I will reiterate this team hasn't accomplished anything yet, and they are still 3 games to go before the season can really be evaluated.
But....4-5 weeks ago, the NY media was murdering him for the Ogletree trade. Goes to show you that you need to wait for a full season to play out before jumping to conclusions. Gettleman has been silent and waiting in the wings...which I'm sure isn't easy to do. Ogletree clearly needed to get more confortable with Betcher's system and I would expect his play to be very solid and even better next year as he and alot of the guys will be a full year under the new system.
Some other moves appear to be playing out as well. Kareem Martin and Josh Mauro are providing solid depth. Antonio Hamilton is playing well on specials. B.W. Webb was a solid signing and so was Michael Thomas. Even Spencer Pulley has seemed to settle in , although his future is a backup. Russel Shepard has had a nice few weeks also. Guys like Elijah Penny, Tony Lippett, Grant Haley, may prove to be valuable players going forwrad. And most importantly the 2018 draft class appears to be a really good 1st draft class for Gettleman.
This is not to say he hasn't made mistakes, obviously. Omameh was a mistake, but he let him go. Connor Barwin and Jonathan Stewart weren't the right moves in hindsight, but my guess is Gettleman will admit is follies....as no GM has a perfect track record.
Leaping to conclusions works both ways.
I was going back and forth with Sy'56 on Twitter....Ogletree is probably the best LB Giants have had since Antonio Pierce, if you think about it.
Haley might be DG's best find. Looks like he could be a top 3 CB on a good team and he's looked good in run support too.
Corey Coleman's got some speed and made some plays with his opportunity yesterday. Could've had a huge game if that early deep ball didn't go thru his hands (might've been PI on this one anyway). He can certainly stretch a defense.
Penny looks like a great addition too. I'll leave it to the experts (Sy, et al) to grade his blocking, but he has good hands and is a decent runner for a FB. Certainly good enough to make the D pay if they ignore him out of the back field.
He was painlessly cuttable after the season before the restructure, and now he's not.
Based on the past couple weeks so what, he's been playing better, but having flexibility on the cap is a good thing IMO.
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Have never changed my mind. Still young enough to build around
I was going back and forth with Sy'56 on Twitter....Ogletree is probably the best LB Giants have had since Antonio Pierce, if you think about it.
Sy’s opinion?
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Have never changed my mind. Still young enough to build around
I was going back and forth with Sy'56 on Twitter....Ogletree is probably the best LB Giants have had since Antonio Pierce, if you think about it.
That's a pretty low bar...
Leaping to conclusions works both ways.
can't use the injury excuse any more. Prior to these past 2 years, Giants were as banged up as anyone and teams pounded on us for it. We still went up against a top defense yesterday and offense scored 33 point in 3 quarters. Ogletree is had 3 good games in a row. He's a good player. He may have been brutal earlier in year, but my point is, you gotta give him a pass, jumping into a new defensive scheme to lead it.
He was painlessly cuttable after the season before the restructure, and now he's not.
Based on the past couple weeks so what, he's been playing better, but having flexibility on the cap is a good thing IMO.
Eh, the restructure wasn't a big deal since you carry over unused cap space. They created $5.25M in 2018 cap space and if they chose to cut him they'd incur a $5.25M dead cap hit which nets to zero. It'd be problematic if they gave him more (guaranteed) money, but it doesn't look like that's the case (per OTC).
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Have never changed my mind. Still young enough to build around
I was going back and forth with Sy'56 on Twitter....Ogletree is probably the best LB Giants have had since Antonio Pierce, if you think about it.
Sy’s opinion?
he's the one that said it....Ogletree probably best LB since Pierce, in terms of his procutionon that last 4-5 years.
Gay Ramone : 9:42 am : link : reply
Will give credit when he figures a way to orchestrate a deal to correct another mistake made this past offseason ...
Nobody could have predicted the impact Barkley has made on this team, but it’s apparent he has made another player expendable and that player could return multiple players and/or picks ...
What's the motivation to continually and intentionally look like a fucking moron?
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In comment 14212539 Big Blue '56 said:
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Have never changed my mind. Still young enough to build around
I was going back and forth with Sy'56 on Twitter....Ogletree is probably the best LB Giants have had since Antonio Pierce, if you think about it.
Sy’s opinion?
he's the one that said it....Ogletree probably best LB since Pierce, in terms of his procutionon that last 4-5 years.
Ah. Thank you
We had no Odell, No Colins, No Snacks, missing our starting center. Vernon, JackRabbit, Engram have been banged up all year.
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given the Redskins rolled out their 3rd string QB and have something like 20 players out with injuries.
