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At their peak: Amani, Plaxico, or Hakeem?

Diversify yo bonds : 12/7/2018 12:57 pm
Just for discussion. One season. Who is your pick at split end / x receiver?
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Cruz, hehe. OFC.  
idiotsavant : 12/7/2018 3:05 pm : link
But, Plex vs Tommer is close but goes to Plex.

When I first read the question  
Fred-in-Florida : 12/7/2018 3:07 pm : link
I immediately jump at Plax. But the more I think about it Nicks was better and more consistent, just not as shall I say flamboyant. Plax seemed to always come down with the contested/jump ball.

I have the Hicks poster, they gave out after a game a few years back, hangin' in may garage.
RE: its between Plaxico and Hakeem  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/7/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14208506 Dinger said:
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Plaxico was all height. Hakeem had hands and moves. I think he was more of a YAC receiver than Plax, but plax in the corner was almost as lock down as Mariano....

God taught Mariano the cut fastball. It's the only rational explanation, dude was an absolute freak.
Burress  
since1925 : 12/7/2018 3:34 pm : link
Simply a unique player.
at their peak...  
BillKo : 12/7/2018 3:37 pm : link
...I'm going Plax just due to size and the advantage he had that way. Boxing out, and leaping ability......plus underrated speed.

Career as a whole, it's not close......Toomer.
RE: RE: RE: Also interesting  
JOrthman : 12/7/2018 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14208632 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14208607 JOrthman said:


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In comment 14208523 Leg of Theismann said:


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Is that Toomer actually had the best best season of them all. 82 rec, 1343 yards, 8 TDs (in 2002).

And yet not a single trip to Hawaii between all three of them. Now that is straight up robbery.



I don't think it's robbery, Giants fans really overrate our WR's. Probably because we never had any for years.



Toomer absolutely was robbed in 2002 - Marty Booker made it over him with 97-1189-6 versus Toomer's 82-1343-8. Toomer wasn't even the alternate, Donald Driver was, also with an inferior season to Toomer's (70-1064-9).


I agree on that year with Toomer.
Toomer  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/7/2018 3:54 pm : link
100 Madden awareness rating sideline catches.
Homer Jones  
x meadowlander : 12/7/2018 4:02 pm : link
I know, ancient history, but he was a weapon. Unmatched speed.
Plax  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/7/2018 4:06 pm : link
you cannot teach the height that he had. He was also an Eagle KILLER.
RE: I'm going to be the contrarian and say Toomer  
bw in dc : 12/7/2018 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14208612 CMicks3110 said:
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he was 6'3" 209 LBs and ran a 4.4; smooth route runner, great hands, and played during a time before the passing offenses truly exploded. His quarterbacks included Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell, Kerry Collins, Jesse Palmer, and a very young Eli and still had had 5 straight seasons with 1000 yards is impresive; Burress was on NYG for 4 years, and had 2 good seasons. Nicks also had 2 seasons with 1000 yards with Eli in his prime, and a bunch of other major weapons around him. I think Amani's 2002 season he was unguardable.


Really good post here. The point about Toomer's QB woes is spot on.

Tim Brown was better than Toomer, but he dealt with a similar situation during almost his entire career. People forget how great Brown and how much more spectacular his production would have been with a QB of greater stature.

I'm glad DeAndre Hopkins now has Watson because he was destined for a similar career. He's a great, great player.
RE: RE: I'm going to be the contrarian and say Toomer  
Go Terps : 12/7/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14208709 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14208612 CMicks3110 said:


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he was 6'3" 209 LBs and ran a 4.4; smooth route runner, great hands, and played during a time before the passing offenses truly exploded. His quarterbacks included Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell, Kerry Collins, Jesse Palmer, and a very young Eli and still had had 5 straight seasons with 1000 yards is impresive; Burress was on NYG for 4 years, and had 2 good seasons. Nicks also had 2 seasons with 1000 yards with Eli in his prime, and a bunch of other major weapons around him. I think Amani's 2002 season he was unguardable.



Really good post here. The point about Toomer's QB woes is spot on.

Tim Brown was better than Toomer, but he dealt with a similar situation during almost his entire career. People forget how great Brown and how much more spectacular his production would have been with a QB of greater stature.

