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NFT: Astros R handed pitcher Charlie Morton, possibly free agent

idinkido : 12/7/2018 12:14 pm
Morton, last 2 seasons has had really good success with Astros and his win/loss records for those 2 seasons are impressive. Supposively he has a live fastball and his stuff has been described as electric. He's 35 years old and has never pitched many innings per season ( I think less than 150). Would he be a good signing for the Yankees if they can get him on 2 year contract or would you stay with Happ, or go with another option?
I'd take Morton on a one or two year deal  
Greg from LI : 12/7/2018 12:15 pm : link
But he's said he will either re-sign with Houston or retire. We'll see.
RE: I'd take Morton on a one or two year deal  
DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14208440 Greg from LI said:
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But he's said he will either re-sign with Houston or retire. We'll see.


He walked that back and has already spoken to a bunch of teams.
I don't think he's possibly a free agent  
pjcas18 : 12/7/2018 12:20 pm : link
he is a free agent, right?
Aha  
Greg from LI : 12/7/2018 12:20 pm : link
In that case, the Yankees should be talking to him. Severino-Paxton-Tanaka-Morton could be damned good.
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arcarsenal : 12/7/2018 12:20 pm : link
Morton's k-rate has surged in recent years - he's another guy who really re-invented himself. He'd be a great addition on a short term deal, but I'm not sure he's going to leave HOU. I expect him to pitch for at least another year or two - he's coming off the best year of his career. He posted his best k/9 and 2nd best k/bb, so I'd be surprised if he walks away now. But if Houston wants to keep him there, it'll probably be tough to pry him away since he's not a guy who is going to get a ~5 year deal.
And this  
Stan in LA : 12/7/2018 12:22 pm : link
MLB trade rumors: How Yankees can get Indians' Trevor Bauer for ‘bargain price’

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The MLB Winter Meetings begin Monday in Las Vegas, and there will be plenty of trade talk making the hot stove sizzle, with Cleveland Indians right-hander Corey Kluber, Arizona Diamondbacks right-hander Zack Greinke and San Francisco Giants southpaw Madison Bumgarner all on the market.

New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman could be interested in one of those aces, after missing on Patrick Corbin, who went to the Washington Nationals on a six-year, $140 million contract, and Nathan Eovaldi, who returns to the Boston Red Sox with a four-year, $67.5 million contract.

But there’s a pitcher who has been flying under the radar a bit this winter, and it’s one who could make sense for the Yankees.

SNY’s John Harper thinks the Yankees could get Indians right-hander Trevor Bauer at a “bargain price" because Cleveland is looking to slash payroll.

“You can get Bauer cheap,” the exec said. “The catch is that you have to take (Jason) Kipnis' money too. The Yankees might be the only team who would do that -- if they’re not really in on (Manny) Machado or (Bryce) Harper.”

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arcarsenal : 12/7/2018 12:28 pm : link
I'm fine taking Kipnis back but that shouldn't mean Harper/Machado are off the table.
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DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 12:35 pm : link
The Indians are "giving away" Bauer to move Kipnis with 17 million owed? Allow me to call total BS on that one
Kipnis  
DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 12:37 pm : link
2.1 fWAR in 2018. I'm calling total, total BS. Fangraphs has him worth 16.5 million in 2018. Silly.
final 2 years of arb on Bauer should be  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2018 12:43 pm : link
what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.

For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.

You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?

Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?

Could be well worth it.

Lol  
DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 12:43 pm : link
even the last line. The Yankees are the only team in baseball who would take a league average regular for league average prices that brings back a 27 year old SP who just posted 6.1 fWAR? Lol wow.
RE: final 2 years of arb on Bauer should be  
DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14208478 bigbluehoya said:
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.

For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.

You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?

Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?

Could be well worth it.


Kipnis just posted 2.1 fWAR. Now your package isn't "cheap" but the idea Kipnis at 1 year 17 is going to get you Bauer for nada is really very silly. Every single contending team would be in on Bauer if they are giving him away. Who was the last pitcher as good as Bauer given away to take a guy with 1 year left?
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DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 12:46 pm : link
Phillies aren't taking Kipnis to land Bauer for cheap? The Astros? The Dodgers? It's comical.
RE: final 2 years of arb on Bauer should be  
arcarsenal : 12/7/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14208478 bigbluehoya said:
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.

For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.

You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?

Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?

Could be well worth it.


I'm pretty sure if Bauer replicates his 2018, his 2020 arb price will be closer to 20M.
RE: RE: final 2 years of arb on Bauer should be  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14208482 DanMetroMan said:
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.

For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.

You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?

Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?

Could be well worth it.




