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NGT: Alex Smith’s career may be over

ajr2456 : 12/6/2018 11:01 am
Infection in his injured leg
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Hope not.  
Big Blue '56 : 12/6/2018 11:05 am : link
Pretty classy guy
horrible.... the kid is a class act.  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/6/2018 11:05 am : link
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Honestly, I assumed it was over the minute that injury happened  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2018 11:06 am : link
He's no spring chicken. It would take anyone a long time to even attempt to come back from that. Rich Seubert missed almost two seasons and he was only 24 when he broke his leg. Smith is 34.
Sucks but  
mrvax : 12/6/2018 11:08 am : link
he's no dope. He is thankfully more than set for life.
This will set them back  
Chip : 12/6/2018 11:09 am : link
36.6 mil in dead money. Would have to either June 1 release or keep him on the roster for a year. To Bad He seemed to be an upgrade over Cousins. Wish him the best
Unfortunately that would be more similarities  
Keith : 12/6/2018 11:13 am : link
to Theismann. Shame.
its not easy  
cjac : 12/6/2018 11:13 am : link
coming back from that break at his age

i thought his career was over right when it happened
RE: Honestly, I assumed it was over the minute that injury happened  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 14207389 Greg from LI said:
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He's no spring chicken. It would take anyone a long time to even attempt to come back from that. Rich Seubert missed almost two seasons and he was only 24 when he broke his leg. Smith is 34.


Yeah, you and me both. Lots of people on here thought he would just come back for the money, but he's made plenty of it at this point, and the injury was brutal.
Redskins  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2018 11:18 am : link
just issued a statement. Sounds scary. Really hope his leg can be saved etc.
This is awful  
Jay on the Island : 12/6/2018 11:20 am : link
Once it happened I knew his career was over but i was hoping that he could come back.
alex smith has played  
japanhead : 12/6/2018 11:21 am : link
a 16-game season only three times in his career. i also disagree that he was an upgrade over cousins. smith has thrown for 10 TDs prior to the leg injury. AP had been their whole offense this year. i don't dislike the guy by any stretch, but he's been average and injury prone over the course of his career.
RE: alex smith has played  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 14207423 japanhead said:
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a 16-game season only three times in his career. i also disagree that he was an upgrade over cousins. smith has thrown for 10 TDs prior to the leg injury. AP had been their whole offense this year. i don't dislike the guy by any stretch, but he's been average and injury prone over the course of his career.


Not the right time to be talking about his stats.
Best of luck to him  
chuckydee9 : 12/6/2018 11:39 am : link
but this is why I never blame a player for holding out or not accepting a contract.. the next play could be your last play and may be the last time you are able to stand on both your feet..
RE: This will set them back  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/6/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 14207401 Chip said:
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36.6 mil in dead money. Would have to either June 1 release or keep him on the roster for a year. To Bad He seemed to be an upgrade over Cousins. Wish him the best


They can reach an injury settlement can't they?
RE: Best of luck to him  
NoPeanutz : 12/6/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 14207441 chuckydee9 said:
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but this is why I never blame a player for holding out or not accepting a contract.. the next play could be your last play and may be the last time you are able to stand on both your feet..

100%
That's terrible  
ZogZerg : 12/6/2018 11:56 am : link
Hope he makes a full recovery.
This  
AcidTest : 12/6/2018 11:57 am : link
is really sad. Forget football. Here's hoping he doesn't lose his leg, and can walk normally.
Horrible news  
Mike in NY : 12/6/2018 11:58 am : link
I hope his leg can be saved and he makes a full recovery
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Danny Kanell : 12/6/2018 12:06 pm : link
Oh man, awful!
RE: RE: alex smith has played  
ColHowPepper : 12/6/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14207440 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14207423 japanhead said:
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a 16-game season only three times in his career. i also disagree that he was an upgrade over cousins. smith has thrown for 10 TDs prior to the leg injury. AP had been their whole offense this year. i don't dislike the guy by any stretch, but he's been average and injury prone over the course of his career. ///////

