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Unless it's for a Kris Bryant type, keep SP a strength!!! Also I don't think they should go after Harper or Machado (not that they would anyway) they need a couple of solid bats at third and CF or C and then they should be able to compete for a playoff spot.

Which Catcher not named Realmuto can the Mets conceivably get on their team ?? Do the Metsies actually have budget to sign a FA Catcher ??

Thor should not be dealt at this point.....he may be worth more as a mid-season trade after he proves he's healthy. But the return for Thor must be overwhelming.

Why not just bring him here? Still agree with you that he's a great fit with where we are right now? Can play LF every day. Can play 1st until Alonso is ready if need be. Plenty of options.

If they bring he and Miller in, for example, maybe you can plug in Maldonado behind the plate as a cheaper alternative than Grandal or even Ramos.

In comment 14212629 Named Later said:

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Which Catcher not named Realmuto can the Mets conceivably get on their team ?? Do the Metsies actually have budget to sign a FA Catcher ?? Thor should not be dealt at this point.....he may be worth more as a mid-season trade after he proves he's healthy. But the return for Thor must be overwhelming.

Cervelli and Russell Martin are both blocking other players that their teams like more so might be available. With Arizona trading for Kelly in the Goldschmidt deal they may have someone available in a trade.

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Why not just bring him here? Still agree with you that he's a great fit with where we are right now? Can play LF every day. Can play 1st until Alonso is ready if need be. Plenty of options. If they bring he and Miller in, for example, maybe you can plug in Maldonado behind the plate as a cheaper alternative than Grandal or even Ramos.

I haven't seen much recently but when FA opened the claim was something like "every single team" is in on Marwin Gonzalez... which makes sense because he can play all over the field.. and hit. So most teams can make it work. I like Marwin quite a bit but admittedly less so post-Cano deal because ideally Nimmo isn't an every day CF and with Frazier already "blocking" McNeil it makes it tough. Don't get me wrong I'd love the addition because he's very good. I just see less path to him making sense UNLESS they feel comfortable Nimmo will be better in CF and I have my doubts. I'd still take Nimmo in CF vs. playing Lagares every day.

In comment 14212634 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 14212629 Named Later said: Quote: Which Catcher not named Realmuto can the Mets conceivably get on their team ?? Do the Metsies actually have budget to sign a FA Catcher ?? Thor should not be dealt at this point.....he may be worth more as a mid-season trade after he proves he's healthy. But the return for Thor must be overwhelming. Cervelli and Russell Martin are both blocking other players that their teams like more so might be available. With Arizona trading for Kelly in the Goldschmidt deal they may have someone available in a trade.

Arizona's catchers are awful. If the Mets have Avila or JRM as their starting catcher Brodie failed the off-season.

I thought it was BVW say it's unlikely Thor would be traded.

I got the sense that Thor is available in the same way that Kris Bryant is available.

In comment 14212627 gmenatlarge said:

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Unless it's for a Kris Bryant type, keep SP a strength!!! Also I don't think they should go after Harper or Machado (not that they would anyway) they need a couple of solid bats at third and CF or C and then they should be able to compete for a playoff spot.

Why would you not want Harper or Machado?

I don't get it... for me, it's Harper/Machado or bust...

I'm annoyed with all the "BVW is aggressive" and "Mets are going for it!" talk...

Sign one of them, never let those signings preclude you from doing anything else. It's how the Yankees and Red Sox operate.

Time to play with the big boys.

In comment 14212641 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14212633 Chris684 said: Quote: Why not just bring him here? Still agree with you that he's a great fit with where we are right now? Can play LF every day. Can play 1st until Alonso is ready if need be. Plenty of options. If they bring he and Miller in, for example, maybe you can plug in Maldonado behind the plate as a cheaper alternative than Grandal or even Ramos. I haven't seen much recently but when FA opened the claim was something like "every single team" is in on Marwin Gonzalez... which makes sense because he can play all over the field.. and hit. So most teams can make it work. I like Marwin quite a bit but admittedly less so post-Cano deal because ideally Nimmo isn't an every day CF and with Frazier already "blocking" McNeil it makes it tough. Don't get me wrong I'd love the addition because he's very good. I just see less path to him making sense UNLESS they feel comfortable Nimmo will be better in CF and I have my doubts. I'd still take Nimmo in CF vs. playing Lagares every day.

