So, I called in sick from work today.
I told my boss that "I am taking a sick day, I feel a virus coming on, and I have a family member's wedding to go to, so I didn't think I should try to push through it";
I also noted that I would participate in a 9 am call that I am a key stakeholder in on a project we're working on, and would try to make myself available if anything urgent came up during the day.
He replied that "I'm either sick or not sick, and that If i'm taking a sick day because I feel I might get sick soon, he doesn't agree with that"
I should also add as a caveat that I am taking a two week vacation starting the week after next, and he mentioned that in his e-mail back to me.
The bottom line is, I am sick, but if it were not for the fact that I had an extremely busy weekend, I would have pushed through it, because I would have the weekend to rest and recover.
Another note for context, I have been on this team for 6 months, and had a very good mid-year review, but I was new, so I don't think there was a large sample size to critique me on. However, I think I have continued to produce good work, maybe with a hiccup or two here or there, but nothing major, so I don't think I have had any performance problems.
Was I wrong here to call out sick? Should I have powered through? And if I was? If you were my manager is it a big deal?
My take.
this times a million
Keep it simple.
If I m your boss, not a very good look for you.
If you are entitled to sick days, it's none of your boss's business what kind of sick or how sick you are. He's your boss, not your doctor.
When you overshared details of your private life with him, you invited him to share his take on the company policy with you. You didn't mess up by taking the day off. You messed up by justifying the day off.
That being said, everybody makes mistakes. The best way to move past this is to learn from the past and come back stronger.
/IMHO
Also, the way you worded it made you sound like a pussy.
My take.
Good advice, but your boss will still know you're just covering your ass.
You definitely screwed up. Not by taking a sick day, but by not just saying you are sick and being done with it. That's why your boss reacted the way he did.
If I were you, I'd work pretty hard to get back in his good graces. Perception is important, and if he feels you can't be counted on, it will affect your career at this company. Don't take any more sick days unless it's absolutely necessary.
In October one of my employees came into work sick. It wasn't long after that about half of the department was sick (6-7 people). Including me - a three week long cold. No thanks.
Stay home. Or, go to work and use your boss's pen. Sneeze on his TPS reports too.
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Go to a walk-in clinic. If it's a viral thing, get a doc's note. If it's bacterial, etc., get that PLUS prescription meds. Then you're covered with HR, once you turn that in.
My take.
Good advice, but your boss will still know you're just covering your ass.
You definitely screwed up. Not by taking a sick day, but by not just saying you are sick and being done with it. That's why your boss reacted the way he did.
If I were you, I'd work pretty hard to get back in his good graces. Perception is important, and if he feels you can't be counted on, it will affect your career at this company. Don't take any more sick days unless it's absolutely necessary.
this is terrible advice - looks like you are covering your ass and overcompensating. And who would you turn it into?
Thats it.
I have been on both sides of this. Bosses hate the long
winded reasons etc.
IT WILL BE FORGOTTEN MONDAY MORNING.
Let it go. You sound like me. LOL enjoy the weekend.
You offered up too much details.
Also, if you're sick, take the freaking day. I don't get it with us Americans why we feel the need to 'push through'. You're not doing anybody any favors.
I'm sure your boss has much more pressing things to worry about. It's not a big deal - just keep it simple next time you take one.
Don't sweat it (figuratively). Enjoy the weekend.
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Go to a walk-in clinic. If it's a viral thing, get a doc's note. If it's bacterial, etc., get that PLUS prescription meds. Then you're covered with HR, once you turn that in.
My take.
Good advice, but your boss will still know you're just covering your ass.
You definitely screwed up. Not by taking a sick day, but by not just saying you are sick and being done with it. That's why your boss reacted the way he did.
If I were you, I'd work pretty hard to get back in his good graces. Perception is important, and if he feels you can't be counted on, it will affect your career at this company. Don't take any more sick days unless it's absolutely necessary.
this is terrible advice - looks like you are covering your ass and overcompensating. And who would you turn it into?
Eh. Bottom line IS to now cover your ass. Maybe keep the doc's excuse in a back pocket and as others have said, work hard to get back in the good graces. If you're solid, shouldn't take much time. Meanwhile, you have your ass covered. Which, regardless of impressions, at least might say you WERE concerned and received medical attention/direction.
I'd still do it.
I think that's depends more on the kind of person your boss is than on what you actually did. If someone I work with did that, I might be a bit miffed, but assuming there were no issues with their performance, and no pattern of being out sick, it'd be forgotten immediately. I think any decent person would be that way, hopefully your boss falls in that category.
this is the beginning of the end of your future with this company.
You not going on your two week trip if you feel a virus coming on? Riiiight.
Could tip the scales on a competitive promotion or desired task, you never know.
The best advice is "Make your managers job easier," those are the people that people want to keep.
this is the beginning of the end of your future with this company.
This....
Exactly, its important to you. So you would go. This wedding is important to you, so you would go. Work? Not so much.
