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Hal Hunter to Solder: "You're on your own, big boy."

gidiefor : Mod : 12/5/2018 11:22 am
Dan Duggan just tweeted this - promoting a film review session with Geoff Schwartz in the Atlantic -- and I'm scratching my head over it. Haven't we been preached to - relentlessly for years now - that an Offensive line has to work & gel together? WTF?

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Dan Duggan @DDuggan21

OL coach Hal Hunter said last week that their approach with Nate Solder is "You're on your own, big boy." That was the case against Khalil Mack on Sunday and Solder was up to the challenge. ...

link to tweet - ( New Window )
It sounds like a challenge....  
Britt in VA : 12/5/2018 11:26 am : link
Basically saying they trust him to live up to his contract, position, and job. And he did a great job against Kalil Mack, sounds like the motivation worked.
Yeah  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/5/2018 11:27 am : link
we preach working and playing together but your paying Solder all this money, he has to earn it.

We have a poor offensive line and Wheeler needs more help sometimes, that is how I am taking it.
He meant the help from TEs was going to Wheeler  
jcn56 : 12/5/2018 11:38 am : link
and it was going to be a long day for Solder if he couldn't hold up on his own.

Not that I'm a huge fan of Hunter's, but not sure what there is to see here besides Geoff Schwartz trying to self promote himself again.
they need to gel and communicate  
giants#1 : 12/5/2018 11:40 am : link
so that things like stunts get handled or even so individual assignments are understood by all. But once the snap is made, the assignments are often 1v1, especially for the OTs. And that's what this is referring to (IMO). They're not going to chip Solder's man or double him largely because others on the OL (Pulley/Wheeler) need help more.
For the first time in years  
djm : 12/5/2018 11:42 am : link
I am not saying WTF with this OL for a monthís stretch of time. The ol is far from a finished product but dare I say itís not terrible anymore? Amazing what 1-2 stabilizing influences can do for aunitnof five. Solder has played well since the bye and the rookie has been steadily improving.

I feel like like the OL is one good to great player away from stability assuming the depth is retained going into 2019.
Translation  
El Pollo Diablo : 12/5/2018 11:43 am : link
You'll always have someone 1on1 in Pass pro (unless the D only rushes 3). All it means is that the coaches believe they need the help somewhere else and trust him to be on his own in pass pro (as he should be considering his contract).

This doesn't say anything about the teamwork along the line or in the run game.
Solder is coming around  
Kyle in NY : 12/5/2018 11:44 am : link
Hernandez continues to improve, and Brown was a nice addition. We may finally have some semblance of an OL to build around
If the OL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/5/2018 11:47 am : link
truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year.

And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic
RE: If the OL..  
Big Blue '56 : 12/5/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 14206536 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year.

And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic


What exactly has DG fucked up? Stewart? Didnít like the signing, but understood his reasons. Solder? we needed an OLT desperately. The money was ridiculous, but thatís todayís NFL economics.

Omameh? Yes. Ogletree? Loved the trade, and gets too much shit, imo. Looks like a very good draft, but time will tell..He turned over 60% of the roster.

Heís the only GM in the NFL who has made a mistake or two
At minimum  
lawguy9801 : 12/5/2018 11:56 am : link
if we improve at C and RT in the offseason and keep the other three intact, our OL will no longer be a weakness.
What it means is that he shouldn't expect help  
since1925 : 12/5/2018 12:04 pm : link
It doesn't mean that he can stop working with the rest of the line after the play is called. Or that he no longer will have double team blocks or have to execute as part of a team or develop chemistry with other players.

RE: If the OL..  
giants#1 : 12/5/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14206536 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year.

And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic


I'm in the minority that liked the DG hiring, but he deserves all the sh!t he's gotten for the Stewart, Omameh and even Martin signings.

Solder was a definite overpay, even with Solder's improved play the last few games, but they were pretty desperate thanks to Reese's OL failures.
The article details  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/5/2018 12:06 pm : link
how Solder did a good job against Mack without help. It was a good article showing in words and video how he played him.

Also was pretty clear that Solder forced him back which allowed Eli to step up into the pocket. The problem earlier in the year was that there was no place to step up into with the center/right guard play falling regularly for stunts.

