team next season? Absolutely.....
I think, if they can fix the OL, and find a 3rd WR, this offense can do some serious damage.....While Brown has made the OL better, he is not the answer at RG.....but C and RT are more of a concern....If we can sign Brown at a reasonable offer, and use the draft/FAcy for the other two spots, it's scary to think of what Barkley could do with an adequate OL in front of him....
As for QB, what are our alternatives? I think we win maybe one or possibly two more games this year.....that will put us easily out of the top 10......and a shot at a QB in the draft....
So, it's either Eli, or Lauletta, or some FA QB.....
Eli can function with an OL in front of him, and with a running game....but he will be another year older.....and his arm strength on long passes has diminished already.....If EE can get his head out of his ass, and Shurm's offense opens up, instead of being conservative, even Eli might be the best choice...of course, we have no idea what we have in Lauletta.....but an alternative to Eli must be looked into....
AS for the defense, we need an edge rusher bad.....Do you pay OV 15M next year, and hope he finally has an injury free year? You do, if you think this team can contend....you don't if you are still in rebuild mode....but if you keep him, then you only need one edge rusher instead of two.....Can Beal be the other corner? Huge question mark.....I think we need a play making FS, much more than we need a Landon Collins.....and a coverage linebacker is a huge necessity....
I am not crazy about Shurm and Bettcher, or even DG.....but I don't think the front office is going to make any changes....so they are here, at least for another year....maybe they learn from their mistakes, maybe they don't......
But this off season, and the decisions made on Eli, OV, Jenkins, Collins, etc. and how they will impact the following season, will finally show what "plan" DG has had all along....we either continue the rebuild, or we go for it.....there are no teams out there that are head and shoulders above the others....the right moves, and getting lucky in the draft and FAcy, can turn this team around.....
But sooner rather than later, the QB question has to be resolved....
But it s time to get the next guy here
I don't agree that another win or two puts them out of the running for a RD 1 QB. I think Herbert will come out this year and be gone before the Giants pick. But they might like one or more of the QBs in that second tier... Grier, Jones or Lock. If they do then one or two of those QBs will likely be available when they pick.
Do I love the guy as a Giants fan? Yes. Always will, we will not WIN again with Eli. We simply need something more than what he offers in today's NFL.
Any Giants team that goes into 2019 with Eli is just wasting another year. He's an all time Giants great who needs to join the All Timers in post Giants history.
If we don't resign Collins and give him too much money I think our secondary becomes the main focus off concern after a pass rushing lineman. If we can add quality players in secondary and a solid pass rusher we can be highly competitive I believe on defense.
And in all probability Eli will be the QB next year...he can still play...
Can they make the playoffs in 2019, it could happen , but is the top teams in division going AGAIN at or near .500? Take a lot of luck. Plus, lets not get fooled by this second half of season, facing backups, and weaker teams. Be careful!
If things fall right in FA (which sometimes doesnt) and draft players step in etc etc then id say good chance giants could be around .500 next season.
Problem is, longer you go with Eli, the further down the line, theyll step back again on finding the replacement and stepping in. Youd like to start that process next season rather then later
Im looking at 2020 or 2021 to be on track unless theyre still scrambling at the qb position
The biggest variable is if you have the right QB to get you to and succeed in that window.
I clearly don't think that is Manning. His arrow is pointing down, and the arrow of talent surrounding him is starting to point up.
The Giants need both of those arrows pointing up solidly to get back to a dominant run.
Tougher slate? I disagree with that you have Chicago in the north Vikings aren’t that good Detroit is Detroit Green Bay from what I’m hearing is about to blow it up afc eastyou got the pats and the rest are bad teams
I don't agree that another win or two puts them out of the running for a RD 1 QB. I think Herbert will come out this year and be gone before the Giants pick. But they might like one or more of the QBs in that second tier... Grier, Jones or Lock. If they do then one or two of those QBs will likely be available when they pick.
Jim, if so the big question is do they bring back Eli for another year? Or, cut him, save $17M and let the rookie QB take his lumps?
I think it's time to bring in a young QB and save some cap % for a few years.
Better QB play can cover up for a lot of other holes on this team that won't be filled in one off season.
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And we generally suck inter division. We play the NFC North and AFC East. It’s possible we improve enough. Dallas and Philadelphia are better.
Tougher slate? I disagree with that you have Chicago in the north Vikings aren’t that good Detroit is Detroit Green Bay from what I’m hearing is about to blow it up afc eastyou got the pats and the rest are bad teams
Chicago and Minnesota when healthy are much better teams than the Giants. Detroit and GB in their current states are both better, we'll see about next year.
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and a shot at a QB in the draft....
Because of this, it's Eli, Lauletta, or someone from FAcy....that's why I think they stick with Eli one more season, even with his shortcomings....
regarding getting a QB, remember the draft positions of:
Patrick Mahomes: 10
Aaron Rodgers: 24
Big Ben: 11
First rounders, but not in the top 5 picks.
Saquon Barkley is truly doing things rarely (if ever) seen out of a rookie running back, and is doing so on a 4-8 football team where the coach time and time again has inexplicably abandoned the running game. So with all that said, I think Barkley has managed to cover up a litany of tremendous holes in the team... and when you're saying that about a player on a team with a .333 winning percentage, you know it's bad.
Either Saquon Barkley is a once-in-a-lifetime-back or the Giants are closer to a playoff birth than we thought. I'm of the opinion you can't have it both ways. And I think Saquon is a once-in-a-lifetime back, and thus, I think this is a really, really bad football team. There's no one who can rush the passer. We have a star safety but he can't cover anyone. Our only good corner is on an atrocious contract. Our first round tight end can't block. Our offensive line is putrid and our quarterback is amongst the oldest in the league.
Right now we have good wide receivers, a great kicker, and a great running back.
I think we're two years away from contending.
Suprised at your take Doomster - positive takes are not usually what you're known for.
And definition of Insanity
I disagree with this. Games against the Jets (road game), Dolphins & Bills. We have a chance to link up with TB & Arizona. I think the schedule is finally somewhat manageable.
Yes, it is time to look for Eli's replacement, but if we don't draft one, Eli is just as good as any of the meh QB's we're going to pick up in FA. He still has life in him, so there's no need to reach for a QB.
Work on the OL and D. If a QB falls in our lap...hooray
Not so sure about point one.
And one of the best QBs this year was taken first round by a playoff team and sat a year. It seems to have paid off.
Have to get a new guy under center. While I can follow the general theme of getting better at other positions with draft collateral if the QBs you like the most are out of reach or not available. However I do not subscribe to the idea that this can exist every year.
We have kicked the shit out of that can down the road already...
They might never have another year this healthy again.
Defense sits #24 in yards allowed/game and #25 in points allowed/game. These seem on par with expectations.
We were never going to be good...