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DanMetroMan : 12/5/2018 2:30 pm
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David Fizdale says even with Burke out indefinitely he doesnít know when Frank will be back in the regular rotation, says he wants to give Courtney Lee more playing time first.
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RE: Apparently Frank was a little snippy (by his standards) with the media  
Anakim : 12/5/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14206883 bceagle05 said:
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I'm sure today's news didn't sit too well with him. I have a feeling Frank and Dotson believe being drafted by Phil puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to these rotations. There's no legitimate explanation for Hezonja starting over Dotson, for example. I could see them both being a little paranoid about it.


It does. Kind of like how Gettleman jettisoned most of the Reese players.
A lot of smoke surrounding Frank recently.  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2018 4:56 pm : link
Berman's recent hit piece (which nailed Knox, too), that Ringer podcast where the Memphis reporter said the Knicks were "out" on Frank, his current exile from the rotation, and now persistent trade rumors. I think his days are indeed numbered. I'm fine with it, as long as they don't just give him away.
Sometimes noise is just noise.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/5/2018 5:01 pm : link
Drama is the NBA's biggest product. For me, when there are a lot of 'rumours' floating around the Knicks, that's usually a sign that it's made up BS.

I'm not of the opinion that a lot of stuff leaks from there.
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RE: Sometimes noise is just noise.  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14206902 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Drama is the NBA's biggest product. For me, when there are a lot of 'rumours' floating around the Knicks, that's usually a sign that it's made up BS.

I'm not of the opinion that a lot of stuff leaks from there.


ian begely is usually pretty reliable when it comes to the knicks, my guess someone from the knicks is leaking thia to try and drum up interest
Plus trier needs to be signed  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 5:25 pm : link
soon, like the next few days soon
IF your a team that isnt worried about..  
Italianju : 12/5/2018 5:25 pm : link
the cap then Wall makes a lot of sense. I think people on this board are selling him short. He is a bad fit with Beal and rumor is they do not get along at all which i doubt helps. They also have never got them a descent big. Its all Wall/Beal on the perimeter. Sure he is getting a bit older, but he should still be fine for the rest of his contract. Someone mentioned a team like DET and that makes a ton of sense.

THe Lakers dont really make sense because they still should be saving cap space. I cant imagine the Wiz can turn wall into Ball and either Kuzma or Ingram, but if they could that would be an amazing trade. Ball is a much better fit with Beal. Kuzma and Ingram looked to be on their way to being great nba players and im sure there lack of numbers has a lot more to do with Lebron being there then a regression.
RE: Plus trier needs to be signed  
adamg : 12/5/2018 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14206924 nygiants16 said:
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soon, like the next few days soon
Pretty sure the deadline is today. He'll need to be sent down tomorrow I think.
RE: RE: Plus trier needs to be signed  
Anakim : 12/5/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14206926 adamg said:
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soon, like the next few days soon

Pretty sure the deadline is today. He'll need to be sent down tomorrow I think.


Then another team is free to sign him, no?


Just cut Kornet or Baker and get it over with.
If the Knicks trade these guys  
ghost718 : 12/5/2018 5:29 pm : link
I'd have to support Ticket Barbecues,James Dolan Pinata's,and Anti Banana Disguises worn at games
RE: RE: RE: Plus trier needs to be signed  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14206929 Anakim said:
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soon, like the next few days soon

Pretty sure the deadline is today. He'll need to be sent down tomorrow I think.



Then another team is free to sign him, no?


Just cut Kornet or Baker and get it over with.


no he will have to be sent down, i am sure the knicks would prefer to make a trade rather than eat a contract...

if you can trade frank for a pick and then sign trier it saves you money for next off season
and they are not trading dotson  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 5:32 pm : link
this is a berman special, a young player starts to play well and then he writes an article saying knicks are going to trade him for an overpaid player...

He knows it will garner clicks and rile up knicks fans
RE: RE: RE: RE: Plus trier needs to be signed  
Anakim : 12/5/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14206933 nygiants16 said:
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soon, like the next few days soon

Pretty sure the deadline is today. He'll need to be sent down tomorrow I think.



Then another team is free to sign him, no?


