I did like Barkley but I would have preferred a huge haul of picks for the Giants to trade down. What were you hoping for at the second pick on draft day? I am very happy the Giants ended up picking Barkley.
How’s Chubb doing? Haven’t watched or heard about him.
I’ll be interested to see how Saquon works out in the long run seeing as we likely need to undergo a QB handoff before we’re competing again. But I am happy to have him in the meantime and I hope he has LdT/Curtis Martn longevity and effectiveness.
the part. Cleveland has a ton of talent on their roster and I think will actually be contenders if they keep it up. I was for a QB myself, Barkley is absolutely a blast to watch though. Amazing talent.
He was an and confirmed to be an elite talent at Rb.
I told my wife on draft day that if we draft Barkley I and ording his jersey day it’s available with his actually number (not the # 1). I keep my word.
And OBJ will tranendously help our new young Qb (when we draft him) in his development. We just need to fix our oline which appears to be under way with Brown, Hernandez and Solder.
How’s Chubb doing? Haven’t watched or heard about him.
Chubb needs just 1.5 sacks over the Broncos’ final four games to tie Von Miller’s team record for sacks by a rookie (11.5). Chubb also could certainly threaten Jevon Kearse’s NFL rookie record of 14.5 sacks.
How’s Chubb doing? Haven’t watched or heard about him.
Chubb needs just 1.5 sacks over the Broncos’ final four games to tie Von Miller’s team record for sacks by a rookie (11.5). Chubb also could certainly threaten Jevon Kearse’s NFL rookie record of 14.5 sacks.
I would say Chubb is doing pretty damn good...
He had 2 sacks yesterday to set the team rookie record with 12. He is having a very nice rookie year.
if they had drafted a QB I would have been okay with it. Having said that, the secret desire of my heart was to get Barkley and I was so ecstatic about getting him. Absolutely thrilled from the moment it was announced.
Lots of people saying now that nobody could have predicted what Barkley would be capable of. That's flat out wrong. Lots of people did, including our scouts and GM. I had visions of him producing like he did against a good WAS defense yesterday back when it was obvious we were going to end up with a top draft pick.
The other day he was asked about hurtling the Bears defender and he said it was the kind of thing he'd done before. That's the point - he wasn't just a good college RB. He was showing on the field the abilities you're seeing now in the pros. Instant stop/start, change of direction, breakaway speed. The one thing he was knocked for was NOT being a N/S runner, but you knew he had the size and body type to do that if he was asked to. Clearly he's shown that now.
He's the goods. I didn't think he would be this good. I personally would not have drafted him. I would have either drafted Darnold, Chubb, or traded it away to rebuild this team. If I remember reading correctly, the Giants brought over only 17 out of the previous years 53 man roster. They needed all the help they can get. With Darnold, let's see what he can do under a new regime because Bowles will not be back. If he turns out to be another Goff under McVay AND the Giants go through QB purgatory, then drafting him was a mistake. But if Sam turns out to be pedestrian, then Barkley was the right pick. Pass rushers are a premium, but can be found in higher volume than QBs.
the Browns could have gotten Barkley at 1 and Baker at 4. I would have been pretty shocked if the Giants would have taken Mayfield, and I think the Jets still would have taken Darnold leaving the Browns with Baker. Granted, Ward has seemed pretty damn good from what I have seen and read. Totally irrelevant now, but I always wondered if they toyed with the idea at all.
hate the pick. If they don't get a new QB soon and make the line respectable, his career is Barry Sanders. NTTAWWT, HOF and all. We will still enjoy it but the league is all about QB play.
Actually everybody seems to be pretty thrilled with their guy. They still love Allen in Buffalo but he's very raw and wildly inaccurate. Great runner though
Based on the quarterback analysis on Sy's website Â
I wanted Mayfield. He had Rosen rated the highest by far, but I wanted an accurate qb with some mobility who wouldn't be so injury prone. And Sy's analysis said Mayfield was much more accurate than everyone but Rosen. When Cleveland took Mayfield I felt as if I had been stabbed in the heart. I'm afraid Barkley, while a great player, will have been run into the ground by the time we are competitive again.
