No concern that he was so awful in the playoffs that the Dodgers benched him, have zero interest in retaining him and that he's a 100 hitter in about 80 post season ABs? I don't watch the Dodgers often enough to have an opinion just seems like a some red flags. I like Cervelli for the Mets I think he's underrated but his health is always an issue. What are your thoughts on Ramos? The Mets met with him this week.
that Mets would be willing to do Nimmo/Rosario/Peterson for Realmuto but Marlins want Conforto instead of Nimmo.
I wouldn't do the Mets offer much less the Marlins offer. Massive overpay for 2 years. Don't do it.
Wow talk about getting skull fucked if that's what they are willing to give up. You can see why all these teams want to trade with the Mets cause they know they can take advantage.
BVW looking like a horrible hire so far. Only thing that looks good is the front office signings.
No concern that he was so awful in the playoffs that the Dodgers benched him, have zero interest in retaining him and that he's a 100 hitter in about 80 post season ABs? I don't watch the Dodgers often enough to have an opinion just seems like a some red flags. I like Cervelli for the Mets I think he's underrated but his health is always an issue. What are your thoughts on Ramos? The Mets met with him this week.
None. You're looking at 92 ab's in the playoffs career. What's the logical argument? He forgot how to play? One swing where he hits a big HR and nobody remembers what he did previously. The Dodgers offered him the QO so pretty clearly they were okay with him accepting and coming back at nearly 18 million.
a single sane Mets fan would sign for an off-season where they unload Kelenic, Nimmo, Rosario, Peterson and Dunn and have 36 year old Cano, a VERY good closer and 2 years of JT Realmuto to show for it. That would leave them having to fill SS, add at least 1 OF and their minor league system bare bones. I'd be sick, I'd legit be done with the Mets with the Wilpons as owners. I wouldn't switch to another team just follow the sports vs. caring about the Mets. People would be laughing at the Mets with such a trade. The Cano deal was polarizing but made some sense. This would be absurd. Truly, it would make the Mets a laughingstock.
I wouldn't. Not with the available FA OF's. They met with Adam Jones. Do you realize how bad he's been? This team is going to roll with Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and a P at 3/9 spots + an unproven Alonso, Juan Lagares and Todd Frazier? That's a nice 80 win squad.
I wouldn't. Not with the available FA OF's. They met with Adam Jones. Do you realize how bad he's been? This team is going to roll with Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and a P at 3/9 spots + an unproven Alonso, Juan Lagares and Todd Frazier? That's a nice 80 win squad.
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#Marlins GM Mike Hill said slow process on Realmuto is because Mia has been trying to eliminate clubs, narrow field, but interest is so strong that it has been hard to do that.
Plus the factor that BVW seems to be willing to vastly overpay.
tells me we are hearing an absolute ton from the Marlins office trying to drum up interest in Realmuto. They realize they did a horrible job selling off pieces last year that they have gone overboard in trying to do so this year. That latest report sounds like a 1920's used car salesman; "we're trying to narrow down the list and focus on making a deal, but geez; everybody wants him so what could ya do?". The rumored packages are so far fetched anyone should be able to see right through which side the source is for all this mis-information.
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Realmuto, Adam Jones, and one of the shortstops being bandied about in place of Plawecki/TDA, Nimmo, and Rosario is a multiwin *2019* downgrade and completely fucked up for financials and future
tells me we are hearing an absolute ton from the Marlins office trying to drum up interest in Realmuto. They realize they did a horrible job selling off pieces last year that they have gone overboard in trying to do so this year. That latest report sounds like a 1920's used car salesman; "we're trying to narrow down the list and focus on making a deal, but geez; everybody wants him so what could ya do?". The rumored packages are so far fetched anyone should be able to see right through which side the source is for all this mis-information.
Thinking/hoping you are right on this. Rosario/Nimmo+ for realmuto would definitely give me real pause as a Mets fan. Definitely would bail out on my plan seats. I'd be really, really pissed.