Maybe you should start drinking. It's not like you're working.
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Go to a walk-in clinic. If it's a viral thing, get a doc's note. If it's bacterial, etc., get that PLUS prescription meds. Then you're covered with HR, once you turn that in.
My take.
Good advice, but your boss will still know you're just covering your ass.
You definitely screwed up. Not by taking a sick day, but by not just saying you are sick and being done with it. That's why your boss reacted the way he did.
If I were you, I'd work pretty hard to get back in his good graces. Perception is important, and if he feels you can't be counted on, it will affect your career at this company. Don't take any more sick days unless it's absolutely necessary.
this is terrible advice - looks like you are covering your ass and overcompensating. And who would you turn it into?
Eh. Bottom line IS to now cover your ass. Maybe keep the doc's excuse in a back pocket and as others have said, work hard to get back in the good graces. If you're solid, shouldn't take much time. Meanwhile, you have your ass covered. Which, regardless of impressions, at least might say you WERE concerned and received medical attention/direction.
I'd still do it.
no one is going to ask for verification that you were sick. If they get to the point where they want to fire you a doctors note is not going to help. Just makes you look more desperate and like you are covering up. Why would you go to that trouble given how you previously described your ailment?
If an employee handed my that stuff I would ask him what he expects me to do with that and my opinion of him would drop even further for wasting even more time on the subject.
Just go back to work and pretend like it didn't happen.
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Meh not sure I agree with that. Someone comes to work with the flu for fear of not getting paid, gives it to you, now you get punished? Doesn't seem right.
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you were wrong in what you said to your boss. Never give out excessive details like that. A simple, sorry I don't feel well enough to come in today is more than enough info. You're oversharing is what is causing you an issue now.
this times a million
Keep it simple.
Definitely. Not feeling well, can't make it in today........done.
Ask yourself this.... If it was the other way around and you were the boss, would you forget about it? I know I wouldn't.
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more pertinently, is it a big deal? Or is it something that will generally be forgotten about over a relatively short period of time. It's not as if this is a pattern.
Ask yourself this.... If it was the other way around and you were the boss, would you forget about it? I know I wouldn't.
I would forget about it if it was a one off.
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
And here is today's winner for dumbfuck post of the day.
Ahh corporate America.
The whole day before the 2 weeks off thing can raise eyebrows though... I can provide greater detail of why I'm taking time off because of how long I've worked for him, not that anyone wants to hear it, but I wouldn't have 6 months on the job.
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Oh for fucks sake you suck.
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your resume.
this is the beginning of the end of your future with this company.
This....
Yep.
A guy who says he feels something coming on so he can't work isn't a guy you want to depend on for critical projects.
Plus you imply you value your going to a wedding than your job. Bad choice to say to a boss.
Listen, these are your sick days and you're entitled to take them, but your rationale is pretty weak and you certainly never should have told your boss. "I'm skipping work to rest up for a busy social calendar this weekend" reflects poorly on you.
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Oh for fucks sake you suck.
Ok asshole. You should listen to Larry Birds story about his father
He said he watched his father put on his boots one morning to go to work with a broken ankle
His father said to him. You don’t get paid to stay home
Not that I think it should be carried to that extreme but a lot of people take advantage of the system
Larry Bird said that was the best advice he ever had and he took it with him onto the basketball court where he always suited up whether he was in pain or not
More people should have those values
So my response is that You Suck
That depends on your boss. He is who he is, not whoever anyone thinks he should be.
The problem with what you said is you volunteered up info that made you look like you made what they call a "business decision".
The guy on film who could've made the tackle but pulled up so as not to get hurt. You could've gone into work today but for some intangible reasons, you did not.
I don't want to pile on or make you feel bad. I don't think you're in major trouble or anything but it would probably be best for you too keep this in mind moving forward and work your hardest to make up for it.
Don't dwell on the mistake. Try to fix it and learn from it.
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more pertinently, is it a big deal? Or is it something that will generally be forgotten about over a relatively short period of time. It's not as if this is a pattern.
Ask yourself this.... If it was the other way around and you were the boss, would you forget about it? I know I wouldn't.
I would forget about it if it was a one off.
This. He may be irked for a few days but as long as he proves his worth moving forward and it wasn't a past issue I think this is a non-issue. Unless you work for EY,PWC, Deloitte, or KPMG. When I was at a big 4 they used to make us come to work with the Flu during busy season and they would put us on a floor with other sick people.
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is basically the honeymoon I never got to take because my wife's mother was dying when we got married.
Exactly, its important to you. So you would go. This wedding is important to you, so you would go. Work? Not so much.
IMO this is the post of the thread. Not only because it sums up the situation, but it is exactly what you told your boss and likely reflects how he will think of you from here on out.
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Oh for fucks sake you suck.