Actually everybody seems to be pretty thrilled with their guy. They still love Allen in Buffalo but he's very raw and wildly inaccurate. Great runner though
Our guy is awesome. Arguably best at his position in his rookie season.
You're still hoping your guy becomes awesome some day. Good luck!
when I watch Allen play, I feel like he spins the injury roulette wheel on almost every run he makes:
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I was all on board the Josh Allen train
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Then about a month before the draft started liking Mayfield more. I still think those two are going to be the standouts from that draft
The way he takes off anytime the pocket breaks down, I seriously wonder if he'll last as a starter for more than a year somewhere without landing on IR or be out for a few games a season.
Actually everybody seems to be pretty thrilled with their guy. They still love Allen in Buffalo but he's very raw and wildly inaccurate. Great runner though
Our guy is awesome. Arguably best at his position in his rookie season.
You're still hoping your guy becomes awesome some day. Good luck!
We used to think the same way with Curtis Martin when he did everything tirelessly
still do. We have waisted a year of Barkley, would rather have wasted a year of Darnold sitting and learning behind Eli. We still have no plan at QB - Eli is not a SB winning QB anymore. Having said that, I'm good with Barkley and hope we can get the QB by 2020. A lot harder to do. So far Darnold has looked better as a rookie than Eli did.
the Browns could have gotten Barkley at 1 and Baker at 4. I would have been pretty shocked if the Giants would have taken Mayfield, and I think the Jets still would have taken Darnold leaving the Browns with Baker. Granted, Ward has seemed pretty damn good from what I have seen and read. Totally irrelevant now, but I always wondered if they toyed with the idea at all.
This is correct. They Jets were never taking Mayfield and neither were the Giants. Thing is though Cleveland couldn't take that chance...that Darnold goes to the Giants and Mayfield to the Jets. They would then be left with Allen or Rosen whom they didn't want.
They had to lock in the QB first and foremost. And found a running back anyway because running backs can always be found
when I watch Allen play, I feel like he spins the injury roulette wheel on almost every run he makes:
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I was all on board the Josh Allen train
montanagiant : 11:49 am : link : reply
Then about a month before the draft started liking Mayfield more. I still think those two are going to be the standouts from that draft
The way he takes off anytime the pocket breaks down, I seriously wonder if he'll last as a starter for more than a year somewhere without landing on IR or be out for a few games a season.
Never want to wish harm on anybody, but the injury coming Allen and Jackson's way just seems to be a matter of time...
1. Saquon Barkley was not taken with the first pick, and the Giants selected him at #2.
or
2. Saquon Barkley was taken with the first pick, and the Giants looked to trade down, trying to keep as high a first-rounder as possible but also adding as many other decently high picks as possible. I don't recall having ever been very specific about the picks, but something that would make it makes sense to trade out of the #2 spot.
Lots of celebration in our living room when we landed Barkley at #2. Nearly as much when we landed Hernandez in the second round. And really liked the way Carter and Hill felt with our two 3rd-round picks.
Now throwing shade on the drafting of Barkley "because running backs can always be found".
I'll give you one thing, you definitely act like a typical Jets fan. I bet you have Ira from Staten Island on speed dial.
It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
Mayfield and Darnold were the only 2 QB's talked about as first rounders that interested me and that was with the caveat that Darnold needed to be given the Eli Manning treatment and start the year on the bench learning behind a veteran. Barkley was there because if you did not factor in position he was, by far, the best player I saw in this draft. Chubb I liked but was starting to cool on for the Giants because (1) he played on a stacked DL and I was worried that some production was due to receiving less opposition than he would face in NFL and (2) I thought he was more of a 4-3 DE and I wondered how he would fit in our scheme. If we had traded back I would have looked at him, Nelson, or Vita Vea.
