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Business decisions in general (or not?)...

Milton : 12/8/2018 9:00 pm
The thing about business decisions is that they aren't all equal and I'm not talking about the stakes. We've seen Pro Bowl QBs lower their shoulder in a pre-season game and we've seen Cam Newton shy away from a loose ball in the Super Bowl, so it's easy to call one overly heroic/competitive and the other a coward, but I think it's not just about the stakes when it comes to judging these business decisions, it's also about that instantaneous calculation that an athlete makes when it comes to projecting the position of his body at the point of impact.

I think there are times--whether it was OBJ last week or Cam Newton (and I'm not a fan of his) in the Super Bowl--when the athlete just knows his body will be in an awkward position for the impending collision. And the body just reacts instinctively to protect itself. So I think these business decisions need to be judged based not just on the stakes of the game, but the body's ability to protect itself at point of impact.
I'm not being an Internet tough guy when I say this  
pjcas18 : 12/8/2018 9:04 pm : link
but if your body can't withstand the job enough not to allow a significant game changing play that allowed the opponent to send the game to OT then get off the field.

not your QB example, but if Beckham wasn't going to be able to fight for the ball like sometimes happens on onsides kick attempts why go out there?
RE: I'm not being an Internet tough guy when I say this  
section125 : 12/8/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14209455 pjcas18 said:
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but if your body can't withstand the job enough not to allow a significant game changing play that allowed the opponent to send the game to OT then get off the field.

not your QB example, but if Beckham wasn't going to be able to fight for the ball like sometimes happens on onsides kick attempts why go out there?


I watched the play a few times. Beckham was not getting that ball.
You are right, he should not have been on the field.
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christian : 12/8/2018 9:58 pm : link
I've seen Cam and OBJ put there nose in it enough times to not judge their "toughness." I think the more likely explanation is as a football player you begin to understand you have to be patient with an odd shaped ball kicking around on the ground and diving head first into the action isn't increasing your odds of coming up with it.
No one wants to see it  
Joey in VA : 12/8/2018 10:20 pm : link
It's why everyone loves Rocky, we want the gritty guy to come out and give his all, get socked in the face and keep getting up. I know what I have done, but I don't know what everyone would do and I never had to worry about my career, just a headache or a concussion the next day. This isn't hard honestly, in the moment it's fight or flight and in those cases Cam and Odell looked to choose flight. Both are still upright, helping their teams win games, so did they do the "right" thing? Not for me to say, I'm not an immensely gifted, insanely rich athlete with life and limb to safeguard. I don't begrudge much on the field, football is a brutal game and it destroys the body. It's very easy to get outraged at what we perceive, it's not so easy to pull an Atticus Finch and walk around in someone else's skin.
To clarify my post  
pjcas18 : 12/8/2018 11:05 pm : link
this has nothing to do with me or what I would do.

That's not even a little bit relevant.

And plays like Newton or Deion Sanders making the Al Michaels "business decision" are very different than Beckham on Sunday.

My point was onsides kicks often result in violent collisions, it's sort of predictable, especially if you're on the hands team. You knew this situation had a decent chance of playing out that way before the play even happened, unlike the Newton fumble or a CB facing a RB full speed in the open field.

but if for whatever reason you are not prepared, capable, or willing to handle that violent collision you are doing your team a disservice from staying on the field.

Beckham returns punts, so you know he's not normally averse to being hit, I'm not questioning him or his toughness in general, but he obviously didn't seem willing on that play.
Beckham  
crick n NC : 12/9/2018 8:30 am : link
Might not have come up the ball, but getting in there should have hated the ball loose allowing another opportunity for the giants to recover the ball. In the end, no big deal though.
*could have knocked the ball loose*  
crick n NC : 12/9/2018 8:31 am : link
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People act  
Gman11 : 12/9/2018 9:26 am : link
like the players have a whole day to assess the situation and make a decision. They have a split second and, if you hesitate for that split second, you lose. That's what I see what happened. He wasn't placed in that position before and hesitated for a split second. To think that he considered whether or not it was a good business decision is preposterous.
lesson  
Hilary : 12/9/2018 9:47 am : link
You need your tight end fullbacks and linebackers not your wide outs fighting for the ball
Beckham for the few times he has been  
joeinpa : 12/9/2018 9:51 am : link
On specials, has a couple of pretty awful plays.
OBJ was clearly thinking  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/9/2018 10:20 am : link
Of his brand on that play.
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