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Mahomes No Look Pass

BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/10/2018 1:16 pm


He is incredible
No Look Pass in Slow Mo - ( New Window )
And that fourth down pass  
jeff57 : 12/10/2018 1:21 pm : link
He completed to Hill to keep the game alive was pretty amazing.
If it s true MacAdoo wanted to trade up  
joeinpa : 12/10/2018 1:25 pm : link
For that guy, pretty bad move on whomever vetoed him.
I saw the replay over a dozen times yesterday  
nyjuggernaut2 : 12/10/2018 1:25 pm : link
and still can't believe it. He is revolutionizing the sport the way Steph Curry has done with basketball.
RE: I saw the replay over a dozen times yesterday  
Danny Kanell : 12/10/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14213098 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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and still can't believe it. He is revolutionizing the sport the way Steph Curry has done with basketball.


I guess you caught the Bleacher Report article.
KC  
fanofthejets : 12/10/2018 1:31 pm : link
Reid has built an incredibly deadly offense there. Still can't trust him in the playoffs but the progress Mahomes has made since his final year in college to today has been unreal.

This is the guy who Josh Allen needs...someone like Andy Reid. Good luck
I don't know man,  
Mad Mike : 12/10/2018 1:35 pm : link
Pete Prisco has concerns.

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I love Patrick Mahomes and his game. But throwing no-look passes will not pay off in the long run despite all the drooling over it by the media

He probably also thinks setting up multiple laterals is unlikely to work for Miami on a regular basis - ( New Window )
He may or may not be the next all-everything or even HOF QB.  
Big Blue '56 : 12/10/2018 1:46 pm : link
That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before
RE: He may or may not be the next all-everything or even HOF QB.  
fanofthejets : 12/10/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14213140 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before


True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting
RE: RE: He may or may not be the next all-everything or even HOF QB.  
Big Blue '56 : 12/10/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14213144 fanofthejets said:
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In comment 14213140 Big Blue '56 said:


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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before



True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting


Agreed. He’s been outstanding (TC’s voice is resonating now) to date
RE: If it s true MacAdoo wanted to trade up  
jeff57 : 12/10/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14213097 joeinpa said:
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For that guy, pretty bad move on whomever vetoed him.


You rang?


RE: RE: He may or may not be the next all-everything or even HOF QB.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/10/2018 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14213144 fanofthejets said:
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before



True. There are plenty of 1 year wonder or short term success (2-3 year) QB's in the league. But the season this kid is having is otherworldly. He may have some struggles down the line as the league adjusts to him a bit, but I see him lasting


What's more impressive, is that he is essentially doing it without a tier 1 RB now.
RE: KC  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/10/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14213110 fanofthejets said:
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Reid has built an incredibly deadly offense there. Still can't trust him in the playoffs but the progress Mahomes has made since his final year in college to today has been unreal.

This is the guy who Josh Allen needs...someone like Andy Reid. Good luck

Josh Allen's issues are far different than Mahomes' coming out of college. Mahomes was a 66% passer his final collegiate season (64% for his college career), whereas Allen has never broken 60% even going back to middle school. The odds of Allen becoming a successful NFL QB are pretty slim when you look at the history of inaccurate college QBs stepping up in class to enter the NFL.

Still trying to figure out why you keep coming back to this board though. Isn't there a Jets board where you can take your outdated views and backwards opinions about things that you think are "disgusting"?
Mahomes isn't going to fizzle  
AJ23 : 12/10/2018 2:33 pm : link
If you have watched him more than once, you realize that his skills don't come around very often and there will be no "figuring him out" a la RGIII.
I  
AcidTest : 12/10/2018 2:37 pm : link
was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.

We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.
RE: I  
ron mexico : 12/10/2018 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14213240 AcidTest said:
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was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.

We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.


