
RE: This whole article is...  
bradshaw44 : 12/5/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 14206324 Dnew15 said:
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garbage and can't believe that Papa would give any credence to it what so ever.
What youíve just written here is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Lol. Sums it up nicely Mr. Madison.
For me, the big take away from Shurmur  
JohnB : 12/5/2018 9:53 am : link
is that he hasn't lost the team. They are still rallying around him and playing hard for him despite an awful lose to the Eagles. After an unbelievably bad half against the Bears, they came out and pushed the Bears around and won a game that most thought would be a blow out.

He has made mistakes and he can learn but he knows how to keep a team together. That's worth a lot.
RE: This whole article is...  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/5/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 14206324 Dnew15 said:
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garbage and can't believe that Papa would give any credence to it what so ever.
What youíve just written here is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
+2
RE: This whole article is...  
FranknWeezer : 12/5/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 14206324 Dnew15 said:
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garbage and can't believe that Papa would give any credence to it what so ever.
What youíve just written here is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


By 'credence,' don't you really mean 'air-time'? At the risk of using this writer's method of providing definitions to make a point, credence is the belief in something as being true. That's the OPPOSITE of what Papa was doing.
RE: This article is spot on...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/5/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 14206300 the mike said:
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Shurmur is not a head coach - he is a coordinator. Very likable guy who can skillfully carry out a game plan devised and controlled by an effective head coach. His brutal game management and mind numbing play calling have been nothing short of disastrous and directly led to at least two losses.

On Sunday, Shurmur actually began his press conference by saying "some people are fond of talented people, some people are fond of smart people, Iím fond of tough, resilient people," as though these are mutually exclusive attributes. He actually articulated in an unaided statement that he likes tough and resilient clods who lack intelligence? This of course is silly and not what he really meant, but if this is how he clumsily presents ideas to the media, then how does he express ideas to the players every day? Could any player be motivated by him? Would you be motivated in your job if he was your direct manager?

Shurmur was a mistake. Perhaps the worst mistake by Gettleman in his first year. And his likability makes him much more scary than the universally unlikable McAdoo's and Handley's of the world. While I acknowledge John Mara will never make a change after only one year, it is unfortunately only a matter of time before he realizes that a change is necessary to get back to playoff football in East Rutherford...

I am hopeful that John realizes this sooner rather than later. Actually, I am praying, pleading and downright begging... John, you are not only tough and resilient, but you are ALSO talented and smart. There is no shame in fast failure - it is in fact the essence of righting the ship as quickly as possible...


We found the author guys
If you understand the history of the Giants  
arniefez : 12/5/2018 10:14 am : link
and how the Mara's operate you would understand why Bob Papa the face and voice of the Giants in house media is making a big deal about a little article that no one would ever see if he hadn't mentioned it.

The fact that it's on WFAN's web site is the biggest issue. Really the only issue. I'm guessing someone at WFAN got quite a Pat Hanlon phone call this morning.

This isn't new. Do some Mara homework. In the 60's Wellington Mara measured the column inches in the NY Times to see if Jets were getting more coverage than the Giants and would write letters to the Times complaining if the Jets did.

Does Bob Papa read the WFAN web site every morning checking on the Giants articles so he can decide whether to mention them on Sirius? How did he even see this?
Frank  
Dnew15 : 12/5/2018 10:44 am : link
That's correct - he was indeed doing the opposite of giving credence to this guys point. Air-time was what I should have said.
And I guess these guys have to get on the air and talk about something - so I guess that's why Papa brought it up.
RE: This article is spot on...  
NYBEN1963 : 12/5/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 14206300 the mike said:
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Shurmur is not a head coach - he is a coordinator. Very likable guy who can skillfully carry out a game plan devised and controlled by an effective head coach. His brutal game management and mind numbing play calling have been nothing short of disastrous and directly led to at least two losses.

