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NFT: Netflix Documentary Recommendation- "The Staircase"

BestFeature : 12/5/2018 10:30 pm
It was recommended in my Making a Murderer Facebook group and for fans of true crime I don't think it's any worse than MaM. It was really good. It's about the murder case of the novelist Michael Peterson.
It was solid  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2018 10:36 pm : link
and I gave up on season two of MaM, thought it stunk. Should have been 4 episodes, so much filler and fabricated drama.
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BestFeature : 12/5/2018 10:45 pm : link
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and I gave up on season two of MaM, thought it stunk. Should have been 4 episodes, so much filler and fabricated drama.


I agree on the filler, I think they really wanted another 10 part series. That said I still thought it was really good.
Saw it years ago when it first came out  
BillT : 12/5/2018 10:49 pm : link
They leave out some important details but it was pretty interesting.
It's weird  
BestFeature : 12/5/2018 10:55 pm : link
I had such a hard time getting into it at first because I got so used to MaM and had change course. I find it that my perception of a show is different in the beginning of a series than it is later. I wonder how I'd feel about the first few episodes if I rewatched them now.

Also, one really sad thing about criminal justice is that I think most people are presumed guilty by the jury despite that not being the way it's supposed to work. When I heard about the case, in the beginning, I figured he was guilty and I'm sure I wasn't the only one. I think it's always an uphill battle.
RE: Saw it years ago when it first came out  
BestFeature : 12/5/2018 10:56 pm : link
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They leave out some important details but it was pretty interesting.


Also, how many episodes were there when you watched it? They definitely added episodes because they have footage from as recent as 2017. You may want to finish watching it.
Some good, some meh  
5BowlsSoon : 12/5/2018 11:23 pm : link
Slanted too...it had an agenda.
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BestFeature : 12/5/2018 11:25 pm : link
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Slanted too...it had an agenda.


I thought that in the beginning, it had less of an agenda. I legit thought to myself how it was different from MaM which CLEARLY has an agenda throughout. But as time went on there was more of an agenda. That said it seems like the evidence pointed the direction of the agenda. Also, all of these usually do. An "on the fence" documentary won't elicit the same emotion.
For some reason this wasn't included in the series  
BestFeature : 12/5/2018 11:27 pm : link
But it's interesting. I first thought it was silly, but the more I listened the more I was convinced that it had some plausibility.
The Owl Theory - ( New Window )
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5BowlsSoon : 12/6/2018 8:20 am : link
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Slanted too...it had an agenda.



I thought that in the beginning, it had less of an agenda. I legit thought to myself how it was different from MaM which CLEARLY has an agenda throughout. But as time went on there was more of an agenda. That said it seems like the evidence pointed the direction of the agenda. Also, all of these usually do. An "on the fence" documentary won't elicit the same emotion.


I later found out the defendant was dating/banging someone involved (director or producer I believe) in the filming of this show.
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BestFeature : 12/6/2018 10:07 am : link
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Slanted too...it had an agenda.



I thought that in the beginning, it had less of an agenda. I legit thought to myself how it was different from MaM which CLEARLY has an agenda throughout. But as time went on there was more of an agenda. That said it seems like the evidence pointed the direction of the agenda. Also, all of these usually do. An "on the fence" documentary won't elicit the same emotion.



I later found out the defendant was dating/banging someone involved (director or producer I believe) in the filming of this show.


Are you referring to the lawyer marrying a reporter? Or literally, Michael Peterson dating someone involved in this show?
I liked it  
Dnew15 : 12/6/2018 10:56 am : link
would recommend.
I would love to have the time to fact check that whole thing. What a strange story.
Owl theory on the death  
elisha2014 : 12/6/2018 11:05 am : link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yTgcKhHqU
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5BowlsSoon : 12/6/2018 1:25 pm : link
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Slanted too...it had an agenda.



I thought that in the beginning, it had less of an agenda. I legit thought to myself how it was different from MaM which CLEARLY has an agenda throughout. But as time went on there was more of an agenda. That said it seems like the evidence pointed the direction of the agenda. Also, all of these usually do. An "on the fence" documentary won't elicit the same emotion.



