Staying alive (after NYG win over WAS)

has they not blown that game, there would be a pretty clear path to a 9-7 wild card. After the Seattle Monday nighter, Minnesota has Miami at home, Detroit away and Chicago at home. They're almost certainly getting to 8 wins. The Eagles would have to lose out until Week 17 because I can't see them losing to Washington in the last week

win the Eagle Cowboy game?

In comment 14211126 rocco8112 said:

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win the Eagle Cowboy game?

Dallas. Eagles pretty much have to lose out

time of the most important week against our hated rivals...for this alone, he should be on the hot seat.

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has they not blown that game, there would be a pretty clear path to a 9-7 wild card. After the Seattle Monday nighter, Minnesota has Miami at home, Detroit away and Chicago at home. They're almost certainly getting to 8 wins. The Eagles would have to lose out until Week 17 because I can't see them losing to Washington in the last week

And let's not forget that damn 64 yard field goal by Graham Gano. Beating Philadelphia would have been more important, but that one still hurts.

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win the Eagle Cowboy game?

A tie

In comment 14211126 rocco8112 said:

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win the Eagle Cowboy game?

Simulator shows slightly better for NYG if DAL beats PHI.
DAL beating PHI does take GIants out of NFC East race but the WC is more (relatively speaking) realistic.

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In comment 14211126 rocco8112 said: Quote: win the Eagle Cowboy game? Dallas. Eagles pretty much have to lose out

Yep. Need the Eagles to get to 9 losses. Very realistic if they lose this week w Rams and Texans after.

Need Vikes to get to 8 losses. Need Panthers to get to 9 losses.

We're finally clicking.

to even have to have even a very small amount of hope.

Panthers and TB losses helped our Wild Card chances...

We basically need to win out, plus something like this...

1) Redskins lose 2 of last 3 games after loss to Giants (@JAX, @TEN, vs. PHI)
2) Eagles lose 2 of last 4 games (@DAL, @STL, vs.HOU, @WAS)
3) Vikings lose 3 of last 4 games (@SEA, vs. MIA, @DET, vs. CHI)
-OR-
Seahawks lose 4 of last 4 games (vs. MIN, @SF, vs. KC, vs. ARI). If that happens, we have a shot.
4) Panthers lose 2 of last 3 games (vs. NO, vs. ATL, @NO)
-OR-
Panthers lose 1 of last 3 games AND Detroit wins 4 of last 4 games (@ARI, @BUF, vs. MIN, @GB) because Giants only win tiebreak over Panthers if it’s a 3-way tie with Panthers & Detroit.
5) Tampa Bay lose 1 of last 3 games (@BAL, @DAL, vs. ATL) because if they somehow manage to win all 3, we’d need the Panthers and Detroit to finish 7-9 or worse to get 6th seed with tiebreak over Bucs
6) Green Bay lose 1 of last 3 games (@CHI, @NYJ, vs. DET)

In comment 14211154 WillVAB said:

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In comment 14211129 dpinzow said: Quote: In comment 14211126 rocco8112 said: Quote: win the Eagle Cowboy game? Dallas. Eagles pretty much have to lose out Yep. Need the Eagles to get to 9 losses. Very realistic if they lose this week w Rams and Texans after. Need Vikes to get to 8 losses. Need Panthers to get to 9 losses.

There do exist scenarios (without tie games) where the Giants get in if PHI loses only 8 or CAR lose only 8.

Giants obviously win out

Minnesota loses tomorrow night to Seattle, either Week 15 or 16 to Miami at home or @ Detroit, and Week 17 to the Bears at home.

Philly loses their next 3 (at Dallas, at LA Rams, home to Houston)

Carolina loses twice to New Orleans

Washington loses out (likely)

Packers lose at Chicago next week

Awaiting the draft position thread later(?)

is because I can't see the Vikings losing to either the Dolphins at home or the Lions period, and I can't see the Eagles losing to Houston at the Linc. The rest of it could happen very easily though

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Panthers and TB losses helped our Wild Card chances... We basically need to win out, plus something like this... 1) Redskins lose 2 of last 3 games after loss to Giants (@JAX, @TEN, vs. PHI) 2) Eagles lose 2 of last 4 games (@DAL, @STL, vs.HOU, @WAS) 3) Vikings lose 3 of last 4 games (@SEA, vs. MIA, @DET, vs. CHI) -OR- Seahawks lose 4 of last 4 games (vs. MIN, @SF, vs. KC, vs. ARI). If that happens, we have a shot. 4) Panthers lose 2 of last 3 games (vs. NO, vs. ATL, @NO) -OR- Panthers lose 1 of last 3 games AND Detroit wins 4 of last 4 games (@ARI, @BUF, vs. MIN, @GB) because Giants only win tiebreak over Panthers if it’s a 3-way tie with Panthers & Detroit. 5) Tampa Bay lose 1 of last 3 games (@BAL, @DAL, vs. ATL) because if they somehow manage to win all 3, we’d need the Panthers and Detroit to finish 7-9 or worse to get 6th seed with tiebreak over Bucs 6) Green Bay lose 1 of last 3 games (@CHI, @NYJ, vs. DET)

Giants win 3-way tiebreak with CAR and TB, so I'm not understanding 5).

In comment 14211165 ray in arlington said:

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In comment 14211154 WillVAB said: Quote: In comment 14211129 dpinzow said: Quote: In comment 14211126 rocco8112 said: Quote: win the Eagle Cowboy game? Dallas. Eagles pretty much have to lose out Yep. Need the Eagles to get to 9 losses. Very realistic if they lose this week w Rams and Texans after. Need Vikes to get to 8 losses. Need Panthers to get to 9 losses. There do exist scenarios (without tie games) where the Giants get in if PHI loses only 8 or CAR lose only 8.

