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RutgersGiantsFan : 12/9/2018 8:45 pm
With the Cowboys win over the Eagles, the Giants have been eliminated from NFC East contention. But they are still alive in the wild card race. Here is what they need to have happen:

1. Beat TEN, @IND, DAL
2. PHI/WAS Week 17 winner need to lose TWO, while the loser needs to lose ONE. That game is in Washington. In their other two games, WAS plays @JAX and @TEN, while PHI plays @LAR and HOU.
If WAS AND PHI both finish ahead of NYG, the Giants are eliminated. If only one finishes ahead of NYG, NYG needs ALL of the following to occur. If NYG finish ahead of both PHI and WAS, NYG needs THREE of the following to occur:

I. SEA loses ALL from MIN, @ SF, KC, ARI

II. CAR loses TWO from NO, ATL, @NO

III. TB loses ONE from @BAL, @DAL, ATL AND DET loses ONE from @BUF, MIN, @GB**

IV. To satisfy this roman numeral, NYG needs TWO of the following to occur

a. GB loses ONE from @CHI, @NYJ, DET
b. MIN loses THREE from @SEA, MIA, @DET, CHI
c. CHI loses ALL from LAR, GB, @SF, @MIN*

*NYG will only be able to catch CHI if SEA, CAR, PHI, and WAS all don't finish exactly 8-8 as NYG wins head-to-head tiebreaker with CHI but loses three-way ties involving CHI and SEA/CAR/PHI/WAS

**If CHI finishes 8-8 then NYG won't need DET to lose in this scenario as CHI wins head-to-head tiebreaker over DET and NYG would win a three-way tie with CHI and TB.
you mean  
spike : 12/9/2018 8:47 pm : link
there is a chance??
Giants most likely path to playoffs  
BlackLight : 12/9/2018 8:55 pm : link


DAL over PHI (Check!)
SEA over MIN (Tomorrow night!)

CAR loses 2 of 3 to NO, ATL, NO

PHI loses 2 of 3 to LAR, HOU, WAS

MIN loses 2 of 3 to MIA, DET, CHI

GB loses 1 of 3 to CHI, NYJ, DET

NYG beats TEN, IND, and DAL

Giants would travel to CHI for WC game
we beat Chicago once  
spike : 12/9/2018 8:59 pm : link
we can beat them again!
Math is hard  
PatersonPlank : 12/9/2018 9:03 pm : link
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Oh please...  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/9/2018 9:03 pm : link
C'mon now.
Not much of a chance..  
halfback20 : 12/9/2018 9:10 pm : link
But there is a small one.

I'll keep watching regardless.
RE: Giants most likely path to playoffs  
Danny Kanell : 12/9/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14211882 BlackLight said:
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DAL over PHI (Check!)
SEA over MIN (Tomorrow night!)

CAR loses 2 of 3 to NO, ATL, NO

PHI loses 2 of 3 to LAR, HOU, WAS

MIN loses 2 of 3 to MIA, DET, CHI

GB loses 1 of 3 to CHI, NYJ, DET

NYG beats TEN, IND, and DAL

Giants would travel to CHI for WC game


Better than being mathematically eliminated. At 1-7, never in a million years did I think there would still be playoff scenarios going into week 15.
RE: Giants most likely path to playoffs  
GoDeep13 : 12/9/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14211882 BlackLight said:
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DAL over PHI (Check!)
SEA over MIN (Tomorrow night!)

CAR loses 2 of 3 to NO, ATL, NO

PHI loses 2 of 3 to LAR, HOU, WAS

MIN loses 2 of 3 to MIA, DET, CHI

GB loses 1 of 3 to CHI, NYJ, DET

NYG beats TEN, IND, and DAL

Giants would travel to CHI for WC game
the toughest parts of this are Vikings losing 2 and beating DAL in week 17.
Rutgers - good work as always  
ray in arlington : 12/9/2018 10:04 pm : link
I have to help my daughter with her science project so I'm out of the loop for now. My question is:

- Why is TB loss required? If TB finished 8-8 and CAR 7-9, giants could take tiebreak over TB (assuming we move SEA ahead and drop the vikes and other teams out)

Week 16 officially eliminated then  
micky : 12/9/2018 10:04 pm : link
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RE: Rutgers - good work as always  
ray in arlington : 12/9/2018 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14212047 ray in arlington said:
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I have to help my daughter with her science project so I'm out of the loop for now. My question is:

- Why is TB loss required? If TB finished 8-8 and CAR 7-9, giants could take tiebreak over TB (assuming we move SEA ahead and drop the vikes and other teams out)



I see TB loss is not required, but it still looks to me that this case is not covered.