The point was that they had to help the RT and slid the extra protection in that direction.
Judging things too early  
joeinpa : 12/5/2018 12:55 pm : link
Is what fans as a whole do. Even when proven wrong it will not prevent them from doing it the very next chance they get.

Too many, the book is already out on Shurmur, he stinks. Yet his 1-7 team is now 4-8 and looking better.

Fans have always been unduly influence by the last thing they ve seen and they always will be.

Game threads are perfect example. It s why fans while fun to engage should,never be taken too seriously

We have a penchant for stating our opinions as facts and the facts change as we change our opinions.
On offense  
Jay on the Island : 12/5/2018 1:16 pm : link
The top need is center IMO. Ideally they will sign a good center in free agency and then draft a RT in the draft to compete with Wheeler. A good center can have a major impact on the performance of an offensive line. With the season winding down I would like to see Evan Brown be given a chance because Pulley is clearly not the answer.
RE: Judging things too early  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2018 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14206620 joeinpa said:
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Is what fans as a whole do. Even when proven wrong it will not prevent them from doing it the very next chance they get.

Too many, the book is already out on Shurmur, he stinks. Yet his 1-7 team is now 4-8 and looking better.

Fans have always been unduly influence by the last thing they ve seen and they always will be.

Game threads are perfect example. It s why fans while fun to engage should,never be taken too seriously

We have a penchant for stating our opinions as facts and the facts change as we change our opinions.


There's some truth in what you're saying, but it's perfectly reasonable to be on the fence about Shurmur. He's not some young rookie learning the ropes. He's 14-31 for his coaching career and there's plenty of in-game moves to second-guess.

And their record isn't an indicator of much. It's plain as day that they've gotten fat off some really bad teams, but the optimist can choose to see it any way they want. I'm sure there are people who think winning against Chicago is some sort of statement win, but for me it's the same as beating Denver last year. They got some good breaks, and Chicago didn't have their starter in at QB.
RE: RE: Judging things too early  
Big Blue '56 : 12/5/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14206706 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14206620 joeinpa said:


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Is what fans as a whole do. Even when proven wrong it will not prevent them from doing it the very next chance they get.

Too many, the book is already out on Shurmur, he stinks. Yet his 1-7 team is now 4-8 and looking better.

Fans have always been unduly influence by the last thing they ve seen and they always will be.

Game threads are perfect example. It s why fans while fun to engage should,never be taken too seriously

We have a penchant for stating our opinions as facts and the facts change as we change our opinions.



There's some truth in what you're saying, but it's perfectly reasonable to be on the fence about Shurmur. He's not some young rookie learning the ropes. He's 14-31 for his coaching career and there's plenty of in-game moves to second-guess.

And their record isn't an indicator of much. It's plain as day that they've gotten fat off some really bad teams, but the optimist can choose to see it any way they want. I'm sure there are people who think winning against Chicago is some sort of statement win, but for me it's the same as beating Denver last year. They got some good breaks, and Chicago didn't have their starter in at QB.


Belichick Cleveland record including 1st year in NE the year before Brady took over 43-55
Ten ton  
joeinpa : 12/5/2018 4:49 pm : link
All valid points

I m undecided about Shurmur. But not convinced he s a bust
TTH enough with the record crap.  
Dave on the UWS : 12/5/2018 6:41 pm : link
You canít just look at numbers without looking at context. Look at the records of the Brownís coaches before and after Shurmur. He actually did well there considering the lack of talent he had to work with. Iím not sold on him either but his overall record is not the reason. We should know by the end of 2019.
RE: If the OL..  
christian : 12/5/2018 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14206536 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year.

And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic


Lol - Even Gettleman realized Gettleman made some serious errors and cut 2/5 of the opening day starters mid-season. Not to mention moving a very decent back-up center, and having to rely on the incomparible Spencer Pulley.

I genuinely give him credit for cutting his losses and seeking better players, but that churn and burn approach is not without consequences to the cap with dead money or the continuity and evaluation of the team.

Gettleman deserves plenty of flack for Omameh and Flowers, and no one who thought those were dead ends looks foolish.
RE: If the OL..  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/6/2018 6:31 am : link
In comment 14206536 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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truly does come together next year, a lot of people will look really foolish in the way they've destroyed Gettleman this year.

And another realization that judging things way too soon is moronic
yup
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