It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Well they are the best backs, 1st round talents. Though just below them are a mishmash of guys taken in various rounds. Or undrafted.
Interesting the Rams had the great Gurley but were still awful. Just Todd Gurley wasn't moving the needle...they needed a QB.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Well they are the best backs, 1st round talents. Though just below them are a mishmash of guys taken in various rounds. Or undrafted.
Interesting the Rams had the great Gurley but were still awful. Just Todd Gurley wasn't moving the needle...they needed a QB.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
Even with Goff they struggled. It was not until they brought in McVay and revamped the OL that they became what they are today.
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Very true. However, of all of the positions it is QB where the chances you will find a gem later is much less likely. Has it happened? Yes.. but extremely rare.
It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Well they are the best backs, 1st round talents. Though just below them are a mishmash of guys taken in various rounds. Or undrafted.
Interesting the Rams had the great Gurley but were still awful. Just Todd Gurley wasn't moving the needle...they needed a QB.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
Even with Goff they struggled. It was not until they brought in McVay and revamped the OL that they became what they are today.
Goff was a rookie and rookie QB's struggle(and he only started for half the year anyway). Plus Fisher had run his course. But his 2nd year jump was remarkable. McVay couldn't have built this offense around a Blake Bortles or Geno Smith. He needed Goffs talent and potential
It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Well they are the best backs, 1st round talents. Though just below them are a mishmash of guys taken in various rounds. Or undrafted.
Interesting the Rams had the great Gurley but were still awful. Just Todd Gurley wasn't moving the needle...they needed a QB.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
Even with Goff they struggled. It was not until they brought in McVay and revamped the OL that they became what they are today.
Goff was a rookie and rookie QB's struggle(and he only started for half the year anyway). Plus Fisher had run his course. But his 2nd year jump was remarkable. McVay couldn't have built this offense around a Blake Bortles or Geno Smith. He needed Goffs talent and potential
There were veteran QB's in Los Angeles under Fisher as well. McVay also did well in Washington with Kirk Cousins, Jordan Reed, and little else. If you look at David Carr and his brother Derek, both looked good when the OL gave them time. OL really does cover for a lot of weaknesses. The Giants would have been nowhere near as good with Wayne Gallman and ??? at RB and Sam Darnold at QB now or in the future. Dallas looks like it will be playoff bound with Dak Prescott at QB because of their OL and Defense.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
They haven't missed a beat?? While they were blowing out teams with Hunt, they beat the Raiders by a TD and luckily went to OT against the Ravens on a miraculous play by Mahomes.
in something like round 20 and cut his first year. The one that always had me curious was Joe Montana. The 49ers wanted Phil Simms but George Young grabbed him for the Giants. The 49ers had to settle on Montana in round three. I always wonder what would have happened to two great franchises if George Young had liked Montana better.
You disappeared for weeks and now the Jets win one game and here you are to try and convince us that Darnold is a sure thing and has proven as much as Barkley has this year. You will then continue to try to discredit Barkley's performance by saying "so and so was a late round pick or UDFA and he has done well so drafting a RB high is dumb." This can be said about every position but carry on.
just the way it played out.. Barkley ,Hernandez ,Carter. Damn near broke my arm patting myself on the back.
Agree only pick I did not like or understand was Lauletta
There were quite a few O-line picks I would have rather
they had taken . Barkley or bust for me I think the
Browns got it Right with Mayfield . I think Darnold will end
up being a solid pick for the Jets but he never really wowed me nor did the rest of the QB's.
I’ll be interested to see how Saquon works out in the long run seeing as we likely need to undergo a QB handoff before we’re competing again. But I am happy to have him in the meantime and I hope he has LdT/Curtis Martn longevity and effectiveness.
I was Barkley or Mayfield. Got this one right for a change lol
I told my wife on draft day that if we draft Barkley I and ording his jersey day it’s available with his actually number (not the # 1). I keep my word.
Danmn the hysterical teh positional value bbiers were stupid and annoying as hell.
