Hal Hunter to Solder: "You're on your own, big boy."

Basically saying they trust him to live up to his contract, position, and job. And he did a great job against Kalil Mack, sounds like the motivation worked.

we preach working and playing together but your paying Solder all this money, he has to earn it.

We have a poor offensive line and Wheeler needs more help sometimes, that is how I am taking it.

and it was going to be a long day for Solder if he couldn't hold up on his own.

Not that I'm a huge fan of Hunter's, but not sure what there is to see here besides Geoff Schwartz trying to self promote himself again.

so that things like stunts get handled or even so individual assignments are understood by all. But once the snap is made, the assignments are often 1v1, especially for the OTs. And that's what this is referring to (IMO). They're not going to chip Solder's man or double him largely because others on the OL (Pulley/Wheeler) need help more.

I am not saying WTF with this OL for a month’s stretch of time. The ol is far from a finished product but dare I say it’s not terrible anymore? Amazing what 1-2 stabilizing influences can do for aunitnof five. Solder has played well since the bye and the rookie has been steadily improving.

I feel like like the OL is one good to great player away from stability assuming the depth is retained going into 2019.

You'll always have someone 1on1 in Pass pro (unless the D only rushes 3). All it means is that the coaches believe they need the help somewhere else and trust him to be on his own in pass pro (as he should be considering his contract).

This doesn't say anything about the teamwork along the line or in the run game.

Hernandez continues to improve, and Brown was a nice addition. We may finally have some semblance of an OL to build around

truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year.

And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic

In comment 14206536 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year. And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic

What exactly has DG fucked up? Stewart? Didn’t like the signing, but understood his reasons. Solder? we needed an OLT desperately. The money was ridiculous, but that’s today’s NFL economics.

Omameh? Yes. Ogletree? Loved the trade, and gets too much shit, imo. Looks like a very good draft, but time will tell..He turned over 60% of the roster.

He’s the only GM in the NFL who has made a mistake or two

if we improve at C and RT in the offseason and keep the other three intact, our OL will no longer be a weakness.

It doesn't mean that he can stop working with the rest of the line after the play is called. Or that he no longer will have double team blocks or have to execute as part of a team or develop chemistry with other players.

In comment 14206536 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year. And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic

I'm in the minority that liked the DG hiring, but he deserves all the sh!t he's gotten for the Stewart, Omameh and even Martin signings.

Solder was a definite overpay, even with Solder's improved play the last few games, but they were pretty desperate thanks to Reese's OL failures.

how Solder did a good job against Mack without help. It was a good article showing in words and video how he played him.

Also was pretty clear that Solder forced him back which allowed Eli to step up into the pocket. The problem earlier in the year was that there was no place to step up into with the center/right guard play falling regularly for stunts.

The point was that they had to help the RT and slid the extra protection in that direction.

Is what fans as a whole do. Even when proven wrong it will not prevent them from doing it the very next chance they get.

Too many, the book is already out on Shurmur, he stinks. Yet his 1-7 team is now 4-8 and looking better.

Fans have always been unduly influence by the last thing they ve seen and they always will be.

Game threads are perfect example. It s why fans while fun to engage should,never be taken too seriously

We have a penchant for stating our opinions as facts and the facts change as we change our opinions.

The top need is center IMO. Ideally they will sign a good center in free agency and then draft a RT in the draft to compete with Wheeler. A good center can have a major impact on the performance of an offensive line. With the season winding down I would like to see Evan Brown be given a chance because Pulley is clearly not the answer.

In comment 14206620 joeinpa said:

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Is what fans as a whole do. Even when proven wrong it will not prevent them from doing it the very next chance they get. Too many, the book is already out on Shurmur, he stinks. Yet his 1-7 team is now 4-8 and looking better. Fans have always been unduly influence by the last thing they ve seen and they always will be. Game threads are perfect example. It s why fans while fun to engage should,never be taken too seriously We have a penchant for stating our opinions as facts and the facts change as we change our opinions.

There's some truth in what you're saying, but it's perfectly reasonable to be on the fence about Shurmur. He's not some young rookie learning the ropes. He's 14-31 for his coaching career and there's plenty of in-game moves to second-guess.

And their record isn't an indicator of much. It's plain as day that they've gotten fat off some really bad teams, but the optimist can choose to see it any way they want. I'm sure there are people who think winning against Chicago is some sort of statement win, but for me it's the same as beating Denver last year. They got some good breaks, and Chicago didn't have their starter in at QB.

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In comment 14206620 joeinpa said: Quote: Is what fans as a whole do. Even when proven wrong it will not prevent them from doing it the very next chance they get. Too many, the book is already out on Shurmur, he stinks. Yet his 1-7 team is now 4-8 and looking better. Fans have always been unduly influence by the last thing they ve seen and they always will be. Game threads are perfect example. It s why fans while fun to engage should,never be taken too seriously We have a penchant for stating our opinions as facts and the facts change as we change our opinions. There's some truth in what you're saying, but it's perfectly reasonable to be on the fence about Shurmur. He's not some young rookie learning the ropes. He's 14-31 for his coaching career and there's plenty of in-game moves to second-guess. And their record isn't an indicator of much. It's plain as day that they've gotten fat off some really bad teams, but the optimist can choose to see it any way they want. I'm sure there are people who think winning against Chicago is some sort of statement win, but for me it's the same as beating Denver last year. They got some good breaks, and Chicago didn't have their starter in at QB.

Belichick Cleveland record including 1st year in NE the year before Brady took over 43-55

All valid points

I m undecided about Shurmur. But not convinced he s a bust

You can’t just look at numbers without looking at context. Look at the records of the Brown’s coaches before and after Shurmur. He actually did well there considering the lack of talent he had to work with. I’m not sold on him either but his overall record is not the reason. We should know by the end of 2019.

In comment 14206536 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year. And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic

Lol - Even Gettleman realized Gettleman made some serious errors and cut 2/5 of the opening day starters mid-season. Not to mention moving a very decent back-up center, and having to rely on the incomparible Spencer Pulley.

I genuinely give him credit for cutting his losses and seeking better players, but that churn and burn approach is not without consequences to the cap with dead money or the continuity and evaluation of the team.

Gettleman deserves plenty of flack for Omameh and Flowers, and no one who thought those were dead ends looks foolish.

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truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year. And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic

yup