27th, not 17th

No. 10: Buffalo → Kansas City (D). Buffalo traded their first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as their first-round selection in 2018.[source 1]
This season  
mrvax : 12/10/2018 2:40 pm : link
he's been the Barkley of QBs.
If you were allowed to actually hit QBs these days  
SHO'NUFF : 12/10/2018 3:16 pm : link
there would be less Mahomes type players and more Eli type QBs.
RE: If you were allowed to actually hit QBs these days  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/10/2018 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14213327 SHO'NUFF said:
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there would be less Mahomes type players and more Eli type QBs.


Doubtful.
RE: He may or may not be the next all-everything or even HOF QB.  
giants#1 : 12/10/2018 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14213140 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before


There's lot of one year "wonders" at any position in any sport, but it's rare a player has an MVP-worthy season and then flops (injuries aside). This isn't Nick Foles here.
Imagine being Buffalo right now,  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/10/2018 3:29 pm : link
I bet they are kicking themselves in the ass for not taking him at 10.

By the way, Reid has tailored the offense to Mahomes and is running basically the NFL version of the spread. Mahomes couldn't have landed in any better spot.
He's been the best player in the league by a bit  
Go Terps : 12/10/2018 3:39 pm : link
He's going to end up with numbers this year (50 TDs/5000 yards) that have only been touched by Brady and Peyton Manning. More importantly, his team is going to be the #1 seed in the AFC.

The game is changing, and this is the type of quarterback that is going to dominate going forward. If you're keeping your fingers crossed for the next Brees or Brady I think you're going to be waiting a long time.
RE: I  
Go Terps : 12/10/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14213240 AcidTest said:
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was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.

We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.


At this point I'd trade our entire roster for Mahomes.
RE: RE: I  
Deejboy : 12/10/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14213362 Go Terps said:
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was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.

We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.



At this point I'd trade our entire roster for Mahomes.

It's going to be hard for him to play 1 vs. 11 every down. Maybe he can pass the ball to himself.
KC found themselves a great qb  
micky : 12/10/2018 3:47 pm : link
Smart org
great throw by a guy with a clear baseball background  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/10/2018 4:30 pm : link
Mahomes has been a treat to watch, but I imagine this will be the best season he has in his career. Obviously he will get better with development and experience, but he's also in a fantastic situation. He has a very good offensive line, a speed freak dynamic weapon in Tyreek Hill that is perfect for a Mahomes type of QB and stretches the field, the best TE in football currently (given Gronk's health), and a head coach who is a fantastic offensive schemer. He's certainly making the most of the situation he is in, but I'm curious to see how he does throughout his career as his situation gets a little more flawed.
That pass was just sick  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/10/2018 4:32 pm : link
never seen that before
RE: That pass was just sick  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/10/2018 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14213476 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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never seen that before


This is not the first time he has done this. Check it out below.
No Look Pass at Texas Tech - ( New Window )
RE: He may or may not be the next all-everything or even HOF QB.  
bw in dc : 12/10/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14213140 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before


We have? Who?

The guy is a freak.
I imagined Andy Reid like this on the sideline:  
Pete in MD : 12/10/2018 5:20 pm : link
Nice pass, Mahomes!

Liked him a lot coming out  
jeff57 : 12/10/2018 6:16 pm : link
But I never thought he’s be this good.
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AcidTest : 12/10/2018 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14213244 ron mexico said:
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was wrong about Mahomes. I gave him a third round grade. I hated his mechanics. He constantly throws off his back foot, and like a baseball pitcher. He also came from a spread offense.

We were picking #23. The Chiefs were picking #17. It would have taken a lot to leapfrog them to get to #10.



27th, not 17th

No. 10: Buffalo → Kansas City (D). Buffalo traded their first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as their first-round selection in 2018.[source 1]


You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.
RE: RE: If you were allowed to actually hit QBs these days  
map7711 : 12/10/2018 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14213328 Dave in Hoboken said:
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there would be less Mahomes type players and more Eli type QBs.



Doubtful.