Also is it possible that there is a DAL division win, WAS and NYG at 8-8, WAS beats TB on tiebreak head-to-head for 1st spot and then NYG beat TB on tiebreak head-to-head?
RE: RE: Rutgers - good work as always  
RutgersGiantsFan : 12/9/2018 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14212051 ray in arlington said:
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In comment 14212047 ray in arlington said:


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I have to help my daughter with her science project so I'm out of the loop for now. My question is:

- Why is TB loss required? If TB finished 8-8 and CAR 7-9, giants could take tiebreak over TB (assuming we move SEA ahead and drop the vikes and other teams out)





I see TB loss is not required, but it still looks to me that this case is not covered.


Also is it possible that there is a DAL division win, WAS and NYG at 8-8, WAS beats TB on tiebreak head-to-head for 1st spot and then NYG beat TB on tiebreak head-to-head?


Thank you, Ray. A TB loss is required only if DET wins out and creates a three-way tie with DET/TB/NYG. In this case, DET "shields" TB from NYG. DET didn't play TB or NYG, so head-to-head is not applicable. TB would then make it over NYG and DET by having a better conference record.
That is certainly doable  
mattlawson : 12/9/2018 10:26 pm : link
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BleedBlue : 12/9/2018 10:28 pm : link
If we didn't blow Philly game we would be one game back once Minny loses morrow night.

If we also didn't lose on fucking 63 yard FLUKE we would be IN the playoffs with a Minny loss tomorrow. Fucking sad
RE: RE: RE: Rutgers - good work as always  
ray in arlington : 12/9/2018 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14212074 RutgersGiantsFan said:
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I have to help my daughter with her science project so I'm out of the loop for now. My question is:

- Why is TB loss required? If TB finished 8-8 and CAR 7-9, giants could take tiebreak over TB (assuming we move SEA ahead and drop the vikes and other teams out)





I see TB loss is not required, but it still looks to me that this case is not covered.


Also is it possible that there is a DAL division win, WAS and NYG at 8-8, WAS beats TB on tiebreak head-to-head for 1st spot and then NYG beat TB on tiebreak head-to-head?



Thank you, Ray. A TB loss is required only if DET wins out and creates a three-way tie with DET/TB/NYG. In this case, DET "shields" TB from NYG. DET didn't play TB or NYG, so head-to-head is not applicable. TB would then make it over NYG and DET by having a better conference record.


So that item should be TB loss OR Det loss, right?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Rutgers - good work as always  
RutgersGiantsFan : 12/9/2018 10:54 pm : link
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I have to help my daughter with her science project so I'm out of the loop for now. My question is:

- Why is TB loss required? If TB finished 8-8 and CAR 7-9, giants could take tiebreak over TB (assuming we move SEA ahead and drop the vikes and other teams out)





I see TB loss is not required, but it still looks to me that this case is not covered.


Also is it possible that there is a DAL division win, WAS and NYG at 8-8, WAS beats TB on tiebreak head-to-head for 1st spot and then NYG beat TB on tiebreak head-to-head?



Thank you, Ray. A TB loss is required only if DET wins out and creates a three-way tie with DET/TB/NYG. In this case, DET "shields" TB from NYG. DET didn't play TB or NYG, so head-to-head is not applicable. TB would then make it over NYG and DET by having a better conference record.



So that item should be TB loss OR Det loss, right?


Yes that's right. Should be "OR" instead of "AND" as NYG would win a two-way tie over DET on common opponents. Thanks for pointing that out.
If we make some simplifying assumptions  
ray in arlington : 12/9/2018 11:09 pm : link
NYG win out.
CHI wins 1 game.
DET loses 1 game
SEA wins 1 game.

WAS and PHI both finish worse than 8-8.


Then Giants need:
3 MIN losses (if SEA beats MIN, only need 2 more MIN losses)
2 CAR losses
1 GB loss


all that really matters is that giants win out. that’s in our control.  
plato : 12/10/2018 12:46 am : link
after that it’s up tp the gods of football or humor, and we can’t control any of that.
Any talk about possible playoff scenarios in Week 15........  
Tom [Giants fan] : 12/10/2018 8:35 am : link
after a 1-7 start is very welcomed!! No matter how unlikely it may be. It is better than only focusing on draft order.
As unlikely as the playoff possibility is  
csh2z : 12/10/2018 11:21 am : link
If the Giants do get in, it's because they became a very good team. Nobody knows more than us, how important it is to get hot at the right time. Three tough games coming up, pass that test and anything can happen.
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