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Snacks and Apple

djstat : 12/10/2018 12:09 am
Forgetting what compensation we got for these two, how do you think the trades impacted the team?

The defense seems to be playing better
We freed up Cap

Curious how people view the trades now in terms of on field play
I'm fine with both moves  
kennyd : 12/10/2018 12:15 am : link
Apple was under performing and Snacks (loved the guy but...) was expensive, getting up there and had some knee issues. Time to move on and hopefully get some productive players with the draft picks we got in the trades.
Did we free up cap space  
Phil S : 12/10/2018 12:15 am : link
compared to trading or cutting them after the season?
The draft choices we got  
Phil S : 12/10/2018 12:17 am : link
were hardly worth it.
RE: The draft choices we got  
kennyd : 12/10/2018 12:19 am : link
In comment 14212191 Phil S said:
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were hardly worth it.


That remains to be seen. The salary dump alone was probably worth it.
Addition  
Mr. Nickels : 12/10/2018 12:22 am : link
by subtraction
I still believe  
rasbutant : 12/10/2018 12:31 am : link
Snack should not have been traded

Glad apple was traded.
RE: Did we free up cap space  
YAJ2112 : 12/10/2018 1:15 am : link
In comment 14212190 Phil S said:
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compared to trading or cutting them after the season?


Yes. We saved their salaries for the rest of this year, and those savings can be rolled into next year's cap.
RE: The draft choices we got  
Stu11 : 12/10/2018 1:53 am : link
In comment 14212191 Phil S said:
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were hardly worth it.

The fact that we got any more than a wad of used sports tape for Apple was a complete steal.The guy is complete garbage, and in any kind of competitive situation with the Saints has been targeted and abused endlessly by the other team.
I love watching the youth on this team  
montanagiant : 12/10/2018 2:11 am : link
Filling in for those two
Prior to today  
Mike in NY : 12/10/2018 2:57 am : link
We were getting gashed in the running game and Snacks would have helped in that regard. I am worried about facing Henry and Lewis because Tennessee actually has a good OL
they're playing better because they faced 2 backups  
OdellBeckhamJr : 12/10/2018 3:15 am : link
having Snacks might have been enough to beat the Eagles, remember how upset everyone was with Gettleman trading him after that game?

Anyway, I like what montanagiant said, it's fun to see the young guys take over. We have used a bit of our draft resources on them.
I think our run stuffing game went down without Snacks  
Foobarbaz : 12/10/2018 4:22 am : link
We should of gotten at least a second or third for Collins
Snacks move is an example of getting rid of a guy a year early  
widmerseyebrow : 12/10/2018 5:14 am : link
Rather than a year too late. Physics will not be kind to those knees and his actual usage was down this year.

Apple was a no brainer dating back to last years mental meltdown.
RE: Snacks move is an example of getting rid of a guy a year early  
Foobarbaz : 12/10/2018 5:54 am : link
In comment 14212241 widmerseyebrow said:
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Rather than a year too late. Physics will not be kind to those knees and his actual usage was down this year.

Apple was a no brainer dating back to last years mental meltdown.


I agree plus Snacks is very aggressive player so I was always worried those knees would give up with all that weight
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 12/10/2018 6:08 am : link
1) 100% fine with the Apple deal

2) Was a little surprised by Snacks. I didn't mind trading him. I just think the return was bad at a 5th round pick

3) This notion that we ade getting gashed because of the Snacks deal is wrong We were getting gashed in the run game thiz year prior to the trade as well. He waz in the middle of a good, not greaf, season.

4) I agree with the nktion above that this was a case of dealing a guy ayear early rather than waiting a year too long. Wise move, especially with his cap njmber.
Fine with Apple but  
USAF NYG Fan : 12/10/2018 6:13 am : link
the Snacks trade was bad. I think we would be defending the run a ton better with Snacks in there. However, the Giants are showing improvement each game in defending the run without him. Maybe the other DTs just needed some game time.
Although Apple had a clean slate, he was on a short leash.  
Diver_Down : 12/10/2018 6:18 am : link
With questionable effort on a few plays, it was an easy decision to move on. Seeing Webb has been a pleasant surprise. He isn't going to earn any pro-bowls, but he doesn't quit either.

Snacks was a fan favorite, but there were too many issues that were becoming apparent. He has knee issues that aren't getting better. And despite the reputation of being a run stuffer, we were being run on with Snacks in the game. See the Saints game. I certainly would have liked a greater return on the trade, but I could see the reasoning behind it.
RE: The draft choices we got  
djstat : 12/10/2018 6:32 am : link
In comment 14212191 Phil S said:
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were hardly worth it.
clearly reading is not your strong point since the purposes was to ignore what the comp was. Besides what weíre you expecting for Apple who was a borderline locker room cancer iní17 and average player on a good day? Snacks was solid but really a 2 down player, with knee issues.
I thought this thread was about food.  
Ira : 12/10/2018 6:42 am : link
;)
Apple is probably never going  
bc4life : 12/10/2018 6:54 am : link
to justify his draft status.

