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NFT: Taking a sick day: Did I mess up and is it a big deal?

CMicks3110 : 12/7/2018 11:03 am
So, I called in sick from work today.

I told my boss that "I am taking a sick day, I feel a virus coming on, and I have a family member's wedding to go to, so I didn't think I should try to push through it";

I also noted that I would participate in a 9 am call that I am a key stakeholder in on a project we're working on, and would try to make myself available if anything urgent came up during the day.

He replied that "I'm either sick or not sick, and that If i'm taking a sick day because I feel I might get sick soon, he doesn't agree with that"

I should also add as a caveat that I am taking a two week vacation starting the week after next, and he mentioned that in his e-mail back to me.

The bottom line is, I am sick, but if it were not for the fact that I had an extremely busy weekend, I would have pushed through it, because I would have the weekend to rest and recover.

Another note for context, I have been on this team for 6 months, and had a very good mid-year review, but I was new, so I don't think there was a large sample size to critique me on. However, I think I have continued to produce good work, maybe with a hiccup or two here or there, but nothing major, so I don't think I have had any performance problems.

Was I wrong here to call out sick? Should I have powered through? And if I was? If you were my manager is it a big deal?



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RE: RE: RE: RE: This is the problem with society and the government rules  
B in ALB : 12/7/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14208848 djm said:
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid



Oh for fucks sake you suck.



Ok asshole. You should listen to Larry Birds story about his father

He said he watched his father put on his boots one morning to go to work with a broken ankle
His father said to him. You don’t get paid to stay home
Not that I think it should be carried to that extreme but a lot of people take advantage of the system
Larry Bird said that was the best advice he ever had and he took it with him onto the basketball court where he always suited up whether he was in pain or not

More people should have those values

So my response is that You Suck



No, You’re nuts. We shouldn’t have any pto or paid time off? The fuck is wrong with you. Who’s talking about anyone taking advantage? If you have time off to use, you should use it. That’s how this works. What is this 1846?


No, djm. You're nuts!

Larry Bird's dad had a broken ankle once and therefore formulated all employment policies for every company in history. End thread.
RE: bottom line is  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/7/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14208844 CMicks3110 said:
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and I know it's getting belabored.

I was sick. I implied that I wasn't that sick. The truth is, whether I was full blown sick, or just felt like I could get sick, I was concerned that it could worsen, and I had obligations over the weekend, that I was concerned about but really shouldn't have shared. Bear in mind, I hate going to weddings, and it's not something I am actually looking forward to. I don't consider it fun. But he doesn't know that.

The other point of fact here is that, I have a body (or immune system to be more specific) that lends itself to getting run down. For whatever reason god dealt me a hand that doesn't give me the best stamina at times. I am very aware of the ebbs and flows of my body, and I felt this coming on for a number of days, and I have had instances where things linger for weeks if I don't nip it in the bud. I usually just have to suck it up, but there are also times I genuinely have to be careful about keeping my physical health in a good place. And sometimes that means taking a day here or there, to avoid something worsening.

The only reason I left my last company was because the commute was so long and it was affecting my physical health.

I know people don't know me, and i can just brush it aside some of the critiques, but it's kind of shitty to make broad statements about individuals work ethics and attitude about work without actually understanding the nuance to the situation. To say I'm not some person's 'material' is condescending as hell. It's one thing to recognize a lack of talent for a job/skill/career (like Tim Tebow in baseball), but it's another thing to make some broad judgement about a person's character/work ethic because they communicated an issue wrong. This is not like Yoenis Cespedes going golfing and then not being able to play.

I care deeply about my job, career, and am eager to move up, but I have
to sometimes play it safe to run this marathon.

Anyway, end rant


Oh FFS, STFU.

You must be unbearable at the office.
And you idiot  
djm : 12/7/2018 7:57 pm : link
Why don’t you take a look at how much money is being made at the top in corporate America. But yea, let’s all just suck it up and help the execs make even more money. Because that’s going to help this country. You’re a madman.
My feeling was that if you're not  
Bill in UT : 12/7/2018 7:59 pm : link
calling in dead, don't bother. Just show up, lol
RE: And you idiot  
Bill in UT : 12/7/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14208853 djm said:
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Why don’t you take a look at how much money is being made at the top in corporate America. But yea, let’s all just suck it up and help the execs make even more money. Because that’s going to help this country. You’re a madman.