If the Mets/Marlins/Yankees are discussing a 3 team trade, why would Sanchez AND Realmuto go to the Mets? Or was Realmuto coming to the Bronx?
Sounds like the Mets and Yankees had talks independent of the Marlins stuff. My guess is the Yankees probably considered an option where they signed Grandal (or traded for Realmuto) and moved Sanchez for someone like Zack Wheeler.
If the Mets/Marlins/Yankees are discussing a 3 team trade, why would Sanchez AND Realmuto go to the Mets? Or was Realmuto coming to the Bronx?
The Yankees were reportedly asking about both Wheeler and Syndergaard. The Mets certainly weren't trading Syndergaard for Sanchez but if the Yankees replaced Sanchez with Grandal (or even Ramos) or traded for Realmuto + Wheeler that certainly would have made the 2019 Yankees better on paper.
No concern that he was so awful in the playoffs that the Dodgers benched him, have zero interest in retaining him and that he's a 100 hitter in about 80 post season ABs? I don't watch the Dodgers often enough to have an opinion just seems like a some red flags. I like Cervelli for the Mets I think he's underrated but his health is always an issue. What are your thoughts on Ramos? The Mets met with him this week.
The Dodgers have Barnes at catcher who was the #1 catcher prospect in baseball a couple of years ago plus they also have two of the top 10 catcher prospects in all of baseball close to being ready. I think that's the reason they are willing to move on from Grandal not because of his poor playoff performance.
sources say there was never a sense the Mets would have felt comfortable sending Syndergaard to the Bronx and that while casual talks were had it was never particularly close. Other Mets pitching was discussed so you're looking at Wheeler, Matz (can't imagine the Yankees like him enough to have it make sense) and maybe Lugo (who would be a sneaky add).
the Mets side I would have moved Wheeler for Sanchez before Morton and Happ were plucked off the market. I'd like to keep Wheeler but I suspect he tests FA. For 2019 and 2020 Sanchez + Morton or Happ would have made the Mets a better team than what they have now. It actually made some sense for both sides. Less so now.
would be an awful deal for NYY. I can't possibly imagine that's what they were kicking around.
I get that Wheeler was tremendously impressive for the second half of last year, but the legend of Zack Wheeler with one year of control has gotten a bit inflated around these parts.
Even coming off of the most nightmarish 25-year old seasons imaginable last year, Sanchez is still one of the top assets in the game at his position when you look at the upside / cost control.
More likely that it was Sanchez as part of a package for Syndergaard.
would be an awful deal for NYY. I can't possibly imagine that's what they were kicking around.
I get that Wheeler was tremendously impressive for the second half of last year, but the legend of Zack Wheeler with one year of control has gotten a bit inflated around these parts.
Even coming off of the most nightmarish 25-year old seasons imaginable last year, Sanchez is still one of the top assets in the game at his position when you look at the upside / cost control.
More likely that it was Sanchez as part of a package for Syndergaard.
Again. Multiple sources say Syndergaard was never truly part of discussions beyond a cursory talk. You're looking at it as 1 for 1. But the Yankees with Grandal/Wheeler are certainly better than just Sanchez and Wheeler is cheap.
Severino, Paxton, Tanaka, Wheeler, Sabathia
C Realmuto/Grandal/Ramos
SS Manny Machado
3b Andujar
2b Torres
LF Stanton
CF Hicks
RF Judge
1b Voit
remove those catchers, remove Wheeler, and sign Morton for 2 years $35M (for the sake of argument, say they'd have had to overpay vs what the Rays got done).
Still loaded. about equally as expensive. and you didn't sell extremely low on Sanchez. and you don't need to pay Wheeler full market value next year in the upside case. Downside cash is Wheeler turned back into a pumpkin and you got even more ass-pounded on that trade than you already thought you did.