Ok asshole. You should listen to Larry Birds story about his father
He said he watched his father put on his boots one morning to go to work with a broken ankle
His father said to him. You don’t get paid to stay home
Not that I think it should be carried to that extreme but a lot of people take advantage of the system
Larry Bird said that was the best advice he ever had and he took it with him onto the basketball court where he always suited up whether he was in pain or not
More people should have those values
So my response is that You Suck
In that sense, Larry gave poor advice.
As for the OP, you should have just said you were sick and been done with it. Too honest, i'd say.
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Earl, I'll jump on your bandwagon, lol. As the previous owner of a small (6 employees) business, I counted on everyone, especially myself, to be at work every day. I had 2 weeks paid vacation for everyone, but didn't guarantee any sick or personal days. I did generally pay them if they were reliable employees and called in sick, but they weren't assured of that, and it had better not become a pattern. And my people almost always showed up for work. If anyone asked about vacation or sick day policy at a job interview, I passed on them.
And yes, you definitely over complicated taking a sick day.
The bottom line is I am sick, i am not violently ill but I'm sick enough where i don't think I would be productive at work in any way, and now I'm a nervous wreck, which is doubly bad because I just wanted to rest.
I clearly overshared, but my intent in oversharing was to indicate that I wanted to be helpful in case there was any urgent issues. I have 6 Sick Days per Year, I used 2, so i had 4 days left. I saved my PTO days for my honeymoon. I haven't done anything I wasn't entitled to do, other than to state something that made me inadvertently look bad, because frankly, I like to please people. I thought it would make me sound more like a team player that I was willing to do stuff even though I was sick.
I got a very good mid-year review. I would hate to think that a supervisor would throw me out with the bathwater over a miscommunication.
Ok asshole. You should listen to Larry Birds story about his father
He said he watched his father put on his boots one morning to go to work with a broken ankle
His father said to him. You don’t get paid to stay home
Not that I think it should be carried to that extreme but a lot of people take advantage of the system
Larry Bird said that was the best advice he ever had and he took it with him onto the basketball court where he always suited up whether he was in pain or not
More people should have those values
So my response is that You Suck
Is that the same Larry Bird's father who was an alcoholic and committed suicide?
The bottom line is I am sick, i am not violently ill but I'm sick enough where i don't think I would be productive at work in any way, and now I'm a nervous wreck, which is doubly bad because I just wanted to rest.
I clearly overshared, but my intent in oversharing was to indicate that I wanted to be helpful in case there was any urgent issues. I have 6 Sick Days per Year, I used 2, so i had 4 days left. I saved my PTO days for my honeymoon. I haven't done anything I wasn't entitled to do, other than to state something that made me inadvertently look bad, because frankly, I like to please people. I thought it would make me sound more like a team player that I was willing to do stuff even though I was sick.
I got a very good mid-year review. I would hate to think that a supervisor would throw me out with the bathwater over a miscommunication.
You're fine. Don't even bring it up with your supervisor when you return. If he brings it up talk to him privately and explain yourself as you did in this post. I think you're over thinking it. Further, soliciting advise from people on an internet board is going to bring out some unsavory responses geared toward making you nervous.
Enjoy the wedding and your weekend.
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Ok asshole. You should listen to Larry Birds story about his father
He said he watched his father put on his boots one morning to go to work with a broken ankle
His father said to him. You don’t get paid to stay home
Not that I think it should be carried to that extreme but a lot of people take advantage of the system
Larry Bird said that was the best advice he ever had and he took it with him onto the basketball court where he always suited up whether he was in pain or not
More people should have those values
So my response is that You Suck
Is that the same Larry Bird's father who was an alcoholic and committed suicide?
LMAO
So many people who have to capability of working remotely should do so when they are sick.
Don't ruin your weekend over it.
What's done is done. Just bounce back from it the best way you know how.
sure, but not something you ever want to tell your boss, even though he likely feels the same way.
Points to a lack of awareness/discretion.
As most of echoed on here, you did not need to go into all the details of why you were sick or your weekend activities, I just find it odd that you would. I could never understand some people I work with who would go into great detail of their "sickness" the following day when they came in. It almost seemed like they were reading off a script. I believe you know you are in the wrong, hence coming on to a message board to poll everyone.
To be honest, you are on the job 6 months, had a great review. I would not worry about it now, because what's done is done. However, you better believe that your supervisor might look at you differently now.
I got a very good mid-year review. I would hate to think that a supervisor would throw me out with the bathwater over a miscommunication.
Only a very spiteful, immature manager would do this. If you are good at your job, work hard and produce value, your job should be safe. But writing a post like this.. people who are really good/work hard at their jobs don't write this post imo. They know they are secure.
Maybe you should start drinking. It's not like you're working.
I'd listen to him Cmick, he's in pre law.
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Don't we all work to live and not live to work?
sure, but not something you ever want to tell your boss, even though he likely feels the same way.
Points to a lack of awareness/discretion.
Your boss will forget it by start of next week because an employee missing a day just isn't that a big of a deal. The only reason he wrote what he did in the email is you basically flaunted taking the day off in his face.
