Reid has built an incredibly deadly offense there. Still can't trust him in the playoffs but the progress Mahomes has made since his final year in college to today has been unreal.
This is the guy who Josh Allen needs...someone like Andy Reid. Good luck
That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before
True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before
True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting
Agreed. He’s been outstanding (TC’s voice is resonating now) to date
That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before
True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting
What's more impressive, is that he is essentially doing it without a tier 1 RB now.
Reid has built an incredibly deadly offense there. Still can't trust him in the playoffs but the progress Mahomes has made since his final year in college to today has been unreal.
This is the guy who Josh Allen needs...someone like Andy Reid. Good luck
Josh Allen's issues are far different than Mahomes' coming out of college. Mahomes was a 66% passer his final collegiate season (64% for his college career), whereas Allen has never broken 60% even going back to middle school. The odds of Allen becoming a successful NFL QB are pretty slim when you look at the history of inaccurate college QBs stepping up in class to enter the NFL.
Still trying to figure out why you keep coming back to this board though. Isn't there a Jets board where you can take your outdated views and backwards opinions about things that you think are "disgusting"?
was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
27th, not 17th
No. 10: Buffalo → Kansas City (D). Buffalo traded their first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as their first-round selection in 2018.[source 1]
That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before
There's lot of one year "wonders" at any position in any sport, but it's rare a player has an MVP-worthy season and then flops (injuries aside). This isn't Nick Foles here.
I bet they are kicking themselves in the ass for not taking him at 10.
By the way, Reid has tailored the offense to Mahomes and is running basically the NFL version of the spread. Mahomes couldn't have landed in any better spot.
He's been the best player in the league by a bit Â
He's going to end up with numbers this year (50 TDs/5000 yards) that have only been touched by Brady and Peyton Manning. More importantly, his team is going to be the #1 seed in the AFC.
The game is changing, and this is the type of quarterback that is going to dominate going forward. If you're keeping your fingers crossed for the next Brees or Brady I think you're going to be waiting a long time.
was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
At this point I'd trade our entire roster for Mahomes.
was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
At this point I'd trade our entire roster for Mahomes.
It's going to be hard for him to play 1 vs. 11 every down. Maybe he can pass the ball to himself.
Mahomes has been a treat to watch, but I imagine this will be the best season he has in his career. Obviously he will get better with development and experience, but he's also in a fantastic situation. He has a very good offensive line, a speed freak dynamic weapon in Tyreek Hill that is perfect for a Mahomes type of QB and stretches the field, the best TE in football currently (given Gronk's health), and a head coach who is a fantastic offensive schemer. He's certainly making the most of the situation he is in, but I'm curious to see how he does throughout his career as his situation gets a little more flawed.
was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
27th, not 17th
No. 10: Buffalo → Kansas City (D). Buffalo traded their first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as their first-round selection in 2018.[source 1]
You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before
No we haven't. The last time a rookie was this good, his name was RGIII and Andrew Luck (the former got injured, but had he stayed healthy, would have been a nightmare). Before that? Dan Marino.
For that guy, pretty bad move on whomever vetoed him.
Nobody fucking vetoed him dude. Or at least you dont know that they did. The Chiefs gave up a 1 for a QB that was viewed as a VERY risky prospect. What if we gave up that first and wound up with Losman?
You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?
On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.
I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...
You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?
On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.
I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...
Go Saquon! Go!
Bla bla bla that’s a great take. Yes, giants fans don’t want a great qb. The fuck are you talking about.
when you constantly shit all over everything giants related, your posts tend to lose their impact after a while. My god you even manage to criticize the notion that picking Barkley was the right move.
Chiefs get one fucking move at qb right for the first time since len fucking Dawson and we’re supposed to kiss the ring now. Gimme a break.
This is a great topic. How can you not be intrigued by the fact there were people at Jints Central who wanted to make a trade to get Mahomes? But they were overruled by the risk-averse “Giants Way” clan who pushed for a TE instead.
And now the Chiefs have that QB who is on the verge of being the MVP wth playmaking skills that combine the best of many of the great QBs we’ve seen.
Do you honestly think there aren’t people here who would rather have Barkley than Mahomes?
IMHO the only thing that stops Mahomes from continued greatness is serious injury. He has taken some serious hits to date and has responded remarkably well. The combination of his electric athleticism, his piss-missile of an arm and his toughness suggest that he will continue to be one of the three or four biggest difference makers in the league for some time -- barring injury.
Help both Mahomes and Curry a great deal.
The contact, power game, physicality are being replaced with finesse and high scoring. I think they are both great but wouldnt be that great with out the rule changes.
For that guy, pretty bad move on whomever vetoed him.
