seems in over his head. This is idiotic. Realmuto is a very good player. He's not a special player.
Jose Ramirez first 180 MLB games 1.7 fWAR, Arenado first 133 MLB games 1.8 fWAR, JDM first 252 games NEGATIVE .1 fWAR, Freeman 177 games .4 fWAR, Rosario 200 games 1.8 fWAR... BUST!!!!
The Yankees have apparently had preliminary talks about Scooter Gennett with the Reds
Gray for Gannett has been rumored for a while. Honestly, it's up Cashman's alley to dumpster dive. I wonder if the Yankees try to sign Tulo to plug in at short while Didi is out. Tulo gets to try to resurrect his career with little pressure considering all the bats he has around him. And the Yankees don't have to screw around moving Torres.
no point watching the Marlins was I ever "scared" to see Realmuto up there. That's the kind of player you consider dealing a Rosario or a Nimmo or even a Syndergaard for. This is very, very silly if accurate.
no point watching the Marlins was I ever "scared" to see Realmuto up there. That's the kind of player you consider dealing a Rosario or a Nimmo or even a Syndergaard for. This is very, very silly if accurate.
You would think he was Piazza in his prime with all the attention he is getting. Especially annoying with so many other options in FA.
Rosario the #5 overall prospect in baseball a few years ago, and he caught fire towards the end of his official first season in the bigs and now trading him away...? Makes no sense, especially if for Realmuto straight up
Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
I feel like if they gave him up that's a lot more tolerable to swallow than Syndergaard.
Rosario final 2 months of the season OPS+ over 100 5 homers, 10 doubles 2 triples with 15 steals.
What's your take, did he turn a corner or just get hot?
he was the best hitter on the US team in the Japan series after the season. he showed true signs of life
"Nearly three months ago, we ran a piece titled "2018's Most Improved Hitters." It wasn't just based on early-season stat lines; it was looking at under-the-hood factors like improved hard-hit rate or decreased strikeouts. Most of the names made plenty of sense, like Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and Mitch Haniger. Sometimes it's not hard to see improvement.
One name that didn't make sense on that Top 10 was Amed Rosario. At the time, he was hitting .251/.284/.366, a line that was 25 percent worse than the Major League average. If the underlying peripherals were trying to tell us a breakout was coming for Rosario, it was a difficult one to see. And all these months later, he's hitting all of .249/.290/.372, which is to say ... nearly the same below-average line he had back in June.
Rosario's breakout hasn't officially arrived yet, but the factors that made him pop up on our list back in June haven't changed -- and we might just be finally seeing the beginnings of the production that the improved underlying metrics hinted at." Link - ( New Window )
Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
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Mets said very aggressive on Realmuto. Debate in room now about whether to give up coveted SS Rosario in package or top SP Syndergaard. Mets didnt want to open SS hole but that hasnt been ruled out. Plus, while NYY thing is less a hurdle now, 3 way deals are still complicated
Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
Billy King-ish.
Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.
I mean - Billy King took the Nets from last to a 2nd rd playoff team
was that worth it? If Deron Williams wasn't a total turd and if he didn't include all the pick swaps with the celtics it might have been.
The thing is Brodie is talking about dealing future cornerstones and nothing that's coming back in return is dramatically better than whats available via free agency.
Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
Billy King-ish.
Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.
2 things:
1- Dombrowski was also able to spend big money bringing in Price and Martinez.
2- Dombrowski didn't trade too many young players who were already breaking into the MLB and performing. Had he dealt Betts, Bogoerts, Benitendi, Bradley, etc that strategy wouldn't look great. Moncada was like 19 when he was traded, Kopech was pretty far off too, etc.
Rosario, Thor, Nimmo, Conforto (who have all been in various rumors) IMO are much more the former than the latter. Kelenic/Dunn are more the types of guys Dombrowski traded.
I guess the Astros are content to roll with Chirinos
Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
Billy King-ish.
Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.
2 things:
1- Dombrowski was also able to spend big money bringing in Price and Martinez.
2- Dombrowski didn't trade too many young players who were already breaking into the MLB and performing. Had he dealt Betts, Bogoerts, Benitendi, Bradley, etc that strategy wouldn't look great. Moncada was like 19 when he was traded, Kopech was pretty far off too, etc.