Leaping to conclusions works both ways.
can't use the injury excuse any more. Prior to these past 2 years, Giants were as banged up as anyone and teams pounded on us for it. We still went up against a top defense yesterday and offense scored 33 point in 3 quarters. Ogletree is had 3 good games in a row. He's a good player. He may have been brutal earlier in year, but my point is, you gotta give him a pass, jumping into a new defensive scheme to lead it.
He's a good player, but a poor investment to pay an ILB $10M for what he's provided so far.
Fans are already starting to overrate the Giants based on recent play, and one blowout over a mega banged up fading Redskins team.
There have been countless threads calling Gettleman clueless and even two weeks ago one poster said that Ogletree isn't just bad, but he's one of the worst players in the entire league!! And it was said seriously.
We can debate how well some of DG's signings have been, but they all had an underlying theme - improve those units that have been deficient in recent years, whether it be OL, LB or RB. As well as improve the locker room.
He missed on Omameh and Stewart. Jury is out on Solder (but he's not nearly as poor as people were ripping him for being earlier), and the Ogletree signing is an overpay, but he's clearly contributed some excellent plays, especially in coverage. When DG has seen something not work out, he's cut bait and tried to improve, much to the chagrin of those who think he's old and set in his ways.
You are never as good as you appear at times nor as bad as it appears at times, and fans are continually fooled by this. Continually.
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given the Redskins rolled out their 3rd string QB and have something like 20 players out with injuries.
Leaping to conclusions works both ways.
can't use the injury excuse any more. Prior to these past 2 years, Giants were as banged up as anyone and teams pounded on us for it. We still went up against a top defense yesterday and offense scored 33 point in 3 quarters. Ogletree is had 3 good games in a row. He's a good player. He may have been brutal earlier in year, but my point is, you gotta give him a pass, jumping into a new defensive scheme to lead it.
He's a good player, but a poor investment to pay an ILB $10M for what he's provided so far.
Fans are already starting to overrate the Giants based on recent play, and one blowout over a mega banged up fading Redskins team.
I'm not overblowing it....but he's more productive than any other recent LB we've had. I will take it.
There have been countless threads calling Gettleman clueless and even two weeks ago one poster said that Ogletree isn't just bad, but he's one of the worst players in the entire league!! And it was said seriously.
We can debate how well some of DG's signings have been, but they all had an underlying theme - improve those units that have been deficient in recent years, whether it be OL, LB or RB. As well as improve the locker room.
He missed on Omameh and Stewart. Jury is out on Solder (but he's not nearly as poor as people were ripping him for being earlier), and the Ogletree signing is an overpay, but he's clearly contributed some excellent plays, especially in coverage. When DG has seen something not work out, he's cut bait and tried to improve, much to the chagrin of those who think he's old and set in his ways.
You are never as good as you appear at times nor as bad as it appears at times, and fans are continually fooled by this. Continually.
I do agree that one thing Gettleman has impressed me with is that he is not afraid to say that something has not worked as he had planned and cut bait. Too often, GM's will stick with players because they want to be proven right for signing or drafting someone. It is one of the reasons why GM's who are also the Head Coach rarely work out.
Keeping Rosas despite most of BBI wanting him gone...
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given the Redskins rolled out their 3rd string QB and have something like 20 players out with injuries.
Leaping to conclusions works both ways.
can't use the injury excuse any more. Prior to these past 2 years, Giants were as banged up as anyone and teams pounded on us for it. We still went up against a top defense yesterday and offense scored 33 point in 3 quarters. Ogletree is had 3 good games in a row. He's a good player. He may have been brutal earlier in year, but my point is, you gotta give him a pass, jumping into a new defensive scheme to lead it.
He's a good player, but a poor investment to pay an ILB $10M for what he's provided so far.
Fans are already starting to overrate the Giants based on recent play, and one blowout over a mega banged up fading Redskins team.
I'm not overblowing it....but he's more productive than any other recent LB we've had. I will take it.
Not taking the positives away from anyone as the team improves and shows signs of ascension, but the perspective of what's being seen big picture is important.
It's a work in progress, but he's earned his money and then some in my opinion
Fans are already starting to overrate the Giants based on recent play, and one blowout over a mega banged up fading Redskins team.
Maybe...But I would rather win these games then lose them. We beat the Bears. Yes, it was their backup QB but we won. Last year we could barely beat any team, never mind producing an actual blowout. I think being able to blow out an injured Redskin team is a sign of improvement from last year. I'm happy the team plays hard and shows signs of improvement.
The old guard just picked a guy, plugged him and hoped. When DG saw guys that didn't produce he acted.
He also gets an A+ for his first draft.
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Fans are already starting to overrate the Giants based on recent play, and one blowout over a mega banged up fading Redskins team.
