NFT: Yankees Winter Meetings thread

we would need to eat a lot of that contract.

Cashman gets to the winter meetings. Rumors galore with some truth. Hopefully we will be stronger in the coming weeks thru free agency and trades. Pitching, pitching, pitching and it does not always need to be the most expensive. Of course, a shiny new position player will always be welcome.

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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.

In comment 14209832 Dunedin81 said:

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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.

Where does Happ figure here?

In comment 14209832 Dunedin81 said:

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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.

Agreed, I was hoping for Atlanta to get Keuchel on a 2-3 year deal for around 15-17 million per season but after seeing the Eovaldi deal there is no way that is happening.

In comment 14209832 Dunedin81 said:

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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.

Sign Happ to a 2 year 30 mil contract and be done with it. He is worth 15 mil this year and I am willing to eat the 15 next season if he falls off. He is still a good pitcher plus sell him on the chance to win a ring this season.

before his injury. Hopefully some day he can be healthy and effective. I know he can't be counted on but I believe he will get back at some point and give us a cost controlled starting pitcher.

Sabathia I love but I think we may be disappointed if we are not ready for his demise (baseball)

Hope we can get a good return for Sonny Gray but will be happy to see him get a new home.

JA Happ or a Cleveland pitcher thru an equitable trade (Cashman wins ;) are my hopes at this time.

Cashman does surprise at times

In comment 14209832 Dunedin81 said:

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If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it.

I agree with RAB...just keep Gray and see what he's got. This market is ridiculously inflated for pitching and I dont see how signing Lance Lynn would help anything

Isn't he in all likelihood going to be released ? Of course the Yankees are still stuck with his salary but they free up a spot on the 40 man. Why would any other team pay one dime for him ? Even if he had stayed healthy last year his only use would have been as a pinch runner/defensive replacement. Now he's a year older and even more injury prone. if he were to be released I doubt anyone signs him even for minimum salary

In comment 14209852 CromartiesKid21 said:

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In comment 14209832 Dunedin81 said: Quote: If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it. I agree with RAB...just keep Gray and see what he's got. This market is ridiculously inflated for pitching and I dont see how signing Lance Lynn would help anything

I really don't think keeping Gray is an option. Cash has been very open about dealing him for a while now. That ship has sailed. They're going to get rid of him. He's just not a guy who can pitch here - I think both parties know it's not going to work and are ready to move on.

Cashman has burned that bridge.

Boras is complaining about Keuchel's market, which could be a good sign I guess.

I like Happ, but for a (relatively) reasonable price.

into the machine thinking they have to get Saquon going and I walk out to see him out running a DB!

Kid is amazing and nice block by Shepard on the edge.

In comment 14209865 Ron from Ninerland said:

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Isn't he in all likelihood going to be released ? Of course the Yankees are still stuck with his salary but they free up a spot on the 40 man. Why would any other team pay one dime for him ? Even if he had stayed healthy last year his only use would have been as a pinch runner/defensive replacement. Now he's a year older and even more injury prone. if he were to be released I doubt anyone signs him even for minimum salary

I think that as long as he is injured, there is no pressure to do anything.

The Yanks have insurance on that contract- reportedly somewhere between 60-70% of the deal is covered. In that case, parking him in the 60 day DL at the start of spring training and collecting the insurance money makes it easy to just leave him where he is.

Once he becomes healthy, then a choice needs to be made. I suspect that both sides have a "wink-wink" agreement that he will sit on the DL until he feels 100% (which has always been a rarity for him).

Let's just assume he sits out 2019. At that point, the Yanks would owe him just $26.2M- a $5M option on 2021 and $21.2M in 2020. That isn't onerous to drop at that point.

He can then attempt to move on with his career and still get all of his money. At the same time, the Yanks are not left stuck paying him around $49M as they are right now. With the insurance $, it is likely closer to $31-31M that they will actually pay him. Works for the Yanks- works for him.