Rosario, Thor, Nimmo, Conforto (who have all been in various rumors) IMO are much more the former than the latter. Kelenic/Dunn are more the types of guys Dombrowski traded.
Red Sox got their ring, now their owners will want to keep their money. Odds are Sale will end up on the shelf at some point in 2019. And they aren't replicating their 2018 production. Boston is not repeating next year so bring the costs down now.
RE: I guess the Astros are content to roll with Chirinos
But winners get copied. The Sawx are making it cool to be a contender with absolute garbage behind the plate.
Well that's my point basically. Why not copy what the winners do? Realmuto isn't some massive need. The best teams aren't going bonkers for him. The Mets are.
He traded for Sale, Thornburg, Nunez, and other minor players, but it hurt their farm system
but my point is he doesn't give a F about the farm if the major league team is winning. If the major league team didn't win and the prospects excelled the backlsh would have likely lost him his job.
In DET he traded for:
Dontrelle Willis and Miggy
Renteria
Scherzer
Fister
Anibal Sanchez
Kinsler
Soria
Price
Cespedes
and in Florida he also traded to acquire veterans
Point is some of those trades included major leaguers for major leaguers, but most included prospects.
But winners get copied. The Sawx are making it cool to be a contender with absolute garbage behind the plate.
Not just them, the Astros the year before, the Cubs the year before, and you can probably keep looking back. Yadi Molina and Posey the exceptions, but it's true, you don't need Piazza or Yogi Berra @ catcher to win a WS in this era.
But winners get copied. The Sawx are making it cool to be a contender with absolute garbage behind the plate.
Well that's my point basically. Why not copy what the winners do? Realmuto isn't some massive need. The best teams aren't going bonkers for him. The Brody is.
I thought a lot of what motivated the Tigers to be so aggressive
which involved margot when he was in AA. My point was that in boston he didn't trade any of his blue chip young position players and he was able to sign 9 digit free agent contracts. BVW seems to be very willing to discuss the former and hasn't even taken meetings with the free agents who would fit the latter.
relative to simply signing a free agent catcher, or getting Cervelli for a fraction of the price.
Rosario's upside is still really big.
It would certainly sting but Realmuto is the best catcher available and hes also the youngest. Grandal could also cost as much as 20 AAV (and the 2nd pick and pool money) and he also has some warts (better from the left side, streaky, passed balls, etc.). If Mets spend that saved money on more players (similar to the Cano deal) I can probably get on board.
Sign Iglesias as a stopgap until Gimenez arrives. Also then extend Realmuto.
Im out on trading Thor 100%.
If they trade Rosario, totally agree on Iglesias. I'm constantly surprised he isn't a more in demand player. But I would not trade Rosario.
I've come around that my top catcher option is Cervelli. 1 year deal, reasonable salary, can do a little bit of everything, shouldn't cost too much. IMO Cervelli + Rosario > Realmuto + Iglesias both on the field and on the payroll.
is almost no change Iglesias signs a budget friendly 1 year deal. He likely gets 3 years. He's 29 in January, he's not a "fill in for a year" type at this stage. 2.5 fWAR in 2018. Steamer has him above average in 2019 again over a full-season.
Yeah.. why not? He had a 83 wRC+ as recently as 2017. Its not like Rosarios 2018 is some huge bar to clear. Heck, I could probably live with Guillorme temporarily in the 8th spot. Love Rosarios upside but I could see the logic there. All Im saying.
the marlins know they have to deal him now. Start a faux NY bidding war in the press and hope 1 of the 15 teams interested eventually puts 1 of their young controllable players on the table (Rosario, Andujar, Nimmo, etc).
I'd tell them to go scratch and just trade for Cervelli. Or sign Grandal. Realmuto is not good enough to be worth the holding up whatever the backup plans are.
RE: I know capone is just speculating but i think he's 100% right
the marlins know they have to deal him now. Start a faux NY bidding war in the press and hope 1 of the 15 teams interested eventually puts 1 of their young controllable players on the table (Rosario, Andujar, Nimmo, etc).