Maybe...But I would rather win these games then lose them. We beat the Bears. Yes, it was their backup QB but we won. Last year we could barely beat any team, never mind producing an actual blowout. I think being able to blow out an injured Redskin team is a sign of improvement from last year. I'm happy the team plays hard and shows signs of improvement.
Definitely signs of improvement everywhere, they're fighting their arses off.
Dumping Flowers and Omameh mid-season are the kind of tough calls the previous regime refused to make.
Also, while none of us really know what the locker room was like, there's been enough chatter to make the assumption trading Apple and Snacks may have been addition by subtraction to team chemistry.
It's fair to give him an incomplete overall, and he should rightly be criticized for signing Omameh in the first place along with a couple other questionable moves, but at least he's got the guts to cut bait on a mistake.
To his credit, he'll admit mistakes and move on quickly. Ironically, it was the waiver wire and the Giants (un)favorable position there that may have been the most important moves of the season. Brown, Pulley, Hamilton and Edwards were all waiver claims and now making contributions.
Agree and THIS is almost as important as making the right selection in the first place. It is like holding onto a stock you bought instead of dumping it and taking just a small or moderate loss.
We can all probably come up with a few names of players who were force fed to us over the years because we had a stubborn front office.
But that doesn't excuse the fact he was dreadful for much of the season. If he can just be a solid run defender and do a better job on tight ends, that is enough for me.
We had no Odell, No Colins, No Snacks, missing our starting center. Vernon, JackRabbit, Engram have been banged up all year.
Andy, this is the healthiest the Giants have been perhaps in over a decade.
He has the 2nd most picks by a LB over the last 3 seasons so clearly he regularly makes plays. More than anything though the guy is an out and out leader which we've lacked for a long time. It just works so much better when your MLB is the emotional and analytical leader of the team.
I think he is someone we can build around. Folks used to complain about Pierce for some of the same things (exploited in coverage, not physical enough at POA etc).
But that doesn't excuse the fact he was dreadful for much of the season. If he can just be a solid run defender and do a better job on tight ends, that is enough for me.
The whole team was dreadful. They've all turned it around since the bye.
A LB is only as good as what's in front of him. Everybody is starting to play better and that's allowing playmakers to make plays.
Ogletree now has the 2nd most INT's by a LB since 2013.
This thread perfectly encapsulates how sports media and fans react now to everything on a game-by-game basis. Smart fans don't judge a team based on the last game or two but the entire picture. Unfortunately, this has been a trend in American sports for years now, and BBI falls victim to it non-stop.
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Gay Ramone : 9:42 am : link : reply
Will give credit when he figures a way to orchestrate a deal to correct another mistake made this past offseason ...
Nobody could have predicted the impact Barkley has made on this team, but it’s apparent he has made another player expendable and that player could return multiple players and/or picks ...
What's the motivation to continually and intentionally look like a fucking moron?
He a dupe of a troll who has had numerous IDs here -- I brought the dupes out in force on my Odell thread
This thread perfectly encapsulates how sports media and fans react now to everything on a game-by-game basis. Smart fans don't judge a team based on the last game or two but the entire picture. Unfortunately, this has been a trend in American sports for years now, and BBI falls victim to it non-stop.
+1.
Similarly, DG's recent trades will allow us to continue the retooling of this team in the offseason. A team like the Pats get tons of comp picks each year, so that they are always churning the bottom of their roster. We haven't typically been in that position. The recent trades are a nice way to start that process.
Shurmur also deserves credit for his cooperation with DG's turning over of the roster and the trading of guys like Snacks and Apple several weeks ago. He demonstrated his readiness to play some kids who might otherwise have gotten far less experience (e.g., Haley) and to give more snaps to our young defensive linemen. That shows his confidence in his relationship with DG (recognizing that DG has his back) and his willingness to invest in the long term success of the team rather than, as was feared at the time, its short term detriment.
This thread perfectly encapsulates how sports media and fans react now to everything on a game-by-game basis. Smart fans don't judge a team based on the last game or two but the entire picture. Unfortunately, this has been a trend in American sports for years now, and BBI falls victim to it non-stop.
Eric - I agree with you....I prefaced my thread with ...we still have 3 games to go to evaluate the entire season, but things have improved that last 4-5 week with Ogeltree no doubt. And I think you'll agree it takes time to adjust to a new system, especially if you're the leader of it, like his is.
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every team is banged up.
We had no Odell, No Colins, No Snacks, missing our starting center. Vernon, JackRabbit, Engram have been banged up all year.
Andy, this is the healthiest the Giants have been perhaps in over a decade.
agreed....but I'm going down the road that we're beating teams because they're banged up. No excuses in this league anymore. We played top defense yesterday and put up 33 on them in 3 quarters.