Just cut Kornet or Baker and get it over with.



no he will have to be sent down, i am sure the knicks would prefer to make a trade rather than eat a contract...

if you can trade frank for a pick and then sign trier it saves you money for next off season


Ah, gotcha


Just fucking cut Baker or Kornet. They're useless anyway
Forgot Wall has a 15% trade kicker  
Oscar : 12/5/2018 6:22 pm : link
He is basically untradeable. It would take an insanely desperate team to make that move.
my prediction  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 6:50 pm : link
Knicks trade frank and lee for ariza and bucks 1st..

flip ariza, bucks 1st along with hardaway for wall...

Knicks make trade because they think wall, knox, kp and this years pick can attract durant..
wizards  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 6:52 pm : link
give the reigns to beal who wants the ball in his hands..

they add a proven 3 and d guy in ariza whp is an expiring contract..

get out of wall's contract and a future 1st
Why would a team be willing too take on Lee's contract  
JustaDiscussion : 12/5/2018 6:58 pm : link
and also give a 1st for Frank?
RE: Why would a team be willing too take on Lee's contract  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14207002 JustaDiscussion said:
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and also give a 1st for Frank?


because frank still has value across the league
Murmurs starting  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 7:29 pm : link
that kawhi has new york on his mind..
RE: my prediction  
Earl the goat : 12/5/2018 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14206998 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks trade frank and lee for ariza and bucks 1st..

flip ariza, bucks 1st along with hardaway for wall...

Knicks make trade because they think wall, knox, kp and this years pick can attract durant..


Wall wonít mix well with the young guys
His contract is horrendous and he gets hurt
He would kill the Knicks just like Melo did
RE: Murmurs starting  
adamg : 12/5/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14207027 nygiants16 said:
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that kawhi has new york on his mind..


Can we move Hardaway without attaching picks?
RE: RE: Murmurs starting  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 7:48 pm : link
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that kawhi has new york on his mind..



Can we move Hardaway without attaching picks?


highly doubtful
RE: RE: RE: Murmurs starting  
adamg : 12/5/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14207035 nygiants16 said:
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that kawhi has new york on his mind..



Can we move Hardaway without attaching picks?



highly doubtful


Would a top 10 protected 2020 first do it?
Wall  
TyreeHelmet : 12/5/2018 8:13 pm : link
I donít think people realize how bad his contract is and will be. Iím a fan of wall- an elite passer. But you cannot trade for that contract with the Knicks current situation. He eats up close to half your cap....

Trading Frank right now would be nuts. Just look how many teams are interested. That should tell you to keep him.
Alan Hahn completely dismissed the Wall rumors.  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2018 9:04 pm : link
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he also talked a lot about durant to new york  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 9:17 pm : link
stephen a claims he would choose knicks over lakers at this moment but said it goes back and forth..

also i dont know what it means but he basically threw cold water onto the rumors of him to lakers but qhen haybes comes out and says the knicks are a viable option nothing from kd. In fact he gives haybes an exclusive...

interesting...
OKC beats the Nets.  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2018 10:08 pm : link
They were down 20+ in the third quarter.
nets just blew 23 point lead  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 10:08 pm : link
when does the whole culture thing go away for the nets?
I'll have to listen to Hahn's podcast later.  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2018 10:09 pm : link
Just saw him reference the Wall stuff on Twitter.
what's the word on Trier?  
Del Shofner : 12/5/2018 10:11 pm : link
Today was the day. Haven't seen anything announced.
RE: Murmurs starting  
djm : 12/5/2018 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14207027 nygiants16 said:
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that kawhi has new york on his mind..


Iím praying for this. This guy is an absolute beast on both ends of the floor. Little younger than Durant too. Kawhi is number one on my list.
RE: Murmurs starting  
Jon in NYC : 12/5/2018 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14207027 nygiants16 said:
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that kawhi has new york on his mind..


From where?
RE: RE: Murmurs starting  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2018 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14207133 Jon in NYC said:
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that kawhi has new york on his mind..



From where?


hahn mentioned him, and chris sheridan keeps saying kawhi is the guy going to new york...

i personally think no one is coming
Feel a lot better after listening to Hahn, as usual.  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2018 10:27 am : link
Wall stuff is complete nonsense - trades of that significance will only be explored after the smoke clears on free agency (if the Knicks strike out). That's the proper course of action.