That's why I was glad to be a small businessman. Corporations/government have to put up with that mentality among their employees, I didn't. That's exactly why socialism will never work.
Bill in Utah  
rmc3981 : 12/7/2018 8:13 pm : link
That's why I was glad to be a small businessman. Corporations/government have to put up with that mentality among their employees, I didn't. That's exactly why socialism will never work.


+1
You're fine dude  
Joey in VA : 12/7/2018 8:17 pm : link
If your boss gets all twisted in what you're doing and nothing critical is occurring, he can go spin. Oh no the world is ending no one has a work ethic because CMicks felt like kinda sketchy and bagged work. Guess what you fucking fossils, this isn't a shift at the plant, it's not the old days when out of the office means out of touch. There's this awesome thing called technology that allows to stay connected even when not at the water cooler incorrectly diagnosing a play in last night's game as your fat head co-workers nod in agreement, equally confused as to what happened.

You shouldn't have told him that much, it's that simple and it sounds like he had some other shit going on and gave you some grief. He's your boss, that's his right, swallow it, show up on your next day and work your tail off. It's a hiccup, no big deal if your review was good, you're conscientious and you get along w your team and others you work with and for. Relax homes, you didn't f his wife, slash his tires or get arrested, you said a few too many words and he didn't like it. Life goes on, you'll be ok dude.
at my job  
CGiants07 : 12/7/2018 8:25 pm : link
certain people get paid time off. There is only 2 rules on using it, if somebody else is taking a bunch of time off and they ask first tough luck and make sure you ask 2 weeks to a month in advance whenever possible for vacations etc.

the only thing i can compare what you did is back when i was relatively new at my job id always take either thursday or friday afternoon off for march madness but i would say i had a doctors appointment even though he knew i was a huge college basketball fan. I would try to make up for it but agreeing to work a day i would usually have off instead.
CMicks  
B in ALB : 12/7/2018 8:27 pm : link
the answer is clear.

You need to break your own ankle with a fucking crowbar this weekend and show up to work on Monday. It's the only way to get back in your boss's good graces. He's clearly an old school boss who doesn't take time off for employees lightly. You need to earn your sick days and smashing a joint to bits will help.

You'll make earl the gort and bill very proud. Man up, pussy snowflake!
If your slammed at work and going on vacation  
JerrysKids : 12/7/2018 8:36 pm : link
try to power through unless your too sick to work. It seems to me that you are doubting that you are sick and that is telling me your not all that sick. Not a big deal just one day but learn from this. Next time suck it up and show up and do your job. Suit up and show up, it's the way to live.
I think B's on to something  
adamg : 12/7/2018 8:39 pm : link
Maybe a broken wrist will do...
RE: I think B's on to something  
Bill in UT : 12/7/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14208879 adamg said:
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Maybe a broken wrist will do...


B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.
Two things are happening here...  
EricJ : 12/7/2018 8:46 pm : link
1. CMicks gave too much info to his boss. He should have just called in sick.
2. Boss is an ass.

Meanwhile, I cannot relate at all to this story. I have not had a sick day since 1995. If you are not throwing up and not dead... you go to work.

I think everyone's definition of "sick" is just different.
How is the boss an ass?  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2018 8:58 pm : link
Doesn’t sound like he flipped his lid or did anything irrational.

Someone called him up sick and said they think they might be getting sick and have a super important weekend of personal stuff ahead, so they’re going to take a sick day.

He was annoyed by it, and kinda called ‘bullshit’ on the situation.

Sure, maybe it was really a justified absence and the employee’s communication just sucked, but how’s he supposed to know that?
RE: RE: I think B's on to something  
adamg : 12/7/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14208884 Bill in UT said:
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Maybe a broken wrist will do...



B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.