I'm glad DeAndre Hopkins now has Watson because he was destined for a similar career. He's a great, great player.


Hopkins is the best in the league. Really great to watch play.
Last 8 games  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/7/2018 4:24 pm : link
in the 2002 season Toomer was un-coverable.

He was the best WR in the NFL during that span. He was also playing with Daryl Jones on the other side.
Plax -- JUST FOR THE EAGLES  
David B. : 12/7/2018 5:27 pm : link
The only time the Giants consistently beat the Eagles was with Plax, and they haven't beat them much since.
Nicks  
bradshaw44 : 12/7/2018 5:29 pm : link
By a hair over Plax. And that hair is for character. He was a quiet guy that did his job superbly until injury ruined him.
Hard to choose, really.  
Brown Recluse : 12/7/2018 5:32 pm : link
Toomer was stuck with shitty QB’s for most of his career. He probably would have looked a lot better with Eli throwing him the ball in his prime. I know the sexy pick is probably Burress, and Nicks is a fan favorite, but Toomer was the most complete WR prior to Beckham.
Nicks for me  
JoeFootball : 12/7/2018 5:49 pm : link
And we only got to see him just entering his prime before the injury in the Tampa game in 2012. Consistently beat one on one coverage against top corners. I will give Plax credit for being a really good run blocker which helped Tiki spring some of those big runs.
Nicks for me  
AD-Blaze : 12/7/2018 6:14 pm : link
Especially if we’re talking about the Nicks from the 2011 playoff run. That was unreal.
I think  
darren in pdx : 12/7/2018 6:26 pm : link
if Nicks didn’t have his career shortened he might have been clear #1 over Plax, a couple more seasons under his belt as a seasoned vet, he was getting towards all-pro caliber play..but Eli and Plax was a deadly combo.

Some older BBI’ers will remember the ‘All Day Baby’ and speedlines..or was it All Year Baby?
This is a great post  
zxasqw12 : 12/7/2018 6:36 pm : link
Contested ball: Plax
Sideline catch: Toomer
Move the chains/must-have third down: Nicks
Plax was a weapon for certain and lethal in one-on-ones  
Jimmy Googs : 12/7/2018 6:37 pm : link
but I thought Nicks was more well-rounded, better going over the middle, more reliable hands, and mature...

RE: RE: I'm going to be the contrarian and say Toomer  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/7/2018 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14208709 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14208612 CMicks3110 said:


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he was 6'3" 209 LBs and ran a 4.4; smooth route runner, great hands, and played during a time before the passing offenses truly exploded. His quarterbacks included Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell, Kerry Collins, Jesse Palmer, and a very young Eli and still had had 5 straight seasons with 1000 yards is impresive; Burress was on NYG for 4 years, and had 2 good seasons. Nicks also had 2 seasons with 1000 yards with Eli in his prime, and a bunch of other major weapons around him. I think Amani's 2002 season he was unguardable.



Really good post here. The point about Toomer's QB woes is spot on.

Tim Brown was better than Toomer, but he dealt with a similar situation during almost his entire career. People forget how great Brown and how much more spectacular his production would have been with a QB of greater stature.

I'm glad DeAndre Hopkins now has Watson because he was destined for a similar career. He's a great, great player.

Andre Johnson had a hof career with a bunch of "QBs" wobbling ducks his way.
Toomer in 2002  
KWALL2 : 12/7/2018 7:07 pm : link
He had Barber and Shockey and both were much better. Toomer was a distant 3rd on that team for defenses to worry about.

Out of these 3, Nicks is the easy answer.

Cruz should be on the list. At his best? I’d take him over Plac and easily take him over Toomer..
Another vote for Nicks, 2011 playoff run vintage  
mfsd : 12/7/2018 7:12 pm : link
IMO he was a combo of Toomer + Burress, in his all too short prime

Fun idea to debate, and as evidenced by all the opinions here I think we’d agree it’s a close debate.

Prime Toomer is underrated IMO
Hakeem  
BSIMatt : 12/7/2018 7:53 pm : link
He was one of my favorites, sad how his career took a turn.
This an easy one for me  
bigfish703 : 12/7/2018 8:05 pm : link
First, comparing the three is like comparing apples to oranges and pears. They were different kinds of receivers. Give me Plax in the red zone. He was unstoppable there. If you needed a bomb it was Amani and for tough gritty catches 20 yards or so down field, Hakeem was best.

