Average QBR of 108, 10 TDs, and 2 Ints. I'll take that. Is he perfect? No. But he never was. He'll always make that "WTF throw." But he'll alo make throws like the one to coleman, a check out of plays to put the team in a better position, etc.. With just a mediocre line, Eli can still make plays.
you really need to get some help.....
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that his earnings have overmatched his production....
Oh really? How many teams will sign up for giving a guy 250 million dollars for 15 years if it means a guarantee 2 SB titles.
Ill set the over/under at 31.5 and Ill take the over.
If you can get 2 SB titles AND 26 more regular season wins AND 5 more postseason wins while not leading the NFL in turnovers for the entirety of his career, all for the bargain price of FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS less... yes, Eli's earnings have exceeded his production.
He will finish his career as the highest paid player in NFL history and has never been the best player in the league for any stretch of his career. How anyone can claim that Eli has not been overpaid, relative to his peers, over the balance of his career boggles my mind.
It boggles your mind? When did you start following pro sports? Yesterday?
First overall pick when there was virtually no rookie cap. Super bowl mvp by age 27. Two time super bowl mvp and nyg legend by 30-31. And it boggles your mind? Why? How?
It's a salary cap league. The best teams know how to maximize value in their roster construction. Paying a QB who at best was borderline top 10 in the league more money than any other player has ever earned is a poor value proposition.
Maybe "boggles my mind" was the wrong term, but I figured it was kinder than "disappoints me."
As for how long I've followed pro sports, I'll put my background up against almost anyone here, save for a few obvious exceptions. You're not one of them.
Today's argument is about who the QB is going to be during the transition. Tough it out with a rookie? Will there be a rookie to be had this year? Do you try a retread vet? is it likely any of them will be any better than Eli?
It's all well and good to say get a QB to build around, but what if one isn't available to do so? Who is the QB during the interim until one is available? Eli certainly is in the mix for that discussion.
I think they have to pay him for 2019 and take it from there.
they cut simms in 94 and keeping him around would not have led to a fundamentally different outcome anyway, maybe a better 94 and 95 (they were not getting past the 9ers and Boys of that era) but do they get to a Kerry Collins by 98 if they start the Brown experiment later? Same type of scenarios apply here.
Think long term and they will be well served. And perhaps that is playing him next year and if he surprises people he carries on and there really is a few seasons left. Im open minded enough to that outcome; as unlikely as I see that as being reality; I dont see how a team that is ascending on offense should be held back by a piece that will clearly descend soon (and probably already has) and will have to take time to create a window for the replacement to get up to speed. the giants have to think about maximizing Barkley and Beckham, and their o line is getting better and can continue to; they have a tough order in front of them with Manning in his twilight and getting the right prospect in here and then going through at least a year of growing pains.
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Would translate to 32 TDs and 7 INTs.
I’d say that’s pretty damn good.
I'd say it's a pretty damn small sample size.
1/3 of the season?
Shit you weren’t around blasting people after a game... we’re you?
Today's argument is about who the QB is going to be during the transition. Tough it out with a rookie? Will there be a rookie to be had this year? Do you try a retread vet? is it likely any of them will be any better than Eli?
It's all well and good to say get a QB to build around, but what if one isn't available to do so? Who is the QB during the interim until one is available? Eli certainly is in the mix for that discussion.
I would frame the existing circumstances this way instead - can we win a SB with Eli? A simple, straight-forward question.
If the answer is yes, by yes I would say a 50% or > chance, then the organization should go all in.
If no, which is where I am, you draft a QB, or go with Lauletta, and deal with the growing pains right away. Right into the deep end of the pool. What's the point of another sentimental Eli tour?
i do think they have some fear of moving to a rookie with a peak saquon and odell and will try to ride manning as long as possible. of course what do i really know but it comes across that way.
I was just thinking about this. I personally don't like to include Brady in these because he has a super model wife that makes more than Tom while technically being retired. Still, Brady gives his team a discount and regardless of circumstance, it does help his team. I don't think any other QB is willing to do this though. Just another advantage that the Patriots currently have over other teams.
Roethlisberger, however, signed his latest contract extension about the same time as Eli. Ben's total cap for that extension is $105,795,000 with $54,750,000 guaranteed. Eli's total cap for the same extension at roughly the same time is $103,750,000 with $58,000,000 guaranteed. I think it's far more relevant to look at the latest contract and not the total contract. Eli had about an $11 million to $12 million head start before one of them extended by simply being drafted higher than Ben.
That being the case and looking at their latest extension, Ben's cap is higher but his guarantees are lower. I think your kind of splitting hairs there. It's certainly not significantly less than Eli.
I'm in the camp that it is time to search for a new QB, but we're not desperate. If one falls into our lap, rush to the podium or make a trade to get there. But don't dump Eli just to pick/play a mediocre or worse QB just for the hell of it. You're not getting to a SB that way, either. Be patient. If a good QB isn't attainable this year, work on other parts of the team that we can and go with Eli another year. Rinse and repeat next year or until we get desperate.
that’s not all due to their individual talents, more that pitt is better but ben during this contract has also probably outplayed manning.
of course the Giants did not sign manning to not make playoff appearances but they signed him in 2015 off of four non playoff years. so some of it is self inflicted......and there is no reason for them not to reconsider this next contract season.
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Would translate to 32 TDs and 7 INTs.
I’d say that’s pretty damn good.
I'd say it's a pretty damn small sample size.
1/3 of the season?
Shit you weren’t around blasting people after a game... we’re you?
Yes, 1/3 of a season is a small sample size. I know you loathe statistics in general, but don't be obtuse.
And was I blasting people after one game because of one game? Was that one game consistent with a larger sample size or no? I'm honestly asking because I don't remember doing that, but I could definitely be wrong.