I later found out the defendant was dating/banging someone involved (director or producer I believe) in the filming of this show.



Are you referring to the lawyer marrying a reporter? Or literally, Michael Peterson dating someone involved in this show?


Peterson getting it on with the director or producer or whatever she was. Big wig.
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BestFeature : 12/6/2018 1:38 pm : link
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Slanted too...it had an agenda.



I thought that in the beginning, it had less of an agenda. I legit thought to myself how it was different from MaM which CLEARLY has an agenda throughout. But as time went on there was more of an agenda. That said it seems like the evidence pointed the direction of the agenda. Also, all of these usually do. An "on the fence" documentary won't elicit the same emotion.



I later found out the defendant was dating/banging someone involved (director or producer I believe) in the filming of this show.



Are you referring to the lawyer marrying a reporter? Or literally, Michael Peterson dating someone involved in this show?



Peterson getting it on with the director or producer or whatever she was. Big wig.


Interesting, makes you question impartiality.
The problem with these shows  
Vanzetti : 12/6/2018 1:40 pm : link
is that they want to create a victim narrative to attrract an audience. So they leave out crucial details that contradict this narrative.


Steven Avery threw his cat into a fire when he was 18 and burned it to death. He is a sick fuck and guilty as hell

Amanda Knox is another version of Casey Anthony. Sick, twisted woman but she is American and pretty so she must be a victim of the "terrible" Italian justice system. Leaving aside that the people who make these claims know nothing about the Italian justice system.

And Jonbenet Ramsey's family is guilty. Probably the brother. But, no, it was a drifter who did it.

These shows pander to people's need to find "conspiracies."


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BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2018 1:45 pm : link
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Slanted too...it had an agenda.



I thought that in the beginning, it had less of an agenda. I legit thought to myself how it was different from MaM which CLEARLY has an agenda throughout. But as time went on there was more of an agenda. That said it seems like the evidence pointed the direction of the agenda. Also, all of these usually do. An "on the fence" documentary won't elicit the same emotion.



I later found out the defendant was dating/banging someone involved (director or producer I believe) in the filming of this show.



Are you referring to the lawyer marrying a reporter? Or literally, Michael Peterson dating someone involved in this show?



Peterson getting it on with the director or producer or whatever she was. Big wig.


It was the Editor, not sure if that really matters though.
RE: The problem with these shows  
elisha2014 : 12/6/2018 1:48 pm : link
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is that they want to create a victim narrative to attrract an audience. So they leave out crucial details that contradict this narrative.


Steven Avery threw his cat into a fire when he was 18 and burned it to death. He is a sick fuck and guilty as hell

Amanda Knox is another version of Casey Anthony. Sick, twisted woman but she is American and pretty so she must be a victim of the "terrible" Italian justice system. Leaving aside that the people who make these claims know nothing about the Italian justice system.

And Jonbenet Ramsey's family is guilty. Probably the brother. But, no, it was a drifter who did it.

These shows pander to people's need to find "conspiracies."




If you've watched both seasons of making a murderer and STILL think Avery is guilty you are CLUELESS
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I Love Clams Casino : 12/6/2018 2:11 pm : link
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is that they want to create a victim narrative to attrract an audience. So they leave out crucial details that contradict this narrative.


Steven Avery threw his cat into a fire when he was 18 and burned it to death. He is a sick fuck and guilty as hell

Amanda Knox is another version of Casey Anthony. Sick, twisted woman but she is American and pretty so she must be a victim of the "terrible" Italian justice system. Leaving aside that the people who make these claims know nothing about the Italian justice system.

And Jonbenet Ramsey's family is guilty. Probably the brother. But, no, it was a drifter who did it.

These shows pander to people's need to find "conspiracies."






If you've watched both seasons of making a murderer and STILL think Avery is guilty you are CLUELESS


SOMEBODY murdered that poor girl on that property.

Who was it?
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Giants in 07 : 12/6/2018 2:34 pm : link
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is that they want to create a victim narrative to attrract an audience. So they leave out crucial details that contradict this narrative.