You not going on your two week trip if you feel a virus coming on? Riiiight.
I hate employees like you. No offense.
To the sh*t list, you go!
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sucks for your boss to hear quite honestly. Just an incredibly stupid and immature thing to say. Plus you have two weeks PTO coming up?
You not going on your two week trip if you feel a virus coming on? Riiiight.
I hate employees like you. No offense.
To the sh*t list, you go!
should mention that i agree with Jim.
That being said, I'm reading between the lines here. This sounds like you are unsure of the relationship with your boss. Aside from the written review, which means absolutely nothing how is your work life ? Are they leaning on you ? Is your work getting criticized ? Does this company have some horrible culture in which taking sick days at all is frowned upon unless you have one foot in the grave ?
The fact you even posted this tells me that you have a poor work situation. You need to ask yourself that. Long term you don't want to be in a situation where you have to ask a football board if its okay to take a sick day.
I never understood why other bosses get so anal about missing a day...big effin deal, tomorrow's another day. Honestly, some people think they're their day to day work activity is life or death...guess what?...ITS NOT!
Working is just a means to the end, work to live, don't live to work!
I don't want any of my reports to come to work sick, stay home!! I don't want to get sick from you. (and to be honest, if you're not really sick, couldn't care less...as long as you don't post a picture of yourself on the beach or in the bar and someone sees it and it comes back to me)
Don't follow up and explain things. You're only going to dig a bigger hole. Just move on and learn from this and the next time you're sick, just call in sick and omit the rest of the excuse.
If you are dedicated, meet your deadlines, and exceed expectations throughout the year, no one will remember this.
What’s done is done work hard the next week before your vacation and when you’re back and this will be a minor speed bump. But If your boss shows future examples of such snappiness you may want to brush off your CV
no reason to bring math into, now you're really going to piss people off.
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Earl, I'll jump on your bandwagon, lol. As the previous owner of a small (6 employees) business, I counted on everyone, especially myself, to be at work every day. I had 2 weeks paid vacation for everyone, but didn't guarantee any sick or personal days. I did generally pay them if they were reliable employees and called in sick, but they weren't assured of that, and it had better not become a pattern. And my people almost always showed up for work. If anyone asked about vacation or sick day policy at a job interview, I passed on them.
You passed on anyone asking about vacation time?
You may have lost some good people potentially.
People deserve (and should know beforehand) what the policy is, including sick time.
Anyone ever quit after they found about your policy? lol
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Poor Earl isn't smart enough to have a career that includes benefits at his job. Everyone take it easy on him - it's not like he has an EAP at his disposal.
This sounds incredibly fake. You love everyone you work with just doesn't sound real, not in a big company. You are either incredibly naive or a complete pushover that's just too agreeable.
And where you are off is common sense. Nothing else. Just suck up a vitamin C tablet and work today. Really thats what should have happened. Or just called in sick without this bogus guilt laden explanation.
You re body of work will speak for itself
I never understood why other bosses get so anal about missing a day...big effin deal, tomorrow's another day. Honestly, some people think they're their day to day work activity is life or death...guess what?...ITS NOT!
Working is just a means to the end, work to live, don't live to work!
I don't want any of my reports to come to work sick, stay home!! I don't want to get sick from you. (and to be honest, if you're not really sick, couldn't care less...as long as you don't post a picture of yourself on the beach or in the bar and someone sees it and it comes back to me)
Hope you're not an ER doc.
Whatev's, if I get there I get there, if I don't no biggie.
Not going to work because you think you might be getting sick. Holy shit.
I can't wait until you have to manage someone. Sometimes, that's what it takes to understand.
I wouldn't be surprised if you get perp walked on Monday.
Not going to work because you think you might be getting sick. Holy shit.
Actually, yes. I don't want a coworker coming in who is coming down with something. Call me crazy.
I think i'm good and I don't need to prove it to you. I've had some bosses that have been rat bastards, where performance is not based on merit, but on where you fit in a clique. So insecurity can stem from a lot of things that are out of my control.
So if some of you want to go all fire and brimstone over a sick day that was communicated incorrectly, then go ahead, but it's a completely unsophisticated look at real workplace dynamics. It's not a thoughtful analysis - it's a gut reaction about smoeone you don't know.
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Earl, I'll jump on your bandwagon, lol. As the previous owner of a small (6 employees) business, I counted on everyone, especially myself, to be at work every day. I had 2 weeks paid vacation for everyone, but didn't guarantee any sick or personal days. I did generally pay them if they were reliable employees and called in sick, but they weren't assured of that, and it had better not become a pattern. And my people almost always showed up for work. If anyone asked about vacation or sick day policy at a job interview, I passed on them.
You passed on anyone asking about vacation time?
You may have lost some good people potentially.
People deserve (and should know beforehand) what the policy is, including sick time.
