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NFT: UFC 231 Holloway-Ortega

GiantGrit : 12/7/2018 8:45 pm
Who ya got? Really love watching MMA lately, hard to make BS rules (cough cough football) that water it down. I think Ortega either wins impressively or gets exposed but i'm not very knowledgeable on the sport.

Anyone partake in a mixed martial art? Recommend one in particular?
I'm leaning Ortega  
RAIN : 12/7/2018 8:50 pm : link
with the surgical BJJ/ground game.

Fight could go either way though, both big fighters for their weight class, one is the Elitl striker and is a relentless worker with toughness [Holloway-the champ] and the other has very good standup(he finished Frankie Edgar with strikes)and world class BJJ.

Should be a great battle.

spend $15 a month  
B in ALB : 12/7/2018 10:16 pm : link
and get a Pro Flowsrestling subscription. Better than the horseshit they're parading out for UFC these days. Garbage product.
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I am Ninja : 12/7/2018 10:27 pm : link
I like Ortega.

I feel like Stylebender is most unbeatable right now.
RE: spend $15 a month  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/7/2018 11:26 pm : link
In comment 14208916 B in ALB said:
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and get a Pro Flowsrestling subscription. Better than the horseshit they're parading out for UFC these days. Garbage product.


Disagree to a point. Issue is some of the bigger cards. Where guys fight not to lose. Or the lame WWE style fight cards. I get the anger but WME wants it’s investment back. Be smart on which cards you watch. The top two fights on this card are as legit as it gets. And if you don’t think Ortega Vs Holloway is a great fight then I’m not sure what you want to see.

Just watch on Reddit instead of being sucked in every PPV. Also don’t think most casuals are going to enjoy flow wrestling.
Ortega looks awesome.  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/7/2018 11:28 pm : link
But as much as I have Love for Frankie as he’s trained by one of my friends but I think he’s on the decent. He was a small LW And has been in a lot of wars. One thing for sure. Ortega’s BJJ is really slick. Great main event. Card is light after the two title fights for casuals but Ifs going to be a fun card IMO
RE: RE: spend $15 a month  
B in ALB : 12/7/2018 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14208944 LauderdaleMatty said:
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and get a Pro Flowsrestling subscription. Better than the horseshit they're parading out for UFC these days. Garbage product.



Disagree to a point. Issue is some of the bigger cards. Where guys fight not to lose. Or the lame WWE style fight cards. I get the anger but WME wants it’s investment back. Be smart on which cards you watch. The top two fights on this card are as legit as it gets. And if you don’t think Ortega Vs Holloway is a great fight then I’m not sure what you want to see.

Just watch on Reddit instead of being sucked in every PPV. Also don’t think most casuals are going to enjoy flow wrestling.


I hear you Matty. I'm a wrestling fan so the college and high school matches are great for me. My son wrestles in HS and is ranked now, so it's something we enjoy together. I'll take it over UFC all day. That's not to say I don't appreciate MMA - but the current product has jumped to unwatchable reality TV lately.
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GiantGrit : 12/8/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 14208921 I am Ninja said:
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I like Ortega.

I feel like Stylebender is most unbeatable right now.


Stylebender is a FREAK but the Silva does nothing for me.
RE: RE: spend $15 a month  
GiantGrit : 12/8/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 14208944 LauderdaleMatty said:
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and get a Pro Flowsrestling subscription. Better than the horseshit they're parading out for UFC these days. Garbage product.



Disagree to a point. Issue is some of the bigger cards. Where guys fight not to lose. Or the lame WWE style fight cards. I get the anger but WME wants it’s investment back. Be smart on which cards you watch. The top two fights on this card are as legit as it gets. And if you don’t think Ortega Vs Holloway is a great fight then I’m not sure what you want to see.

Just watch on Reddit instead of being sucked in every PPV. Also don’t think most casuals are going to enjoy flow wrestling.


Keep an eye on Bellator, they've been acquiring some decent fighters. Would love to see multiple organizations become really successful so we can get unification bouts.
RE: spend $15 a month  
GiantGrit : 12/8/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 14208916 B in ALB said:
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and get a Pro Flowsrestling subscription. Better than the horseshit they're parading out for UFC these days. Garbage product.


You familiar with Lethwei?
I think Holloway keeps his title  
SimpleMan : 12/8/2018 11:59 am : link
Ortega has not faced anyone of Max's caliber yet. Holloway dominated his past few fights, making Aldo look silly in 2. But I like both these guys so wouldn't mind seeing Ortega win either. Living in Hawaii though I have to pull for Holloway.
RE: I think Holloway keeps his title  
GiantGrit : 12/8/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14209070 SimpleMan said:
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Ortega has not faced anyone of Max's caliber yet. Holloway dominated his past few fights, making Aldo look silly in 2. But I like both these guys so wouldn't mind seeing Ortega win either. Living in Hawaii though I have to pull for Holloway.