I'm now convinced Eli has killed your dog. Only explanation.
RE: He may or may not be the next all-everything or even HOF QB.  
Ash_3 : 12/10/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14213140 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before


No we haven't. The last time a rookie was this good, his name was RGIII and Andrew Luck (the former got injured, but had he stayed healthy, would have been a nightmare). Before that? Dan Marino.

It's pretty damn good company.
RE: If it s true MacAdoo wanted to trade up  
chopperhatch : 12/10/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14213097 joeinpa said:
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For that guy, pretty bad move on whomever vetoed him.


Nobody fucking vetoed him dude. Or at least you dont know that they did. The Chiefs gave up a 1 for a QB that was viewed as a VERY risky prospect. What if we gave up that first and wound up with Losman?
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bw in dc : 12/10/2018 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14213618 AcidTest said:
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You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.


It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?

On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.

I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...

Go Saquon! Go!




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djm : 12/10/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14213702 bw in dc said:
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You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.



It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?

On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.

I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...

Go Saquon! Go!





Bla bla bla that’s a great take. Yes, giants fans don’t want a great qb. The fuck are you talking about.

when you constantly shit all over everything giants related, your posts tend to lose their impact after a while. My god you even manage to criticize the notion that picking Barkley was the right move.

Chiefs get one fucking move at qb right for the first time since len fucking Dawson and we’re supposed to kiss the ring now. Gimme a break.

djm...  
bw in dc : 12/10/2018 11:25 pm : link
This is a great topic. How can you not be intrigued by the fact there were people at Jints Central who wanted to make a trade to get Mahomes? But they were overruled by the risk-averse “Giants Way” clan who pushed for a TE instead.

And now the Chiefs have that QB who is on the verge of being the MVP wth playmaking skills that combine the best of many of the great QBs we’ve seen.

Do you honestly think there aren’t people here who would rather have Barkley than Mahomes?
Djm  
dep026 : 12/11/2018 1:01 am : link
Giants fans making Cowboys fans look better. Nothing new here at BBI.
RE: Djm  
dep026 : 12/11/2018 1:01 am : link
In comment 14213999 dep026 said:
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Giants fans making Cowboys fans look better. Nothing new here at BBI.


Not referring to you djm. I think you know who I am referring too.
RE: He may or may not be the next all-everything or even HOF QB.  
santacruzom : 12/11/2018 2:02 am : link
In comment 14213140 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said this is effectively year 1 for him. We’ve seen this picture before


Oh we have?
Honestly,  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 12/11/2018 9:38 am : link
IMHO the only thing that stops Mahomes from continued greatness is serious injury. He has taken some serious hits to date and has responded remarkably well. The combination of his electric athleticism, his piss-missile of an arm and his toughness suggest that he will continue to be one of the three or four biggest difference makers in the league for some time -- barring injury.
I think the new rules in both sports  
Rolyrock : 12/11/2018 11:04 am : link
Help both Mahomes and Curry a great deal.
The contact, power game, physicality are being replaced with finesse and high scoring. I think they are both great but wouldnt be that great with out the rule changes.
RE: If it s true MacAdoo wanted to trade up  
RinR : 12/11/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 14213097 joeinpa said:
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For that guy, pretty bad move on whomever vetoed him.


It's been reported multiple times that the Giants tried to trade up to draft him. So not only was McAdoo not vetoed, Reese apparently agreed and tried to swing a deal. They obviously didnt offer enough or KC completed it before the Giants could.
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map7711 : 12/11/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 14213702 bw in dc said:
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You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.



It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?

On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.

I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...

Go Saquon! Go!





What in the holy hell are u talking about. Talk about a huge stretch. My god some of BBI stinks to high heaven.
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bw in dc : 12/11/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14214535 map7711 said:
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You're right. The Chiefs did pick behind us. My guess is that we still would have had to give up our #1 this year, and that was at least one reason we didn't trade up.



It was an aggressive move by the Chiefs who saw their future. Who do you think is in a better position to position to compete for championships the next five years?

On the other hand, we stayed put and got a TE. A TE.

