Is this true? Who do they have ranked ahead of him? If this isn't a great indicator that they need to re-evaluate their rankings then I dont know what is.
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Barkley might end up retiring as one of the greatest RBs in NFL history. It sounds crazy to put that on a 1st year player but he just looks it. DG wasn't using hyperbole to describe him. He is built for that 12+ year career which is rare for a RB. That will be the difference between him and Nick Chubb especially considering his knee injury. I don't think anyone expects someone like Gurley to last more that 7 or 8 years. Players like Chubb fade away due to the rigors of the NFL.
Barkley is basically the perfect back. He is Barry Sanders but 4 inches taller and 30lbs heavier with the same speed, quickness, vision, and agility. He is a bigger and stronger version of Marshall Faulk and LaDainian Tomlinson. He is also maybe the best receiving RB to ever come into the NFL. He has no weakness.
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But how much of Gurley have you watched the past 2 years?
Not to mention his lack of production his 2nd year w the rams under Fisher...
Gurley is excellent, but not "amazing", IMO. He simply isn't a creator the way SB is, and doesn't have nearly the agility to make people miss.
He is a beast, a workhorse, and big, strong, powerful and fast. But one would never compare him with Sanders or Gayle Sayers, IMO.
I have watched a LOT OF Rams games the past 2.5 years.
Hey BlueLou.. I have watched a lot of Rams games since Gurley joined the team. I think he is very special. In my opinion he has elite acceleration into the hole, great vision, he's very decisive and he has great (yes great) moves and agility for a back his size. Until Barkley came into the league he was hands down the best back in the league. He is also an excellent receiver who makes a lot happen in the open field and is tough to bring down.
I agree that Barkley has better overall athleticism. Barkley is quicker and has otherworldly moves and lateral agility for a back his size (Barkley and Gurley are about the same size. But Gurley is no slouch in that area. And at this stage of their careers Gurley is a superior back between the tackles. It is just his style. He is instinctive finding and hitting the hole with power and acceleration. And he does a very good job of making things happen if he is not tackled in the backfield.
IMO these two backs are not directly comparable. They do different things well, but they are both great at this stage of their careers.
Why was Gurley poor in 2016? He was stuck on an inept offense facing stacked boxes. The coaching situation in LA in 2016 was worse than the Giants this season. Gurley famously called it a middle school offense:
It is no surprise that as soon as they got a new coach things turned around.
In 2016 he was really in a difficult and moribund situation. One observer said he was hit behind the line of scrimmage on half of his carries.
That's my opinion anyway. 2016 is an outlier. Todd Gurley certainly looks amazing to me. Will Barkley be better? I think it remains to be seen - but he's looking great so far.
people just look at it from fantasy football stats. Look Barkley is by far the better RB. His ceiling is much higher. Hell he could be the best RB ever to play by the time this is over. Chubbs talent is not close to Barkley just go by what your eyes see. Barkley is a crazy athlete. If you would tell me that the Giants traded Barkley for Chubbs and a first I would be pissed off.
Hey BlueLou.. I have watched a lot of Rams games since Gurley joined the team. I think he is very special. In my opinion he has elite acceleration into the hole, great vision, he's very decisive and he has great (yes great) moves and agility for a back his size. Until Barkley came into the league he was hands down the best back in the league. He is also an excellent receiver who makes a lot happen in the open field and is tough to bring down.
I agree that Barkley has better overall athleticism. Barkley is quicker and has otherworldly moves and lateral agility for a back his size (Barkley and Gurley are about the same size. But Gurley is no slouch in that area. And at this stage of their careers Gurley is a superior back between the tackles. It is just his style. He is instinctive finding and hitting the hole with power and acceleration. And he does a very good job of making things happen if he is not tackled in the backfield.
IMO these two backs are not directly comparable. They do different things well, but they are both great at this stage of their careers.
Why was Gurley poor in 2016? He was stuck on an inept offense facing stacked boxes. The coaching situation in LA in 2016 was worse than the Giants this season. Gurley famously called it a middle school offense:
It is no surprise that as soon as they got a new coach things turned around.
In 2016 he was really in a difficult and moribund situation. One observer said he was hit behind the line of scrimmage on half of his carries.
That's my opinion anyway. 2016 is an outlier. Todd Gurley certainly looks amazing to me. Will Barkley be better? I think it remains to be seen - but he's looking great so far.
We'll agree that until Barkley entered the League Gurley was the best RB. Qualitatively I see a bigger difference between the two than you do, but I could be wearing blue tinted lenses when I see that.
Check out NFL.com's 2018 rushing leaders board. One stat of Saquon's really sticks out like a sore thumb, especially after today's games: runs > 40 yards. SB has 6 of 'em, TG has 0. Runs > 20 yards, SB has 14, TG 10.
I dunno if the runs greater than 40 also count amongst the greater than 20 or if they are pulled out... If they are not double counted, that makes SB with 20 runs over either 20 or 40 yards. Nfl rushing leaders - ( New Window )
That PFF ranking is garbage. Chubb and Gus Edwards have only played just recently, how do they justify those ratings without taking volume into account?
As good as Barkley has been, a 1-2 of Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Jackson and Chubb would have been special.
Not to mention his lack of production his 2nd year w the rams under Fisher...
