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Will Grier to skip bowl game because....

dep026 : 12/8/2018 1:40 pm
He feared of facing a real defense.

Sorry Cuse fans. Grier backed out.
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RE: RE: Josh  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14209254 shyster said:
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In comment 14209235 Toth029 said:


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Rosen did. Didn't Sam Darnold? More guys should do it.



Darnold played against Ohio State.

Rosen lobbied hard to play but UCLA doctors wouldn't let him because of concussion.

Justin Herbert has announced that he will play.

Not that anyone should be criticized for the decision.

Herbert might go back to school next year so if he is really undecided then of course he is going to play in the bowl game.
RE: I like Grier, but IMO this is a big negative re drafting him  
djm : 12/8/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14209207 Ira said:
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to lead our team into the future.


This stuff happens all the time. Be careful about falling in or out of love with a player based on their agent’s advice. Peyton Manning was known for being a choke artist in college.

look for Talent above all else.
Seems like a guy whe makes business decisions  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/8/2018 2:56 pm : link
And not a team first guy, something for the FO to consider.
RE: This is absurd  
bw in dc : 12/8/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14209262 Jay on the Island said:
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So he made a wise business decision not to risk injury in a meaningless bowl game. Had it been an important bowl game he would certainly play. He has a wife and daughter to think about. Look at Jaylon Smith for example. He was a top 5 lock before badly injuring his knee is a bowl game.


This is right. It’s a growing list of players doing the same thing.

It’s very smart, too. These exhibition games are completely meaningless and are significantly more risk than reward.
Derwin James  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2018 3:04 pm : link
Leonard Fournette, and Christian McCaffrey skipped their bowl games.
RE: RE: RE: Josh  
shyster : 12/8/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14209264 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14209254 shyster said:


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In comment 14209235 Toth029 said:


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Rosen did. Didn't Sam Darnold? More guys should do it.



Darnold played against Ohio State.

Rosen lobbied hard to play but UCLA doctors wouldn't let him because of concussion.

Justin Herbert has announced that he will play.

Not that anyone should be criticized for the decision.


Herbert might go back to school next year so if he is really undecided then of course he is going to play in the bowl game.


I'm quite sure Herbert knows what he is going to do at this point.

I mentioned him because he made an announcement that he was playing the bowl after leaving his last game with a shoulder injury.

I'd be the last person to criticize anyone skipping a bowl but I do think Grier may be the first big name QB to do so and that's notable.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Josh  
shyster : 12/8/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14209288 shyster said:
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I'd be the last person to criticize anyone skipping a bowl but I do think Grier may be the first big name QB to do so and that's notable.


And again I'm not counting Rosen in this regard because he wanted to play.
It’s an impressive list of players skipping the bowls...  
bw in dc : 12/8/2018 3:21 pm : link
WRs : Kelvin Harmon, K’Neal Harry, Deebo Samuel
TEs: Noah Fant
QBs: Grier
RBs: Justice Hill
OLs: Donell Greene
DLs: Ed Oliver, Rashan Gary
LBs: Germaine Pratt
DBs: Greedy Williams

These are all his high round prospects exercising great advice.
RE: Seems like a guy whe makes business decisions  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14209270 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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And not a team first guy, something for the FO to consider.


It’s not, and they don’t.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Josh  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2018 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14209289 shyster said:
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In comment 14209288 shyster said:


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I'd be the last person to criticize anyone skipping a bowl but I do think Grier may be the first big name QB to do so and that's notable.



And again I'm not counting Rosen in this regard because he wanted to play.

I understand why people get upset when players skip the bowl games but it doesn't bother me unless there are concerns about a players love for the game or leadership ability. This is a meaningless bowl game for Grier in which his LT is also not playing.
RE: It’s an impressive list of players skipping the bowls...  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14209290 bw in dc said:
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WRs : Kelvin Harmon, K’Neal Harry, Deebo Samuel
TEs: Noah Fant
QBs: Grier
RBs: Justice Hill
OLs: Donell Greene
DLs: Ed Oliver, Rashan Gary
LBs: Germaine Pratt
DBs: Greedy Williams

These are all his high round prospects exercising great advice.