Steven Avery threw his cat into a fire when he was 18 and burned it to death. He is a sick fuck and guilty as hell

Amanda Knox is another version of Casey Anthony. Sick, twisted woman but she is American and pretty so she must be a victim of the "terrible" Italian justice system. Leaving aside that the people who make these claims know nothing about the Italian justice system.

And Jonbenet Ramsey's family is guilty. Probably the brother. But, no, it was a drifter who did it.

These shows pander to people's need to find "conspiracies."






If you've watched both seasons of making a murderer and STILL think Avery is guilty you are CLUELESS



SOMEBODY murdered that poor girl on that property.

Who was it?


Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych, in my opinion. Season 2 of MaM was drawn out and longer than it needed to be, but in my mind it delivered answers to the questions I had leftover from Season 1.

The car being found on the property was something I couldn't wrap my head around and I thought they did a good job coming up with explanations for how that happened and possible motives as to why. Especially that we know for a fact now that Theresa's car left the Avery property after she met with Steven.

As for the staircase, as crazy as it sounds, I believe the Owl theory 100%. Owls are known to attack in that area and the scars on her head match perfectly to what some sort of attack like that would look like. They even found Owl Feathers in the wife's hair and in her hands! Also the hair that was found in her hands was found to be her own hair that had been pulled out of her head by herself, consistent with what would happen in the case of an Owl being on your head and you trying to tear him off Imagine having your families lives destroyed by an owl? Unbelievably crazy stuff.
Bobby Dassey  
elisha2014 : 12/6/2018 3:36 pm : link
100000% ran her down and did all the evil things Steven was accused of.

Eye witnesses claim to have seen Theresa leave the property after she met with Steven. Also Steven's account of the events has never wavered and if he were guilty and lying he would have slipped up at some point - he's not the brighest.

Bobby looks guilty as hell based on all the evidence that Zellner was able to dig up about his internet history, 10000s of images he downloaded with torture, murder etc.
RE: Bobby Dassey  
bradshaw44 : 12/6/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14207754 elisha2014 said:
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100000% ran her down and did all the evil things Steven was accused of.

Eye witnesses claim to have seen Theresa leave the property after she met with Steven. Also Steven's account of the events has never wavered and if he were guilty and lying he would have slipped up at some point - he's not the brighest.

Bobby looks guilty as hell based on all the evidence that Zellner was able to dig up about his internet history, 10000s of images he downloaded with torture, murder etc.



Yea they made a VERY strong case that it was Dassey and Tadych. They also shot holes through (no pun intended) the prosecutions case about her being shot in the garage. Not too mention the search dogs scent trail on to the other property and the witness that saw her car by the quarry where the dogs picked up the scent.
RE: The problem with these shows  
Rocky369 : 12/6/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14207639 Vanzetti said:
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...Amanda Knox is another version of Casey Anthony. Sick, twisted woman but she is American and pretty so she must be a victim of the "terrible" Italian justice system. Leaving aside that the people who make these claims know nothing about the Italian justice system.

I hadn't read any claims about this. Did she do something hellacious other than being into kink? Definitely nothing along the lines of killing her own baby, right?
RE: The problem with these shows  
BestFeature : 12/6/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14207639 Vanzetti said:
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is that they want to create a victim narrative to attrract an audience. So they leave out crucial details that contradict this narrative.


Steven Avery threw his cat into a fire when he was 18 and burned it to death. He is a sick fuck and guilty as hell

Amanda Knox is another version of Casey Anthony. Sick, twisted woman but she is American and pretty so she must be a victim of the "terrible" Italian justice system. Leaving aside that the people who make these claims know nothing about the Italian justice system.

And Jonbenet Ramsey's family is guilty. Probably the brother. But, no, it was a drifter who did it.

These shows pander to people's need to find "conspiracies."



While I agree with the first half of this, I think you're on the complete opposite end of the spectrum and seem to think that just because someone was convicted of a crime he/she is definitely guilty. Another extreme that does not reflect reality.
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