In comment 14210257 section125 said:

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into the machine thinking they have to get Saquon going and I walk out to see him out running a DB! Kid is amazing and nice block by Shepard on the edge.

Sorry boys, got my threads messed up.

He is likely uninsurable after this year, so he is likely to be released next off-season.

when we saw the Ellsbury contract. It can't get over soon enough.

The purpose of releasing him is to free up a spot on the 40 man roster. If his injuries are considered to be career ending or if he can't pass a physical at this point, the Yankees should get paid.

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In comment 14209852 CromartiesKid21 said:

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In comment 14209832 Dunedin81 said: Quote: If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it. I agree with RAB...just keep Gray and see what he's got. This market is ridiculously inflated for pitching and I dont see how signing Lance Lynn would help anything

Trade Gray. His value is high. Sign Happ

In comment 14211037 superspynyg said:

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In comment 14209852 CromartiesKid21 said: Quote: In comment 14209832 Dunedin81 said: Quote: If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it. I agree with RAB...just keep Gray and see what he's got. This market is ridiculously inflated for pitching and I dont see how signing Lance Lynn would help anything Trade Gray. His value is high. Sign Happ

How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation.

Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus.

In comment 14211071 arcarsenal said:

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How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation. Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus.

Sonny Gray is still considered to be a very good starter. He'd probably be no worse than a 3 on most teams.

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In comment 14211071 arcarsenal said: Quote: How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation. Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus. Sonny Gray is still considered to be a very good starter. He'd probably be no worse than a 3 on most teams.

4.90 ERA in 130.1 innings... 4.17 FIP. 1.496 WHIP. 0.6 bWAR.

That's not a good #3 on any good baseball team. He's coming off the 2nd worst year in his career.

I don't think Cashman will give him away - but there's obviously not much leverage. It's been clear since the day the season ended that we were going to move him. I'll be thrilled if we get anything remotely valuable back.

In comment 14210532 Ron from Ninerland said:

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The purpose of releasing him is to free up a spot on the 40 man roster. If his injuries are considered to be career ending or if he can't pass a physical at this point, the Yankees should get paid.

Insurance is not charity. It only pays out if he has a legit injury that keeps him on the 60 day DL. It's in the interest of their bottom line if not their luxury tax bill that he is on the roster and hurt.

In comment 14211104 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14211088 section125 said: Quote: In comment 14211071 arcarsenal said: Quote: How is his value high? I'm not sure it could be much lower. The Yanks have made it clear they are going to deal him - he's coming off a season where he pitched so poorly that he was removed from the rotation. Anything of value they can get in return would be a huge bonus. Sonny Gray is still considered to be a very good starter. He'd probably be no worse than a 3 on most teams. 4.90 ERA in 130.1 innings... 4.17 FIP. 1.496 WHIP. 0.6 bWAR. That's not a good #3 on any good baseball team. He's coming off the 2nd worst year in his career. I don't think Cashman will give him away - but there's obviously not much leverage. It's been clear since the day the season ended that we were going to move him. I'll be thrilled if we get anything remotely valuable back.

He has some leverage and he's probably working it to get the best he can. 11 teams have expressed interest. He's not getting a top 10 prospect, but he'll get something decent. If he wasn't worth much or there wasn't interest, he'd be gone by now. The numbers suck because he sucked at Yankee Stadium. His splits are pretty telling, IIRC.

His home/road splits were crazy. Outside of YS he looked like a solid 3. They'll get a prospect in a team's 7-10 range and a back-end top 30 guy for him, or a bullpen piece and a lotto ticket.

No doubt Gray has some value - if I'm a small market team with a mid-rotation need, I would have a good bit of interest (i.e.. MIL is probably a good spot for him). But relative to what his perceived value was when NYY acquired him and what it is now - I'd say he's probably attainable for a fair bit less.

I don't think Gray himself really has any leverage. He's an Arb 3 now and will be a FA in 2020. It's not like he has any control over where he goes.