Not the right time to be talking about his stats.
Thank you, BBDS
This is horrible news if it's true.  
Ron from Ninerland : 12/6/2018 12:27 pm : link
Lets hope its not. All we have is the tweet. The Redskins aren't saying anything.
RE: RE: This will set them back  
ron mexico : 12/6/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14207450 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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36.6 mil in dead money. Would have to either June 1 release or keep him on the roster for a year. To Bad He seemed to be an upgrade over Cousins. Wish him the best



They can reach an injury settlement can't they?


unless they somehow get back the signing bonus, not sure how they can reduce that dead cap, but that level of understanding of the cap is over my head

Oh fuck, that's terrifying  
jpkmets : 12/6/2018 12:30 pm : link
had staph in my lower leg after surgery to address compartment syndrome. Took a lot of debridement procedures and IV vancomyacin after the first antibiotics didn't work. Still has left me with some muscular and sensory deficits in that leg -- praying he avoids those!
RE: This is horrible news if it's true.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/6/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14207504 Ron from Ninerland said:
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Lets hope its not. All we have is the tweet. The Redskins aren't saying anything.


The Skins had a press conference on it.
RE: This will set them back  
djstat : 12/6/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14207401 Chip said:
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36.6 mil in dead money. Would have to either June 1 release or keep him on the roster for a year. To Bad He seemed to be an upgrade over Cousins. Wish him the best
Actually cut him or not $70 million of his $92 million contract is guaranteed for injury. He will impact their cap for a long time.
Whether he plays or not is secondary.  
Giant John : 12/6/2018 12:37 pm : link
Hope he is OK.
Smith's COntract and the Cap  
djstat : 12/6/2018 12:40 pm : link
He received $27 MIllion Signing Bonus

His 2018 and '19 salaries were fully guaranteed

2019 is 16 Million

2020 at 16 million guaranteed for injury.
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Diver_Down : 12/6/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14207505 ron mexico said:
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36.6 mil in dead money. Would have to either June 1 release or keep him on the roster for a year. To Bad He seemed to be an upgrade over Cousins. Wish him the best



They can reach an injury settlement can't they?



unless they somehow get back the signing bonus, not sure how they can reduce that dead cap, but that level of understanding of the cap is over my head


It is worse than what you stated. His signing bonus of $27M was guaranteed along with his 2018/2019 salaries ($13M/$15M). On top of that, his 2020 salary is guaranteed for injury only so tack on an additional ($16M). A grand total of $71M is guaranteed.
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giants#1 : 12/6/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14207505 ron mexico said:
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unless they somehow get back the signing bonus, not sure how they can reduce that dead cap, but that level of understanding of the cap is over my head


Pretty sure they can't get the signing bonus back, but his base salary for 2019 is fully guaranteed which makes it virtually impossible to cut him since combined with his SB he would have ~$37M in dead money.

Not really sure why Smith would give up that money though since the whole purpose of gtd money is to protect the player in this type of event. Maybe the settlement would allow them to restructure how that money hits the cap though? I'd guess at best they can split it across the 2019/2020 caps.
RE: RE: This will set them back  
Diver_Down : 12/6/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14207515 djstat said:
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36.6 mil in dead money. Would have to either June 1 release or keep him on the roster for a year. To Bad He seemed to be an upgrade over Cousins. Wish him the best

Actually cut him or not $70 million of his $92 million contract is guaranteed for injury. He will impact their cap for a long time.


Or what dj said. Although, he has it at $70M and I have it at $71M. My math could be off, but when you are in that stratosphere of guaranteed money, a mil here or there is inconsequential.
RE: Oh fuck, that's terrifying  
ColHowPepper : 12/6/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14207506 jpkmets said:
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had staph in my lower leg after surgery to address compartment syndrome. Took a lot of debridement procedures and IV vancomyacin after the first antibiotics didn't work. Still has left me with some muscular and sensory deficits in that leg -- praying he avoids those!
me too, jpkmets, after ACL replacement. Typical course of vanco for in-bone infection is six months. Since vancomycin is too viscous to administer through a catheter, it has to be done via pic line, inserted in big vein inside upper arm, line threaded right into and inside the vena cavum. Wonderful to walk around with that for six months.