Kipnis just posted 2.1 fWAR. Now your package isn't "cheap" but the idea Kipnis at 1 year 17 is going to get you Bauer for nada is really very silly. Every single contending team would be in on Bauer if they are giving him away. Who was the last pitcher as good as Bauer given away to take a guy with 1 year left?


I agree with the absurdity of the report. My proposed package may very well still be light. I don't think it's absurd...everyone seems to think highly of Loaisiga. Maybe more of an opening bid than the ultimate price that gets the deal done.
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DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14208489 bigbluehoya said:
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.

For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.

You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?

Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?

Could be well worth it.




Kipnis just posted 2.1 fWAR. Now your package isn't "cheap" but the idea Kipnis at 1 year 17 is going to get you Bauer for nada is really very silly. Every single contending team would be in on Bauer if they are giving him away. Who was the last pitcher as good as Bauer given away to take a guy with 1 year left?



I agree with the absurdity of the report. My proposed package may very well still be light. I don't think it's absurd...everyone seems to think highly of Loaisiga. Maybe more of an opening bid than the ultimate price that gets the deal done.


To be clear I'm taking issue with the report not your deal. "Every" big team would be in on Bauer if the talent price was much lower thanks to Kipnis. This isn't even Cano where it's a good player with long years.
RE: RE: final 2 years of arb on Bauer should be  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2018 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14208485 arcarsenal said:
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.

For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.

You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?

Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?

Could be well worth it.




I'm pretty sure if Bauer replicates his 2018, his 2020 arb price will be closer to 20M.


I believe the Arb record for a SP was David Price and it was still below $20. And if memory serves he was a super 2, so there was some additional weirdness that caused him to get more in arb than most (I'm not super well-versed in those complexities).

I think Scherzer only got like $15M or so in his final year of Arb.
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arcarsenal : 12/7/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14208495 bigbluehoya said:
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.

For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.

You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?

Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?

Could be well worth it.




I'm pretty sure if Bauer replicates his 2018, his 2020 arb price will be closer to 20M.



I believe the Arb record for a SP was David Price and it was still below $20. And if memory serves he was a super 2, so there was some additional weirdness that caused him to get more in arb than most (I'm not super well-versed in those complexities).

I think Scherzer only got like $15M or so in his final year of Arb.


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Of course, if Bauer does replicate or even improve upon his 6.1 WAR from 2018 in the coming year, his price tag for 2020 -- his final arbitration season before free agency -- will be substantial. And Bauer has already made it known publicly that he intends to sign one-year contracts in free agency at max value, which means there is very little chance of him remaining with the Indians in '21.

"In 2020," said Bauer, "when my salary raises up to like the $20 million range, then the surplus value isn't nearly as much. And they're most likely not going to be able to sign me in free agency, even on one-year deals. So it would make sense to trade me and get some prospects in return."

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bigbluehoya : 12/7/2018 1:09 pm : link
thanks for the link. $12M does sound light...probably more like his Arb2 year than Arb3.
and I feel like I say this about everything  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2018 1:16 pm : link
(because I do), but further proof that Kluber's contract is re-goddamned-diculously a steal.

get me some klubesssss
Dan, Kipnis stinks  
Greg from LI : 12/7/2018 1:16 pm : link
I don't care what his fWAR is. He'll be 32 next year and has been a garbage hitter for two years now (.232/.291/.414, .230/.315/.389). Now I agree that it's questionable that Cleveland would accept a weak deal for a pitcher just to offload the last year of Kipnis' contract, but it has nothing to do with what some formula says his value is. He sucks.
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arcarsenal : 12/7/2018 1:17 pm : link
No prob - more interesting, and something I actually wasn't aware of was his plan to keep taking 1 year deals as a free agent @ max value. I wonder if that'll work out or if he'll be able to follow through on it once his arb years are up. Sort of a risky strategy but if he's confident enough in maintaining his form for a while, I suppose he'd benefit. I'd guess that most offseasons, there will be at least one team more than happy to spend 20M+ on a 1 year commit for a TOR pitcher - but I could see there being a scenario where he has trouble finding a suitor. Especially if he has a down year.

He's certainly not a conventional guy...
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arcarsenal : 12/7/2018 1:19 pm : link
Kluber just seems so much safer. The salary control is better on him, and I still think he will outperform Bauer over the next 3-4 seasons.

I'm all for a deal that gets Kluber here.

Still think dealing Andujar in a Kluber deal and nabbing Machado in the process makes a ton of sense.
yep.....it's just such an obvious fit  
Greg from LI : 12/7/2018 1:39 pm : link
The only thing left would be to find a fill in middle infielder until Didi returns.
RE: yep.....it's just such an obvious fit  
superspynyg : 12/7/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14208554 Greg from LI said:
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The only thing left would be to find a fill in middle infielder until Didi returns.