That list includes four likely top 10 picks in Oliver, Gary, Williams, and Harry.
I get it....  
joeinpa : 12/8/2018 3:38 pm : link
But if I was drafting a a quarterback in the same situation that decided to play, I would kind of like that.
...  
christian : 12/8/2018 3:50 pm : link
The school is getting their check for the game, and the kid is not getting his check until June. This is a simple decision.
I don't want to see this out of a quarterback  
ghost718 : 12/8/2018 3:50 pm : link
At least fake an injury or something like that
RE: This is absurd  
Jim in Tampa : 12/8/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14209262 Jay on the Island said:
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So he made a wise business decision not to risk injury in a meaningless bowl game. Had it been an important bowl game he would certainly play. He has a wife and daughter to think about. Look at Jaylon Smith for example. He was a top 5 lock before badly injuring his knee is a bowl game.

This x 1,000.

Jaylon Smith lost a lot of money and could easily have lost his entire career. (Not everyone comes back from that kind of injury.)

Grier is skipping a game that has no bearing on anything. Why should he risk his livelihood?
RE: RE: It’s an impressive list of players skipping the bowls...  
bw in dc : 12/8/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14209299 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14209290 bw in dc said:


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WRs : Kelvin Harmon, K’Neal Harry, Deebo Samuel
TEs: Noah Fant
QBs: Grier
RBs: Justice Hill
OLs: Donell Greene
DLs: Ed Oliver, Rashan Gary
LBs: Germaine Pratt
DBs: Greedy Williams

These are all his high round prospects exercising great advice.


That list includes four likely top 10 picks in Oliver, Gary, Williams, and Harry.


You’re probably in the ball park. And good call on Cajuste also sitting out. He’s a very frustrating LT prospect. I’ve seen him play outstanding, like a bonafide first rounder, but then look like he’s completely unprepared and incapable of maintaining any level of consistency.
RE: RE: This is absurd  
section125 : 12/8/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14209310 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 14209262 Jay on the Island said:


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So he made a wise business decision not to risk injury in a meaningless bowl game. Had it been an important bowl game he would certainly play. He has a wife and daughter to think about. Look at Jaylon Smith for example. He was a top 5 lock before badly injuring his knee is a bowl game.



This x 1,000.

Jaylon Smith lost a lot of money and could easily have lost his entire career. (Not everyone comes back from that kind of injury.)

Grier is skipping a game that has no bearing on anything. Why should he risk his livelihood?


Bingo!
RE: RE: This is absurd  
bw in dc : 12/8/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14209310 Jim in Tampa said:
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This x 1,000.

Jaylon Smith lost a lot of money and could easily have lost his entire career. (Not everyone comes back from that kind of injury.)

Grier is skipping a game that has no bearing on anything. Why should he risk his livelihood?


