In 48 hours, in all likelihood:
Sonny Gray won't be a Yankee.
Jacoby Ellsbury will still be a Yankee.
The Yankees will be tied, in reality or aspirationally, to every free agent and trade target of consequence.
Plus it's snowing and my kids are watching Inspector Gadget, so let's do this.
#getbetteryanks
Where does Happ figure here?
Agreed, I was hoping for Atlanta to get Keuchel on a 2-3 year deal for around 15-17 million per season but after seeing the Eovaldi deal there is no way that is happening.
Sign Happ to a 2 year 30 mil contract and be done with it. He is worth 15 mil this year and I am willing to eat the 15 next season if he falls off. He is still a good pitcher plus sell him on the chance to win a ring this season.
Sabathia I love but I think we may be disappointed if we are not ready for his demise (baseball)
Hope we can get a good return for Sonny Gray but will be happy to see him get a new home.
JA Happ or a Cleveland pitcher thru an equitable trade (Cashman wins ;) are my hopes at this time.
Cashman does surprise at times
I agree with RAB...just keep Gray and see what he's got. This market is ridiculously inflated for pitching and I dont see how signing Lance Lynn would help anything
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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.
I agree with RAB...just keep Gray and see what he's got. This market is ridiculously inflated for pitching and I dont see how signing Lance Lynn would help anything
I really don't think keeping Gray is an option. Cash has been very open about dealing him for a while now. That ship has sailed. They're going to get rid of him. He's just not a guy who can pitch here - I think both parties know it's not going to work and are ready to move on.
Boras is complaining about Keuchel's market, which could be a good sign I guess.
I like Happ, but for a (relatively) reasonable price.
Kid is amazing and nice block by Shepard on the edge.
I think that as long as he is injured, there is no pressure to do anything.
The Yanks have insurance on that contract- reportedly somewhere between 60-70% of the deal is covered. In that case, parking him in the 60 day DL at the start of spring training and collecting the insurance money makes it easy to just leave him where he is.
Once he becomes healthy, then a choice needs to be made. I suspect that both sides have a "wink-wink" agreement that he will sit on the DL until he feels 100% (which has always been a rarity for him).
Let's just assume he sits out 2019. At that point, the Yanks would owe him just $26.2M- a $5M option on 2021 and $21.2M in 2020. That isn't onerous to drop at that point.
He can then attempt to move on with his career and still get all of his money. At the same time, the Yanks are not left stuck paying him around $49M as they are right now. With the insurance $, it is likely closer to $31-31M that they will actually pay him. Works for the Yanks- works for him.
Kid is amazing and nice block by Shepard on the edge.
Sorry boys, got my threads messed up.
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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.
I agree with RAB...just keep Gray and see what he's got. This market is ridiculously inflated for pitching and I dont see how signing Lance Lynn would help anything
Trade Gray. His value is high. Sign Happ
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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.
I agree with RAB...just keep Gray and see what he's got. This market is ridiculously inflated for pitching and I dont see how signing Lance Lynn would help anything
Trade Gray. His value is high. Sign Happ
How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation.
Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus.
How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation.
Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus.
Sonny Gray is still considered to be a very good starter. He'd probably be no worse than a 3 on most teams.
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How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation.
Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus.
Sonny Gray is still considered to be a very good starter. He'd probably be no worse than a 3 on most teams.
4.90 ERA in 130.1 innings... 4.17 FIP. 1.496 WHIP. 0.6 bWAR.
That's not a good #3 on any good baseball team. He's coming off the 2nd worst year in his career.
I don't think Cashman will give him away - but there's obviously not much leverage. It's been clear since the day the season ended that we were going to move him. I'll be thrilled if we get anything remotely valuable back.
Insurance is not charity. It only pays out if he has a legit injury that keeps him on the 60 day DL. It's in the interest of their bottom line if not their luxury tax bill that he is on the roster and hurt.
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How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation.
Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus.
Sonny Gray is still considered to be a very good starter. He'd probably be no worse than a 3 on most teams.
4.90 ERA in 130.1 innings... 4.17 FIP. 1.496 WHIP. 0.6 bWAR.
That's not a good #3 on any good baseball team. He's coming off the 2nd worst year in his career.
I don't think Cashman will give him away - but there's obviously not much leverage. It's been clear since the day the season ended that we were going to move him. I'll be thrilled if we get anything remotely valuable back.