I'd tell them to go scratch and just trade for Cervelli. Or sign Grandal. Realmuto is not good enough to be worth the holding up whatever the backup plans are.
The back up plan would be actually talking to free agents....
but I'd do more than that - just pull the trigger on plan B and move on. If Realmuto's cost is more than a 2nd round comp pick (it is) it's not worth it. Over the next 4 years he will likely make more money than Grandal. As great as his 2 year contract looks right now, years 3+ are going to be very expensive. And if you trade a lot for him you don't let him walk after 2 years.
Seems the #Mets are getting the ultimatum from the #Marlins- send Thor to the #Yankees or well send Realmuto to one of your other rivals. Not MIAs job to do NYM any favors here. . - ( New Window )
Is that part of a Sonny Gray trade?
Jose Ramirez first 180 MLB games 1.7 fWAR, Arenado first 133 MLB games 1.8 fWAR, JDM first 252 games NEGATIVE .1 fWAR, Freeman 177 games .4 fWAR, Rosario 200 games 1.8 fWAR... BUST!!!!
Gray for Gannett has been rumored for a while. Honestly, it's up Cashman's alley to dumpster dive. I wonder if the Yankees try to sign Tulo to plug in at short while Didi is out. Tulo gets to try to resurrect his career with little pressure considering all the bats he has around him. And the Yankees don't have to screw around moving Torres.
You would think he was Piazza in his prime with all the attention he is getting. Especially annoying with so many other options in FA.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
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I feel like if they gave him up that's a lot more tolerable to swallow than Syndergaard.
Rosario final 2 months of the season OPS+ over 100 5 homers, 10 doubles 2 triples with 15 steals.
What's your take, did he turn a corner or just get hot?
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I feel like if they gave him up that's a lot more tolerable to swallow than Syndergaard.
Rosario final 2 months of the season OPS+ over 100 5 homers, 10 doubles 2 triples with 15 steals.
What's your take, did he turn a corner or just get hot?
he was the best hitter on the US team in the Japan series after the season. he showed true signs of life
"Nearly three months ago, we ran a piece titled "2018's Most Improved Hitters." It wasn't just based on early-season stat lines; it was looking at under-the-hood factors like improved hard-hit rate or decreased strikeouts. Most of the names made plenty of sense, like Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and Mitch Haniger. Sometimes it's not hard to see improvement.
One name that didn't make sense on that Top 10 was Amed Rosario. At the time, he was hitting .251/.284/.366, a line that was 25 percent worse than the Major League average. If the underlying peripherals were trying to tell us a breakout was coming for Rosario, it was a difficult one to see. And all these months later, he's hitting all of .249/.290/.372, which is to say ... nearly the same below-average line he had back in June.
Rosario's breakout hasn't officially arrived yet, but the factors that made him pop up on our list back in June haven't changed -- and we might just be finally seeing the beginnings of the production that the improved underlying metrics hinted at."
Link - ( New Window )
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
Billy King-ish.
Jon Heyman
Verified account @JonHeyman
50s51 seconds ago
Mets said very aggressive on Realmuto. Debate in room now about whether to give up coveted SS Rosario in package or top SP Syndergaard. Mets didnt want to open SS hole but that hasnt been ruled out. Plus, while NYY thing is less a hurdle now, 3 way deals are still complicated
This would be monumentally stupid
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Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
Billy King-ish.
Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.
The thing is Brodie is talking about dealing future cornerstones and nothing that's coming back in return is dramatically better than whats available via free agency.
No problem.
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Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
Billy King-ish.
Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.
2 things:
1- Dombrowski was also able to spend big money bringing in Price and Martinez.
2- Dombrowski didn't trade too many young players who were already breaking into the MLB and performing. Had he dealt Betts, Bogoerts, Benitendi, Bradley, etc that strategy wouldn't look great. Moncada was like 19 when he was traded, Kopech was pretty far off too, etc.
Rosario, Thor, Nimmo, Conforto (who have all been in various rumors) IMO are much more the former than the latter. Kelenic/Dunn are more the types of guys Dombrowski traded.
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In comment 14215013 pjcas18 said:
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Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.
because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.
he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
Billy King-ish.
Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.
2 things:
1- Dombrowski was also able to spend big money bringing in Price and Martinez.
