Shumur on Lauletta...ouch

especially about his assessment of Lauletta and his potential. Shurmur imo more likely commenting on the constant chatter about whether Lauletta would see the field.

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In comment 14212136 FJ said:

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I didn't realize Sanchez played defense. What the fuck does Sanchez have to do with Eli's performance Why should I be surprised that bw is taking another pointless shot at Eli and the Giants? Tell me, did your Redskins raise the bar again today?

Where am I taking a shot at Eli?

I’m merely pointing out we beat a team that is very bad right now. And we shouldn’t use it as significant benchmark for the season.

As far as beating the Skins today who are decimated with injuries good for the GMEN. Their are no apologies in the NFL. The Giants are currently a team trying to learn how to win games and build a winning culture in the locker room. Enough said.
Next week is a big test for them against the Titans.

In comment 14212067 Sy'56 said:

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The grass isn't always greener. Although a lot of fans and media-members fail to notice that. Manning won his 2019 job today.

Good. Then we'll be right back here next year when this team stinks, and we wonder why - again - we can't get a damn QB to win some games. Beating Mullens, Fitzpatrick, Daniel, and Sanchez should do nothing to win anyone a job.

the media about a 4th round project who has the same odds of being another Tom Brady as all the other Tom Bradys we’ve seen during the past 20 years.

And he considers it incredibly insulting personally ... as though some news reporter knows better than he does about his decision to cast his own future on Eli Manning.

to prove a point.

Watch the actual press conference. I don't think Shurmur was taking a dig at Lauletta, I just think he was addressing the idea that the media was thirsting to see Lauletta play, and he was like, "So you finally got a look." He could have phrased it better so it didn't seem like a diss, but his tone and the off-hand way he said it didn't seem to imply any nasty critique to me.

I know it's easy to poke holes at a struggling coach, but if Shurmur really was as petty with the players as some try to make him out to be, then why is this locker room still pulling together under him? You'd think we'd know the difference after what we saw in 2017.

Somehow the coach has the Giants playing winning football. It is time to wait and see if he can keep it going.

rather than quoting one sentence.
https://www.giants.com/video/pat-shurmur-recaps-giants-win-over-washington - ( New Window )

Shurmur is right. Shurmur was basically saying "Now you can shut the heck up and let me coach the team, thanks!"

Media hasn't shut up about Lauletta for weeks, it's gotta be irritating to constantly field the questions. If you listen to Boomer and Gio on WFAN, every morning for the last 8 weeks Gio has said "Oh my god, why haven't they played Lauletta yet!!!"

You would think they might of gotten the clue that

a. he's simply not prepared/ready
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b. he isn't impressing coaching staff, maybe expect him to be a bust

..by the fact that he wasn't even active when media was clamoring for him.

In comment 14212091 yatqb said:

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Essentially, he said that the kid came in at a hand off and play action point in the game and that it's unfair to evaluate him based upon that. He did say he'd have preferred that Lauletta didn't throw the INT, but that was a reasonable comment IMO. The line that Matt referenced was a throw away joke that Shurmur said at the end of his comments on Lauletta, with a smile on his face. He was clearly kidding with the writers, not saying something intentionally disparaging regarding Lauletta.

This. And Sheppard didn’t come back to the ball. That pick wasn’t all on lauletta

In comment 14212075 Earl the goat said:

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In comment 14212067 Sy'56 said: Quote: The grass isn't always greener. Although a lot of fans and media-members fail to notice that. Manning won his 2019 job today. True that Manning won his 2019 job today It would also be nice if he took a big pay cut so they can sign an offensive lineman to protect his old aging slow body

You don't want him to take a paycut. In the NFL that basically comes from a reztructure, which will rdsult in a salary reduction, but convert it to guaranteed money. The good part is that gets amortuzed. The bad news is that means the contract is essentially extended. We don't want that in this case. If Manning is on the team, he will be playing out his final year on his existing contract.

In comment 14212162 Giants34 said:

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In comment 14212067 Sy'56 said: Quote: The grass isn't always greener. Although a lot of fans and media-members fail to notice that. Manning won his 2019 job today. Good. Then we'll be right back here next year when this team stinks, and we wonder why - again - we can't get a damn QB to win some games. Beating Mullens, Fitzpatrick, Daniel, and Sanchez should do nothing to win anyone a job.

Did any of those people you mentioned play defense? Has anyone else put up 40 points in 3 quarters against Washington? The Bear's defense just held the mighty rams to 6 point, none in the second half. Eli put up 30 against them.