He has some leverage and he's probably working it to get the best he can. 11 teams have expressed interest. He's not getting a top 10 prospect, but he'll get something decent. If he wasn't worth much or there wasn't interest, he'd be gone by now. The numbers suck because he sucked at Yankee Stadium. His splits are pretty telling, IIRC.
I don't think Gray himself really has any leverage. He's an Arb 3 now and will be a FA in 2020. It's not like he has any control over where he goes.
If they don't sign one of Machado or Harper then that is all you need to know about Hal. He is perfectly happy to get close and draw huge crowds, but not interested in pushing over the top. They needed to either sign Corbin and/or one of the bats. I don't know what else is out there, especially with Didi hurt, that will get them past Boston or Houston without one of Corbin, Harper or Machado. Now if they can trade for Kluber, that is another thing.
I would love the Yankees to sign Harper, he would be great in the Bronx. After listening to this idiot ramble on and insist upon it tonight, I wont be as disappointed if he signs elsewhere just so this guy looks like an asshole.
You are of course right - wait and see as Cash has a habit of pulling a rabbit out of his hat.
I think had the Yanks offered 6 yrs for less than the Nats he may have signed. It was the 6th year that apparently was the difference - but hard to pass on $140 m.
I'd rather Machado because he is a very good 3rd baseman and above adequate SS. It solves the Didi problem. As far as his wants at SS, money talks an BS walks. 8 to 10 years at $300+ and he plays where he is told, he knows it and so do the Yanks.
I would love the Yankees to sign Harper, he would be great in the Bronx. After listening to this idiot ramble on and insist upon it tonight, I wont be as disappointed if he signs elsewhere just so this guy looks like an asshole.
Thanks for sharing, matty. Hope youre right.
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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.
Agreed, I was hoping for Atlanta to get Keuchel on a 2-3 year deal for around 15-17 million per season but after seeing the Eovaldi deal there is no way that is happening.
Lets say hypothetically for a moment, the Yanks were interested in a guy like Keuchel (I'm not)....
basically you would be bringing in a younger version
of what CC is nowadays. Another lefthanded finesse pitcher on a staff. With the Sawx in the division,
probably not a good idea. You haven't heard the Yanks interested in him (as far as rumors), that could be a
reason why? Two guys who throw 88-90, with a slider/cutter, and a change on the same staff?
That is an unmoveable contract.
p.s.-- Happ or Morton would be the consolation prize if the Indians ask way too much, but the Yankees will pay what it takes for Harper. That's why they are playing it as coy as possible, so that Boros and Harper don't know it, too. Just some speculation based on wishful thinking.
p.s.-- Happ or Morton would be the consolation prize if the Indians ask way too much, but the Yankees will pay what it takes for Harper. That's why they are playing it as coy as possible, so that Boros and Harper don't know it, too. Just some speculation based on wishful thinking.
I tend to agree with you Milton. Id love Harper in pinstripes, so I am definitely biased.
Guessing the Yanks either dont have the pieces to get a deal done or the Indians dont want to trade him to another AL contender.
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The #Indians are ready to part ways with their two-time Cy Young award winner, and they've made it clear who they want in return.
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Cashman said #Yankees have scouted Kikuchi extensively and he has talked to Scott Boras about the LHP.
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Deal Andujar/Florial+ for Kluber, sign Machado.
It's looking more and more like they won't be getting those 'top guys', too. I thought getting embarrassed by Boston on our homefield in the postseason would spur this franchise on to make a big move in the offseason, but I'm not so sure anymore.
But, hey, at least we're under the tax threshold..
2 Hicks - check
then . . .
3. Gardner - couldn't hold his lineup spot and is a year older. Even those who support re-signing him say he shouldn't start.
4. Frazier - hasn't shown he can hit RHP well enough to hold the main job.
5. Ellsbury - hahahaha
6. Stanton - -0.4 dWar is one thing. Leaving him at DH and Andujar's bat on the bench in Game 4 says it all. You don't trust him in LF.
Yanks have two legit outfielders.
2 Hicks - check
then . . .
3. Gardner - couldn't hold his lineup spot and is a year older. Even those who support re-signing him say he shouldn't start.