It's been reported multiple times that the Giants tried to trade up to draft him. So not only was McAdoo not vetoed, Reese apparently agreed and tried to swing a deal. They obviously didnt offer enough or KC completed it before the Giants could.
You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?
On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.
I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...
Go Saquon! Go!
What in the holy hell are u talking about. Talk about a huge stretch. My god some of BBI stinks to high heaven.
You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?
On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.
I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...
Go Saquon! Go!
What in the holy hell are u talking about. Talk about a huge stretch. My god some of BBI stinks to high heaven.
I think it's pretty clear what I'm saying - some Giants fans are so enamored with Barkley, and he is a talent, that they would rather keep Barkley than go back in time and trade for Mahomes.
This is a great topic. How can you not be intrigued by the fact there were people at Jints Central who wanted to make a trade to get Mahomes? But they were overruled by the risk-averse “Giants Way” clan who pushed for a TE instead.
And now the Chiefs have that QB who is on the verge of being the MVP wth playmaking skills that combine the best of many of the great QBs we’ve seen.
Do you honestly think there aren’t people here who would rather have Barkley than Mahomes?
Who said THAT topic wasn’t intriguing? I was picking apart your insinuation or assertion that giants fans would rather lose with Barkley than win with mahomes. That’s horse shit and even childish to entertain.
I love mahomes, what’s not to love? But can we put to rest this myth that mahomes is michael Jordan on turf if he’s playing for the giants right now? Sorry, I ain’t buying that for a second and anyone who does is living in an alternate reality. Mahomes is a terrific talent but he’s playing in the most qb friendly system going, with as deep a supporting cast going and the NFL has not adjusted to his style yet. Maybe the nfl never does adjust, or maybe he goes one n done and never comes close to this techmo bowl level of play we are seeing. Who knows, what I do know is mahomes isn’t an mvp candidate if he’s playing for nyg right now. And you know it too.
Can we just be fucking happy with Barkley and move on? It was a great pick.
As if there is anything wrong with that...lol friggin wack job.
Barkley is perfect. Try and enjoy it for a minute or two. That’s what sports are supposed to be— enjoyable. Or you can talk about player salary and direct whether a two time super bowl mvp earned x amount of money that he shouldn’t have earned. Who even thinks that way...fans with too much time on their hands.
Who knows, what I do know is mahomes isn’t an mvp candidate if he’s playing for nyg right now. And you know it too.
I don't know how that's supposed to make anyone feel better. He wouldn't be an MVP candidate here because the Giants as a franchise and from a coaching perspective are vastly inferior to his current team.
I love mahomes, what’s not to love? But can we put to rest this myth that mahomes is michael Jordan on turf if he’s playing for the giants right now? Sorry, I ain’t buying that for a second and anyone who does is living in an alternate reality. Mahomes is a terrific talent but he’s playing in the most qb friendly system going, with as deep a supporting cast going and the NFL has not adjusted to his style yet. Maybe the nfl never does adjust, or maybe he goes one n done and never comes close to this techmo bowl level of play we are seeing. Who knows, what I do know is mahomes isn’t an mvp candidate if he’s playing for nyg right now. And you know it too.
Can we just be fucking happy with Barkley and move on? It was a great pick.
I don't know if Mahomes would be an MVP candidate if he was here. But I do think we'd have more wins and be right in the thick of the NFCE. And that conclusion is based on his exceptional mobility and improvisation skills. Eli isn't built to extend plays and doesn't have the arm to make consistently reliable deep throws anymore. Don't you think OBJ, SS, and EE would be salivating playing with this guy?
But that's not the real point. The real point is we'd be set for the future.
Furthermore, there would be NO questions about the most important position to solve for...We'd be handing the reins over to a QB whose skills perfectly mesh with today's NFL. And we were in the mix to draft him.
I guess you caught the Bleacher Report article.
This is the guy who Josh Allen needs...someone like Andy Reid. Good luck
He probably also thinks setting up multiple laterals is unlikely to work for Miami on a regular basis - ( New Window )
True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before
True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting
Agreed. He’s been outstanding (TC’s voice is resonating now) to date
You rang?
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before
True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting
What's more impressive, is that he is essentially doing it without a tier 1 RB now.
This is the guy who Josh Allen needs...someone like Andy Reid. Good luck
Josh Allen's issues are far different than Mahomes' coming out of college. Mahomes was a 66% passer his final collegiate season (64% for his college career), whereas Allen has never broken 60% even going back to middle school. The odds of Allen becoming a successful NFL QB are pretty slim when you look at the history of inaccurate college QBs stepping up in class to enter the NFL.
Still trying to figure out why you keep coming back to this board though. Isn't there a Jets board where you can take your outdated views and backwards opinions about things that you think are "disgusting"?
