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Dunedin81 : 12/9/2018 10:53 am
In 48 hours, in all likelihood:

Sonny Gray won't be a Yankee.

Jacoby Ellsbury will still be a Yankee.

The Yankees will be tied, in reality or aspirationally, to every free agent and trade target of consequence.

Plus it's snowing and my kids are watching Inspector Gadget, so let's do this.
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RE: What does insurance have to do with releasing him or not ?  
Dunedin81 : 12/9/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14210532 Ron from Ninerland said:
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The purpose of releasing him is to free up a spot on the 40 man roster. If his injuries are considered to be career ending or if he can't pass a physical at this point, the Yankees should get paid.


Insurance is not charity. It only pays out if he has a legit injury that keeps him on the 60 day DL. It's in the interest of their bottom line if not their luxury tax bill that he is on the roster and hurt.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The prices for pitching are stupid...  
section125 : 12/9/2018 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14211104 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14211071 arcarsenal said:


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How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation.

Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus.



Sonny Gray is still considered to be a very good starter. He'd probably be no worse than a 3 on most teams.



4.90 ERA in 130.1 innings... 4.17 FIP. 1.496 WHIP. 0.6 bWAR.

That's not a good #3 on any good baseball team. He's coming off the 2nd worst year in his career.

I don't think Cashman will give him away - but there's obviously not much leverage. It's been clear since the day the season ended that we were going to move him. I'll be thrilled if we get anything remotely valuable back.


He has some leverage and he's probably working it to get the best he can. 11 teams have expressed interest. He's not getting a top 10 prospect, but he'll get something decent. If he wasn't worth much or there wasn't interest, he'd be gone by now. The numbers suck because he sucked at Yankee Stadium. His splits are pretty telling, IIRC.
Gray has value...  
Dunedin81 : 12/9/2018 4:47 pm : link
His home/road splits were crazy. Outside of YS he looked like a solid 3. They'll get a prospect in a team's 7-10 range and a back-end top 30 guy for him, or a bullpen piece and a lotto ticket.
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arcarsenal : 12/9/2018 5:00 pm : link
No doubt Gray has some value - if I'm a small market team with a mid-rotation need, I would have a good bit of interest (i.e.. MIL is probably a good spot for him). But relative to what his perceived value was when NYY acquired him and what it is now - I'd say he's probably attainable for a fair bit less.

I don't think Gray himself really has any leverage. He's an Arb 3 now and will be a FA in 2020. It's not like he has any control over where he goes.
Heyman tweeted the Yanks aren't a player for MM at $300M  
Dunedin81 : 12/9/2018 8:11 pm : link
But that they have interest. Of course he has been carrying water for Boras all off-season (Harper is a Boras client, MM isn't) so who knows?
RE: Heyman tweeted the Yanks aren't a player for MM at $300M  
section125 : 12/9/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14211788 Dunedin81 said:
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But that they have interest. Of course he has been carrying water for Boras all off-season (Harper is a Boras client, MM isn't) so who knows?


If they don't sign one of Machado or Harper then that is all you need to know about Hal. He is perfectly happy to get close and draw huge crowds, but not interested in pushing over the top. They needed to either sign Corbin and/or one of the bats. I don't know what else is out there, especially with Didi hurt, that will get them past Boston or Houston without one of Corbin, Harper or Machado. Now if they can trade for Kluber, that is another thing.
I'd prefer to judge Hal (and Cashman) once the season starts  
yatqb : 12/9/2018 10:13 pm : link
rather than at the conclusion of the winter meetings. I'm not sure that it's the right move to give Harper the huge contract that Boras will hold out for, and if Machado will only play SS he's really not a fit either. Both are terrific players but whether they are the only ways to better the team is less certain. As for Corbin, do you think that he was worth $140M? I'd have had a hard time matching that contract if I were the GM.
I just got home  
mattyblue : 12/10/2018 2:55 am : link
from my office Christmas party. One of the partners is friendly with Cashman (they are some sort of board or committee in Stamford I believe together) he has been spot on with a few signings and trades in years past. Anyways, he was pretty liquored up tonight and was swearing that the Yankees are gonna get Harper. The guy is as obnoxious as they come. He wants you to ask him how do you know just so he can blabber on about how he and Cashman are buddies. Nonetheless, I figured I would pass it along. He went on to say that they have been planning to go after him big time for a couple of years.