Agreed, also frazier shouldn't be "blocking" anyone especially McNeil who showed he can hit, basically a backup at this point.

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I thought it was BVW say it's unlikely Thor would be traded. I got the sense that Thor is available in the same way that Kris Bryant is available.

Just quoting Buster Olney but he said "he's available" and they need MLB talent to move him. That doesn't go against the price being large but it sounds like he's more available than he really should be vs. "come blow us away with absurdity". The Marlins seem to be doing that with Realmuto.

sure sounds like the starting 3b. They are talking up McNeil's versatility. That's Metsspeak for "he won't start until a starter is hurt or sucks". Would love to be proven wrong.

term Arizona does have 2 nice young catchers but Arizona isn't moving Kelly and Varsho is rough behind the dish right now. I'd love to find some sleeper C but it's rough. I'd probably look into Tom Murphy on the cheap.

would piss me off.

�They�re like that girl from high school. Nerdy. Awkward looking. You bump into her ten years later and don�t recognize her, she�s smoking hot now.� Yeah, I�d say Brodie has changed the culture and quick!!!!! Night and day difference, the impression of the Mets already

catcher, bullpen and center field. If the budget is tight, I'd rather upgrade just two of those positions than trade one of our good young players.

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In comment 14212627 gmenatlarge said: Quote: Unless it's for a Kris Bryant type, keep SP a strength!!! Also I don't think they should go after Harper or Machado (not that they would anyway) they need a couple of solid bats at third and CF or C and then they should be able to compete for a playoff spot. Why would you not want Harper or Machado? I don't get it... for me, it's Harper/Machado or bust... I'm annoyed with all the "BVW is aggressive" and "Mets are going for it!" talk... Sign one of them, never let those signings preclude you from doing anything else. It's how the Yankees and Red Sox operate. Time to play with the big boys.

how about no...

I have to imagine the price would be really, really silly for an unproven RP so I'm curious to see if Texas really moves Leclerc. Supposedly "everyone" has checked in. You wanna find the next Diaz.. this is the kind of guy you look for.

I'd still be calling Baltimore about Givens. They are horrendous what does a soon to be 29 year old RP do for them?

Jace Fry, but I can't see Chicago moving him. Wouldn't be awful team to call regarding Dom but I doubt they flip Fry for Dom straight.

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I have to imagine the price would be really, really silly for an unproven RP so I'm curious to see if Texas really moves Leclerc. Supposedly "everyone" has checked in. You wanna find the next Diaz.. this is the kind of guy you look for. I'd still be calling Baltimore about Givens. They are horrendous what does a soon to be 29 year old RP do for them? Jace Fry, but I can't see Chicago moving him. Wouldn't be awful team to call regarding Dom but I doubt they flip Fry for Dom straight.

How about Amir Garrett from Cincy?, thought he progressed well once moved to the bullpen last year.

be interested in Garrett. Guy I love (and isn't available) is Tanner Scott. I think he's a future MLB elite closer.

Hamilton a Royal

In comment 14212742 Rory said:

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In comment 14212654 moze1021 said: Quote: In comment 14212627 gmenatlarge said: Quote: Unless it's for a Kris Bryant type, keep SP a strength!!! Also I don't think they should go after Harper or Machado (not that they would anyway) they need a couple of solid bats at third and CF or C and then they should be able to compete for a playoff spot. Why would you not want Harper or Machado? I don't get it... for me, it's Harper/Machado or bust... I'm annoyed with all the "BVW is aggressive" and "Mets are going for it!" talk... Sign one of them, never let those signings preclude you from doing anything else. It's how the Yankees and Red Sox operate. Time to play with the big boys. how about no...

Care to explain why??

100% be in on either or both Machado and Harper.

But we all know they won't, in fact I read they already said they're out on Machado for some reason (probably an excuse not to spend the $$)

The Mets seem to make everything complicated.

Why can't they sign a center fielder (Pollack or Hamilton) two free agent relief pitchers and a FA catcher.

The catcher does not have to be a great hitter in this offense. He needs to be defense first.

We do not need a closer but two setup men.

And a good defensive right handed center fielder.

There are enough FA players out there that the Mets can complete their roster without trading key components.

