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Dunedin81 : 12/9/2018 10:53 am
In 48 hours, in all likelihood:

Sonny Gray won't be a Yankee.

Jacoby Ellsbury will still be a Yankee.

The Yankees will be tied, in reality or aspirationally, to every free agent and trade target of consequence.

Plus it's snowing and my kids are watching Inspector Gadget, so let's do this.
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"We have six outfielders"  
shyster : 12/10/2018 6:37 pm : link
1. Judge - check
2 Hicks - check

then . . .

3. Gardner - couldn't hold his lineup spot and is a year older. Even those who support re-signing him say he shouldn't start.

4. Frazier - hasn't shown he can hit RHP well enough to hold the main job.

5. Ellsbury - hahahaha

6. Stanton - -0.4 dWar is one thing. Leaving him at DH and Andujar's bat on the bench in Game 4 says it all. You don't trust him in LF.

Yanks have two legit outfielders.
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Tesla : 12/10/2018 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14213614 shyster said:
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1. Judge - check
2 Hicks - check

then . . .

3. Gardner - couldn't hold his lineup spot and is a year older. Even those who support re-signing him say he shouldn't start.

4. Frazier - hasn't shown he can hit RHP well enough to hold the main job.

5. Ellsbury - hahahaha

6. Stanton - -0.4 dWar is one thing. Leaving him at DH and Andujar's bat on the bench in Game 4 says it all. You don't trust him in LF.

Yanks have two legit outfielders.


Plus Hicks are Gardner are FA's after this year, and Stanton has an opt out clause. This is really such a BS excuse for not signing Harper....if you sign him you have Judge, Stanton and Harper to rotate amongst RF, LF, and DH. Gardner is the 4th outfielder, which is all he should be at this point anyway.

If they don't sign Machado (assuming Cashman was sincere re: Harper)  
Strahan91 : 12/10/2018 6:47 pm : link
Yankee fans should be livid. Only the White Sox have a lower percentage of revenue allocated to payroll in the league and the difference in the actual dollar amounts between the two teams (and the Phillies who are third to last) is staggering.

The Wilpons (deservedly) get a lot of crap from the media and fans and yet the Yankees payroll isn't much larger despite raking in nearly double revenue-wise. The media has given the Yankees a free pass but if they don't spend big this offseason, I can't imagine that continues.
RE: If they don't sign Machado (assuming Cashman was sincere re: Harper)  
rich in DC : 12/10/2018 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14213628 Strahan91 said:
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Yankee fans should be livid. Only the White Sox have a lower percentage of revenue allocated to payroll in the league and the difference in the actual dollar amounts between the two teams (and the Phillies who are third to last) is staggering.

The Wilpons (deservedly) get a lot of crap from the media and fans and yet the Yankees payroll isn't much larger despite raking in nearly double revenue-wise. The media has given the Yankees a free pass but if they don't spend big this offseason, I can't imagine that continues.


This is baloney of the first order.

The Yanks ran payrolls exceeding the luxury tax for years, and only just dipped below it for the past season- still running a payroll around $166M. As of this post, they have $165M committed to the 2019 payroll.

Let's not pretend that the Yanks are the Twins- that is intellectual dishonestly of the first order.
I would love to see Harper in pinstripes  
RasputinPrime : 12/10/2018 7:36 pm : link
and have him play 1B/LF. I love Birdy but he has to be the worst case scenario heading into 2019. Voit isn't going to repeat his 2018 no matter how much we want t.

Sign Kikuchi - it's been too long since the Irabu and Igawa drama. Tanaka has worked out reasonably well. Let's roll the dice on 27 with lot to prove and far less guaranteed money than a guy like Happ.

Sign Morton or trade for a reasonable number 3-4.

Trade Gray for prospects. Use prospects to land Gennett.

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Bill2 : 12/10/2018 7:36 pm : link
Revenue comes first

Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.

Then Players expenses

The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city

Listening to Boone on the YES "Hot Stove" show  
bceagle05 : 12/10/2018 7:55 pm : link
he certainly makes it sound like Luke Voit is the 1B going into camp, not Bird.
RE: .  
Strahan91 : 12/10/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14213662 Bill2 said:
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Revenue comes first

Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.

Then Players expenses

The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city

Yes, of course. The same goes for every team in baseball so all we have is rough estimates. BUT the Yankees' revenue growth has far outpaced their luxury tax bills in the past ~5 years. The data speaks for itself.


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RE: Listening to Boone on the YES  
section125 : 12/10/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14213673 bceagle05 said:
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he certainly makes it sound like Luke Voit is the 1B going into camp, not Bird.