Anyone ever quit after they found about your policy? lol
I was always upfront at interviews about vacation time and my feelings about guaranteed sick/personal days. The only surprises anyone got were positive ones. Also, if it started snowing during the day and it looked like the drive home might be hazardous, I'd shut down and let everyone go home early on me. I wasn't an ogre :)
Typical.
Here's an idea. Learn how to call out sick. It's something literally the entire working population has mastered...except for you, apparently.
Typical.
Here's an idea. Learn how to call out sick. It's something literally the entire working population has mastered...except for you, apparently.
The guy screwed up & recognizes that in hindsight. Cut him a little slack. No need for the snarky comments.
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and then when he gets some he doesn't like, he throws a hissy fit.
Typical.
Here's an idea. Learn how to call out sick. It's something literally the entire working population has mastered...except for you, apparently.
The guy screwed up & recognizes that in hindsight. Cut him a little slack. No need for the snarky comments.
Nah. If you start a thread like this, you're asking for all opinions. You don't then cry about it when you get some that you don't want. You start a thread like this, you have to expect to get some opinions that are not going to be what you're hoping to hear.
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Oh for fucks sake you suck.
Ok asshole. You should listen to Larry Birds story about his father
He said he watched his father put on his boots one morning to go to work with a broken ankle
His father said to him. You don’t get paid to stay home
Not that I think it should be carried to that extreme but a lot of people take advantage of the system
Larry Bird said that was the best advice he ever had and he took it with him onto the basketball court where he always suited up whether he was in pain or not
More people should have those values
So my response is that You Suck
Larry Bird's dad off'ed himself.
Probably not best example.
But more broadly speaking, I’m writing here that if you worked for me, and you called in for thinking you might be getting sick and wanted to be feeling solid for your big weekend and your upcoming two weeks of PTO, yeah I’d think you were B team material.
And if you don’t want to go to work even though you have a meeting for an important project, again, you might think about finding something that would entice you into work when you’re feeling like you might be coming down with something.
Finally, you might not like what I have written, and that’s cool, because as far as you know I’m just some schmo on BBI. But, maybe too, I’m a seasoned manager with lots of professional experience who is trying to help you. Next time you’ll know better.
I think i'm good and I don't need to prove it to you. I've had some bosses that have been rat bastards, where performance is not based on merit, but on where you fit in a clique. So insecurity can stem from a lot of things that are out of my control.
So if some of you want to go all fire and brimstone over a sick day that was communicated incorrectly, then go ahead, but it's a completely unsophisticated look at real workplace dynamics. It's not a thoughtful analysis - it's a gut reaction about smoeone you don't know.
You're fine. You took a day off and didn't go over your allotment. You basically told him you were sick. Your manager should go fuck himself.
But more broadly speaking, I’m writing here that if you worked for me, and you called in for thinking you might be getting sick and wanted to be feeling solid for your big weekend and your upcoming two weeks of PTO, yeah I’d think you were B team material.
And if you don’t want to go to work even though you have a meeting for an important project, again, you might think about finding something that would entice you into work when you’re feeling like you might be coming down with something.
Finally, you might not like what I have written, and that’s cool, because as far as you know I’m just some schmo on BBI. But, maybe too, I’m a seasoned manager with lots of professional experience who is trying to help you. Next time you’ll know better.
You’re right. And there really isn’t enough information to make an accurate assessment. But given the context and information available, not fit for my team.
You're not going to have the opportunity to qualify each of your details.
Why do I get this feeling that your explanation is the only way that you can make this even worse? You should probably just let it lie at this point.
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Another Earl classic. So much dumb in so few words.
So an employee who is legitimately sick should put his/her health and those around them in danger for fear of not getting paid. Brilliant!
I didn't realize you could give a co-worker a broken ankle by showing up to work.
The goat posts, hilarity ensues.
Lots of debate and discussion about the better way to handle calling out sick and now you acknowledge that it was a mistake. That part of your question has been answered clearly to you.
With regards to whether it's a big deal, that answer kind of depends on how you define a big deal. As I said earlier, you won't get fired over this. Over time, you certainly can recover.
Where it can be a problem is looking beyond your current job/assignments to other ones as far as this particular boss is concerned. I think it's possible you've hurt yourself there, primarily because you said he took the time to write you an email and question your decision. Doesn't that mean something already?
Whether you decide that it's a big deal is up to you.
My point of view has changed over the years, as I think is appropriate. In my early career I was interested more in opportunities I could get that would give me experience and open more doors for me. That usually meant accepting crappy assignments or challenges that others weren't offered or were unwilling to accept. Doing that consistently gave me great opportunities that very few colleagues at my level were given. Those kinds of opportunities could be in jeopardy, and what you want to consider is whether that matters to you.
You can decide for yourself. If you want to move along with the pack, getting promotions and opportunities that are typical for someone in your cohort (similar age/experience) than you shouldn't really worry about it. If you want to move ahead of the pack, then yes, this is something you might want to address/follow up on. Consider ways you can demonstrate your willingness to go the extra mile and be dependable and you can still get back on the right track with this boss. If the boss is unwilling to let this go and you see opportunities that aren't coming your way, then you might just have a bad relationship with this boss that would be better for you to move on from.