I would love the Yankees to sign Harper, he would be great in the Bronx. After listening to this idiot ramble on and insist upon it tonight, I wont be as disappointed if he signs elsewhere just so this guy looks like an asshole.
RE: I'd prefer to judge Hal (and Cashman) once the season starts  
section125 : 12/10/2018 7:28 am : link
In comment 14212055 yatqb said:
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rather than at the conclusion of the winter meetings. I'm not sure that it's the right move to give Harper the huge contract that Boras will hold out for, and if Machado will only play SS he's really not a fit either. Both are terrific players but whether they are the only ways to better the team is less certain. As for Corbin, do you think that he was worth $140M? I'd have had a hard time matching that contract if I were the GM.


You are of course right - wait and see as Cash has a habit of pulling a rabbit out of his hat.
I think had the Yanks offered 6 yrs for less than the Nats he may have signed. It was the 6th year that apparently was the difference - but hard to pass on $140 m.

I'd rather Machado because he is a very good 3rd baseman and above adequate SS. It solves the Didi problem. As far as his wants at SS, money talks an BS walks. 8 to 10 years at $300+ and he plays where he is told, he knows it and so do the Yanks.
RE: I just got home  
bigbluehoya : 12/10/2018 7:59 am : link
In comment 14212227 mattyblue said:
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from my office Christmas party. One of the partners is friendly with Cashman (they are some sort of board or committee in Stamford I believe together) he has been spot on with a few signings and trades in years past. Anyways, he was pretty liquored up tonight and was swearing that the Yankees are gonna get Harper. The guy is as obnoxious as they come. He wants you to ask him how do you know just so he can blabber on about how he and Cashman are buddies. Nonetheless, I figured I would pass it along. He went on to say that they have been planning to go after him big time for a couple of years.

I would love the Yankees to sign Harper, he would be great in the Bronx. After listening to this idiot ramble on and insist upon it tonight, I wont be as disappointed if he signs elsewhere just so this guy looks like an asshole.


Thanks for sharing, matty. Hope youre right.
The NPV of Corbin's deal was closer to $129  
Dunedin81 : 12/10/2018 10:26 am : link
Philly could probably have topped it. Sucks to be Philly. Fine with the Yankees not playing in that stratosphere but if they stay away from Machado or Harper I'll be disappointed.
RE: RE: The prices for pitching are stupid...  
Carson53 : 12/10/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 14209834 Jay on the Island said:
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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.


Agreed, I was hoping for Atlanta to get Keuchel on a 2-3 year deal for around 15-17 million per season but after seeing the Eovaldi deal there is no way that is happening.
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Lets say hypothetically for a moment, the Yanks were interested in a guy like Keuchel (I'm not)....
basically you would be bringing in a younger version
of what CC is nowadays. Another lefthanded finesse pitcher on a staff. With the Sawx in the division,
probably not a good idea. You haven't heard the Yanks interested in him (as far as rumors), that could be a
reason why? Two guys who throw 88-90, with a slider/cutter, and a change on the same staff?
RE: Ellsbury  
Carson53 : 12/10/2018 10:44 am : link
In comment 14209727 mdthedream said:
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we would need to eat a lot of that contract.
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That is an unmoveable contract.
My optimistic prediction  
Milton : 12/10/2018 10:53 am : link
Yankees try their best to negotiate as good a deal as possible, but in the end they sign Harper to a record breaking contract and give up some painful pieces in a trade for either Kluber or Bauer. Other than that they make a couple trades and/or spend some bucks to fill out the relief staff and middle infield.
p.s.-- Happ or Morton would be the consolation prize if the Indians ask way too much, but the Yankees will pay what it takes for Harper. That's why they are playing it as coy as possible, so that Boros and Harper don't know it, too. Just some speculation based on wishful thinking.
I hope so  
Dunedin81 : 12/10/2018 11:58 am : link
It's a shitty positional fit, but at his best he is the best bat in baseball, one of the best to play in a long long time.
RE: My optimistic prediction  
mattyblue : 12/10/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14212743 Milton said:
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Yankees try their best to negotiate as good a deal as possible, but in the end they sign Harper to a record breaking contract and give up some painful pieces in a trade for either Kluber or Bauer. Other than that they make a couple trades and/or spend some bucks to fill out the relief staff and middle infield.
p.s.-- Happ or Morton would be the consolation prize if the Indians ask way too much, but the Yankees will pay what it takes for Harper. That's why they are playing it as coy as possible, so that Boros and Harper don't know it, too. Just some speculation based on wishful thinking.