On Sunday, Shurmur actually began his press conference by saying "some people are fond of talented people, some people are fond of smart people, Iím fond of tough, resilient people," as though these are mutually exclusive attributes. He actually articulated in an unaided statement that he likes tough and resilient clods who lack intelligence? This of course is silly and not what he really meant, but if this is how he clumsily presents ideas to the media, then how does he express ideas to the players every day? Could any player be motivated by him? Would you be motivated in your job if he was your direct manager?

Shurmur was a mistake. Perhaps the worst mistake by Gettleman in his first year. And his likability makes him much more scary than the universally unlikable McAdoo's and Handley's of the world. While I acknowledge John Mara will never make a change after only one year, it is unfortunately only a matter of time before he realizes that a change is necessary to get back to playoff football in East Rutherford...

I am hopeful that John realizes this sooner rather than later. Actually, I am praying, pleading and downright begging... John, you are not only tough and resilient, but you are ALSO talented and smart. There is no shame in fast failure - it is in fact the essence of righting the ship as quickly as possible...


Are you serious?? I hope this is tongue in cheek...and I am just too slow to get it.
Oh spare us your outrage  
HomerJones45 : 12/5/2018 11:03 am : link
You all think Shurmur is Lombardi now? A week ago, he was the dumbest fuck on the planet and now you all go ballistic over some Captain Obvious who wrote and article because of an overtime win against the sleepwalking Bears and their second string qb who had thrown a grand total of 110 passes over a 9 year career prior to Sunday. Say thank you to the fact that Trubisky was hurt and wasn't running for 10 yards a pop against us instead of taking 5 sacks.

I assure you after the next loss you will all think once again that Shurmur is the run-of-the-mill former coordinator he is.
Shurmur sucks so far...  
trueblueinpw : 12/5/2018 11:41 am : link
His team didnít quit after starting 1-7? Is that really something to hang our hats on? The problem is that his team started 1-7. The season was over after 8 games. In the decidedly mediocre NFC East this season is an unmitigated failure by any measure.

Shurmur was horrible as the HC in Cleveland. Heís been horrible here in NY. But the team high fives him after a TD, and they havenít quit on him, so okay, thereís that. But thatís not enough and probably shouldnít be enough to get a 2nd season. This team has been bad and thereís been more than a few instances of Shurmur looking like he doesnít know what heís doing.

And yeah, that article looks like it was written by a young kid. (News flash: sports writers just starting out arenít often yet good writers). But, like the poster above, I agree the thrust of the article is pretty spot on.
oops  
ColHowPepper : 12/5/2018 11:46 am : link
there goes HomerJones45 again, never give up carrying the torch for Tom, and I say this in the belief that it's too early to assess what the Giants have in Shurmur, for many reasons.

Tom was a great coach of and representative for the franchise in his years here, and the Giants did not handle his departure well. But his time on the sideline had come to an end, Homer, too many failures in clock management (sound familiar?), challenge flags, and inability/refusal to address player issues, notably OBJ's WWW s..t show with Norman. And, yes, he, like McAdoo and Shurmur had to deal with the s..t show of a roster.
Most of these bloggers are losers living in Mamaís basement with no  
Ivan15 : 12/5/2018 12:25 pm : link
Insider access. Just looking for clicks. Only the guys who work for a credible sports outlet and use their blog for breaking news carry any kind of weight with me.
Jesus Christ  
Photoguy : 12/5/2018 1:44 pm : link
on a moped. What a hatchet job.
I don't see the problem with a throwaway article  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2018 2:10 pm : link
It's somebody writing a piece on WFAN.com. Who cares?

It's the same as someone going on a rant about Shurmur here.
RE: I don't see the problem with a throwaway article  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14206692 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It's somebody writing a piece on WFAN.com. Who cares?

It's the same as someone going on a rant about Shurmur here.