It is difficult to compare athletes of different eras too, but I go back to a guy named Homer Jones who was suberb at getting behind the defense and catching long passes. I go back even further, to Bill Swiacki, who played collegiate ball at Columbia, and then starred for the Giants. He had sticky fingers and I never saw him drop a ball.
In 2011 games versus Green Bay  
Jimmy Googs : 12/7/2018 8:10 pm : link
both regular season and playoffs, Nicks was a monster. I recall one TD catch in the regular season game where he won a contested red zone catch...tremendous.

Plax had a big day against them too in playoffs in 2008
Toomer was not great his first 3 or 4 years IIRC......  
Simms11 : 12/7/2018 8:31 pm : link
He worked on his craft and became a great receiver, truly reliable. I loved his sideline catches tapping his toes in. Cannot even cover those throws. The back shoulder fade was another great pass Toomer excelled in catching and became a staple in the offense. Plax was uncoverable, the same could be said for OBJs first few years, as well. Plax, Toomer and Smith were a fantastic trio of receivers, as well as Nicks, Cruz and Manningham. Nicks was also a fantastic receiver for his few years of health. I have to give it to Plax IMO. He could not be covered and killed the Eagles and other NFC East foes.

Lastly, our luck with exceptional receivers has not been good as far as longevity. I hope that changes soon for us, especially after OBJ broke his ankle last year. So far he still appears to be a very good route runner and receiver. Only thing I see missing in his game is the explosiveness. He used to be capable of taking a slant and outrunning the Defense.
At their peaks  
NYG07 : 12/7/2018 8:41 pm : link
I would say Nicks was the best overall player but if you asked me to take one for a single game I think I would take Plax. He was a matchup nightmare. Before Eli entered his prime he was often bailed out by just lobbing it up to Burress.
My favorite  
Gmanfandan : 12/7/2018 9:07 pm : link
When they were playing - Hicks- My favorite in retrospect- Toomer - But the answer to the question is Plaxico.
RE: My favorite  
mrvax : 12/7/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14208893 Gmanfandan said:
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When they were playing - Hicks- My favorite in retrospect- Toomer - But the answer to the question is Plaxico.


I believe you mean Nicks, not Hicks.
Another vote for Nicks  
bluepepper : 12/7/2018 10:27 pm : link
he was on his way to elite status. Toomer was never really close to that. Plax was great but wasn't the big play threat that Nicks was. Hakeem and Cruz were a helluva combo. Damned shame we only got one season of them together. Of course that was more than we ever got of OBJ and Cruz. Still riles me up the way we got ravaged by injuries at WR. That's one of the positions where it's realistic to expect guys to have long careers. Not for the Giants though.
RE: Nicks was establishing himself as a top 5 WR  
Skully88 : 12/7/2018 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14208591 Jay on the Island said:
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right up until that Tampa game where Talib stepped on his ankle/foot. He was never the same after that. Nicks was on his way towards a monster season that year.


This.
Plex!  
King Quis : 12/7/2018 10:47 pm : link
He was a top 5 receiver in 07 he’d be my guy
nicks  
hassan : 12/7/2018 10:48 pm : link
in 2010 and 2011 was a monster player for NYG. Better than Plax. his playoff run in 11 was all time great. he’s the vote winner here to me.

plax was very good in 05 and 07 but not on level of nicks.

toomer was a solid player and more consistent but not as good as either of the other two at peak.
I remember Toomer being near the top in 2002  
Banks : 12/8/2018 12:07 am : link
but forgot he was an incredibly poorly officiated eagles finale from leading the NFC in yards. Him and Collins should have made the pro bowl that year.