I tend to agree with you Milton. Id love Harper in pinstripes, so I am definitely biased.
Harper to 1B  
1amthat1s : 12/10/2018 12:39 pm : link
If they don't sign him and move him to first I'd be pretty shocked. If anyone decides to keep him from running into walls he probably stays on the field more and makes an even bigger impact. At 26 it's really hard to stay away from that kind of production and star appeal. We'll see about Kluber, that's my biggest Christmas wish.
I want Harper so bad  
adamg : 12/10/2018 12:55 pm : link
If they don't get one of these top guys, I'll be disappointed as hell. What was the point of getting under the cap penalty if you're not going to go spending?
From Jon Morosi  
Strahan91 : 12/10/2018 1:36 pm : link
Sources: Corey Kluber trade talks have intensified. #Dodgers are among the teams involved. @MLBNetwork @MLB

Guessing the Yanks either dont have the pieces to get a deal done or the Indians dont want to trade him to another AL contender.
Watching Mad Dog's "High Heat" show...  
bceagle05 : 12/10/2018 1:42 pm : link
He's interviewing the Nats GM and praising the Corbin signing, after killing the pitcher when it looked like the Yankees might get him. Lame.
In the Lol front: reports are Randy Levine is being considered  
Stu11 : 12/10/2018 2:14 pm : link
for Trump's new chief of staff. Pleaaaaase oh please let this be true! Talk about 2 D-bags that deserve each other
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RE: In the Lol front: reports are Randy Levine is being considered  
Dave in PA : 12/10/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14213190 Stu11 said:
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Good riddance. That guy should not be anywhere near the Yankees front office at this point
The Indians want Florial  
JPinstripes : 12/10/2018 4:26 pm : link
for Kluber as perhaps a start point. I say do it...

Deesha Thosar
‏ @DeeshaThosar
35m35 minutes ago

The #Indians are ready to part ways with their two-time Cy Young award winner, and they've made it clear who they want in return.
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Cashman  
BeckShepEli : 12/10/2018 5:52 pm : link
Pretty much shot down any chance of Harper to Yanks. Told reporters they have 6 OF and 1B is not a realistic option. He said he has multiple conversations with Machados agent
Kikuchi  
JPinstripes : 12/10/2018 5:56 pm : link
Joel Sherman
‏Verified account @Joelsherman1
1m1 minute ago

Cashman said #Yankees have scouted Kikuchi extensively and he has talked to Scott Boras about the LHP.
RE: The Indians want Florial  
arcarsenal : 12/10/2018 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14213466 JPinstripes said:
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for Kluber as perhaps a start point. I say do it...

Deesha Thosar
‏ @DeeshaThosar
35m35 minutes ago

The #Indians are ready to part ways with their two-time Cy Young award winner, and they've made it clear who they want in return. Florial - Kluber - ( New Window )


Deal Andujar/Florial+ for Kluber, sign Machado.
RE: I want Harper so bad  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/10/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14213042 adamg said:
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If they don't get one of these top guys, I'll be disappointed as hell. What was the point of getting under the cap penalty if you're not going to go spending?


It's looking more and more like they won't be getting those 'top guys', too. I thought getting embarrassed by Boston on our homefield in the postseason would spur this franchise on to make a big move in the offseason, but I'm not so sure anymore.

But, hey, at least we're under the tax threshold..
"We have six outfielders"  
shyster : 12/10/2018 6:37 pm : link
1. Judge - check
2 Hicks - check

then . . .

3. Gardner - couldn't hold his lineup spot and is a year older. Even those who support re-signing him say he shouldn't start.

4. Frazier - hasn't shown he can hit RHP well enough to hold the main job.

5. Ellsbury - hahahaha

6. Stanton - -0.4 dWar is one thing. Leaving him at DH and Andujar's bat on the bench in Game 4 says it all. You don't trust him in LF.