A column by an employee paid by CBS Sports, appearing on the website of the flagship station of the NY Giants, is the same as an anonymous fan venting on a chat forum of a fan site? Really?
RE: RE: I don't see the problem with a throwaway article  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2018 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14206710 Chris in Philly said:
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It's somebody writing a piece on WFAN.com. Who cares?

It's the same as someone going on a rant about Shurmur here.



A column by an employee paid by CBS Sports, appearing on the website of the flagship station of the NY Giants, is the same as an anonymous fan venting on a chat forum of a fan site? Really?


I don't know how much internet-based media you consume on a daily basis, but just because someone can get an article published on a web site doesn't mean they're credible. There's plenty of junk media out there.

Think of the mindless things people who are on live radio for the "flagship station of the NY Giants" say on a daily basis.


RE: RE: RE: I don't see the problem with a throwaway article  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2018 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14206800 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14206692 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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It's somebody writing a piece on WFAN.com. Who cares?

It's the same as someone going on a rant about Shurmur here.



A column by an employee paid by CBS Sports, appearing on the website of the flagship station of the NY Giants, is the same as an anonymous fan venting on a chat forum of a fan site? Really?



I don't know how much internet-based media you consume on a daily basis, but just because someone can get an article published on a web site doesn't mean they're credible. There's plenty of junk media out there.

Think of the mindless things people who are on live radio for the "flagship station of the NY Giants" say on a daily basis.



I didn't say it was a credible opinion - I think it's pure garbage. But it is categorically different when someone is paid to create content...
RE: RE: I don't see the problem with a throwaway article  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14206710 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 14206692 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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It's somebody writing a piece on WFAN.com. Who cares?

It's the same as someone going on a rant about Shurmur here.



A column by an employee paid by CBS Sports, appearing on the website of the flagship station of the NY Giants, is the same as an anonymous fan venting on a chat forum of a fan site? Really?


Do the Giants own WFAN? The Giants shouldn't be in the business of trying to say what the media can and cannot say.

That being said the article is dumb and off base.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't see the problem with a throwaway article  
ron mexico : 12/5/2018 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14206840 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 14206692 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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It's somebody writing a piece on WFAN.com. Who cares?

It's the same as someone going on a rant about Shurmur here.



A column by an employee paid by CBS Sports, appearing on the website of the flagship station of the NY Giants, is the same as an anonymous fan venting on a chat forum of a fan site? Really?



I don't know how much internet-based media you consume on a daily basis, but just because someone can get an article published on a web site doesn't mean they're credible. There's plenty of junk media out there.

Think of the mindless things people who are on live radio for the "flagship station of the NY Giants" say on a daily basis.





I didn't say it was a credible opinion - I think it's pure garbage. But it is categorically different when someone is paid to create content...


If it matters, I doubt he gets paid very much if at all.
RE: RE: RE: I don't see the problem with a throwaway article  
Chris in Philly : 12/5/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14206845 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14206692 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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It's somebody writing a piece on WFAN.com. Who cares?

It's the same as someone going on a rant about Shurmur here.



A column by an employee paid by CBS Sports, appearing on the website of the flagship station of the NY Giants, is the same as an anonymous fan venting on a chat forum of a fan site? Really?



Do the Giants own WFAN? The Giants shouldn't be in the business of trying to say what the media can and cannot say.

That being said the article is dumb and off base.


Yeah, I didn't say that they should do that. So...
Murmur is a good coach  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/5/2018 10:31 pm : link
but he makes terrible game decisions, I hope he can self scout in the off-season

this article looked like it was written by a vindictive high schooler
I think the reality of all this is  
cjac : 12/6/2018 8:03 am : link
that Shurmur is actually turning this thing around. (the exact opposite of what the article suggests)

for the first time since 2016 i feel positive about the franchise. This article is about a year too late, last year the team quit on McAdoo.

I actually think Shurmur's only issues at this point is one or two bad calls during the course of the game (throwing the ball at the 30 yard line and taking the sack)

But outside of that, he certainly hasnt lost the team.
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