Kipnis would play 2b while Torres to SS. Kipnis is owed 16.5 mil for 2019 and has a buy out of 2.5 mil for 2020. I can live with that to get Bauer.
RE: Dan, Kipnis stinks  
DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14208530 Greg from LI said:
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I don't care what his fWAR is. He'll be 32 next year and has been a garbage hitter for two years now (.232/.291/.414, .230/.315/.389). Now I agree that it's questionable that Cleveland would accept a weak deal for a pitcher just to offload the last year of Kipnis' contract, but it has nothing to do with what some formula says his value is. He sucks.


His sucking is beyond the point. It's 1 season. It's not a Cano situation where he has 3-4-5 years. 17 million to move a 27 year old ace with years of control? Every single "good" team would be in. Every single one. Even the cheap Mets.
RE: RE: yep.....it's just such an obvious fit  
superspynyg : 12/7/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14208576 superspynyg said:
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The only thing left would be to find a fill in middle infielder until Didi returns.



Kipnis would play 2b while Torres to SS. Kipnis is owed 16.5 mil for 2019 and has a buy out of 2.5 mil for 2020. I can live with that to get Bauer.


or Kluber
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DanMetroMan : 12/7/2018 1:53 pm : link
Astros lost McCullers and likely Kuechel. They are going to pass on Bauer for 17 to Kipnis? The Phillies are willing to spend like sailors and missed out on Corbin. Theo wouldn't do it? I mean the premise is absurd. When was the last time a team traded a top young SP to off-load.. 1 year of a player?
I would pass on Bauer  
The 12th Man : 12/7/2018 3:01 pm : link
he is not liked in the clubhouse by many players, his personality is not a good fit for the reporters of NY. Her would get eaten alive here.
Jim Bowden really going out on a limb here  
Greg from LI : 12/7/2018 3:34 pm : link
Got an alert from the CBS Sports app: "Bryce Harper and/or Manny Machado ink deal with either Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs, or Phillies next week, Jim Bowden predicts."
RE: Jim Bowden really going out on a limb here  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14208681 Greg from LI said:
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Got an alert from the CBS Sports app: "Bryce Harper and/or Manny Machado ink deal with either Dodgers, Yanks, Cubs, or Phillies next week, Jim Bowden predicts."

Wow what a bold prediction. What's his next prediction? Bryce Harper will not sign with the Rays or Marlins?
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Jay on the Island : 12/7/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14208468 DanMetroMan said:
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The Indians are "giving away" Bauer to move Kipnis with 17 million owed? Allow me to call total BS on that one

That is absurd, The Braves called about Kluber but turned down the Indians asking price of Christian Pache, Kyle Wright, and Touki Toussaint. They would jump at the chance to get Bauer for cheap by acquiring Kipnis as part of the package.
who reported that ask?  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2018 4:31 pm : link
it's a haul for sure.

TBH, if I had Kluber on that contract, I'd be asking for that much, too.
RE: RE: yep.....it's just such an obvious fit  
rich in DC : 12/8/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 14208576 superspynyg said:
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The only thing left would be to find a fill in middle infielder until Didi returns.



Kipnis would play 2b while Torres to SS. Kipnis is owed 16.5 mil for 2019 and has a buy out of 2.5 mil for 2020. I can live with that to get Bauer.


Don't forget that since this is the last season of the multi-year contract Kipnis signed, while whoever he plays for would pay him $16.5 in cash, for luxury tax purposes, his AVV (the number used to compute the luxury tax for each player) is only $8.75.

That is very reasonable for luxury tax- and for the Yanks, that would matter.

Honestly, he hasn't hit for a few years now and his defense isn't great. I think he would serve best as a utility guy who can cover 2B and the OF, as well as be a PH. While he used to have very good SB speed, that has mostly vanished- but he is still a decent baserunner, so he could be a late inning PR for the slow guys (Sanchez, Bird, Voit, etc.)
I would only go  
Carson53 : 12/8/2018 12:58 pm : link
one year on Morton, had injury plagued season last year,
and he's not getting any younger. I would try to get Happ,
and see what else is out there, then go back if need be.
I doubt he winds up here though. They need a couple relievers as well.
RE: RE: I'd take Morton on a one or two year deal  
Carson53 : 12/8/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14208444 DanMetroMan said:
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But he's said he will either re-sign with Houston or retire. We'll see.



He walked that back and has already spoken to a bunch of teams.
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Some don't keep up with the news that well apparently.
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