4. Frazier - hasn't shown he can hit RHP well enough to hold the main job.
5. Ellsbury - hahahaha
6. Stanton - -0.4 dWar is one thing. Leaving him at DH and Andujar's bat on the bench in Game 4 says it all. You don't trust him in LF.
Yanks have two legit outfielders.
Plus Hicks are Gardner are FA's after this year, and Stanton has an opt out clause. This is really such a BS excuse for not signing Harper....if you sign him you have Judge, Stanton and Harper to rotate amongst RF, LF, and DH. Gardner is the 4th outfielder, which is all he should be at this point anyway.
The Wilpons (deservedly) get a lot of crap from the media and fans and yet the Yankees payroll isn't much larger despite raking in nearly double revenue-wise. The media has given the Yankees a free pass but if they don't spend big this offseason, I can't imagine that continues.
The Wilpons (deservedly) get a lot of crap from the media and fans and yet the Yankees payroll isn't much larger despite raking in nearly double revenue-wise. The media has given the Yankees a free pass but if they don't spend big this offseason, I can't imagine that continues.
This is baloney of the first order.
The Yanks ran payrolls exceeding the luxury tax for years, and only just dipped below it for the past season- still running a payroll around $166M. As of this post, they have $165M committed to the 2019 payroll.
Let's not pretend that the Yanks are the Twins- that is intellectual dishonestly of the first order.
Sign Kikuchi - it's been too long since the Irabu and Igawa drama. Tanaka has worked out reasonably well. Let's roll the dice on 27 with lot to prove and far less guaranteed money than a guy like Happ.
Sign Morton or trade for a reasonable number 3-4.
Trade Gray for prospects. Use prospects to land Gennett.
Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.
Then Players expenses
The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city
Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.
Then Players expenses
The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city
Yes, of course. The same goes for every team in baseball so all we have is rough estimates. BUT the Yankees' revenue growth has far outpaced their luxury tax bills in the past ~5 years. The data speaks for itself.
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As he should be. His bat was absolutely great down the stretch. He hits with power to the opposite field.
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Cashman: "We're operating with a really high payroll and we imported a massive player in Stanton last year with a big contract. We're still capable of doing big things, I just think we're more careful about how we go about our business, and for good reason."
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Revenue comes first
Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.
Then Players expenses
The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city
Yes, of course. The same goes for every team in baseball so all we have is rough estimates. BUT the Yankees' revenue growth has far outpaced their luxury tax bills in the past ~5 years. The data speaks for itself.
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That is a really interesting article 91. It was always going to be difficult for Hal to follow in his Dads footsteps. However, it does seem like he doesnt have interest in doing it the same way.
What are others opinions of Cashman? I have long felt he had such an easier job than a lot of others GMs. For a really long time he certainly had a financial advantage over a lot of others. The 90s/early 00s were awesome of course, but should it have lasted longer? Since those days the Yankees dont have a lot to show for all the money spent. At least not in Yankee terms or expectations. He rebuilt the team over the last few years with some great youth acquisitions and a good farm. However, it seems like we need more to really get to a dynasty type of level. My long winded question is: with all the advantages he has had through the years has Cashman been a great GM or has he continually disappointed?
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Cashman: "We're operating with a really high payroll and we imported a massive player in Stanton last year with a big contract. We're still capable of doing big things, I just think we're more careful about how we go about our business, and for good reason."
Yep Hal says, keep it about $206M...
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Yanks, White Sox and Phillies are 3 teams that will meet with Manny Machado. The 3 alleged mystery teams remain so.
The Yanks might not be a bad place for him to go. He always has had a rep as a solid defender- and the Yanks like their HR.
Now, it could be that the double heel surgery has finished him as a SS- but at the vet minimum, you would think that the Yanks at least owe it to themselves to bring him in and see if anything is left in the tank.
Maybe he's done and they let him go in spring training. Best case, he has enough to hold the job until Didi returns and they have a trade asset.
Won't cost much- and there is a need. Why not go for it?!
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J.A. Happ and the Phillies are 'getting closer' on a three-year deal
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J.A. Happ and the Phillies are 'getting closer' on a three-year deal
I mentioned the other night one of the partners from work claimed the Yankees will sign Harper. Even after reports we are out he texted me not to believe it, Harper will be in the Bronx. I really dont think its happening but the guy is standing by it.
I dont quite get it either, but I saw the rumors and reached out to a friend from Boston who is always knowledgeable and he said theres a good chance all 3 are dealt
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