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Evan Engram

Larry from WV : 12/9/2018 6:37 pm
I was reminded today of just how fast he is. For an athlete his size his acceleration is incredible. I really hope, with more time in the system, he develops a more consistent role. It's hard to be overly critical of any of the starters today, but I was happy with Engram's game.
But Reese drafted him  
Les in TO : 12/9/2018 6:42 pm : link
So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted
As frustrating as he's been, the Giants will need him  
jogo1 : 12/9/2018 6:43 pm : link
the next couple seasons. They won't be able to invest heavily in playmakers as they fill out holes on the OL, DL, and QB of the future.
But I see a WR not a TE  
JohnB : 12/9/2018 6:45 pm : link
Good WR but isn't even a decent TE.
If they put him in position  
Eman11 : 12/9/2018 6:46 pm : link
To do what he does best, he can be a real asset.
These  
mittenedman : 12/9/2018 6:48 pm : link
high ankle sprains and foot injuries are a bitch. Just because people return to the field doesn't mean they're 100%.

I think with both OV and Engram, as frustrating as it is, you gotta sit back and give them a chance to get healthy. They are getting healthy.
RE: But Reese drafted him  
gmenatlarge : 12/9/2018 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14211449 Les in TO said:
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So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted


St Tom brigade, really, someone points out a positive and you turn it into an attack on fellow BBIers....sad.
RE: But Reese drafted him  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/9/2018 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14211449 Les in TO said:
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So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted


He’s a good kid and wasn’t a bad pick at all But people like you don’t get it. Two starting level OLs were passed up because of that moron’s total inability to judge that positions. Reese was a fucking idiot. Period. One of the worst in the league. The problem was he should have been fired ALONG w Caughlin.

The inbred idiots who keep defending the guy for making one good pick a year of that need to stop defending the guy. He was inept. As his drafts and shifty FA cal killing deals show.
He’s uber talented  
TD : 12/9/2018 7:05 pm : link
Keep giving him reps and coaching and hope it clicks. I’d like to see him split out at WR 30-40% of his snaps. He’s bigger than any CBand probably a blocking mismatch. And he’s got the size and speed to be a tough cover for a CB.

I’d like to roll with a bigger offensive set - 1-2 TEs on the field at all times. Give Barkley extra blockers.
The routes he’s been running of late  
Simms11 : 12/9/2018 7:21 pm : link
have been solid and he’s actually been holding onto the football. He’s got nice athleticism and explosion. He’s a real nice option for this offense. Gives Defenses one more thing to think about and try to cover!
A-men Matty!  
Red Dog : 12/9/2018 7:25 pm : link
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RE: But I see a WR not a TE  
section125 : 12/9/2018 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14211457 JohnB said:
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Good WR but isn't even a decent TE.


Just like Sterling Sharpe, TE in name only. But his mismatch is inside, like a slot, not a true WR.
Needs to improve his hands and blocking  
SHO'NUFF : 12/9/2018 7:30 pm : link
which I don't doubt that he's working hard at
The burst he showed on that first run after catch  
j_rud : 12/9/2018 7:31 pm : link
was eye-opening, even though we all knew the skill set. The second one was nice as well, but that first one literally had me sit up and say "whoa" as he took off.
This recent success is absolutely  
JCin332 : 12/9/2018 7:36 pm : link
killing Les...

Les please stick to hockey...
I keep saying ...  
Manny in CA : 12/9/2018 7:37 pm : link

He's a WR not a TE !

When he gets just a little space, he runs away from corners and safeties. Only reason he didn't' score today on the 39 yard run is because he had four defenders cutting him off.

At 240 6'3", and running a 4.4 forty he is a mismatch both in the passing game and leveling little defenders, down-field in the run game for Barkley.

He has ALL PRO ability, he's just mis-placed with the Giants.
RE: RE: But Reese drafted him  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/9/2018 7:40 pm : link
In comment 14211490 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 14211449 Les in TO said:


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So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted



He’s a good kid and wasn’t a bad pick at all But people like you don’t get it. Two starting level OLs were passed up because of that moron’s total inability to judge that positions. Reese was a fucking idiot. Period. One of the worst in the league. The problem was he should have been fired ALONG w Caughlin.