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Hamilton a Royal

Were terms released?

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The Mets seem to make everything complicated. Why can't they sign a center fielder (Pollack or Hamilton) two free agent relief pitchers and a FA catcher. The catcher does not have to be a great hitter in this offense. He needs to be defense first. We do not need a closer but two setup men. And a good defensive right handed center fielder. There are enough FA players out there that the Mets can complete their roster without trading key components.

Hamilton is about to sign with KC but no Hamilton AND a poor offensive catcher would give the Mets a really poor offensive team. 2 zeros before you even get to the ?? in Alonso and Rosario? The ?? how good Nimmo is or isn't. Potentially an awful offensive team if you do that.

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In comment 14212778 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Hamilton a Royal Were terms released?

No. Per Bowden pending physical

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100% be in on either or both Machado and Harper. But we all know they won't, in fact I read they already said they're out on Machado for some reason (probably an excuse not to spend the $$)

Exactly..


1) They should be in on them, I don't expect them to be, I don't accept it, I therefore will not be happy with whatever they do this offseason unless they win the WS.

2) Don't understand how anyone would not want the Mets to be in on Harper or Machado, unless they were worried that it would preclude the Mets from making other moves in the future

was on board with giving Hamilton a look (I'd like to look into Broxton). But Billy Hamilton 69 wRC+. That would be good for THE WORST offensive player in baseball in 2018. You can't run him out there and a bad offensive catcher and expect to win many games. Brodie said he wants to limit the "if's" this would be the epitome.

the dodgers would be asking for in a Puig trade?

Proposed Nimmo and Matz for Kluber.

Everyone is in a rush to unload Nimmo.

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the dodgers would be asking for in a Puig trade?

Tough call. He only has 1 year left but he IS the kind of guy that likely puts up a big year in a walk year. The Mets apparently have spoken to the Dodgers about him. I wonder if they think he can handle CF? My concern is Mickey doesn't seem ideal for handling personalities like this.

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Proposed Nimmo and Matz for Kluber. Everyone is in a rush to unload Nimmo.

Love Kluber but no thanks. Gimenez and Matz? I'd have to do it.

Sherman is right

LAS VEGAS � Executives who have spoken to the Mets about Noah Syndergaard echo what Brodie Van Wagenen provided last week: It is going to take an extraordinary return to obtain the righty, with the current sense that it is highly unlikely.

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sure sounds like the starting 3b. They are talking up McNeil's versatility. That's Metsspeak for "he won't start until a starter is hurt or sucks". Would love to be proven wrong.

Honestly, does this surprise anyone at all? Mets are allergic to making logical, sound decisions.

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KC, Billy Hamilton have agreed on base pay and are finalizing deal with performance bonuses. Expected to be close to 5M total. Royals need speed in center.

that references the talking heads !
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would not have hated that, but I'm guessing Hamilton was specifically looking to go somewhere he's guaranteed 500 abs to try to have a big year and get paid next year.

like Britton isn't going to happen for the Mets.

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In comment 14212805 feelflows said: Quote: Proposed Nimmo and Matz for Kluber. Everyone is in a rush to unload Nimmo. Love Kluber but no thanks. Gimenez and Matz? I'd have to do it.

I see this ... and it baffles me.

Kid is great for the club. Not a bad ballplayer either. Terrific in the clubhouse, fan magnet, just goes about it the right way, and we want him gone? This is NYC we're talking about. Keep him in the spotlight. Might just help win som,e baseball games? And dare I say, he may get better?

then sign Mccutchen for RF for a couple years.

Not sure if I'd hit Mcneil or Rosario leadoff, but a 2-3-4 of Conforto / Mccutchen / Cano would be real solid. Plus obviously adding Kluber is huge.

Still need to find a CF + C in that arrangement, but rotation would be 100% best in baseball without downgrading the lineup all that much. Though it also adds 25m or so to the budget.

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that references the talking heads ! Link - ( New Window )

That's 100% on target. Really good analysis.

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that references the talking heads ! Link - ( New Window )

So.. first he quotes "Once in a Lifetime".. is he suggesting "same as it ever was"?

Nice "Burning Down The House" reference.