As he should be. His bat was absolutely great down the stretch. He hits with power to the opposite field.
Cashman  
JPinstripes : 12/10/2018 8:03 pm : link
Bryan Hoch
‏Verified account @BryanHoch

Cashman: "We're operating with a really high payroll and we imported a massive player in Stanton last year with a big contract. We're still capable of doing big things, I just think we're more careful about how we go about our business, and for good reason."
Saw on the ESPN scroll  
The_Boss : 12/10/2018 8:03 pm : link
That the Yanks are not interested in Harper.
RE: Saw on the ESPN scroll  
Milton : 12/10/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14213683 The_Boss said:
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That the Yanks are not interested in Harper.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
RE: RE: .  
mattyblue : 12/10/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14213676 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14213662 Bill2 said:


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Revenue comes first

Then comes stadium and stadium financing fees which were low in the initial years but go higher over time. Then Taxes, Security, Minor leagues, scouting,Fo/Coaches for entire system, Levine,lawyers, lawyers and more lawyers, etc., etc.

Then Players expenses

The point is that there is a lot between revenue and player payroll we dont know about but can assume its different than the Mets. Especially the cost of the Stadium and the delayed cost deal structure with the city



Yes, of course. The same goes for every team in baseball so all we have is rough estimates. BUT the Yankees' revenue growth has far outpaced their luxury tax bills in the past ~5 years. The data speaks for itself.
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That is a really interesting article 91. It was always going to be difficult for Hal to follow in his Dads footsteps. However, it does seem like he doesnt have interest in doing it the same way.

What are others opinions of Cashman? I have long felt he had such an easier job than a lot of others GMs. For a really long time he certainly had a financial advantage over a lot of others. The 90s/early 00s were awesome of course, but should it have lasted longer? Since those days the Yankees dont have a lot to show for all the money spent. At least not in Yankee terms or expectations. He rebuilt the team over the last few years with some great youth acquisitions and a good farm. However, it seems like we need more to really get to a dynasty type of level. My long winded question is: with all the advantages he has had through the years has Cashman been a great GM or has he continually disappointed?
RE: Cashman  
section125 : 12/10/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14213682 JPinstripes said:
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Bryan Hoch
‏Verified account @BryanHoch

Cashman: "We're operating with a really high payroll and we imported a massive player in Stanton last year with a big contract. We're still capable of doing big things, I just think we're more careful about how we go about our business, and for good reason."


Yep Hal says, keep it about $206M...
got no choice  
RasputinPrime : 12/11/2018 4:31 pm : link
Yankee fan for life - in Hal we Trust.
Machado  
JPinstripes : 12/11/2018 4:33 pm : link
Jon Heyman
‏Verified account @JonHeyman

Yanks, White Sox and Phillies are 3 teams that will meet with Manny Machado. The 3 alleged mystery teams remain so.
Just a thought  
rich in DC : 12/11/2018 5:16 pm : link
Saw Tulo got released by the Jays today- the Jays are on the hook for his entire salary, minus the veterans exception when he signs with another team.

The Yanks might not be a bad place for him to go. He always has had a rep as a solid defender- and the Yanks like their HR.

Now, it could be that the double heel surgery has finished him as a SS- but at the vet minimum, you would think that the Yanks at least owe it to themselves to bring him in and see if anything is left in the tank.

Maybe he's done and they let him go in spring training. Best case, he has enough to hold the job until Didi returns and they have a trade asset.

Won't cost much- and there is a need. Why not go for it?!
Happ to Phils?  
JPinstripes : 12/11/2018 9:04 pm : link
New York Post Sports
‏Verified account @nypostsports

J.A. Happ and the Phillies are 'getting closer' on a three-year deal
RE: Happ to Phils?  
Dave in PA : 12/11/2018 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14215334 JPinstripes said:
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New York Post Sports
‏Verified account @nypostsports

J.A. Happ and the Phillies are 'getting closer' on a three-year deal
Not surprising since he was drafted by Philly and theyre probably offering really nice money
Rumors that  
mattyblue : 12/11/2018 11:50 pm : link
the Sox are willing to trade Boegarts and Bradley Jr, you know they will get a ton back for them. They are actively shopping Porcello as well. Someone will overpay for all 3 if they do it.

I mentioned the other night one of the partners from work claimed the Yankees will sign Harper. Even after reports we are out he texted me not to believe it, Harper will be in the Bronx. I really dont think its happening but the guy is standing by it.
Why on God's green earth  
Mike from SI : 12/12/2018 12:03 am : link
would the Sox trade Boegarts? That makes no sense to me.
RE: Why on God's green earth  
mattyblue : 12/12/2018 12:22 am : link
In comment 14215426 Mike from SI said:
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would the Sox trade Boegarts? That makes no sense to me.


I dont quite get it either, but I saw the rumors and reached out to a friend from Boston who is always knowledgeable and he said theres a good chance all 3 are dealt
RE: Why on God's green earth  
Milton : 12/12/2018 12:41 am : link
In comment 14215426 Mike from SI said:
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would the Sox trade Boegarts?
You answered your own question when you said God's green earth....
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