The inbred idiots who keep defending the guy for making one good pick a year of that need to stop defending the guy. He was inept. As his drafts and shifty FA cal killing deals show.


Worst in the league but somehow has 2 Lombardi’s to his name as a GM.

A ton of things led to the disaster it wasn’t just Reese.
He was on the field for a number of big runs today.  
WillieYoung : 12/9/2018 7:45 pm : link
Not at the point of attack, but sealing the backside. He's improving but not a number 1
...  
christian : 12/9/2018 7:49 pm : link
It's not hard, just throw him the ball and let him run.
RE: But I see a WR not a TE  
KeoweeFan : 12/9/2018 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14211457 JohnB said:
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Good WR but isn't even a decent TE.

Are there not a number of TEs these days who are not “complete” but can still be effective in a TE/Hback role?
I would assume you could always shift him to the slot or out wide to create a missmatch.
Would he miss that much not being in the WR room?
We no longer have Mike Pope, but I believe he has the body and desire to be coached up to be a better TE. He was never asked to block in college.

A serious question; if he is really better at WR than TE why did they put him there in college? Were they overloaded at WR?
RE: RE: RE: But Reese drafted him  
FStubbs : 12/9/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14211677 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14211490 LauderdaleMatty said:


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In comment 14211449 Les in TO said:


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So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted



He’s a good kid and wasn’t a bad pick at all But people like you don’t get it. Two starting level OLs were passed up because of that moron’s total inability to judge that positions. Reese was a fucking idiot. Period. One of the worst in the league. The problem was he should have been fired ALONG w Caughlin.

The inbred idiots who keep defending the guy for making one good pick a year of that need to stop defending the guy. He was inept. As his drafts and shifty FA cal killing deals show.



Worst in the league but somehow has 2 Lombardi’s to his name as a GM.

A ton of things led to the disaster it wasn’t just Reese.


The current narrative is that Reese either:

1) Held us back from winning 4-5 Lombardis, and/or
2) The Lombardis he won were really due to Accorsi and Gettleman.

I think Reese's tenure can be split in 2. The first half, he was a good GM - clearly since he won 2 Superbowls. The second half, he got arrogant and thought he could just patch the team and replicate 2007/2011, and by the time he realized he couldn't, it was too late. That and he spent 2 #1s and a #2 on the offensive line and it continued to get worse.

Now Chris Mara got his promotion after 2011. I'm not sure what role that played either.
RE: But I see a WR not a TE  
Beer Man : 12/9/2018 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14211457 JohnB said:
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Good WR but isn't even a decent TE.
Agree in many O-systems, but I think he is a tweener TE in Pat S' O.
RE: RE: But Reese drafted him  
Jerry from Maine : 12/9/2018 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14211490 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 14211449 Les in TO said: Tell us how you really feel. :)


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So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted



He’s a good kid and wasn’t a bad pick at all But people like you don’t get it. Two starting level OLs were passed up because of that moron’s total inability to judge that positions. Reese was a fucking idiot. Period. One of the worst in the league. The problem was he should have been fired ALONG w Caughlin.

The inbred idiots who keep defending the guy for making one good pick a year of that need to stop defending the guy. He was inept. As his drafts and shifty FA cal killing deals show.
RE: But Reese drafted him  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/9/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14211449 Les in TO said:
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So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted


Do you ever shut the fuck up? Jesus Christ
RE: But Reese drafted him  
dep026 : 12/9/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14211449 Les in TO said:
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So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted


We can officially say your opinions sucks and you are here just to troll the board.

Doubt you’re even a Giants fan.
Engram is not a WR.....  
Doomster : 12/9/2018 8:59 pm : link
The guy has straight line speed, but loses quickness coming out of breaks....

As for the two long receptions? The First one, he helped to pass block, and slipped out at the LOS and was wide open because no one covered him.....

The Second, was a 2 yard pass...if the DB didn't go for the int, he would have been tackled for a 2 yard gain....

I just don't understand the Giants not using him on more seam patterns where he is up to speed, instead of these short patterns...
He made  
TommyWiseau : 12/9/2018 9:19 pm : link
Some nicd chip blocks today. I hope he continues to improve. He is only 24 years old afterall
Hahahha  
KWALL2 : 12/9/2018 9:23 pm : link
“The guy has straight line speed, but loses quickness coming out of breaks....”