Love these discussions, but Wheeler for Sanchez s/u is a non-starter for me, and I don't believe NYY would have come remotely close to doing that. If they did, I'm worried about what dumb shit they actually might do.
is an excellent bounce back candidate. Even his "really bad" season came with a 3.91 FIP. For whatever the reason he's not quite as dynamic as some thought he would be (could be as simple as the height making it easier to pick up) but I suspect he's a solid #3 for someone this season.
actual deal seems unclear, the Dodgers love these crazy deals though.
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#Reds, #Dodgers continue to talk. Kemp also part of conversations, sources say. Lots of names, lots of proposals. As noted yesterday, Bailey likely would go back to LAD.
to trade Sanchez for Wheeler. If the plan is to trade Sanchez who costs no money and sign a FA catcher way more than Wheeler would have to come back and not from the Mets.
For 1 year control of Wheeler and 2 years of Realmuto makes little sense unless Mets/Marlins were sending back more talent
Wheeler was one of the best pitchers in baseball since the all star break. Realmuto is one of the best catchers in baseball. And you want more talent for a guy who hit under the Mendoza line and had the most passed balls in either league despite missing significant time with injuries?
RE: RE: Sanchez is under control for 4 more years.
For 1 year control of Wheeler and 2 years of Realmuto makes little sense unless Mets/Marlins were sending back more talent
Wheeler was one of the best pitchers in baseball since the all star break. Realmuto is one of the best catchers in baseball. And you want more talent for a guy who hit under the Mendoza line and had the most passed balls in either league despite missing significant time with injuries?
Youre undervaluing Sanchez here, which is only fair because of his season last year. But it just proves the point that trading Sanchez now, if the Yankees even want to at all, is a ridiculous notion being that his value is so low.
I wouldn't do the Mets offer much less the Marlins offer. Massive overpay for 2 years. Don't do it.
Wow talk about getting skull fucked if that's what they are willing to give up. You can see why all these teams want to trade with the Mets cause they know they can take advantage.
BVW looking like a horrible hire so far. Only thing that looks good is the front office signings.
None. You're looking at 92 ab's in the playoffs career. What's the logical argument? He forgot how to play? One swing where he hits a big HR and nobody remembers what he did previously. The Dodgers offered him the QO so pretty clearly they were okay with him accepting and coming back at nearly 18 million.
Ill be joining you and Im not even joking.
I wouldn't. Not with the available FA OF's. They met with Adam Jones. Do you realize how bad he's been? This team is going to roll with Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and a P at 3/9 spots + an unproven Alonso, Juan Lagares and Todd Frazier? That's a nice 80 win squad.
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And if you are a real fan of this team, you should question why Mets can't just sign Grandal, and KEEP Rosario/Nimmo/Peterson.
Note: there was only a 1.2 WAR difference between Realmuto and Grandal in '18!"
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I wouldn't. Not with the available FA OF's. They met with Adam Jones. Do you realize how bad he's been? This team is going to roll with Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and a P at 3/9 spots + an unproven Alonso, Juan Lagares and Todd Frazier? That's a nice 80 win squad.
LOL Adam Jones. That would be awful.
#Marlins GM Mike Hill said slow process on Realmuto is because Mia has been trying to eliminate clubs, narrow field, but interest is so strong that it has been hard to do that.
Plus the factor that BVW seems to be willing to vastly overpay.
Carig says Sanchez was part of the Mets/Marlins/Yankee talks, Sanchez would have landed in Flushing.
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Realmuto, Adam Jones, and one of the shortstops being bandied about in place of Plawecki/TDA, Nimmo, and Rosario is a multiwin *2019* downgrade and completely fucked up for financials and future
Thinking/hoping you are right on this. Rosario/Nimmo+ for realmuto would definitely give me real pause as a Mets fan. Definitely would bail out on my plan seats. I'd be really, really pissed.
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My head might explode.