Snacks - helluva player but 30 and knees - long term probably a good move. And, he might be happier in 4-3 defense
Apple just not  
Giant John : 12/10/2018 7:00 am : link
A great player. Lucky we got what we did. Snacks knee was a problem
RE: I love watching the youth on this team  
christian : 12/10/2018 7:26 am : link
In comment 14212224 montanagiant said:
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Filling in for those two


Hasn't B.W. Webb been filling in for Apple?
RE: The draft choices we got  
EricJ : 12/10/2018 7:56 am : link
In comment 14212191 Phil S said:
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were hardly worth it.


someone else who does not understand how NFL finances and contracts work.
Both were deemed to be personalities that needed to be gone  
JonC : 12/10/2018 8:01 am : link
hang onto that.
I think with Snacks  
English Alaister : 12/10/2018 8:03 am : link
the benefit more than the 5th rounder is shifting that cap room.

The other issue is he wasn't a leader. He played hard but he wasn't helping off the field.
RE: Both were deemed to be personalities that needed to be gone  
Diver_Down : 12/10/2018 8:06 am : link
In comment 14212362 JonC said:
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hang onto that.


Everyone is keenly aware of Apple's personality and his demonstrated lack of effort. But many are quick to forgive, Snacks vocal opposition to not wanting to be a leader. Not the impression you want to linger in the locker room with the young guys that may look to a veteran as a mentor.
Hard to argue with results  
liteamorn : 12/10/2018 8:11 am : link
We're playing better, MUCH better on both sides of the ball since these moves were made.
RE: Snacks move is an example of getting rid of a guy a year early  
AcidTest : 12/10/2018 8:43 am : link
In comment 14212241 widmerseyebrow said:
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Rather than a year too late. Physics will not be kind to those knees and his actual usage was down this year.

Apple was a no brainer dating back to last years mental meltdown.


Agreed.
Meh  
GoBlue6599 : 12/10/2018 8:48 am : link
I donít like giving up on a top 10 pick after only 2 seasons
RE: I thought this thread was about food.  
Pete in MD : 12/10/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 14212294 Ira said:
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;)

Yeah it's a tough call. Fresh fruit is thought to be "healthy" but also contains a lot of sugar/carbs. Apples also have a good amount of fiber and pectin, which is a natural appetite suppressant.
We still miss Snacks,  
Section331 : 12/10/2018 9:11 am : link
but Apple was addition by subtraction.
RE: I still believe  
bradshaw44 : 12/10/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 14212195 rasbutant said:
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Snack should not have been traded

Glad apple was traded.


Snacks was a player for a win now team. Getting rid of him and freeing cap space and getting a pick were the right move for the future of the team. He was getting old and his salary wasn't worth the results moving forward.
Actually  
Bill2 : 12/10/2018 9:25 am : link
across an NFL season (and this year has been relatively kind to the NYG) depth wins late season games and playoffs that are gained by one game or less.

This team needs depth badly, especially on defense and at LB, DB and OL.

We can use the picks and we can trade up with the picks and we have a new scouting system (one thing we can say about DG is that his first rushed draft using much of the old scouting apparatus was a very good to outstanding and his wire pick ups (granted good position) have contributed.

I don't know the seriousness with which we almost traded Jenkins, but he has played well recently so clearly the value they assigned to him was the right calculation.

One good thing about newly drafted players...the FO and coaches do seem to have turned around the culture very quickly. Best way to keep on that road is to select your own and use FA as sparingly as possible.
Happy to see Prince Amukamara doing well  
Anakim : 12/10/2018 10:11 am : link
He was a genuinely good kid who was injured way too often and didn't seem to fit into the locker room here.

Seems to have found his place in Chicago. Good for him.
RE: I think with Snacks  
regulator : 12/10/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14212365 English Alaister said:
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the benefit more than the 5th rounder is shifting that cap room.

The other issue is he wasn't a leader. He played hard but he wasn't helping off the field.


Exactly. For better or worse, Francesa is still plugged into this team, and he has dropped on several occasions that Snacks was a "locker room lawyer." Not the type of guy we need around what is otherwise a pretty young group of defensive linemen.
RE: Happy to see Prince Amukamara doing well  
ron mexico : 12/10/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14212624 Anakim said:
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He was a genuinely good kid who was injured way too often and didn't seem to fit into the locker room here.

Seems to have found his place in Chicago. Good for him.


Yeah, the Bears all around seem like a likable team. I'll be pulling for them if the Giants get eliminated.

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