Hahn agrees KD isn't leaving Golden State to join another superteam - KD and his people know one championship at the Garden raises his status in the game to all-time great levels, but the Knicks have to do their part and show some signs of life with these young players.
RE: what's the word on Trier?  
Anakim : 12/6/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 14207122 Del Shofner said:
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Today was the day. Haven't seen anything announced.



Good point. Nothing was announced.
Lakers  
TyreeHelmet : 12/6/2018 10:42 am : link
Look really good. Lebron is just unbelievable. The team is 15-9 and he's playing out of his mind. And it's not like the young guys have made any big jumps.

It was never clear if it was possible, but if it was, the Lakers screwed up big time not trading Ingram for Leonard. I know he's still young, but I just don't see him becoming an all star player.

I wish Lebron got another chance against this warriors team with a squad that had a chance. 2016 was really the only year teams were close in talent....
I think  
Steve in Greenwich : 12/6/2018 10:44 am : link
the real deadline is essentially tonight's game. If they didn't add him to the active roster yesterday all that means is he reverts back to the d-league today, so they will have to call him up before tonight's game making today really the deadline if they want to get him active today.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2018 10:50 am : link
Where is this Kawhi to NY talk coming from? I haven't seen or heard that anywhere.
random hypothetical:  
Enzo : 12/6/2018 11:00 am : link
you can either get Zion or KD this summer (on a 2+1 deal). Who do you choose?
RE: Lakers  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/6/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 14207359 TyreeHelmet said:
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I wish Lebron got another chance against this warriors team with a squad that had a chance. 2016 was really the only year teams were close in talent....


Not true. Cavs would have beaten them in 2015 during the pre-KD era with a healthy Kyrie and Love. IMO.
RE: random hypothetical:  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 14207374 Enzo said:
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you can either get Zion or KD this summer (on a 2+1 deal). Who do you choose?


KD.
RE: random hypothetical:  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/6/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 14207374 Enzo said:
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you can either get Zion or KD this summer (on a 2+1 deal). Who do you choose?


KD
Not that I'm against KD coming here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2018 11:07 am : link
but he certainly doesn't need to win here to be elevated to all-time great status. He'll be in the hall of fame as it is, and if Lebron doesn't exist, we're talking about KD as the best player in the NBA right now.
RE: nets just blew 23 point lead  
hitdog42 : 12/6/2018 11:09 am : link
In comment 14207119 nygiants16 said:
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when does the whole culture thing go away for the nets?


why would it-- you lose your closer, then you cant close.... what does that have to do with culture? has to do with talent which is still a work in progress when the best player is out and another start been out for a bit.
you sound like Bondy
I wouldn't be surprised  
JustaDiscussion : 12/6/2018 11:29 am : link
if the Knicks are unable to find trade partners for the players that they are willing to trade at this point in time. In my opinion, players like Lee and THjr are good but their contracts make them a net negative. I would assume that other teams are asking the Knicks to attach picks which they are likely unwilling to do. Of course this is all just wild speculation.

If it's true though and assuming that the Knicks don't want to cut anybody, maybe for depth in case of injury, I wouldn't mind if Trier had to go down to the G-League for the moment. Knicks still have the rest of the season to figure out a way to sign him and it should force Frank back into the rotation.
The wall thing always seemed like nonsense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2018 11:56 am : link
First, his contract is toxic waste. Second, he looks like a guy who has mentally checked out of any focus on his career. And the complete unraveling of his team has to fall on him as the franchise player.

Why would that be a thing to trade for?
RE: RE: Lakers  
TyreeHelmet : 12/6/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14207375 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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I wish Lebron got another chance against this warriors team with a squad that had a chance. 2016 was really the only year teams were close in talent....



Not true. Cavs would have beaten them in 2015 during the pre-KD era with a healthy Kyrie and Love. IMO.


My point exactly. In 2015 the Cavs were missing Irving and Love and therefore not close in talent.
In non-Knicks news,  
Anakim : 12/6/2018 2:49 pm : link
Vernon Carey Jr. committed to Duke...and I feel old. I remember Vernon Carey Sr. as an OT at the U. He was in the same draft class as Eli!!!
Berman is such a dope.  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2018 3:50 pm : link
His story today has the Knicks record at 7-18, rather than 8-17. As a pro-tanker, I take great offense to such things.
Clarence Gaines really hates Hezonja.  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2018 4:01 pm : link
Openly mocking Fizdale's comments about Hezonja's "improved defense" on Twitter.
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