That, and typically also, the pic line at site of insertion, gets clogged from the twice daily vanco, wonderful, have to to to ER to get it cleaned out. Store the vanco bags at home in the fridge, set up the drip, bag and attachment twice a day. NOT fun.
Rounding here  
Chip : 12/6/2018 1:04 pm : link
but I believe 36 mil year one and the remaining 35 over the term of the contract. Just guessing. Is this the Rich Seubert injury?
remember this next time  
bluepepper : 12/6/2018 3:27 pm : link
an athlete has surgery and like every non-fatal surgery in history it's immediately proclaimed a success.
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Sounds like there's a real risk he could lose his leg  
RobCarpenter : 12/6/2018 4:02 pm : link
Terrible news.
Smith has a 61% regular season Win% over his last 8 seasons  
Leg of Theismann : 12/6/2018 4:11 pm : link
Over a 16 game regular season that would be an approx. average of a ~10-6 record, and that's with 3 different teams in 8 seasons.

He gets a lot of criticism but the numbers speak for themselves: he's been a winner, and that's not easy to do regardless of how good your team is.
RE: Rounding here  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14207579 Chip said:
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but I believe 36 mil year one and the remaining 35 over the term of the contract. Just guessing. Is this the Rich Seubert injury?


Not exactly, closer to Theismann's. Seubert's was worse - he broke the tibia, fibula, AND his ankle. Required five surgeries.
RE: RE: Rounding here  
FStubbs : 12/6/2018 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14207793 Greg from LI said:
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but I believe 36 mil year one and the remaining 35 over the term of the contract. Just guessing. Is this the Rich Seubert injury?



Not exactly, closer to Theismann's. Seubert's was worse - he broke the tibia, fibula, AND his ankle. Required five surgeries.


Both were disasters and it was a miracle Seubert came back, but he plays OL and he was young when it happened.

Alex Smith's career ended when he sustained that injury. I prayed he doesn't lose his leg.
Best wishes to Smith. Reminds me of the scare our own  
jcp56 : 12/6/2018 7:27 pm : link
Daniel? Fells had.
RE: Unfortunately that would be more similarities  
djm : 12/6/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14207408 Keith said:
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to Theismann. Shame.


Bizarre and eerie set of similarities to say the least.
RE: remember this next time  
Milton : 12/6/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14207745 bluepepper said:
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an athlete has surgery and like every non-fatal surgery in history it's immediately proclaimed a success. Link - ( New Window )
As George Young used to say, "when a doctor tells you the surgery was success, he just means he got paid."
RE: RE: Oh fuck, that's terrifying  
jpkmets : 12/6/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14207534 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 14207506 jpkmets said:


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had staph in my lower leg after surgery to address compartment syndrome. Took a lot of debridement procedures and IV vancomyacin after the first antibiotics didn't work. Still has left me with some muscular and sensory deficits in that leg -- praying he avoids those!

me too, jpkmets, after ACL replacement. Typical course of vanco for in-bone infection is six months. Since vancomycin is too viscous to administer through a catheter, it has to be done via pic line, inserted in big vein inside upper arm, line threaded right into and inside the vena cavum. Wonderful to walk around with that for six months.

That, and typically also, the pic line at site of insertion, gets clogged from the twice daily vanco, wonderful, have to to to ER to get it cleaned out. Store the vanco bags at home in the fridge, set up the drip, bag and attachment twice a day. NOT fun.


First couple of times with the Vanco they put it in too fast and I got what is called "Red Man Syndrome" . sudden itching and all this red rash. It was just brutal.

But, I'm grateful for that drug. I'd have lost my lower leg w/o it (or worse).
I don't like to hear 'infection' in this context  
GeofromNJ : 12/6/2018 9:53 pm : link
It would be devastating if he lost part of his leg on this account.
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