Gurley is excellent, but not "amazing", IMO. He simply isn't a creator the way SB is, and doesn't have nearly the agility to make people miss.
He is a beast, a workhorse, and big, strong, powerful and fast. But one would never compare him with Sanders or Gayle Sayers, IMO.
I have watched a LOT OF Rams games the past 2.5 years.
Is this true? Who do they have ranked ahead of him? If this isn't a great indicator that they need to re-evaluate their rankings then I dont know what is.
Barkley is basically the perfect back. He is Barry Sanders but 4 inches taller and 30lbs heavier with the same speed, quickness, vision, and agility. He is a bigger and stronger version of Marshall Faulk and LaDainian Tomlinson. He is also maybe the best receiving RB to ever come into the NFL. He has no weakness.
Not to mention his lack of production his 2nd year w the rams under Fisher...
Gurley is excellent, but not "amazing", IMO. He simply isn't a creator the way SB is, and doesn't have nearly the agility to make people miss.
He is a beast, a workhorse, and big, strong, powerful and fast. But one would never compare him with Sanders or Gayle Sayers, IMO.
I have watched a LOT OF Rams games the past 2.5 years.
Hey BlueLou.. I have watched a lot of Rams games since Gurley joined the team. I think he is very special. In my opinion he has elite acceleration into the hole, great vision, he's very decisive and he has great (yes great) moves and agility for a back his size. Until Barkley came into the league he was hands down the best back in the league. He is also an excellent receiver who makes a lot happen in the open field and is tough to bring down.
I agree that Barkley has better overall athleticism. Barkley is quicker and has otherworldly moves and lateral agility for a back his size (Barkley and Gurley are about the same size. But Gurley is no slouch in that area. And at this stage of their careers Gurley is a superior back between the tackles. It is just his style. He is instinctive finding and hitting the hole with power and acceleration. And he does a very good job of making things happen if he is not tackled in the backfield.
IMO these two backs are not directly comparable. They do different things well, but they are both great at this stage of their careers.
Why was Gurley poor in 2016? He was stuck on an inept offense facing stacked boxes. The coaching situation in LA in 2016 was worse than the Giants this season. Gurley famously called it a middle school offense:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/12/12/rams-todd-gurley-middle-school-offense
It is no surprise that as soon as they got a new coach things turned around.
In 2016 he was really in a difficult and moribund situation. One observer said he was hit behind the line of scrimmage on half of his carries.
That's my opinion anyway. 2016 is an outlier. Todd Gurley certainly looks amazing to me. Will Barkley be better? I think it remains to be seen - but he's looking great so far.
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Plays behind a far inferior line than Gurley, any Saints back, Zeke, McCafrey, and even Chubb.
Gurley wasn’t even in the conversation when Jeff Fisher was running the show. OL and scheme matters.
Put a quality line in front of Barkley and he’s the best back in the league without question. He already is, just not in the eyes of stat dorks.
I am a Giants fan but it is sort of ludicrous to suggest that it isn't close between Barkley and Gurley. Gurley is amazing too.
Gurley is a good back but he’s not as good as Barkley.
If they devised a ratings system that results in Gurley being ranked 12th, it's time to scrap that system and call it a day.
Hey BlueLou.. I have watched a lot of Rams games since Gurley joined the team. I think he is very special. In my opinion he has elite acceleration into the hole, great vision, he's very decisive and he has great (yes great) moves and agility for a back his size. Until Barkley came into the league he was hands down the best back in the league. He is also an excellent receiver who makes a lot happen in the open field and is tough to bring down.
I agree that Barkley has better overall athleticism. Barkley is quicker and has otherworldly moves and lateral agility for a back his size (Barkley and Gurley are about the same size. But Gurley is no slouch in that area. And at this stage of their careers Gurley is a superior back between the tackles. It is just his style. He is instinctive finding and hitting the hole with power and acceleration. And he does a very good job of making things happen if he is not tackled in the backfield.
IMO these two backs are not directly comparable. They do different things well, but they are both great at this stage of their careers.
Why was Gurley poor in 2016? He was stuck on an inept offense facing stacked boxes. The coaching situation in LA in 2016 was worse than the Giants this season. Gurley famously called it a middle school offense:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/12/12/rams-todd-gurley-middle-school-offense
It is no surprise that as soon as they got a new coach things turned around.
In 2016 he was really in a difficult and moribund situation. One observer said he was hit behind the line of scrimmage on half of his carries.
That's my opinion anyway. 2016 is an outlier. Todd Gurley certainly looks amazing to me. Will Barkley be better? I think it remains to be seen - but he's looking great so far.
We'll agree that until Barkley entered the League Gurley was the best RB. Qualitatively I see a bigger difference between the two than you do, but I could be wearing blue tinted lenses when I see that.
Check out NFL.com's 2018 rushing leaders board. One stat of Saquon's really sticks out like a sore thumb, especially after today's games: runs > 40 yards. SB has 6 of 'em, TG has 0. Runs > 20 yards, SB has 14, TG 10.
I dunno if the runs greater than 40 also count amongst the greater than 20 or if they are pulled out... If they are not double counted, that makes SB with 20 runs over either 20 or 40 yards.
Nfl rushing leaders - ( New Window )
I disagree. He makes it look hard, but he's simply doing it easily!