Good luck.
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Another Earl classic. So much dumb in so few words.
So an employee who is legitimately sick should put his/her health and those around them in danger for fear of not getting paid. Brilliant!
So maybe the OP can honestly tell us if the was scheduled to leave on his vacation today, would he cancel his flight for fear of putting the health of the other passengers in danger.
Oh I wouldn't say that only happens on BBI.
If I m your boss, not a very good look for you.
Said no one with wisdom ever
I was raised with "if you can breathe, you are going to school". I never missed a day no matter how sick and I didn't miss work either. Over the years I have softened on that approach. I've been made sick many times by coworkers and I'm sure vice versa. I've also worsened my health by coming in. No one wants you there including most of my company's managers.
I was sick. I implied that I wasn't that sick. The truth is, whether I was full blown sick, or just felt like I could get sick, I was concerned that it could worsen, and I had obligations over the weekend, that I was concerned about but really shouldn't have shared. Bear in mind, I hate going to weddings, and it's not something I am actually looking forward to. I don't consider it fun. But he doesn't know that.
The other point of fact here is that, I have a body (or immune system to be more specific) that lends itself to getting run down. For whatever reason god dealt me a hand that doesn't give me the best stamina at times. I am very aware of the ebbs and flows of my body, and I felt this coming on for a number of days, and I have had instances where things linger for weeks if I don't nip it in the bud. I usually just have to suck it up, but there are also times I genuinely have to be careful about keeping my physical health in a good place. And sometimes that means taking a day here or there, to avoid something worsening.
The only reason I left my last company was because the commute was so long and it was affecting my physical health.
I know people don't know me, and i can just brush it aside some of the critiques, but it's kind of shitty to make broad statements about individuals work ethics and attitude about work without actually understanding the nuance to the situation. To say I'm not some person's 'material' is condescending as hell. It's one thing to recognize a lack of talent for a job/skill/career (like Tim Tebow in baseball), but it's another thing to make some broad judgement about a person's character/work ethic because they communicated an issue wrong. This is not like Yoenis Cespedes going golfing and then not being able to play.
I care deeply about my job, career, and am eager to move up, but I have
to sometimes play it safe to run this marathon.
Anyway, end rant
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Oh for fucks sake you suck.
Ok asshole. You should listen to Larry Birds story about his father
He said he watched his father put on his boots one morning to go to work with a broken ankle
His father said to him. You don’t get paid to stay home
Not that I think it should be carried to that extreme but a lot of people take advantage of the system
Larry Bird said that was the best advice he ever had and he took it with him onto the basketball court where he always suited up whether he was in pain or not
More people should have those values
So my response is that You Suck
No, You’re nuts. We shouldn’t have any pto or paid time off? The fuck is wrong with you. Who’s talking about anyone taking advantage? If you have time off to use, you should use it. That’s how this works. What is this 1846?
In fact, you're better off calling in super early so you get voicemail. Keep it short, "Hey Mr. Boss, apologies but I'm very ill this morning and I'll need to take the day. If there is anything urgent, I'll have my cell close by. Thank you. See you Monday."
There is NOTHING to discuss.
How is that difficult? And how does that warrant a thread with 130+ responses? It's awesome though. Great comedy.
I'm sorry, but I have to ask - how long have you been working as an adult?
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In comment 14208395 Earl the goat said:
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There shouldn’t be paid sick days
People take advantage all the time
If you work you get paid. If you don’t work you shouldn’t get paid
Oh for fucks sake you suck.
Ok asshole. You should listen to Larry Birds story about his father
He said he watched his father put on his boots one morning to go to work with a broken ankle
His father said to him. You don’t get paid to stay home
Not that I think it should be carried to that extreme but a lot of people take advantage of the system
Larry Bird said that was the best advice he ever had and he took it with him onto the basketball court where he always suited up whether he was in pain or not
More people should have those values
So my response is that You Suck
No, You’re nuts. We shouldn’t have any pto or paid time off? The fuck is wrong with you. Who’s talking about anyone taking advantage? If you have time off to use, you should use it. That’s how this works. What is this 1846?
No, djm. You're nuts!
Larry Bird's dad had a broken ankle once and therefore formulated all employment policies for every company in history. End thread.
I was sick. I implied that I wasn't that sick. The truth is, whether I was full blown sick, or just felt like I could get sick, I was concerned that it could worsen, and I had obligations over the weekend, that I was concerned about but really shouldn't have shared. Bear in mind, I hate going to weddings, and it's not something I am actually looking forward to. I don't consider it fun. But he doesn't know that.