But that they have interest. Of course he has been carrying water for Boras all off-season (Harper is a Boras client, MM isn't) so who knows?

In comment 14211788 Dunedin81 said:

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But that they have interest. Of course he has been carrying water for Boras all off-season (Harper is a Boras client, MM isn't) so who knows?

If they don't sign one of Machado or Harper then that is all you need to know about Hal. He is perfectly happy to get close and draw huge crowds, but not interested in pushing over the top. They needed to either sign Corbin and/or one of the bats. I don't know what else is out there, especially with Didi hurt, that will get them past Boston or Houston without one of Corbin, Harper or Machado. Now if they can trade for Kluber, that is another thing.

rather than at the conclusion of the winter meetings. I'm not sure that it's the right move to give Harper the huge contract that Boras will hold out for, and if Machado will only play SS he's really not a fit either. Both are terrific players but whether they are the only ways to better the team is less certain. As for Corbin, do you think that he was worth $140M? I'd have had a hard time matching that contract if I were the GM.

from my office Christmas party. One of the partners is friendly with Cashman (they are some sort of board or committee in Stamford I believe together) he has been spot on with a few signings and trades in years past. Anyways, he was pretty liquored up tonight and was swearing that the Yankees are gonna get Harper. The guy is as obnoxious as they come. He wants you to ask him �how do you know� just so he can blabber on about how he and Cashman are �buddies�. Nonetheless, I figured I would pass it along. He went on to say that they have been planning to go after him big time for a couple of years.

I would love the Yankees to sign Harper, he would be great in the Bronx. After listening to this idiot ramble on and insist upon it tonight, I won�t be as disappointed if he signs elsewhere just so this guy looks like an asshole.

In comment 14212055 yatqb said:

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rather than at the conclusion of the winter meetings. I'm not sure that it's the right move to give Harper the huge contract that Boras will hold out for, and if Machado will only play SS he's really not a fit either. Both are terrific players but whether they are the only ways to better the team is less certain. As for Corbin, do you think that he was worth $140M? I'd have had a hard time matching that contract if I were the GM.

You are of course right - wait and see as Cash has a habit of pulling a rabbit out of his hat.
I think had the Yanks offered 6 yrs for less than the Nats he may have signed. It was the 6th year that apparently was the difference - but hard to pass on $140 m.

I'd rather Machado because he is a very good 3rd baseman and above adequate SS. It solves the Didi problem. As far as his wants at SS, money talks an BS walks. 8 to 10 years at $300+ and he plays where he is told, he knows it and so do the Yanks.

In comment 14212227 mattyblue said:

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from my office Christmas party. One of the partners is friendly with Cashman (they are some sort of board or committee in Stamford I believe together) he has been spot on with a few signings and trades in years past. Anyways, he was pretty liquored up tonight and was swearing that the Yankees are gonna get Harper. The guy is as obnoxious as they come. He wants you to ask him �how do you know� just so he can blabber on about how he and Cashman are �buddies�. Nonetheless, I figured I would pass it along. He went on to say that they have been planning to go after him big time for a couple of years. I would love the Yankees to sign Harper, he would be great in the Bronx. After listening to this idiot ramble on and insist upon it tonight, I won�t be as disappointed if he signs elsewhere just so this guy looks like an asshole.

Thanks for sharing, matty. Hope you�re right.

Philly could probably have topped it. Sucks to be Philly. Fine with the Yankees not playing in that stratosphere but if they stay away from Machado or Harper I'll be disappointed.

In comment 14209834 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14209832 Dunedin81 said: Quote: If they went bargain basement and tried to better themselves positionally I wouldn't hate it. Agreed, I was hoping for Atlanta to get Keuchel on a 2-3 year deal for around 15-17 million per season but after seeing the Eovaldi deal there is no way that is happening.

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Lets say hypothetically for a moment, the Yanks were interested in a guy like Keuchel (I'm not)....
basically you would be bringing in a younger version
of what CC is nowadays. Another lefthanded finesse pitcher on a staff. With the Sawx in the division,
probably not a good idea. You haven't heard the Yanks interested in him (as far as rumors), that could be a
reason why? Two guys who throw 88-90, with a slider/cutter, and a change on the same staff?