In comment 14212780 moze1021 said:

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In comment 14212742 Rory said: Quote: In comment 14212654 moze1021 said: Quote: In comment 14212627 gmenatlarge said: Quote: Unless it's for a Kris Bryant type, keep SP a strength!!! Also I don't think they should go after Harper or Machado (not that they would anyway) they need a couple of solid bats at third and CF or C and then they should be able to compete for a playoff spot. Why would you not want Harper or Machado? I don't get it... for me, it's Harper/Machado or bust... I'm annoyed with all the "BVW is aggressive" and "Mets are going for it!" talk... Sign one of them, never let those signings preclude you from doing anything else. It's how the Yankees and Red Sox operate. Time to play with the big boys. how about no... Care to explain why??

I can give you 350 million reasons, but honestly its just plain old common sense not to spend 50% of your payroll on 1 player.

even if Harper or Machado had a contract where they made $35M in one season, do you really think the Mets will have a $70M payroll?

This isn't 1998.

Mets should have a $160 - $170M payroll.

and I will no longer be a Mets fan

Most fans in baseball laugh at the Mets for taking on Cano's contract. Who is going to be stupid enough to take on a 36 year old with five years left on a mega contract? Oh, yeah, the Mets

Trading an Ace is about the dumbest thing you can do unless he is old and won't be part of the rebuild. None of this applies to Thor.

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then sign Mccutchen for RF for a couple years. Not sure if I'd hit Mcneil or Rosario leadoff, but a 2-3-4 of Conforto / Mccutchen / Cano would be real solid. Plus obviously adding Kluber is huge. Still need to find a CF + C in that arrangement, but rotation would be 100% best in baseball without downgrading the lineup all that much. Though it also adds 25m or so to the budget.

McCuthen is done. But otherwise I agree.

Sell high on Nimmo. His numbers last year were way better than his career average in the minors. Could he have turned the corner? Sure. But no deal is without risk and it is much more likely he will regress

If Matz ever puts it all together, he could be an Ace. But he won't be an Ace unless his elbow gets better and allows him to throw the slider. He needs the slider. So, again, it would be selling high.

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even if Harper or Machado had a contract where they made $35M in one season, do you really think the Mets will have a $70M payroll? This isn't 1998. Mets should have a $160 - $170M payroll.

Also ignores the concept of backloading. You give Harper or Machado 25 million for 29, after the year Frazier, Vargas Lagares are FA. That's 25 million right there. That doesn't include a Wright settlement either. Following 2020 Cespedes 29.5 and Wright (if no settlement) come off as well.

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In comment 14213045 Eric on Li said: Quote: then sign Mccutchen for RF for a couple years. Not sure if I'd hit Mcneil or Rosario leadoff, but a 2-3-4 of Conforto / Mccutchen / Cano would be real solid. Plus obviously adding Kluber is huge. Still need to find a CF + C in that arrangement, but rotation would be 100% best in baseball without downgrading the lineup all that much. Though it also adds 25m or so to the budget. McCuthen is done. But otherwise I agree. Sell high on Nimmo. His numbers last year were way better than his career average in the minors. Could he have turned the corner? Sure. But no deal is without risk and it is much more likely he will regress If Matz ever puts it all together, he could be an Ace. But he won't be an Ace unless his elbow gets better and allows him to throw the slider. He needs the slider. So, again, it would be selling high.

He's not done at all. 2.6 fWAR in 2018, 3.7 in 2017, Steamer projects him again to be an above average regular (2.6).

120 wRC+ was exactly what Conforto posted in 2018 and 2.6 fWAR would have placed him 4th in returning Mets (Nimmo, McNeil Conforto,then McCutch)If you don't like steamer, BR projects a .773 OPS, 20 homers, 9 steals, 26 doubles 2 triples.

I would love for the Mets to sign these guys. In a sport without a salary cap, I have no idea why fans care so much about what the owner is paying their players. But the Mets won't even be meeting with this guys let alone signing them. Sad but very true.

In comment 14213121 pjcas18 said:

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even if Harper or Machado had a contract where they made $35M in one season, do you really think the Mets will have a $70M payroll? This isn't 1998. Mets should have a $160 - $170M payroll.

Mets should have a $205.9999M payroll in 2019 if they feel there are players available who can make them better... and I'm being nice here, a NY market team should probably be able to afford to pay a little luxury tax every now and then in an effort to bring home a title