The other point of fact here is that, I have a body (or immune system to be more specific) that lends itself to getting run down. For whatever reason god dealt me a hand that doesn't give me the best stamina at times. I am very aware of the ebbs and flows of my body, and I felt this coming on for a number of days, and I have had instances where things linger for weeks if I don't nip it in the bud. I usually just have to suck it up, but there are also times I genuinely have to be careful about keeping my physical health in a good place. And sometimes that means taking a day here or there, to avoid something worsening.
The only reason I left my last company was because the commute was so long and it was affecting my physical health.
I know people don't know me, and i can just brush it aside some of the critiques, but it's kind of shitty to make broad statements about individuals work ethics and attitude about work without actually understanding the nuance to the situation. To say I'm not some person's 'material' is condescending as hell. It's one thing to recognize a lack of talent for a job/skill/career (like Tim Tebow in baseball), but it's another thing to make some broad judgement about a person's character/work ethic because they communicated an issue wrong. This is not like Yoenis Cespedes going golfing and then not being able to play.
I care deeply about my job, career, and am eager to move up, but I have
to sometimes play it safe to run this marathon.
Anyway, end rant
Oh FFS, STFU.
You must be unbearable at the office.
That's why I was glad to be a small businessman. Corporations/government have to put up with that mentality among their employees, I didn't. That's exactly why socialism will never work.
+1
You shouldn't have told him that much, it's that simple and it sounds like he had some other shit going on and gave you some grief. He's your boss, that's his right, swallow it, show up on your next day and work your tail off. It's a hiccup, no big deal if your review was good, you're conscientious and you get along w your team and others you work with and for. Relax homes, you didn't f his wife, slash his tires or get arrested, you said a few too many words and he didn't like it. Life goes on, you'll be ok dude.
the only thing i can compare what you did is back when i was relatively new at my job id always take either thursday or friday afternoon off for march madness but i would say i had a doctors appointment even though he knew i was a huge college basketball fan. I would try to make up for it but agreeing to work a day i would usually have off instead.
You need to break your own ankle with a fucking crowbar this weekend and show up to work on Monday. It's the only way to get back in your boss's good graces. He's clearly an old school boss who doesn't take time off for employees lightly. You need to earn your sick days and smashing a joint to bits will help.
You'll make earl the gort and bill very proud. Man up, pussy snowflake!
B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.
2. Boss is an ass.
Meanwhile, I cannot relate at all to this story. I have not had a sick day since 1995. If you are not throwing up and not dead... you go to work.
I think everyone's definition of "sick" is just different.
Someone called him up sick and said they think they might be getting sick and have a super important weekend of personal stuff ahead, so they’re going to take a sick day.
He was annoyed by it, and kinda called ‘bullshit’ on the situation.
Sure, maybe it was really a justified absence and the employee’s communication just sucked, but how’s he supposed to know that?
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Maybe a broken wrist will do...
B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.
Strict but fair
I think everyone's definition of "sick" is just different.
This. WTF is a sick day? I think I've had one in 40 years of work.
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Meanwhile, I cannot relate at all to this story. I have not had a sick day since 1995. If you are not throwing up and not dead... you go to work.
I think everyone's definition of "sick" is just different.
This. WTF is a sick day? I think I've had one in 40 years of work.
Same. In fact, I don’t get sick time anymore because we have a cap on hours (all good because what you have counts as service time for retirement).
I think we’re blurring issues here. Nobody, including his boss, begrudges sick time. Nobody, including his boss expects him to come into work if he’s sick.
What he did, whether he meant to or not, is to tell his boss that the job is trivial and is secondary to his leisure time and that taking “I’m almost sick” time is too stay home from work just so he won’t jeopardize that leisure time.
I’m fairly certain that no boss, and likely no co-worker, wants to hear that what they do is unimportant and can be discarded for more primary things like play time. Especially, if he’s paying you he won’t want to hear that you’ll talk the check by shove the job.
YES!
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Maybe a broken wrist will do...
B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.
HandJobs Inc ain't gonna run itself, eh comrade?
I was sick. I implied that I wasn't that sick. The truth is, whether I was full blown sick, or just felt like I could get sick, I was concerned that it could worsen, and I had obligations over the weekend, that I was concerned about but really shouldn't have shared. Bear in mind, I hate going to weddings, and it's not something I am actually looking forward to. I don't consider it fun. But he doesn't know that.
The other point of fact here is that, I have a body (or immune system to be more specific) that lends itself to getting run down. For whatever reason god dealt me a hand that doesn't give me the best stamina at times. I am very aware of the ebbs and flows of my body, and I felt this coming on for a number of days, and I have had instances where things linger for weeks if I don't nip it in the bud. I usually just have to suck it up, but there are also times I genuinely have to be careful about keeping my physical health in a good place. And sometimes that means taking a day here or there, to avoid something worsening.
The only reason I left my last company was because the commute was so long and it was affecting my physical health.