They only took a QB for show and a chance especially in the 4th round

And how does anybody here know if Shurmur had input ......let me tell you Parcells didn’t have much input that’s why he said I need to shop for the groceries

And Like Sy said Eli won his 2019 job yesterday ...... I wouldn’t be surprised if Shurmur asks the Giants to draft his son next year ......

I especially like the comment that Blames Shurmur for KL's crappy play.

Hopefully the coach doesn't get as upset with folks misspelling his name....

NFL world was calling for Eli to be benched and to see what Lauletta has. Lauletta has a less than one percent chance of being the guy after this. Imagine putting him to a game from the jump? How about we start him against Dallas week 17 if the game means something to Dallas to see what he has?

He would be a blue white streak on the turf and benched or hurt after his third pick/fumble.

It was asinine to call for him when he is not the guy now and likely never will be.

Also, agree Eli is coming back next year and frankly I am for it. Make a fucking run at it, the team is getting better.

Also, to hell with the media, if you win you can say whatever you want, it is very simple and I ignore all things about what a coach says to these journalists, I use the term loosely, who are looking to destroy if needed to get attention. I understand it is their job, but if the Giants win Shurmur can go up there and sing karaoke and no one will care. If they lose he can be the most candid and diplomatic and he will be run out of town. Sports are simple like that.

Lauletta looked horrible, should a long term conclusion be drawn from that alone, no. But, he is not the messiah who must be seen and worth benching Eli for. Particularly when Shurmur needs to win for his own job. He knows who gives him the best chance.

In comment 14212091 yatqb said:

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Essentially, he said that the kid came in at a hand off and play action point in the game and that it's unfair to evaluate him based upon that. He did say he'd have preferred that Lauletta didn't throw the INT, but that was a reasonable comment IMO. The line that Matt referenced was a throw away joke that Shurmur said at the end of his comments on Lauletta, with a smile on his face. He was clearly kidding with the writers, not saying something intentionally disparaging regarding Lauletta.

Thanks yayqb. Unfortunately the pitchfork and ax gang have already made up their minds without reading or seeing the entire quote.

In comment 14212276 NikkiMac said:

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They only took a QB for show and a chance especially in the 4th round And how does anybody here know if Shurmur had input ......let me tell you Parcells didn’t have much input that’s why he said I need to shop for the groceries And Like Sy said Eli won his 2019 job yesterday ...... I wouldn’t be surprised if Shurmur asks the Giants to draft his son next year ......

They took a QB just for show? Ok....

The media and fans just wanting to throw him out there and see what he's got have unrealistic expectations.

And I'm a poster that advocated heavily for Lauletta. And what he did yesterday changes nothing more me, because I always knew he'd be the type of pick that needed to sit a year or two.

I think it's funny what Shurmur said because it's true. And it's like he said it directly to half of BBI.

In comment 14212329 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14212276 NikkiMac said: Quote: They only took a QB for show and a chance especially in the 4th round And how does anybody here know if Shurmur had input ......let me tell you Parcells didn’t have much input that’s why he said I need to shop for the groceries And Like Sy said Eli won his 2019 job yesterday ...... I wouldn’t be surprised if Shurmur asks the Giants to draft his son next year ...... They took a QB just for show? Ok....

Yea I believe to appease the fans and a long shot ......

In comment 14212276 NikkiMac said:

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They only took a QB for show and a chance especially in the 4th round

what the hell is this supposed to mean?

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Still a headscratcher of a pick. Throwaway pick aiMO.

In comment 14212349 NikkiMac said:

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In comment 14212329 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14212276 NikkiMac said: Quote: They only took a QB for show and a chance especially in the 4th round And how does anybody here know if Shurmur had input ......let me tell you Parcells didn’t have much input that’s why he said I need to shop for the groceries And Like Sy said Eli won his 2019 job yesterday ...... I wouldn’t be surprised if Shurmur asks the Giants to draft his son next year ...... They took a QB just for show? Ok.... Yea I believe to appease the fans and a long shot ......

You truly believe they wasted a draft pick on a quarterback they knew couldn’t play to say “hey we took a QB”?

You truly believe this?

the Giants just scored 40 points in a game - w/o Beckham in the line up -- and half of you are butt hurt over the coaches comments about Lauletta?

damn

The NFL is a business is it not

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The NFL is a business is it not

What?

I mean? What?

In comment 14212091 yatqb said:

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Essentially, he said that the kid came in at a hand off and play action point in the game and that it's unfair to evaluate him based upon that. He did say he'd have preferred that Lauletta didn't throw the INT, but that was a reasonable comment IMO. The line that Matt referenced was a throw away joke that Shurmur said at the end of his comments on Lauletta, with a smile on his face. He was clearly kidding with the writers, not saying something intentionally disparaging regarding Lauletta.