Strict but fair
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Del Shofner : 12/7/2018 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14208885 EricJ said:
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Meanwhile, I cannot relate at all to this story. I have not had a sick day since 1995. If you are not throwing up and not dead... you go to work.

I think everyone's definition of "sick" is just different.


This. WTF is a sick day? I think I've had one in 40 years of work.
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Bill L : 12/7/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14208897 Del Shofner said:
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Meanwhile, I cannot relate at all to this story. I have not had a sick day since 1995. If you are not throwing up and not dead... you go to work.

I think everyone's definition of "sick" is just different.



This. WTF is a sick day? I think I've had one in 40 years of work.

Same. In fact, I don’t get sick time anymore because we have a cap on hours (all good because what you have counts as service time for retirement).

I think we’re blurring issues here. Nobody, including his boss, begrudges sick time. Nobody, including his boss expects him to come into work if he’s sick.

What he did, whether he meant to or not, is to tell his boss that the job is trivial and is secondary to his leisure time and that taking “I’m almost sick” time is too stay home from work just so he won’t jeopardize that leisure time.

I’m fairly certain that no boss, and likely no co-worker, wants to hear that what they do is unimportant and can be discarded for more primary things like play time. Especially, if he’s paying you he won’t want to hear that you’ll talk the check by shove the job.
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mattlawson : 12/7/2018 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14208836 micky said:
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No questions would be asked..except the words: " get well"



YES!
Hey Bill L -  
Del Shofner : 12/7/2018 9:54 pm : link
nice to hear from you - how is the L family doing?
RE: RE: I think B's on to something  
B in ALB : 12/7/2018 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14208884 Bill in UT said:
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Maybe a broken wrist will do...



B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.


HandJobs Inc ain't gonna run itself, eh comrade?
RE: Hey Bill L -  
Bill L : 12/7/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14208903 Del Shofner said:
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nice to hear from you - how is the L family doing?
dry well thank you. And you and yours?
Um, *very* well  
Bill L : 12/7/2018 10:01 pm : link
Not dry at all
great - go Army in the game coming up  
Del Shofner : 12/7/2018 10:04 pm : link
I think, right? And I hope daughter of L is following the upcoming women's World Cup with interest. Her former opponent Shofner son #2 ended up in the "intelligence community" and is doing well.
RE: bottom line is  
D-Rod : 12/7/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14208844 CMicks3110 said:
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and I know it's getting belabored.

I was sick. I implied that I wasn't that sick. The truth is, whether I was full blown sick, or just felt like I could get sick, I was concerned that it could worsen, and I had obligations over the weekend, that I was concerned about but really shouldn't have shared. Bear in mind, I hate going to weddings, and it's not something I am actually looking forward to. I don't consider it fun. But he doesn't know that.

The other point of fact here is that, I have a body (or immune system to be more specific) that lends itself to getting run down. For whatever reason god dealt me a hand that doesn't give me the best stamina at times. I am very aware of the ebbs and flows of my body, and I felt this coming on for a number of days, and I have had instances where things linger for weeks if I don't nip it in the bud. I usually just have to suck it up, but there are also times I genuinely have to be careful about keeping my physical health in a good place. And sometimes that means taking a day here or there, to avoid something worsening.

The only reason I left my last company was because the commute was so long and it was affecting my physical health.

I know people don't know me, and i can just brush it aside some of the critiques, but it's kind of shitty to make broad statements about individuals work ethics and attitude about work without actually understanding the nuance to the situation. To say I'm not some person's 'material' is condescending as hell. It's one thing to recognize a lack of talent for a job/skill/career (like Tim Tebow in baseball), but it's another thing to make some broad judgement about a person's character/work ethic because they communicated an issue wrong. This is not like Yoenis Cespedes going golfing and then not being able to play.

I care deeply about my job, career, and am eager to move up, but I have
to sometimes play it safe to run this marathon.

Anyway, end rant


The issue is you didn't tell your boss you were sick. You told him you felt like you MIGHT be getting sick and had a wedding that you needed to attend this weekend.
RE: RE: RE: I think B's on to something  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2018 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14208905 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14208879 adamg said:


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Maybe a broken wrist will do...



