Morton, last 2 seasons has had really good success with Astros and his win/loss records for those 2 seasons are impressive. Supposively he has a live fastball and his stuff has been described as electric. He's 35 years old and has never pitched many innings per season ( I think less than 150). Would he be a good signing for the Yankees if they can get him on 2 year contract or would you stay with Happ, or go with another option?
He walked that back and has already spoken to a bunch of teams.
New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman could be interested in one of those aces, after missing on Patrick Corbin, who went to the Washington Nationals on a six-year, $140 million contract, and Nathan Eovaldi, who returns to the Boston Red Sox with a four-year, $67.5 million contract.
But there’s a pitcher who has been flying under the radar a bit this winter, and it’s one who could make sense for the Yankees.
SNY’s John Harper thinks the Yankees could get Indians right-hander Trevor Bauer at a “bargain price" because Cleveland is looking to slash payroll.
“You can get Bauer cheap,” the exec said. “The catch is that you have to take (Jason) Kipnis' money too. The Yankees might be the only team who would do that -- if they’re not really in on (Manny) Machado or (Bryce) Harper.”
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For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.
You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?
Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?
Could be well worth it.
For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.
You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?
Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?
Could be well worth it.
Kipnis just posted 2.1 fWAR. Now your package isn't "cheap" but the idea Kipnis at 1 year 17 is going to get you Bauer for nada is really very silly. Every single contending team would be in on Bauer if they are giving him away. Who was the last pitcher as good as Bauer given away to take a guy with 1 year left?
For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.
You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?
Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?
Could be well worth it.
I'm pretty sure if Bauer replicates his 2018, his 2020 arb price will be closer to 20M.
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.
For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.
You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?
Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?
Could be well worth it.
Kipnis just posted 2.1 fWAR. Now your package isn't "cheap" but the idea Kipnis at 1 year 17 is going to get you Bauer for nada is really very silly. Every single contending team would be in on Bauer if they are giving him away. Who was the last pitcher as good as Bauer given away to take a guy with 1 year left?
I agree with the absurdity of the report. My proposed package may very well still be light. I don't think it's absurd...everyone seems to think highly of Loaisiga. Maybe more of an opening bid than the ultimate price that gets the deal done.
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.
For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.
You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?
Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?
Could be well worth it.
Kipnis just posted 2.1 fWAR. Now your package isn't "cheap" but the idea Kipnis at 1 year 17 is going to get you Bauer for nada is really very silly. Every single contending team would be in on Bauer if they are giving him away. Who was the last pitcher as good as Bauer given away to take a guy with 1 year left?
I agree with the absurdity of the report. My proposed package may very well still be light. I don't think it's absurd...everyone seems to think highly of Loaisiga. Maybe more of an opening bid than the ultimate price that gets the deal done.
To be clear I'm taking issue with the report not your deal. "Every" big team would be in on Bauer if the talent price was much lower thanks to Kipnis. This isn't even Cano where it's a good player with long years.
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.
For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.
You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?
Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?
Could be well worth it.
I'm pretty sure if Bauer replicates his 2018, his 2020 arb price will be closer to 20M.
I believe the Arb record for a SP was David Price and it was still below $20. And if memory serves he was a super 2, so there was some additional weirdness that caused him to get more in arb than most (I'm not super well-versed in those complexities).
I think Scherzer only got like $15M or so in his final year of Arb.
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what, about $9M and $12M, or so? 2 years $21M.
For the sake of simplicity assume that Kipnis on-field value is zero. so you're turning Bauer into a 2 years $38M player. It's low risk on term, but it's not cheap.
You definitely still need to give them stuff back. But maybe that brings it to a point where you're not losing an Andujar or a Florial?
Bauer and Kipnis for something like Frazier + Loaisiga + Whitlock?
Could be well worth it.
I'm pretty sure if Bauer replicates his 2018, his 2020 arb price will be closer to 20M.
I believe the Arb record for a SP was David Price and it was still below $20. And if memory serves he was a super 2, so there was some additional weirdness that caused him to get more in arb than most (I'm not super well-versed in those complexities).
I think Scherzer only got like $15M or so in his final year of Arb.
"In 2020," said Bauer, "when my salary raises up to like the $20 million range, then the surplus value isn't nearly as much. And they're most likely not going to be able to sign me in free agency, even on one-year deals. So it would make sense to trade me and get some prospects in return."
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get me some klubesssss
He's certainly not a conventional guy...
I'm all for a deal that gets Kluber here.
Still think dealing Andujar in a Kluber deal and nabbing Machado in the process makes a ton of sense.
Kipnis would play 2b while Torres to SS. Kipnis is owed 16.5 mil for 2019 and has a buy out of 2.5 mil for 2020. I can live with that to get Bauer.
His sucking is beyond the point. It's 1 season. It's not a Cano situation where he has 3-4-5 years. 17 million to move a 27 year old ace with years of control? Every single "good" team would be in. Every single one. Even the cheap Mets.
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The only thing left would be to find a fill in middle infielder until Didi returns.
Kipnis would play 2b while Torres to SS. Kipnis is owed 16.5 mil for 2019 and has a buy out of 2.5 mil for 2020. I can live with that to get Bauer.
or Kluber
Wow what a bold prediction. What's his next prediction? Bryce Harper will not sign with the Rays or Marlins?
That is absurd, The Braves called about Kluber but turned down the Indians asking price of Christian Pache, Kyle Wright, and Touki Toussaint. They would jump at the chance to get Bauer for cheap by acquiring Kipnis as part of the package.
TBH, if I had Kluber on that contract, I'd be asking for that much, too.
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The only thing left would be to find a fill in middle infielder until Didi returns.
Kipnis would play 2b while Torres to SS. Kipnis is owed 16.5 mil for 2019 and has a buy out of 2.5 mil for 2020. I can live with that to get Bauer.
Don't forget that since this is the last season of the multi-year contract Kipnis signed, while whoever he plays for would pay him $16.5 in cash, for luxury tax purposes, his AVV (the number used to compute the luxury tax for each player) is only $8.75.
That is very reasonable for luxury tax- and for the Yanks, that would matter.
Honestly, he hasn't hit for a few years now and his defense isn't great. I think he would serve best as a utility guy who can cover 2B and the OF, as well as be a PH. While he used to have very good SB speed, that has mostly vanished- but he is still a decent baserunner, so he could be a late inning PR for the slow guys (Sanchez, Bird, Voit, etc.)
and he's not getting any younger. I would try to get Happ,
and see what else is out there, then go back if need be.
I doubt he winds up here though. They need a couple relievers as well.
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But he's said he will either re-sign with Houston or retire. We'll see.
He walked that back and has already spoken to a bunch of teams.
Some don't keep up with the news that well apparently.