Chubb needs just 1.5 sacks over the Broncos’ final four games to tie Von Miller’s team record for sacks by a rookie (11.5). Chubb also could certainly threaten Jevon Kearse’s NFL rookie record of 14.5 sacks.
I would say Chubb is doing pretty damn good...
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How’s Chubb doing? Haven’t watched or heard about him.
Chubb needs just 1.5 sacks over the Broncos’ final four games to tie Von Miller’s team record for sacks by a rookie (11.5). Chubb also could certainly threaten Jevon Kearse’s NFL rookie record of 14.5 sacks.
I would say Chubb is doing pretty damn good...
He had 2 sacks yesterday to set the team rookie record with 12. He is having a very nice rookie year.
Lots of people saying now that nobody could have predicted what Barkley would be capable of. That's flat out wrong. Lots of people did, including our scouts and GM. I had visions of him producing like he did against a good WAS defense yesterday back when it was obvious we were going to end up with a top draft pick.
The other day he was asked about hurtling the Bears defender and he said it was the kind of thing he'd done before. That's the point - he wasn't just a good college RB. He was showing on the field the abilities you're seeing now in the pros. Instant stop/start, change of direction, breakaway speed. The one thing he was knocked for was NOT being a N/S runner, but you knew he had the size and body type to do that if he was asked to. Clearly he's shown that now.
Actually everybody seems to be pretty thrilled with their guy. They still love Allen in Buffalo but he's very raw and wildly inaccurate. Great runner though
Actually everybody seems to be pretty thrilled with their guy. They still love Allen in Buffalo but he's very raw and wildly inaccurate. Great runner though
Our guy is awesome. Arguably best at his position in his rookie season.
You're still hoping your guy becomes awesome some day. Good luck!
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Then about a month before the draft started liking Mayfield more. I still think those two are going to be the standouts from that draft
The way he takes off anytime the pocket breaks down, I seriously wonder if he'll last as a starter for more than a year somewhere without landing on IR or be out for a few games a season.
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And we're very happy the Giants took Barkley too
Actually everybody seems to be pretty thrilled with their guy. They still love Allen in Buffalo but he's very raw and wildly inaccurate. Great runner though
Our guy is awesome. Arguably best at his position in his rookie season.
You're still hoping your guy becomes awesome some day. Good luck!
We used to think the same way with Curtis Martin when he did everything tirelessly
Why are you here?
We used to think the same way with Curtis Martin when he did everything tirelessly
Except, the Jets didn't draft Martin, so what's your point?
This is correct. They Jets were never taking Mayfield and neither were the Giants. Thing is though Cleveland couldn't take that chance...that Darnold goes to the Giants and Mayfield to the Jets. They would then be left with Allen or Rosen whom they didn't want.
They had to lock in the QB first and foremost. And found a running back anyway because running backs can always be found
I would think in the context of this thread - drafting Martin is crucial to the points attempting to be made.
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montanagiant : 11:49 am : link : reply
Then about a month before the draft started liking Mayfield more. I still think those two are going to be the standouts from that draft
The way he takes off anytime the pocket breaks down, I seriously wonder if he'll last as a starter for more than a year somewhere without landing on IR or be out for a few games a season.
Never want to wish harm on anybody, but the injury coming Allen and Jackson's way just seems to be a matter of time...
I'll give you one thing, you definitely act like a typical Jets fan. I bet you have Ira from Staten Island on speed dial.
1. Saquon Barkley was not taken with the first pick, and the Giants selected him at #2.
or
2. Saquon Barkley was taken with the first pick, and the Giants looked to trade down, trying to keep as high a first-rounder as possible but also adding as many other decently high picks as possible. I don't recall having ever been very specific about the picks, but something that would make it makes sense to trade out of the #2 spot.
Lots of celebration in our living room when we landed Barkley at #2. Nearly as much when we landed Hernandez in the second round. And really liked the way Carter and Hill felt with our two 3rd-round picks.