B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.



HandJobs Inc ain't gonna run itself, eh comrade?


LOL. Got me good on this one. Savage!
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think B's on to something  
B in ALB : 12/7/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14208913 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 14208884 Bill in UT said:


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In comment 14208879 adamg said:


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Maybe a broken wrist will do...



B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.



HandJobs Inc ain't gonna run itself, eh comrade?



LOL. Got me good on this one. Savage!


Damn hoya. Didn't know you were the duper for Billy Boy.

Regardless, your bitch squad is going down tomorrow afternoon in the Dome.
RE: great - go Army in the game coming up  
Bill L : 12/7/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14208910 Del Shofner said:
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I think, right? And I hope daughter of L is following the upcoming women's World Cup with interest. Her former opponent Shofner son #2 ended up in the "intelligence community" and is doing well.
congrats to him. And definitely Go Army!
CMIcks, are you in your 20's?  
EricJ : 12/7/2018 10:39 pm : link
?
RE: CMIcks, are you in your 20's?  
adamg : 12/7/2018 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14208923 EricJ said:
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?


Oi. I'm in my twenties, and I know enough to not tell my boss I'm taking a fake sick day.
RE: RE: CMIcks, are you in your 20's?  
B in ALB : 12/7/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14208926 adamg said:
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Oi. I'm in my twenties, and I know enough to not tell my boss I'm taking a fake sick day.


hahahaha.
Keep your lies simple  
Vanzetti : 12/7/2018 10:56 pm : link
"I'm sick." Period

Don't add I have to do X and I have Y. Because then it seems like you are making excuses.

I'm Sick. If I take the conference call, I will have to run to the bathroom in the middle.
So I went to City MD  
CMicks3110 : 12/7/2018 11:06 pm : link
and i have walking pneumonia
RE: So I went to City MD  
pjcas18 : 12/7/2018 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14208935 CMicks3110 said:
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and i have walking pneumonia


We believe you buddy.

I would have stuck with the exploding diarrhea story, that was working, and now you fucked up a perfectly good lie.

but we still believe you.
Walking pneumonia  
B in ALB : 12/7/2018 11:15 pm : link
that's not good. Take it easy, man. Get better.

You should probably link this thread for your boss so he knows you weren't fucking around.
Bwahaha  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/8/2018 12:21 am : link
Fucking transparent as hell.
RE: RE: RE: I think B's on to something  
Bill in UT : 12/8/2018 12:22 am : link
In comment 14208905 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14208884 Bill in UT said:


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In comment 14208879 adamg said:


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Maybe a broken wrist will do...



B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.



HandJobs Inc ain't gonna run itself, eh comrade?


Not a problem, I'm ambidicksterous
There is a lot of sound advice here...  
bw in dc : 12/8/2018 12:34 am : link
about how you should handle this in the future - less is more.

However, I’ve managed large staffs for close to 15 years. It’s really essential for the manager to understand the personalities of his staff.

If you really are in good standing as you suggested, then I’ll come to your defense here a bit - your manager acted like a jerk off. He could have kept it lighter by simply saying “hey no problem...I get it...get some rest and hope you feel better...” And if there really is a problem, address it in person when you get back Monday. It’s a fairly simple read that you were trying to over-justify being out, and wanted to hear him basically say it was okay.

What did the doctor say about working with walking pneumonia?
RE: There is a lot of sound advice here...  
B in ALB : 12/8/2018 12:55 am : link
In comment 14208964 bw in dc said:
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about how you should handle this in the future - less is more.

However, I’ve managed large staffs for close to 15 years. It’s really essential for the manager to understand the personalities of his staff.

If you really are in good standing as you suggested, then I’ll come to your defense here a bit - your manager acted like a jerk off. He could have kept it lighter by simply saying “hey no problem...I get it...get some rest and hope you feel better...” And if there really is a problem, address it in person when you get back Monday. It’s a fairly simple read that you were trying to over-justify being out, and wanted to hear him basically say it was okay.