Sounds like the Mets and Yankees had talks independent of the Marlins stuff. My guess is the Yankees probably considered an option where they signed Grandal (or traded for Realmuto) and moved Sanchez for someone like Zack Wheeler.
The Yankees were reportedly asking about both Wheeler and Syndergaard. The Mets certainly weren't trading Syndergaard for Sanchez but if the Yankees replaced Sanchez with Grandal (or even Ramos) or traded for Realmuto + Wheeler that certainly would have made the 2019 Yankees better on paper.
The Dodgers have Barnes at catcher who was the #1 catcher prospect in baseball a couple of years ago plus they also have two of the top 10 catcher prospects in all of baseball close to being ready. I think that's the reason they are willing to move on from Grandal not because of his poor playoff performance.
I get that Wheeler was tremendously impressive for the second half of last year, but the legend of Zack Wheeler with one year of control has gotten a bit inflated around these parts.
Even coming off of the most nightmarish 25-year old seasons imaginable last year, Sanchez is still one of the top assets in the game at his position when you look at the upside / cost control.
More likely that it was Sanchez as part of a package for Syndergaard.
I get that Wheeler was tremendously impressive for the second half of last year, but the legend of Zack Wheeler with one year of control has gotten a bit inflated around these parts.
Even coming off of the most nightmarish 25-year old seasons imaginable last year, Sanchez is still one of the top assets in the game at his position when you look at the upside / cost control.
More likely that it was Sanchez as part of a package for Syndergaard.
Again. Multiple sources say Syndergaard was never truly part of discussions beyond a cursory talk. You're looking at it as 1 for 1. But the Yankees with Grandal/Wheeler are certainly better than just Sanchez and Wheeler is cheap.
Severino, Paxton, Tanaka, Wheeler, Sabathia
C Realmuto/Grandal/Ramos
SS Manny Machado
3b Andujar
2b Torres
LF Stanton
CF Hicks
RF Judge
1b Voit
That's a loaded team
Snell, MadBum, Morton, Glasnow top 5, Font or Faria as the #5 and Honeywell and De Leon were top SP prospects coming back from TJ.
Yankees among the teams who have discussed Stroman
Still loaded. about equally as expensive. and you didn't sell extremely low on Sanchez. and you don't need to pay Wheeler full market value next year in the upside case. Downside cash is Wheeler turned back into a pumpkin and you got even more ass-pounded on that trade than you already thought you did.
Love these discussions, but Wheeler for Sanchez s/u is a non-starter for me, and I don't believe NYY would have come remotely close to doing that. If they did, I'm worried about what dumb shit they actually might do.
Red and Dodgers discussing a Kemp/Bailey deal.
Red and Dodgers discussing a Kemp/Bailey deal.
I don't know the intricacies of either contract, but that has to be a straight luxury tax play for LAD, right?
Red and Dodgers discussing a Kemp/Bailey deal.
The Reds are interested in Alex Wood. Perhaps the Dodgers are offering him to entice the Reds to take on Kemp's contract.
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#Reds, #Dodgers continue to talk. Kemp also part of conversations, sources say. Lots of names, lots of proposals. As noted yesterday, Bailey likely would go back to LAD.
Wheeler was one of the best pitchers in baseball since the all star break. Realmuto is one of the best catchers in baseball. And you want more talent for a guy who hit under the Mendoza line and had the most passed balls in either league despite missing significant time with injuries?
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For 1 year control of Wheeler and 2 years of Realmuto makes little sense unless Mets/Marlins were sending back more talent
Wheeler was one of the best pitchers in baseball since the all star break. Realmuto is one of the best catchers in baseball. And you want more talent for a guy who hit under the Mendoza line and had the most passed balls in either league despite missing significant time with injuries?
Youre undervaluing Sanchez here, which is only fair because of his season last year. But it just proves the point that trading Sanchez now, if the Yankees even want to at all, is a ridiculous notion being that his value is so low.
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