Yanks have two legit outfielders.
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Tesla : 12/10/2018 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14213614 shyster said:
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1. Judge - check
2 Hicks - check

then . . .

3. Gardner - couldn't hold his lineup spot and is a year older. Even those who support re-signing him say he shouldn't start.

4. Frazier - hasn't shown he can hit RHP well enough to hold the main job.

5. Ellsbury - hahahaha

6. Stanton - -0.4 dWar is one thing. Leaving him at DH and Andujar's bat on the bench in Game 4 says it all. You don't trust him in LF.

Yanks have two legit outfielders.


Plus Hicks are Gardner are FA's after this year, and Stanton has an opt out clause. This is really such a BS excuse for not signing Harper....if you sign him you have Judge, Stanton and Harper to rotate amongst RF, LF, and DH. Gardner is the 4th outfielder, which is all he should be at this point anyway.

If they don't sign Machado (assuming Cashman was sincere re: Harper)  
Strahan91 : 12/10/2018 6:47 pm : link
Yankee fans should be livid. Only the White Sox have a lower percentage of revenue allocated to payroll in the league and the difference in the actual dollar amounts between the two teams (and the Phillies who are third to last) is staggering.

The Wilpons (deservedly) get a lot of crap from the media and fans and yet the Yankees payroll isn't much larger despite raking in nearly double revenue-wise. The media has given the Yankees a free pass but if they don't spend big this offseason, I can't imagine that continues.
RE: If they don't sign Machado (assuming Cashman was sincere re: Harper)  
rich in DC : 12/10/2018 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14213628 Strahan91 said:
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Yankee fans should be livid. Only the White Sox have a lower percentage of revenue allocated to payroll in the league and the difference in the actual dollar amounts between the two teams (and the Phillies who are third to last) is staggering.

The Wilpons (deservedly) get a lot of crap from the media and fans and yet the Yankees payroll isn't much larger despite raking in nearly double revenue-wise. The media has given the Yankees a free pass but if they don't spend big this offseason, I can't imagine that continues.


This is baloney of the first order.

The Yanks ran payrolls exceeding the luxury tax for years, and only just dipped below it for the past season- still running a payroll around $166M. As of this post, they have $165M committed to the 2019 payroll.

Let's not pretend that the Yanks are the Twins- that is intellectual dishonestly of the first order.
I would love to see Harper in pinstripes  
RasputinPrime : 12/10/2018 7:36 pm : link
and have him play 1B/LF. I love Birdy but he has to be the worst case scenario heading into 2019. Voit isn't going to repeat his 2018 no matter how much we want t.

Sign Kikuchi - it's been too long since the Irabu and Igawa drama. Tanaka has worked out reasonably well. Let's roll the dice on 27 with lot to prove and far less guaranteed money than a guy like Happ.

Sign Morton or trade for a reasonable number 3-4.

Trade Gray for prospects. Use prospects to land Gennett.

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Bill2 : 12/10/2018 7:36 pm : link
Revenue comes first

Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.

Then Players expenses

The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city

Listening to Boone on the YES "Hot Stove" show  
bceagle05 : 12/10/2018 7:55 pm : link
he certainly makes it sound like Luke Voit is the 1B going into camp, not Bird.
RE: .  
Strahan91 : 12/10/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14213662 Bill2 said:
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Revenue comes first

Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.

Then Players expenses

The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city

Yes, of course. The same goes for every team in baseball so all we have is rough estimates. BUT the Yankees' revenue growth has far outpaced their luxury tax bills in the past ~5 years. The data speaks for itself.


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RE: Listening to Boone on the YES  
section125 : 12/10/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14213673 bceagle05 said:
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he certainly makes it sound like Luke Voit is the 1B going into camp, not Bird.


As he should be. His bat was absolutely great down the stretch. He hits with power to the opposite field.
Cashman  
JPinstripes : 12/10/2018 8:03 pm : link
Bryan Hoch
‏Verified account @BryanHoch

Cashman: "We're operating with a really high payroll and we imported a massive player in Stanton last year with a big contract. We're still capable of doing big things, I just think we're more careful about how we go about our business, and for good reason."
Saw on the ESPN scroll  
The_Boss : 12/10/2018 8:03 pm : link
That the Yanks are not interested in Harper.
RE: Saw on the ESPN scroll  
Milton : 12/10/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14213683 The_Boss said:
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That the Yanks are not interested in Harper.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
RE: RE: .  
mattyblue : 12/10/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14213676 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14213662 Bill2 said:


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Revenue comes first

Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.