So far, so good!
I'll give you one thing, you definitely act like a typical Jets fan. I bet you have Ira from Staten Island on speed dial.
It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
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It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Well they are the best backs, 1st round talents. Though just below them are a mishmash of guys taken in various rounds. Or undrafted.
Interesting the Rams had the great Gurley but were still awful. Just Todd Gurley wasn't moving the needle...they needed a QB.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
Tony Romo: undrafted
You can find great QBs late in -- or even after -- the draft!
You can play that game at any position.
Tony Romo: undrafted
You can find great QBs late in -- or even after -- the draft!
You can play that game at any position.
That is incredibly rare.
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It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Well they are the best backs, 1st round talents. Though just below them are a mishmash of guys taken in various rounds. Or undrafted.
Interesting the Rams had the great Gurley but were still awful. Just Todd Gurley wasn't moving the needle...they needed a QB.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
Even with Goff they struggled. It was not until they brought in McVay and revamped the OL that they became what they are today.
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Very true. However, of all of the positions it is QB where the chances you will find a gem later is much less likely. Has it happened? Yes.. but extremely rare.
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say this about a lot of positions though:
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It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Well they are the best backs, 1st round talents. Though just below them are a mishmash of guys taken in various rounds. Or undrafted.
Interesting the Rams had the great Gurley but were still awful. Just Todd Gurley wasn't moving the needle...they needed a QB.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
Even with Goff they struggled. It was not until they brought in McVay and revamped the OL that they became what they are today.
Goff was a rookie and rookie QB's struggle(and he only started for half the year anyway). Plus Fisher had run his course. But his 2nd year jump was remarkable. McVay couldn't have built this offense around a Blake Bortles or Geno Smith. He needed Goffs talent and potential
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say this about a lot of positions though:
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It's true though. Running backs are always found. James Conner comes out of nowhere and is going to hit 1700 total yards this year probably. Philip Lindsay was undrafted and is going for 1200 this year currently averaging 5.8 a carry. That's great great value
And yet - even in a time where RB's just are found any and everywhere, 3 of the top 4 rushing leaders are 1st round picks.
People rarely talk about Edelman being a 7th rounder or Victor Cruz being undrafted as if it is indicative of WR's growing on trees, yet the receiving leaders top 5 this year includes a 5th round pick, and three 2nd round picks.
Well they are the best backs, 1st round talents. Though just below them are a mishmash of guys taken in various rounds. Or undrafted.
Interesting the Rams had the great Gurley but were still awful. Just Todd Gurley wasn't moving the needle...they needed a QB.
The Chiefs found great value with Kareem Hunt, then kicked him to the curb and haven't missed a beat with Spencer Ware yesterday.
Even with Goff they struggled. It was not until they brought in McVay and revamped the OL that they became what they are today.
Goff was a rookie and rookie QB's struggle(and he only started for half the year anyway). Plus Fisher had run his course. But his 2nd year jump was remarkable. McVay couldn't have built this offense around a Blake Bortles or Geno Smith. He needed Goffs talent and potential
There were veteran QB's in Los Angeles under Fisher as well. McVay also did well in Washington with Kirk Cousins, Jordan Reed, and little else. If you look at David Carr and his brother Derek, both looked good when the OL gave them time. OL really does cover for a lot of weaknesses. The Giants would have been nowhere near as good with Wayne Gallman and ??? at RB and Sam Darnold at QB now or in the future. Dallas looks like it will be playoff bound with Dak Prescott at QB because of their OL and Defense.
They haven't missed a beat?? While they were blowing out teams with Hunt, they beat the Raiders by a TD and luckily went to OT against the Ravens on a miraculous play by Mahomes.
Agree only pick I did not like or understand was Lauletta
There were quite a few O-line picks I would have rather
they had taken . Barkley or bust for me I think the
Browns got it Right with Mayfield . I think Darnold will end
up being a solid pick for the Jets but he never really wowed me nor did the rest of the QB's.