RK...Player..................Rec.....Yds.....Avg.....TD......20+.....40+
1.......Randy.Moss.......106.....1,347...12.7.......7.......19......6
2.......Amani.Toomer....82......1,343...16.4.......8.......24......4
3.......Joe.Horn.............88......1,312...14.9.......7.......19......6
4.......Torry.Holt...........91......1,302...14.3.......4.......17......3
5.......Terrell.Owens....100.....1,300...13.........13......17......5
6.......Koren.Robinson..78......1,240...15.9.......5.......19......4
7.......Marty.Booker......97......1,189...12.3.......6.......20......3
8.......Keysh.Johnson....76......1,088...14.3.......5.......14......1
9.......Isaac.Bruce.........79......1,075...13.6.......7.......20......0
10......Donald.Driver....70......1,064...15.2.......9.......15......3
Burress was actually a great run blocker  
widmerseyebrow : 12/8/2018 2:37 am : link
Eli hadn’t really peaked as a passer with Burress. Peak Burress would be tough to pass on for one game only.

For a season though I think I’d go peak Nicks. Pre injury he was a tough cover for anybody.

I love Toomer and he was robbed 2002, but it’s hard to ignore his first Super Bowl as the #1.
Burress was a great downfield blocker  
Jimmy Googs : 12/8/2018 7:36 am : link
I always enjoyed seeing that from a WR.

good comment above...
I was coming to post that  
Daniel in MI : 12/8/2018 8:35 am : link
Plax was a good and willing blocker on top of all his receiving, but these guys beat me to it.
They re all great Giants and  
joeinpa : 12/8/2018 8:36 am : link
Champions, I can’t pick one.

And while I m not surprised that Toomer seems to be a distant third in the consensus here, fans are often enamored with great physical attributes in athletes, I disagree with the consensus.

Toomer made as many big plays as the other two, maybe more.

But they were all great players, hard to make a mistake taking in choosing one
Plax  
Joey in VA : 12/8/2018 9:29 am : link
And I don't have to think about it for a second. Even covered, 6-5 is open. His downfield blocking was devastating from the WR position and he showed up huge in big games.
RE: Plax  
Rick5 : 12/8/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 14209009 Joey in VA said:
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And I don't have to think about it for a second. Even covered, 6-5 is open. His downfield blocking was devastating from the WR position and he showed up huge in big games.

+1
I don't think we ever got to see "Peak Nicks",  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/8/2018 11:21 am : link
He began dealing with serious leg issues at 22. At that age, Burress and Toomer hadn't caught their first professional pass. By 24, he was basically finished. When Toomer and Plax were 24, they were wearing out their respective welcomes in NY and Pittsburgh.
Nicks - he bitched the best CBs, played big and was best in playoffs  
TD : 12/8/2018 11:33 am : link
His peak was shorter than the others and he lost games to injury even within that peak but even still his numbers were as good as the others in his prime, better in the playoffs and he owned all of his CB matchups. I always had faith he would show up and dominate like the stud WR he was.

He averaged 7/111/1 in the 2011 playoff run. Straight Baller.

Damn shame his career got cut short.

Overall career best was Toomer.
Good question...  
trueblueinpw : 12/8/2018 1:10 pm : link
Plaxico for me. Could not be covered, made big plays all over the field, blocked, he was a special player who made special plays on special days. And after the big game you could count on him to be packing heat in case anyone gets all up in my juray at da club.
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Danny Kanell : 12/8/2018 3:05 pm : link
I think peak Nicks tops peak Plaxico. Toomer was never on the same planet as those 2.
Plax wasn’t unstoppable in Red Zone  
KWALL2 : 12/8/2018 3:59 pm : link
Throughout his career from PIT to NYG he was terrible on fade routes. He was big but not a good leaper. Used his body well, very good on slants but terrible on jump balls especially on fades.
Plax  
PaulN : 12/8/2018 9:08 pm : link
Easily.
Just for discussion. One season. Who is your pick at split end / x rec  
Jim in NH : 12/8/2018 9:44 pm : link
Homer Jones
RE: Plax wasn’t unstoppable in Red Zone  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/8/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14209309 KWALL2 said:
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Throughout his career from PIT to NYG he was terrible on fade routes. He was big but not a good leaper. Used his body well, very good on slants but terrible on jump balls especially on fades.


I think the problem behind that is throughout his tenure here, that was the go-to move in the redzone and every defense knew it was coming. It's hard to defend 6'5, but it's less hard when every defensive coach knows that's what you're going to try first.
Slants are counter to the fade  
crick n NC : 12/9/2018 8:39 am : link
I remember Burress scoring on quite a few slants in his time here. Perhaps my memory isn't so good at forty though.
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