Then Players expenses

The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city



Yes, of course. The same goes for every team in baseball so all we have is rough estimates. BUT the Yankees' revenue growth has far outpaced their luxury tax bills in the past ~5 years. The data speaks for itself.
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That is a really interesting article 91. It was always going to be difficult for Hal to follow in his Dads footsteps. However, it does seem like he doesnt have interest in doing it the same way.

What are others opinions of Cashman? I have long felt he had such an easier job than a lot of others GMs. For a really long time he certainly had a financial advantage over a lot of others. The 90s/early 00s were awesome of course, but should it have lasted longer? Since those days the Yankees dont have a lot to show for all the money spent. At least not in Yankee terms or expectations. He rebuilt the team over the last few years with some great youth acquisitions and a good farm. However, it seems like we need more to really get to a dynasty type of level. My long winded question is: with all the advantages he has had through the years has Cashman been a great GM or has he continually disappointed?
RE: Cashman  
section125 : 12/10/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14213682 JPinstripes said:
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Bryan Hoch
‏Verified account @BryanHoch

Cashman: "We're operating with a really high payroll and we imported a massive player in Stanton last year with a big contract. We're still capable of doing big things, I just think we're more careful about how we go about our business, and for good reason."


Yep Hal says, keep it about $206M...
got no choice  
RasputinPrime : 12/11/2018 4:31 pm : link
Yankee fan for life - in Hal we Trust.
Machado  
JPinstripes : 12/11/2018 4:33 pm : link
Jon Heyman
‏Verified account @JonHeyman

Yanks, White Sox and Phillies are 3 teams that will meet with Manny Machado. The 3 alleged mystery teams remain so.
Just a thought  
rich in DC : 12/11/2018 5:16 pm : link
Saw Tulo got released by the Jays today- the Jays are on the hook for his entire salary, minus the veterans exception when he signs with another team.

The Yanks might not be a bad place for him to go. He always has had a rep as a solid defender- and the Yanks like their HR.

Now, it could be that the double heel surgery has finished him as a SS- but at the vet minimum, you would think that the Yanks at least owe it to themselves to bring him in and see if anything is left in the tank.

Maybe he's done and they let him go in spring training. Best case, he has enough to hold the job until Didi returns and they have a trade asset.

Won't cost much- and there is a need. Why not go for it?!
Happ to Phils?  
JPinstripes : 12/11/2018 9:04 pm : link
New York Post Sports
‏Verified account @nypostsports

J.A. Happ and the Phillies are 'getting closer' on a three-year deal
RE: Happ to Phils?  
Dave in PA : 12/11/2018 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14215334 JPinstripes said:
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New York Post Sports
‏Verified account @nypostsports

J.A. Happ and the Phillies are 'getting closer' on a three-year deal
Not surprising since he was drafted by Philly and theyre probably offering really nice money
Rumors that  
mattyblue : 12/11/2018 11:50 pm : link
the Sox are willing to trade Boegarts and Bradley Jr, you know they will get a ton back for them. They are actively shopping Porcello as well. Someone will overpay for all 3 if they do it.

I mentioned the other night one of the partners from work claimed the Yankees will sign Harper. Even after reports we are out he texted me not to believe it, Harper will be in the Bronx. I really dont think its happening but the guy is standing by it.
Why on God's green earth  
Mike from SI : 12/12/2018 12:03 am : link
would the Sox trade Boegarts? That makes no sense to me.
RE: Why on God's green earth  
mattyblue : 12/12/2018 12:22 am : link
In comment 14215426 Mike from SI said:
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would the Sox trade Boegarts? That makes no sense to me.


I dont quite get it either, but I saw the rumors and reached out to a friend from Boston who is always knowledgeable and he said theres a good chance all 3 are dealt
RE: Why on God's green earth  
Milton : 12/12/2018 12:41 am : link
In comment 14215426 Mike from SI said:
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would the Sox trade Boegarts?
You answered your own question when you said God's green earth....
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