Holloway's chin and cardio are crazy. I want to see him fight Mcgregor again.
RE: RE: I think Holloway keeps his title  
SimpleMan : 12/8/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14209087 GiantGrit said:
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Ortega has not faced anyone of Max's caliber yet. Holloway dominated his past few fights, making Aldo look silly in 2. But I like both these guys so wouldn't mind seeing Ortega win either. Living in Hawaii though I have to pull for Holloway.



Holloway's chin and cardio are crazy. I want to see him fight Mcgregor again.


I would also love to see that, and it could definitely happen if/when Holloway moves up to 155 pounds. Sounds only like a matter of time before he does that.
Total casual here but have been  
jpkmets : 12/8/2018 6:19 pm : link
enjoying MMA more lately. Worth a buy?
RE: RE: RE: spend $15 a month  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/8/2018 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14208950 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14208916 B in ALB said:


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and get a Pro Flowsrestling subscription. Better than the horseshit they're parading out for UFC these days. Garbage product.



Disagree to a point. Issue is some of the bigger cards. Where guys fight not to lose. Or the lame WWE style fight cards. I get the anger but WME wants it’s investment back. Be smart on which cards you watch. The top two fights on this card are as legit as it gets. And if you don’t think Ortega Vs Holloway is a great fight then I’m not sure what you want to see.

Just watch on Reddit instead of being sucked in every PPV. Also don’t think most casuals are going to enjoy flow wrestling.



I hear you Matty. I'm a wrestling fan so the college and high school matches are great for me. My son wrestles in HS and is ranked now, so it's something we enjoy together. I'll take it over UFC all day. That's not to say I don't appreciate MMA - but the current product has jumped to unwatchable reality TV lately.


My best friend whom I train w was a two time AA at Clevland State. I’ve leaned a ton from him. It’s some great stuff so I get where u are coming from. 10 years of BJJ and MMA and u will it find anyone else here who agrees with you more about some of the MMA cards and fights. It’s shame how the sport is evolvolving

This is a solid card but I wouldn’t pay for it. I get how much fun you and your son are enjoying the purity of his sport. Enjoy and good luck to him this year. And while my Rutgers football is a dumpster fire our wrestling team is legit finally. Lol.

amazing performance  
SimpleMan : 12/9/2018 1:16 am : link
Holloway crushed Ortega. Dominant.
RE: amazing performance  
GiantGrit : 12/9/2018 1:56 am : link
In comment 14209615 SimpleMan said:
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Holloway crushed Ortega. Dominant.


No one looks bad after that fight, Ortega took 200 punches in 20 fucking minutes and never dropped!!!!! wtf! His stand up is improving, he definitely hurt Holloway in the third...

Holloway is just a different animal. He cleaned out that division, i hope he moves up in weight.
RE: Total casual here but have been  
GiantGrit : 12/9/2018 1:58 am : link
In comment 14209377 jpkmets said:
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enjoying MMA more lately. Worth a buy?


Always a free stream up on reddit, i actually had more luck googling "Holloway Ortega reddit stream" than searching through reddit itself.
RE: RE: amazing performance  
BurberryManning : 12/9/2018 2:12 am : link
In comment 14209618 GiantGrit said:
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Holloway crushed Ortega. Dominant.



No one looks bad after that fight, Ortega took 200 punches in 20 fucking minutes and never dropped!!!!! wtf! His stand up is improving, he definitely hurt Holloway in the third...

Holloway is just a different animal. He cleaned out that division, i hope he moves up in weight.


Just wanted to log on to say that I agree with your representation of the fight. Both guys have something to be proud of. I feel like Max will be a pain in the ass to deal with later on but Ortega will get bigger and be a monster
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LauderdaleMatty : 12/11/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14209620 BurberryManning said:
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Holloway crushed Ortega. Dominant.



No one looks bad after that fight, Ortega took 200 punches in 20 fucking minutes and never dropped!!!!! wtf! His stand up is improving, he definitely hurt Holloway in the third...

Holloway is just a different animal. He cleaned out that division, i hope he moves up in weight.



Just wanted to log on to say that I agree with your representation of the fight. Both guys have something to be proud of. I feel like Max will be a pain in the ass to deal with later on but Ortega will get bigger and be a monster


This is really late but Holloway needs to go to 155. He's a different guy that the one who faced Connor. IMO runs over him. Issue is guys the guys like Khabib and Lee who are monsters at 155 size wise. Holloway's the real deal and there is no one at 145 who is close anymore.

This weekend Al Iaquinta vs Lee is a very good free fight. Iaquinta was better on a one day notice than Connor was vs Khabib.
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