Jake Butt, too. Guy may have been a first round TE but then crushed his ACL in the Orange Bowl. Slipped all the way to the 5th round.
He is doing the right thing  
B in ALB : 12/8/2018 4:51 pm : link
As a Cuse fan it sucks but I totally get it, especially since his LT is not playing either. Cuse has a really good DL. No reason to risk it.
Why are bowl games meaningless?  
Phil in Joisey : 12/8/2018 4:54 pm : link
Isn't a bowl invitation what teams play for all year long?
If it's meaningless why don't the schools say "no thanks"
when they get invited? Okay, okay, $$$$$$.
Getting to a bowl game is a reward for a team.
If one of my team leaders who I've been playing
with all season long bows out of the "reward game", I'm
pissed! Let's presume I've been blocking my ass off all season long so he can be comfortable in a safe pocket to roll up his impressive stats to be considered a high draft pick...imo the least he can do is to continue
to be my teammate for one more game just as I was his
teammate all season long.
Do I understand star players wanting to protect themselves from injury for the draft? Yes, but it's not
something I'd appreciate as a teammate.
It's not a team move.....it's a selfish move.
You want to quit on your teammates to protect yourself?
Fine, but don't expect kudos for it.
What a dumb thread.  
GiantGolfer : 12/8/2018 5:04 pm : link
Kid makes the right decision, and people here think he’s afraid to play a team?
RE: Why are bowl games meaningless?  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14209330 Phil in Joisey said:
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Isn't a bowl invitation what teams play for all year long?
If it's meaningless why don't the schools say "no thanks"
when they get invited? Okay, okay, $$$$$$.
Getting to a bowl game is a reward for a team.
If one of my team leaders who I've been playing
with all season long bows out of the "reward game", I'm
pissed! Let's presume I've been blocking my ass off all season long so he can be comfortable in a safe pocket to roll up his impressive stats to be considered a high draft pick...imo the least he can do is to continue
to be my teammate for one more game just as I was his
teammate all season long.
Do I understand star players wanting to protect themselves from injury for the draft? Yes, but it's not
something I'd appreciate as a teammate.
It's not a team move.....it's a selfish move.
You want to quit on your teammates to protect yourself?
Fine, but don't expect kudos for it.

I'm sure if your kid was about to go pro and be a 1st round pick but then suffers a major injury costing him millions of dollars you will just be happy that he played in the meaningless bowl game for his teammates that he will never play with again. Hey at least the university made even more money from your son while he won't see a penny of it!
RE: What a dumb thread.  
B in ALB : 12/8/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14209334 GiantGolfer said:
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Kid makes the right decision, and people here think he’s afraid to play a team?


Who said he's scared?

What a dumb comment.
3rd round pick  
Sy'56 : 12/8/2018 5:16 pm : link
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RE: Why are bowl games meaningless?  
bw in dc : 12/8/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14209330 Phil in Joisey said:
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Isn't a bowl invitation what teams play for all year long?
If it's meaningless why don't the schools say "no thanks"
when they get invited? Okay, okay, $$$$$$.
Getting to a bowl game is a reward for a team.
If one of my team leaders who I've been playing
with all season long bows out of the "reward game", I'm
pissed! Let's presume I've been blocking my ass off all season long so he can be comfortable in a safe pocket to roll up his impressive stats to be considered a high draft pick...imo the least he can do is to continue
to be my teammate for one more game just as I was his
teammate all season long.
Do I understand star players wanting to protect themselves from injury for the draft? Yes, but it's not
something I'd appreciate as a teammate.
It's not a team move.....it's a selfish move.
You want to quit on your teammates to protect yourself?
Fine, but don't expect kudos for it.


Oh, please. It's college football. Another component of the NCAA cartel that exploits its labor to maximize their revenue.

These players should be applauded as they make these business decisions. It's protecting the opportunity to maximize one's earning potential. A chance to make money that could significantly alter someone's family in a very positive way.

If your son was a highly touted draft prospect you'd encourage the same thing - unless your a complete fool.

Luck  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/8/2018 5:24 pm : link
Played a meaningless senior season. Think it says at least a little to play in a meaningless archaic bowl game that might have made sense before the age of cheap air travel.
RE: 3rd round pick  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2018 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14209342 Sy'56 said:
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Who would you compare Grier to? Is Derek Carr a fair comp?
A lot of really stupid people posting  
arniefez : 12/8/2018 5:37 pm : link
on this thread. Ask Jaylon Smith or Willis McGahee or Marcus Lattimore if playing in a meaningless bowl game is a good idea when you're about to make 20 million dollars if you don't get hurt. Grier is 100% doing the right thing.
I bet Jaylon Smith wishes he  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/8/2018 5:55 pm : link
had skipped that Fiesta Bowl game vs. OSU.
RE: RE: What a dumb thread.  
GiantGolfer : 12/8/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14209339 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14209334 GiantGolfer said:


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Kid makes the right decision, and people here think he’s afraid to play a team?