I listened to the whole conference. And yes his comment was in a smiling nature to the press I presume to tell them to stop bothering him about seeing what Lauletta could do.

But knowing how KL looked in that game, it was a comment that was uncalled for because he used his player as an "i told you so" reply as opposed to saying something more like his development will continue or more generic/bland.

i didn't like it...

In comment 14212359 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14212349 NikkiMac said: Quote: In comment 14212329 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14212276 NikkiMac said: Quote: They only took a QB for show and a chance especially in the 4th round And how does anybody here know if Shurmur had input ......let me tell you Parcells didn’t have much input that’s why he said I need to shop for the groceries And Like Sy said Eli won his 2019 job yesterday ...... I wouldn’t be surprised if Shurmur asks the Giants to draft his son next year ...... They took a QB just for show? Ok.... Yea I believe to appease the fans and a long shot ...... You truly believe they wasted a draft pick on a quarterback they knew couldn’t play to say “hey we took a QB”? You truly believe this?

Look I know it’s off the wall I get that from your tone but I’m a conspiracy guy I think everything is shady sometimes pardon me and I never said they knew he had no talent , I said they viewed him as a long shot ......

In comment 14212371 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14212091 yatqb said: Quote: Essentially, he said that the kid came in at a hand off and play action point in the game and that it's unfair to evaluate him based upon that. He did say he'd have preferred that Lauletta didn't throw the INT, but that was a reasonable comment IMO. The line that Matt referenced was a throw away joke that Shurmur said at the end of his comments on Lauletta, with a smile on his face. He was clearly kidding with the writers, not saying something intentionally disparaging regarding Lauletta. I listened to the whole conference. And yes his comment was in a smiling nature to the press I presume to tell them to stop bothering him about seeing what Lauletta could do. But knowing how KL looked in that game, it was a comment that was uncalled for because he used his player as an "i told you so" reply as opposed to saying something more like his development will continue or more generic/bland. i didn't like it...

Is it possible that Shurmur has never been to enamored with this kid hence the treatment ?

given how his comments reflect on the rookie.

At the same time, those who wanted to see KL in action got their wish. Predictably, there's a ton of work to do and most of it falls on the kid to get it done.

In comment 14212377 NikkiMac said:

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I listened to the whole conference. And yes his comment was in a smiling nature to the press I presume to tell them to stop bothering him about seeing what Lauletta could do. But knowing how KL looked in that game, it was a comment that was uncalled for because he used his player as an "i told you so" reply as opposed to saying something more like his development will continue or more generic/bland. i didn't like it... Is it possible that Shurmur has never been to enamored with this kid hence the treatment ?

Yes its possible. And that would clearly make it fall in the "uncalled for" bucket for a HC...

...for both teams, I would expect the Giants to start Lauletta (or at the very least, give him a full half of work), especially if the Cowboys are resting Prescott and others. On the other hand, if the Cowboys are jockeying with other teams for playoff position, the Giants may feel the honorable thing is to start Eli. Either way, I don't think we've seen the last of Lauletta this year.
p.s.--Years from now we will be referring to him as Last Laugh Lauletta.

In comment 14212091 yatqb said:

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Essentially, he said that the kid came in at a hand off and play action point in the game and that it's unfair to evaluate him based upon that. He did say he'd have preferred that Lauletta didn't throw the INT, but that was a reasonable comment IMO. The line that Matt referenced was a throw away joke that Shurmur said at the end of his comments on Lauletta, with a smile on his face. He was clearly kidding with the writers, not saying something intentionally disparaging regarding Lauletta.

Agreed. Lauletta was poor, but making any conclusions off one game is ridiculous. I don't think Lauletta is Eli's long term successor, but let's see more before deciding he can't play in the NFL.

We know what we’re looking for," Shurmur said about drafting a quarterback at The Combine. "We know it when we see it.”

So coach, are we seeing it now in KL?

enough of your Eli bashing - the grass isn't any greener starting a rookie QB (any rookie QB). I thought the comment was a slight at the press more so than any player. IMO

In comment 14212424 UberAlias said:

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We know what we’re looking for," Shurmur said about drafting a quarterback at The Combine. "We know it when we see it.” So coach, are we seeing it now in KL?

He's a rookie fourth round pick. What exactly were your expectations for his first in game action?

Do you remember the first time Eli came in, in relief of Kurt Warner. Jerome McDougal.

it did not come across as snarky as it appears in written form.

At least to me

He made a great move and scored. Eli can't do that.

In comment 14212383 JonC said:

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given how his comments reflect on the rookie. At the same time, those who wanted to see KL in action got their wish. Predictably, there's a ton of work to do and most of it falls on the kid to get it done.