What did the doctor say about working with walking pneumonia?


Haha. Settle down. Dr. Fill over here waxing poetic with straight Bullshit.
I thought about this a bit  
santacruzom : 12/8/2018 1:09 am : link
And I think bw is right: your boss kind of sounds like a dick. Unless you have a history of missing work with objectively shaky reasoning, he's being a dick.

I find myself imagining any of the people I've worked for responding like that, and the only one who may have was a dick.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think B's on to something  
bigbluehoya : 12/8/2018 1:56 am : link
In comment 14208915 B in ALB said:
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Regardless, your bitch squad is going down tomorrow afternoon in the Dome.


We’ll see about that! There appears to be a chance that we aren’t that terrible this year.

Should be a good game.
.  
Bill2 : 12/8/2018 7:04 am : link
Never explain. Never complain.

Think less. Post less.
RE: Two things are happening here...  
christian : 12/8/2018 8:19 am : link
In comment 14208885 EricJ said:
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1. CMicks gave too much info to his boss. He should have just called in sick.
2. Boss is an ass.

Meanwhile, I cannot relate at all to this story. I have not had a sick day since 1995. If you are not throwing up and not dead... you go to work.

I think everyone's definition of "sick" is just different.


Most company's definition of sick is don't come in and get a bunch of other people sick because you have some tough guy streak of coming to work.
You know what’s funny about people who brag about never taking sick da  
RicFlair : 12/8/2018 8:44 am : link
Days?

Those are the people who come to work sick and get other people sick.

The multiple people end up sick and missing time, thus having a larger negative impact on the company.
If Typhoid Mary  
Bill in UT : 12/8/2018 8:49 am : link
had taken a sick day, would we even know about her?
Pneumonia great, worries over  
gtt350 : 12/8/2018 11:28 am : link
.
As a former manager of a 14-16 person team for several years  
mfsd : 12/8/2018 11:56 am : link
I never begrudged people for taking sick time, and encouraged them to take their PTO time. Business demands sometimes dictated there were times of the year where it was not ideal to take time, and I tried to communicate that well in advance.

I can share it was pretty easy to figure out which employees were really sick when they (rarely) called out, and those who were pussies who needed (regular) sick time, for days when they were feeling a little “less than” and needed to stay home and cuddle with their dog or whatever.

Only you know which category you fall into based on prior work performance. But as others have shared, perception matters, and explaining your staying home because you need to feel better for a weekend is not a good look.

It’s akin to joining everyone for happy hour Thursday, then calling out on Friday. We’d refer to it as a “CLM” - a career limiting move.
ClMicks, I’d still sit down with your boss and get feedback on whether  
yatqb : 12/8/2018 1:21 pm : link
he feels you are doing a good job for him, and if not what more can you do to prove to him how much the job means to you.

Let him hear your commitment directly. Then he’ll hopefully see you as you want to be seen.
As soon as you mentioned the wedding  
Matt M. : 12/8/2018 8:07 pm : link
you were wrong. I kind of agree that either you are sick or not. You told him you weren't sick and then threw in your weekend plans.

I'm not sure what your planned vacation has to do with it though.

Also, for a 6 month period a few "hiccups" is not really insignificant depending on the nature of the "hiccups".
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think B's on to something  
B in ALB : 12/8/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14208967 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 14208915 B in ALB said:


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Regardless, your bitch squad is going down tomorrow afternoon in the Dome.



We’ll see about that! There appears to be a chance that we aren’t that terrible this year.

Should be a good game.


It ended up being a great game. PE has the Hoyas playing really well.
2 things  
Matt M. : 12/8/2018 8:33 pm : link
1) The problem wasn't calling out. It was coupling not really being sick yet with wanting to be healthy cor the wedding.


2) I don't agree with those saying it's your time to take. Your office distinguishes sick time from vacation time. You said you weren't really sick, but took a sick day. This isn't about pushing through or not because you weren't really sick. It was about wanting to rest up for the wedding. That's fine...if you take a personal day and don't overshare why. Otherwise, you say you are sick and you take sick time.
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