Who said he's scared?

What a dumb comment.


The OP did.

Try to keep up, B.
RE: RE: RE: What a dumb thread.  
dep026 : 12/8/2018 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14209367 GiantGolfer said:
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In comment 14209339 B in ALB said:


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In comment 14209334 GiantGolfer said:


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Kid makes the right decision, and people here think he’s afraid to play a team?



Who said he's scared?

What a dumb comment.



The OP did.

Try to keep up, B.


My scared comment had nothing to do with getting hurt... but not playing a big 12 defense 😂
RE: RE: RE: What a dumb thread.  
B in ALB : 12/8/2018 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14209367 GiantGolfer said:
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In comment 14209334 GiantGolfer said:


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Kid makes the right decision, and people here think he’s afraid to play a team?



Who said he's scared?

What a dumb comment.



The OP did.

Try to keep up, B.


You posted that there are multiple people on this thread claiming he's scared. That's simply not true.

Try to be honest that your post was horseshit, Golf.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What a dumb thread.  
GiantGolfer : 12/8/2018 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14209387 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14209367 GiantGolfer said:


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In comment 14209339 B in ALB said:


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In comment 14209334 GiantGolfer said:


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Kid makes the right decision, and people here think he’s afraid to play a team?



Who said he's scared?

What a dumb comment.



The OP did.

Try to keep up, B.



You posted that there are multiple people on this thread claiming he's scared. That's simply not true.

Try to be honest that your post was horseshit, Golf.


Sorry, I should’ve said “OP”, instead of “people”. Thanks for the correcting my mistake.

Thread is still fucking dumb.
Bosa skipped the season  
larryflower37 : 12/8/2018 7:01 pm : link
And he will go #1 overall.( He could have played this season)
If you are not in the top 4 this is the equivalent of a preseason game.
It's a smart call and I am surprised more don't do it.
Expand the playoffs if you want to add value to other games.
It’s a relevant thread  
dep026 : 12/8/2018 7:01 pm : link
Since he is liked by some here and Cuse is a school many follow.

Responses however...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What a dumb thread.  
B in ALB : 12/8/2018 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14209392 GiantGolfer said:
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In comment 14209387 B in ALB said:


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In comment 14209367 GiantGolfer said:


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In comment 14209339 B in ALB said:


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In comment 14209334 GiantGolfer said:


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Kid makes the right decision, and people here think he’s afraid to play a team?



Who said he's scared?

What a dumb comment.



The OP did.

Try to keep up, B.



You posted that there are multiple people on this thread claiming he's scared. That's simply not true.

Try to be honest that your post was horseshit, Golf.



Sorry, I should’ve said “OP”, instead of “people”. Thanks for the correcting my mistake.

Thread is still fucking dumb.


Don't ever let it happen again.
I bet Gettelman told him to  
Joey in VA : 12/8/2018 8:44 pm : link
Lisen, Grieyah, yahr a good kwottaback, good throwa, good runnah, gawd fahbid ya get hurt and kawst yahself a few dawllahs. Son, life is shaht, very shaht, you got a shawt heya, to play awn Sunday, to succeed Eli...skip the game fah yahself and yah fyoocha.
This is the second time he quit on a team. First time when he left  
Ivan15 : 12/8/2018 9:43 pm : link
U of Florida. He likely would have been a 2 year starter there. I hope his attitude pushes him down in the draft.

I would not draft him to be a franchise QB.
good for the player  
BigBlueCane : 12/8/2018 11:06 pm : link
bad for the bowl game, undecided for the sport. CFB is going to have to do something to reign in the Super programs monopolizing everything. Trivializing the bowl games further with the playoff is a warning sign.
RE: Once Cajuste (his LT) backed out of the game, it makes sense.  
bradshaw44 : 12/8/2018 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14209251 Tom in NY said:
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He can only have bad things happen to him (poor game, injury) and nothing positive to help his draft stock.