I know people don't know me, and i can just brush it aside some of the critiques, but it's kind of shitty to make broad statements about individuals work ethics and attitude about work without actually understanding the nuance to the situation. To say I'm not some person's 'material' is condescending as hell. It's one thing to recognize a lack of talent for a job/skill/career (like Tim Tebow in baseball), but it's another thing to make some broad judgement about a person's character/work ethic because they communicated an issue wrong. This is not like Yoenis Cespedes going golfing and then not being able to play.
I care deeply about my job, career, and am eager to move up, but I have
to sometimes play it safe to run this marathon.
Anyway, end rant
The issue is you didn't tell your boss you were sick. You told him you felt like you MIGHT be getting sick and had a wedding that you needed to attend this weekend.
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Maybe a broken wrist will do...
B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.
HandJobs Inc ain't gonna run itself, eh comrade?
LOL. Got me good on this one. Savage!
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Maybe a broken wrist will do...
B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.
HandJobs Inc ain't gonna run itself, eh comrade?
LOL. Got me good on this one. Savage!
Damn hoya. Didn't know you were the duper for Billy Boy.
Regardless, your bitch squad is going down tomorrow afternoon in the Dome.
Oi. I'm in my twenties, and I know enough to not tell my boss I'm taking a fake sick day.
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Oi. I'm in my twenties, and I know enough to not tell my boss I'm taking a fake sick day.
hahahaha.
Don't add I have to do X and I have Y. Because then it seems like you are making excuses.
I'm Sick. If I take the conference call, I will have to run to the bathroom in the middle.
We believe you buddy.
I would have stuck with the exploding diarrhea story, that was working, and now you fucked up a perfectly good lie.
but we still believe you.
You should probably link this thread for your boss so he knows you weren't fucking around.
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Maybe a broken wrist will do...
B doesn't have it quite right. My staff could work fine with a broken ankle, but a broken wrist would be problematic. I'd have to see the x-rays, though. Just showing up in cast don't mean shit.
HandJobs Inc ain't gonna run itself, eh comrade?
Not a problem, I'm ambidicksterous
However, I’ve managed large staffs for close to 15 years. It’s really essential for the manager to understand the personalities of his staff.
If you really are in good standing as you suggested, then I’ll come to your defense here a bit - your manager acted like a jerk off. He could have kept it lighter by simply saying “hey no problem...I get it...get some rest and hope you feel better...” And if there really is a problem, address it in person when you get back Monday. It’s a fairly simple read that you were trying to over-justify being out, and wanted to hear him basically say it was okay.
What did the doctor say about working with walking pneumonia?
However, I’ve managed large staffs for close to 15 years. It’s really essential for the manager to understand the personalities of his staff.
If you really are in good standing as you suggested, then I’ll come to your defense here a bit - your manager acted like a jerk off. He could have kept it lighter by simply saying “hey no problem...I get it...get some rest and hope you feel better...” And if there really is a problem, address it in person when you get back Monday. It’s a fairly simple read that you were trying to over-justify being out, and wanted to hear him basically say it was okay.
What did the doctor say about working with walking pneumonia?
Haha. Settle down. Dr. Fill over here waxing poetic with straight Bullshit.
I find myself imagining any of the people I've worked for responding like that, and the only one who may have was a dick.
We’ll see about that! There appears to be a chance that we aren’t that terrible this year.
Should be a good game.
Think less. Post less.
2. Boss is an ass.
Meanwhile, I cannot relate at all to this story. I have not had a sick day since 1995. If you are not throwing up and not dead... you go to work.
I think everyone's definition of "sick" is just different.
Most company's definition of sick is don't come in and get a bunch of other people sick because you have some tough guy streak of coming to work.
Those are the people who come to work sick and get other people sick.
The multiple people end up sick and missing time, thus having a larger negative impact on the company.
I can share it was pretty easy to figure out which employees were really sick when they (rarely) called out, and those who were pussies who needed (regular) sick time, for days when they were feeling a little “less than” and needed to stay home and cuddle with their dog or whatever.
Only you know which category you fall into based on prior work performance. But as others have shared, perception matters, and explaining your staying home because you need to feel better for a weekend is not a good look.
It’s akin to joining everyone for happy hour Thursday, then calling out on Friday. We’d refer to it as a “CLM” - a career limiting move.
Let him hear your commitment directly. Then he’ll hopefully see you as you want to be seen.
I'm not sure what your planned vacation has to do with it though.
Also, for a 6 month period a few "hiccups" is not really insignificant depending on the nature of the "hiccups".
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Regardless, your bitch squad is going down tomorrow afternoon in the Dome.
We’ll see about that! There appears to be a chance that we aren’t that terrible this year.
Should be a good game.
It ended up being a great game. PE has the Hoyas playing really well.
2) I don't agree with those saying it's your time to take. Your office distinguishes sick time from vacation time. You said you weren't really sick, but took a sick day. This isn't about pushing through or not because you weren't really sick. It was about wanting to rest up for the wedding. That's fine...if you take a personal day and don't overshare why. Otherwise, you say you are sick and you take sick time.