I agree with this. Shurmur seems to care a little too much about what the media thinks. Hopefully, he learns to not get involved in these stupid squabbles and just coach the team. On the other hand, he also likes to challenge players, sometimes publicly. Maybe he feels KL needs to work harder.

thanks for pointing out the full context. To be fair, I went with the quote that I saw. That does make it feel much less "prickish" from Shurmur.

All of you that were calling to see him in that game that it was PREMATURE. There is a reason why he was drafted in the 4th round and it will take time for PS and Co. to work with the young man to get him acclimated with the NFL game and this offense.

Eli may not be as sharp as he used to be, but he is still one of the more intelligent players to play the position. Even he took time to learn this offense, and he was taking all of the snaps.

The fact that many wanted Lauletta out there, regardless if he was ready or not just to satisfy their need to see someone else in there, was always ridiculous. Lauletta should remain the #2 QB and come in if there are any other blowouts. That is it.

He should also not be a reason why the Giants don't draft a QB next year. I say all this to say that I am a Lauletta fan, and I think he should get a chance to play at some point. But not before the coaches think he is ready. They would only be doing him a disservice by playing him before that. Yesterday was a great game to get his feet wet, and he will get better from it.

In comment 14212256 dank41 said:

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Shurmur is right. Shurmur was basically saying "Now you can shut the heck up and let me coach the team, thanks!" Media hasn't shut up about Lauletta for weeks, it's gotta be irritating to constantly field the questions.

BINGO!

Its not anyone on the roster now. We need to draft a QB in the draft (if there are good ones after combine workouts), trade for one like Carr, or wait until the 202 draft (which would be pushing it and depend on our draft position).

In comment 14212466 Pete in MD said:

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In comment 14212383 JonC said: Quote: given how his comments reflect on the rookie. At the same time, those who wanted to see KL in action got their wish. Predictably, there's a ton of work to do and most of it falls on the kid to get it done. I agree with this. Shurmur seems to care a little too much about what the media thinks. Hopefully, he learns to not get involved in these stupid squabbles and just coach the team. On the other hand, he also likes to challenge players, sometimes publicly. Maybe he feels KL needs to work harder.

Agreed, he needs a bit thicker skin and ability to shrug them off with some intelligence so they approach him differently in turn.

Given the leap from Richmond to the NFL and KL's recent run ins with the law, it's not a stretch to suggest he needs to screw his head on straight in more ways than one.

In comment 14212517 gmen9892 said:

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All of you that were calling to see him in that game that it was PREMATURE. There is a reason why he was drafted in the 4th round and it will take time for PS and Co. to work with the young man to get him acclimated with the NFL game and this offense. Eli may not be as sharp as he used to be, but he is still one of the more intelligent players to play the position. Even he took time to learn this offense, and he was taking all of the snaps. The fact that many wanted Lauletta out there, regardless if he was ready or not just to satisfy their need to see someone else in there, was always ridiculous. Lauletta should remain the #2 QB and come in if there are any other blowouts. That is it. He should also not be a reason why the Giants don't draft a QB next year. I say all this to say that I am a Lauletta fan, and I think he should get a chance to play at some point. But not before the coaches think he is ready. They would only be doing him a disservice by playing him before that. Yesterday was a great game to get his feet wet, and he will get better from it.

This is it in a nutshell. Same thing with Davis Webb last year.

face that he was frustrated and unsure of things. Play moved way too fast for him. Regardless of arm strength, he just didn't look comfortable. Maybe next year he'll feel more comfortable and have a better idea of where to go with the ball.

listen to ALL of Shurmur’ s comments about Lauletta? He praised him for his poise, getting the team lined up, calling the play, getting the protection right. He added he would have liked a few more competitions and he wasn’t happy about the interception. He then made the admittedly, sarcastic comment concerning Lauletta ( shouldn’t have said it). It was more directed at the media for the “grass is greener” attitude not meant as a criticism of his QB. He knows Lauletta has a very long way to go to be a functional QB.

In comment 14212603 Dave on the UWS said:

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listen to ALL of Shurmur’ s comments about Lauletta? He praised him for his poise, getting the team lined up, calling the play, getting the protection right. He added he would have liked a few more competitions and he wasn’t happy about the interception. He then made the admittedly, sarcastic comment concerning Lauletta ( shouldn’t have said it). It was more directed at the media for the “grass is greener” attitude not meant as a criticism of his QB. He knows Lauletta has a very long way to go to be a functional QB.

Agreed, this was a shot at the media, etc... It was not a criticism of Lauletta.