I get it, but don't think it's going to help him in the long run.


If his LT bailed out I think it’s an absolutely justified decision. Why should he risk his future career and families well being by playing in a game that isn’t even for the title? It’s a game with the word “bowl” in the title. But it’s far from the super bowl or any title game for that matter.
RE: This is the second time he quit on a team. First time when he left  
tyrik13 : 12/8/2018 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14209505 Ivan15 said:
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U of Florida. He likely would have been a 2 year starter there. I hope his attitude pushes him down in the draft.

I would not draft him to be a franchise QB.


It damn sure is. Never been a fan of the kid, he's a mediocre QB who played in a offense designed to make QBs look better than they actually are. Pass.
RE: This is the second time he quit on a team. First time when he left  
B in ALB : 12/8/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14209505 Ivan15 said:
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U of Florida. He likely would have been a 2 year starter there. I hope his attitude pushes him down in the draft.

I would not draft him to be a franchise QB.


Pffft. That school wouldn't be collecting $2.5 million for the payout and an additional crazy percentage from the Big 12 if it weren't for Grier.

You guys are Fucking naive to think this isn't all about business on both sides.

Holgerson is probably thrilled. His QB goes to the draft unscathed, with tons of success and he recruits another.

A 3rd round qb is likely a millionaire without all the damage.

Grow up please.
RE: This is the second time he quit on a team. First time when he left  
bw in dc : 12/9/2018 12:14 am : link
In comment 14209505 Ivan15 said:
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U of Florida. He likely would have been a 2 year starter there. I hope his attitude pushes him down in the draft.

I would not draft him to be a franchise QB.


That’s such horse manure. McElwain wanted Grier out. He was more than willing to roll with Del Rio and Franks.

I take it you have the same sentiment about Cam Newton?
RE: RE: This is the second time he quit on a team. First time when he left  
Big Rick in FL : 12/9/2018 3:08 am : link
In comment 14209607 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14209505 Ivan15 said:


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U of Florida. He likely would have been a 2 year starter there. I hope his attitude pushes him down in the draft.

I would not draft him to be a franchise QB.



That’s such horse manure. McElwain wanted Grier out. He was more than willing to roll with Del Rio and Franks.

I take it you have the same sentiment about Cam Newton?


What he said. Grier didn't quit on Florida. He was forced out. According to his public comments and people I know involved in the UF program.
Both sides are right....  
George from PA : 12/9/2018 4:24 am : link
Risk reward makes little sense but teams and fans should prefer "team 1st" guys
RE: 3rd round pick  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 12/9/2018 6:04 am : link
In comment 14209342 Sy'56 said:
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Brevity is the soul of wit!
Bowls  
smokeybandit : 12/9/2018 8:54 am : link
Saquon played in his final bowl game and wasn't about to skip it.

The guys who skip bowl games fall into a couple categories, in order of likelihood

1) They've already mailed it in (Ed Oliver, Rashan Gary this year)
2) They're hurt (Fournette recently)
3) They fear being exposed against a good opponent
4) They genuinely just want to skip it

RE: RE: This is the second time he quit on a team. First time when he left  
dep026 : 12/9/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14209607 bw in dc said:
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I take it you have the same sentiment about Cam Newton?


Well he sure as hell didn’t sacrifice himself to recovery a big fumble in the super bowl.
He's making  
Pete in MD : 12/9/2018 12:15 pm : link
a mockery of the Camping World Bowl.
RE: He's making  
christian : 12/9/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14209849 Pete in MD said:
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a mockery of the Camping World Bowl.


Right? I mean the history, the tradition, the legacy, the propane lanterns, the air mattresses.

The ability to avenge such memorable losses for WVU in the Carquest and Russel Athletic Bowls.

Is there no sanctity in college football left?
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