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
27th, not 17th
No. 10: Buffalo → Kansas City (D). Buffalo traded their first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as their first-round selection in 2018.[source 1]
Doubtful.
There's lot of one year "wonders" at any position in any sport, but it's rare a player has an MVP-worthy season and then flops (injuries aside). This isn't Nick Foles here.
By the way, Reid has tailored the offense to Mahomes and is running basically the NFL version of the spread. Mahomes couldn't have landed in any better spot.
The game is changing, and this is the type of quarterback that is going to dominate going forward. If you're keeping your fingers crossed for the next Brees or Brady I think you're going to be waiting a long time.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
At this point I'd trade our entire roster for Mahomes.
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was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
At this point I'd trade our entire roster for Mahomes.
It's going to be hard for him to play 1 vs. 11 every down. Maybe he can pass the ball to himself.
This is not the first time he has done this. Check it out below.
No Look Pass at Texas Tech - ( New Window )
We have? Who?
The guy is a freak.
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was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.
We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
27th, not 17th
No. 10: Buffalo → Kansas City (D). Buffalo traded their first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as their first-round selection in 2018.[source 1]
You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
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there would be less Mahomes type players and more Eli type QBs.
Doubtful.
I'm now convinced Eli has killed your dog. Only explanation.
No we haven't. The last time a rookie was this good, his name was RGIII and Andrew Luck (the former got injured, but had he stayed healthy, would have been a nightmare). Before that? Dan Marino.
It's pretty damn good company.
Nobody fucking vetoed him dude. Or at least you dont know that they did. The Chiefs gave up a 1 for a QB that was viewed as a VERY risky prospect. What if we gave up that first and wound up with Losman?
You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?
On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.
I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...
Go Saquon! Go!
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You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?
On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.
I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...
Go Saquon! Go!
Bla bla bla that’s a great take. Yes, giants fans don’t want a great qb. The fuck are you talking about.
when you constantly shit all over everything giants related, your posts tend to lose their impact after a while. My god you even manage to criticize the notion that picking Barkley was the right move.
Chiefs get one fucking move at qb right for the first time since len fucking Dawson and we’re supposed to kiss the ring now. Gimme a break.
And now the Chiefs have that QB who is on the verge of being the MVP wth playmaking skills that combine the best of many of the great QBs we’ve seen.
Do you honestly think there aren’t people here who would rather have Barkley than Mahomes?
Not referring to you djm. I think you know who I am referring too.
Oh we have?
The contact, power game, physicality are being replaced with finesse and high scoring. I think they are both great but wouldnt be that great with out the rule changes.
It's been reported multiple times that the Giants tried to trade up to draft him. So not only was McAdoo not vetoed, Reese apparently agreed and tried to swing a deal. They obviously didnt offer enough or KC completed it before the Giants could.
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You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?
On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.
I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...
Go Saquon! Go!
What in the holy hell are u talking about. Talk about a huge stretch. My god some of BBI stinks to high heaven.
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You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?
On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.
I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...
Go Saquon! Go!
What in the holy hell are u talking about. Talk about a huge stretch. My god some of BBI stinks to high heaven.
I think it's pretty clear what I'm saying - some Giants fans are so enamored with Barkley, and he is a talent, that they would rather keep Barkley than go back in time and trade for Mahomes.
And now the Chiefs have that QB who is on the verge of being the MVP wth playmaking skills that combine the best of many of the great QBs we’ve seen.
Do you honestly think there aren’t people here who would rather have Barkley than Mahomes?
Who said THAT topic wasn’t intriguing? I was picking apart your insinuation or assertion that giants fans would rather lose with Barkley than win with mahomes. That’s horse shit and even childish to entertain.
Can we just be fucking happy with Barkley and move on? It was a great pick.
Barkley is perfect. Try and enjoy it for a minute or two. That’s what sports are supposed to be— enjoyable. Or you can talk about player salary and direct whether a two time super bowl mvp earned x amount of money that he shouldn’t have earned. Who even thinks that way...fans with too much time on their hands.
I don't know how that's supposed to make anyone feel better. He wouldn't be an MVP candidate here because the Giants as a franchise and from a coaching perspective are vastly inferior to his current team.
Can we just be fucking happy with Barkley and move on? It was a great pick.
I don't know if Mahomes would be an MVP candidate if he was here. But I do think we'd have more wins and be right in the thick of the NFCE. And that conclusion is based on his exceptional mobility and improvisation skills. Eli isn't built to extend plays and doesn't have the arm to make consistently reliable deep throws anymore. Don't you think OBJ, SS, and EE would be salivating playing with this guy?
But that's not the real point. The real point is we'd be set for the future.
Furthermore, there would be NO questions about the most important position to solve for...We'd be handing the reins over to a QB whose skills perfectly mesh with today's NFL. And we were in the mix to draft him.