Total.

BS.

He.can plant and explode. Excellent lateral quicks.
KWALL2  
Doomster : 12/9/2018 9:27 pm : link
I disagree.....
I’d trade him for a third in a heartbeat  
BillT : 12/9/2018 9:32 pm : link
He’s a player without a position. He’s neither a true TE or a WR. There’s a cost to playing him even with his talent. If you play him as a 2nd TE you either sacrifice blocking over a true TE or receiving skills over a true WR. Looking for a draft day trade.
RE: If they put him in position  
Bill in UT : 12/9/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14211465 Eman11 said:
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To do what he does best, he can be a real asset.


If he'd do what he should do best with some degree of consistency he'd be an asset and be put in that position more often, at least you'd hope. That said, he's made a couple of big plays in the last 2-3 weeks.
I think that the more the rest of the offense inproves the more  
yatqb : 12/9/2018 9:56 pm : link
valuable Engram will become. He'll be like a Jordan Reed if teams have to play 8 in the box AND double OBJ.
I totally agree  
mattlawson : 12/9/2018 11:16 pm : link
Fast as hell. Can’t wait to have all the pieces out there
RE: KWALL2  
mattlawson : 12/9/2018 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14211974 Doomster said:
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I disagree.....


For anyone that was at the game today he was the fastest person on the field when given the chance. Lightning quick upfield
With the right coaching and opportunity ...  
Manny in CA : 12/9/2018 11:48 pm : link

He can be as good as Brandon Marshall (6'5", 232) was in his prime. Marshall ran a 4.52 forty, Engram, 4.4.

Neither is shifty, just tall, fast and strong.
It was an encouraging reminder  
santacruzom : 12/10/2018 1:02 am : link
He's got a ways to go before he can be considered to be as good as someone like Kittle, but I'm not giving up on him just yet
RE: But Reese drafted him  
chopperhatch : 12/10/2018 1:03 am : link
In comment 14211449 Les in TO said:
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So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted


More kernels from Les than smart in TO
RE: I keep saying ...  
NikkiMac : 12/10/2018 6:29 am : link
In comment 14211665 Manny in CA said:
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He's a WR not a TE !

When he gets just a little space, he runs away from corners and safeties. Only reason he didn't' score today on the 39 yard run is because he had four defenders cutting him off.

At 240 6'3", and running a 4.4 forty he is a mismatch both in the passing game and leveling little defenders, down-field in the run game for Barkley.

He has ALL PRO ability, he's just mis-placed with the Giants.



I think Shurmur is starting to figure that out .....
Engram reminds me of what Dave Winfield once said...  
Milton : 12/10/2018 8:02 am : link
..of his speed: he's not gonna steal a lot of bases, but he'll kill you going from first to third.
Those banging on the WR not a TE drum  
JonC : 12/10/2018 8:05 am : link
need to learn about the concept of mismatches in football.
I remember how Plaxico ...  
Manny in CA : 12/10/2018 10:17 pm : link

Would knock the crap out of sometimes one or two CBs & safeties, blocking for our RBs - he loved doing that.

I want to see Engram get that chance with Barkley running wild.
I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/10/2018 10:24 pm : link
have to give credit to this fucknut:

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But Reese drafted him
Les in TO : 12/9/2018 6:42 pm : link : reply
So In the minds of all the St Tom brigade trolls he’s forever tainted


he actually made a post that didn't reference "fanboys". I mean his streak of posting absolute shit is intact, but I see some maturing going on....
We have watched a dozen nfl teams  
djm : 12/10/2018 10:28 pm : link
Over the few years benefit from some fast athletic TE that couldn’t block for shit. Why can’t we enjoy one of those guys? Would have been nice to have the tackle from that draft but engram has a lot of ability. Use him.
Mismatches, you say ? ...  
Manny in CA : 12/10/2018 10:39 pm : link

How about 240 lb. vs 300+lb. at the L.O.S = A mismatch (unfavorable)

How about 240 lb vs 200 lb = A mismatch (favorable)

How about 6'3" vs 6'0" = A mismatch (favorable)

How about 4.3-4-4 forty vs 4.4 - 4.5 forty = A mismatch (favorable)

Plaxico, Bramdon Marshall, AJ Green, to name just a few tall WRs who were/are natural mismatches
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