In comment 14209727 mdthedream said:

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we would need to eat a lot of that contract.

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That is an unmoveable contract.

Yankees try their best to negotiate as good a deal as possible, but in the end they sign Harper to a record breaking contract and give up some painful pieces in a trade for either Kluber or Bauer. Other than that they make a couple trades and/or spend some bucks to fill out the relief staff and middle infield.
p.s.-- Happ or Morton would be the consolation prize if the Indians ask way too much, but the Yankees will pay what it takes for Harper. That's why they are playing it as coy as possible, so that Boros and Harper don't know it, too. Just some speculation based on wishful thinking.

It's a shitty positional fit, but at his best he is the best bat in baseball, one of the best to play in a long long time.

In comment 14212743 Milton said:

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Yankees try their best to negotiate as good a deal as possible, but in the end they sign Harper to a record breaking contract and give up some painful pieces in a trade for either Kluber or Bauer. Other than that they make a couple trades and/or spend some bucks to fill out the relief staff and middle infield. p.s.-- Happ or Morton would be the consolation prize if the Indians ask way too much, but the Yankees will pay what it takes for Harper. That's why they are playing it as coy as possible, so that Boros and Harper don't know it, too. Just some speculation based on wishful thinking.

I tend to agree with you Milton. I�d love Harper in pinstripes, so I am definitely biased.

If they don't sign him and move him to first I'd be pretty shocked. If anyone decides to keep him from running into walls he probably stays on the field more and makes an even bigger impact. At 26 it's really hard to stay away from that kind of production and star appeal. We'll see about Kluber, that's my biggest Christmas wish.

If they don't get one of these top guys, I'll be disappointed as hell. What was the point of getting under the cap penalty if you're not going to go spending?

Sources: Corey Kluber trade talks have intensified. #Dodgers are among the teams involved. @MLBNetwork @MLB

Guessing the Yanks either don�t have the pieces to get a deal done or the Indians don�t want to trade him to another AL contender.

He's interviewing the Nats GM and praising the Corbin signing, after killing the pitcher when it looked like the Yankees might get him. Lame.

for Trump's new chief of staff. Pleaaaaase oh please let this be true! Talk about 2 D-bags that deserve each other
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In comment 14213190 Stu11 said:

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for Trump's new chief of staff. Pleaaaaase oh please let this be true! Talk about 2 D-bags that deserve each other Link - ( New Window )

Good riddance. That guy should not be anywhere near the Yankees front office at this point

for Kluber as perhaps a start point. I say do it...

Deesha Thosar
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35m35 minutes ago

The #Indians are ready to part ways with their two-time Cy Young award winner, and they've made it clear who they want in return.
Florial - Kluber - ( New Window )

Pretty much shot down any chance of Harper to Yanks. Told reporters they have 6 OF and 1B is not a realistic option. He said he has multiple conversations with Machados agent

Joel Sherman
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1m1 minute ago

Cashman said #Yankees have scouted Kikuchi �extensively� and he has talked to Scott Boras about the LHP.

In comment 14213466 JPinstripes said:

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for Kluber as perhaps a start point. I say do it... Deesha Thosar ‏ @DeeshaThosar 35m35 minutes ago The #Indians are ready to part ways with their two-time Cy Young award winner, and they've made it clear who they want in return. Florial - Kluber - ( New Window )

Deal Andujar/Florial+ for Kluber, sign Machado.

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If they don't get one of these top guys, I'll be disappointed as hell. What was the point of getting under the cap penalty if you're not going to go spending?

It's looking more and more like they won't be getting those 'top guys', too. I thought getting embarrassed by Boston on our homefield in the postseason would spur this franchise on to make a big move in the offseason, but I'm not so sure anymore.

But, hey, at least we're under the tax threshold..