That's really hard, Dallas would have to lose out to get to 7-9, Philly and the Giants would both have to finish 8-8 and I believe the Vikings have to finish 7-8-1

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In comment 14211165 ray in arlington said: Quote: In comment 14211154 WillVAB said: Quote: In comment 14211129 dpinzow said: Quote: In comment 14211126 rocco8112 said: Quote: win the Eagle Cowboy game? Dallas. Eagles pretty much have to lose out Yep. Need the Eagles to get to 9 losses. Very realistic if they lose this week w Rams and Texans after. Need Vikes to get to 8 losses. Need Panthers to get to 9 losses. There do exist scenarios (without tie games) where the Giants get in if PHI loses only 8 or CAR lose only 8. That's really hard, Dallas would have to lose out to get to 7-9, Philly and the Giants would both have to finish 8-8 and I believe the Vikings have to finish 7-8-1

I also found scenarios where DAL wins division, Giants and PHI go 8-8, PHI gets 1st wild card and NYG get the second. Extremely unlikely obviously. There were scenarios where TB and CAR finished 8-8 and the Giants took that tiebreak, but that scenario now requires 3 TB wins.

Their schedule makes it pretty easy, all things considered, to do that. Seattle has San Francisco and Arizona as 2 of their last 3 games

the TB-CAR tiebreak tiebreak goes to CAR.

So CAR getting to 8-8 takes a spot away from the Giants.

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Panthers and TB losses helped our Wild Card chances... We basically need to win out, plus something like this... 1) Redskins lose 2 of last 3 games after loss to Giants (@JAX, @TEN, vs. PHI) 2) Eagles lose 2 of last 4 games (@DAL, @STL, vs.HOU, @WAS) 3) Vikings lose 3 of last 4 games (@SEA, vs. MIA, @DET, vs. CHI) -OR- Seahawks lose 4 of last 4 games (vs. MIN, @SF, vs. KC, vs. ARI). If that happens, we have a shot. 4) Panthers lose 2 of last 3 games (vs. NO, vs. ATL, @NO) -OR- Panthers lose 1 of last 3 games AND Detroit wins 4 of last 4 games (@ARI, @BUF, vs. MIN, @GB) because Giants only win tiebreak over Panthers if it’s a 3-way tie with Panthers & Detroit. 5) Tampa Bay lose 1 of last 3 games (@BAL, @DAL, vs. ATL) because if they somehow manage to win all 3, we’d need the Panthers and Detroit to finish 7-9 or worse to get 6th seed with tiebreak over Bucs 6) Green Bay lose 1 of last 3 games (@CHI, @NYJ, vs. DET)

Vikes not losing 3 of 4..so thats that

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In comment 14211163 AJ23 said: Quote: Panthers and TB losses helped our Wild Card chances... We basically need to win out, plus something like this... 1) Redskins lose 2 of last 3 games after loss to Giants (@JAX, @TEN, vs. PHI) 2) Eagles lose 2 of last 4 games (@DAL, @STL, vs.HOU, @WAS) 3) Vikings lose 3 of last 4 games (@SEA, vs. MIA, @DET, vs. CHI) -OR- Seahawks lose 4 of last 4 games (vs. MIN, @SF, vs. KC, vs. ARI). If that happens, we have a shot. 4) Panthers lose 2 of last 3 games (vs. NO, vs. ATL, @NO) -OR- Panthers lose 1 of last 3 games AND Detroit wins 4 of last 4 games (@ARI, @BUF, vs. MIN, @GB) because Giants only win tiebreak over Panthers if it’s a 3-way tie with Panthers & Detroit. 5) Tampa Bay lose 1 of last 3 games (@BAL, @DAL, vs. ATL) because if they somehow manage to win all 3, we’d need the Panthers and Detroit to finish 7-9 or worse to get 6th seed with tiebreak over Bucs 6) Green Bay lose 1 of last 3 games (@CHI, @NYJ, vs. DET) Vikes not losing 3 of 4..so thats that

That's the unlikeliest part of my "most plausible scenario." Plus Philly losing a critical Week 16 game at the Linc to the Texans. The next big game the Texans win on the road will be their first

Too many teams are going to have to lose games and the Giants are going to have to show up against teams that are still fighting for something in DAL and TEN. They dug themselves too big of a hole to climb out. Let's see if they can continue to build on this season and make a run toward the second season next year. They're done.

if the Giants keep winning.

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is because I can't see the Vikings losing to either the Dolphins at home or the Lions period, and I can't see the Eagles losing to Houston at the Linc. The rest of it could happen very easily though

I don’t see how anyone could trust Cousins. No one thought the Bills could beat the Vikings but that happened.

Eagles vs Texans could go either way. Texans are a bad matchup for the Eagles if you look at how the teams are built.

He might have made it anyway, but that bogus 1st down awarded to CAR before the Gano kick is looking bigger all the time.

Can only be good for both Div and WC chances, no?

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Can only be good for both Div and WC chances, no?

correct.

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In comment 14211126 rocco8112 said: Quote: win the Eagle Cowboy game? A tie

wouldnt this be the best to keep both options open?

That was close.

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Too many teams are going to have to lose games and the Giants are going to have to show up against teams that are still fighting for something in DAL and TEN. They dug themselves too big of a hole to climb out. Let's see if they can continue to build on this season and make a run toward the second season next year. They're done.

Most likely right but that's why the games are played. It's not certain. A 5% chance is better than none

stupid 63 yard FG by Carolina and the OT comeback win by Philly will basically keep the Giants out of the playoffs.

The Cowboys will probably be locked into the 3/4 seed range, with a home game in the wild card round. So they will be on the road with little at stake in Week 17. Could be a short day for Elliott, Prescott, Lee, Lawrence, Smith (x2), Martin, Jones, etc.