2- Dombrowski didn't trade too many young players who were already breaking into the MLB and performing. Had he dealt Betts, Bogoerts, Benitendi, Bradley, etc that strategy wouldn't look great. Moncada was like 19 when he was traded, Kopech was pretty far off too, etc.
Rosario, Thor, Nimmo, Conforto (who have all been in various rumors) IMO are much more the former than the latter. Kelenic/Dunn are more the types of guys Dombrowski traded.
Red Sox got their ring, now their owners will want to keep their money. Odds are Sale will end up on the shelf at some point in 2019. And they aren't replicating their 2018 production. Boston is not repeating next year so bring the costs down now.
I mean he can hit a little... but is 35 in June, hit .222 with 140 k's and threw out... not a typo 6/59 baserunners...
Well that's my point basically. Why not copy what the winners do? Realmuto isn't some massive need. The best teams aren't going bonkers for him. The Mets are.
he only signed JDM of significance.
He traded for Sale, Thornburg, Nunez, and other minor players, but it hurt their farm system
but my point is he doesn't give a F about the farm if the major league team is winning. If the major league team didn't win and the prospects excelled the backlsh would have likely lost him his job.
In DET he traded for:
Dontrelle Willis and Miggy
Renteria
Scherzer
Fister
Anibal Sanchez
Kinsler
Soria
Price
Cespedes
and in Florida he also traded to acquire veterans
Point is some of those trades included major leaguers for major leaguers, but most included prospects.
Not just them, the Astros the year before, the Cubs the year before, and you can probably keep looking back. Yadi Molina and Posey the exceptions, but it's true, you don't need Piazza or Yogi Berra @ catcher to win a WS in this era.
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But winners get copied. The Sawx are making it cool to be a contender with absolute garbage behind the plate.
Well that's my point basically. Why not copy what the winners do? Realmuto isn't some massive need. The best teams aren't going bonkers for him. The Brody is.
I guess the tactic stuck with Dombrowski.
Im out on trading Thor 100%.
Rosario's upside is still really big.
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#Phillies are involved in J.T. Realmuto trade talks, source confirms @JonHeyman report. @MLB @MLBNetwork
Rosario's upside is still really big.
It would certainly sting but Realmuto is the best catcher available and hes also the youngest. Grandal could also cost as much as 20 AAV (and the 2nd pick and pool money) and he also has some warts (better from the left side, streaky, passed balls, etc.). If Mets spend that saved money on more players (similar to the Cano deal) I can probably get on board.
Im out on trading Thor 100%.
If they trade Rosario, totally agree on Iglesias. I'm constantly surprised he isn't a more in demand player. But I would not trade Rosario.
I've come around that my top catcher option is Cervelli. 1 year deal, reasonable salary, can do a little bit of everything, shouldn't cost too much. IMO Cervelli + Rosario > Realmuto + Iglesias both on the field and on the payroll.
Lots of options. As long as the Mets dont trade Thor, Nimmo, etc. for him I can probably see the benefit.
Verified account @jonmorosi
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#Phillies are involved in J.T. Realmuto trade talks, source confirms @JonHeyman report. @MLB @MLBNetwork
Alfaro presumably would be part of this.
He's.. REALLY bad. 3.9 fWAR career, 2.6 coming in 2015 which means his ENTIRE career outside of a fluke 2015 681 games... 1.3 fWAR.
A #Marlins official described #Mets as extremely aggressive on Realmuto
Andy Martino
Mets are reluctant to move Rosario but I dont think as reluctant as they say publicly. Boy oh boy do they want Realmuto
Joel Sherman is a HOF bullshit distributor... the marlins feed him this , he knows it may be complete bullshit but they owe him one ..
I'd tell them to go scratch and just trade for Cervelli. Or sign Grandal. Realmuto is not good enough to be worth the holding up whatever the backup plans are.
I'd tell them to go scratch and just trade for Cervelli. Or sign Grandal. Realmuto is not good enough to be worth the holding up whatever the backup plans are.
The back up plan would be actually talking to free agents....
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Bio says he's an anchor for spectrum news sports in upstate NY.
Probably just making an opinion from reading other people's tweets.