I actually think there is at least a plurality of Giants fans who are glad we didn’t make the move for Mahomes, despite his win value and greatness, so we could grab Barkley. A player who provides great romance and entertainment. And a chance to say we may have the greatest RB ever. There seems to be great pride in that...

Go Saquon! Go!







What in the holy hell are u talking about. Talk about a huge stretch. My god some of BBI stinks to high heaven.


I think it's pretty clear what I'm saying - some Giants fans are so enamored with Barkley, and he is a talent, that they would rather keep Barkley than go back in time and trade for Mahomes.

RE: djm...  
djm : 12/11/2018 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14213944 bw in dc said:
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This is a great topic. How can you not be intrigued by the fact there were people at Jints Central who wanted to make a trade to get Mahomes? But they were overruled by the risk-averse “Giants Way” clan who pushed for a TE instead.

And now the Chiefs have that QB who is on the verge of being the MVP wth playmaking skills that combine the best of many of the great QBs we’ve seen.

Do you honestly think there aren’t people here who would rather have Barkley than Mahomes?


Who said THAT topic wasn’t intriguing? I was picking apart your insinuation or assertion that giants fans would rather lose with Barkley than win with mahomes. That’s horse shit and even childish to entertain.
And look  
djm : 12/11/2018 2:43 pm : link
I love mahomes, what’s not to love? But can we put to rest this myth that mahomes is michael Jordan on turf if he’s playing for the giants right now? Sorry, I ain’t buying that for a second and anyone who does is living in an alternate reality. Mahomes is a terrific talent but he’s playing in the most qb friendly system going, with as deep a supporting cast going and the NFL has not adjusted to his style yet. Maybe the nfl never does adjust, or maybe he goes one n done and never comes close to this techmo bowl level of play we are seeing. Who knows, what I do know is mahomes isn’t an mvp candidate if he’s playing for nyg right now. And you know it too.

Can we just be fucking happy with Barkley and move on? It was a great pick.
Soooo enamored with Barkley  
djm : 12/11/2018 2:46 pm : link
As if there is anything wrong with that...lol friggin wack job.

Barkley is perfect. Try and enjoy it for a minute or two. That’s what sports are supposed to be— enjoyable. Or you can talk about player salary and direct whether a two time super bowl mvp earned x amount of money that he shouldn’t have earned. Who even thinks that way...fans with too much time on their hands.
RE: And look  
rsjem1979 : 12/11/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14214883 djm said:
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Who knows, what I do know is mahomes isn’t an mvp candidate if he’s playing for nyg right now. And you know it too.


I don't know how that's supposed to make anyone feel better. He wouldn't be an MVP candidate here because the Giants as a franchise and from a coaching perspective are vastly inferior to his current team.
RE: And look  
bw in dc : 12/11/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14214883 djm said:
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I love mahomes, what’s not to love? But can we put to rest this myth that mahomes is michael Jordan on turf if he’s playing for the giants right now? Sorry, I ain’t buying that for a second and anyone who does is living in an alternate reality. Mahomes is a terrific talent but he’s playing in the most qb friendly system going, with as deep a supporting cast going and the NFL has not adjusted to his style yet. Maybe the nfl never does adjust, or maybe he goes one n done and never comes close to this techmo bowl level of play we are seeing. Who knows, what I do know is mahomes isn’t an mvp candidate if he’s playing for nyg right now. And you know it too.

Can we just be fucking happy with Barkley and move on? It was a great pick.


I don't know if Mahomes would be an MVP candidate if he was here. But I do think we'd have more wins and be right in the thick of the NFCE. And that conclusion is based on his exceptional mobility and improvisation skills. Eli isn't built to extend plays and doesn't have the arm to make consistently reliable deep throws anymore. Don't you think OBJ, SS, and EE would be salivating playing with this guy?

But that's not the real point. The real point is we'd be set for the future.

Furthermore, there would be NO questions about the most important position to solve for...We'd be handing the reins over to a QB whose skills perfectly mesh with today's NFL. And we were in the mix to draft him.

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