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ajr2456 : 12/10/2018 11:19 pm
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Realmuto to Mets
Thor to Yanks
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RE: in other news  
YAJ2112 : 12/11/2018 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14214992 Greg from LI said:
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The Yankees have apparently had preliminary talks about Scooter Gennett with the Reds


Is that part of a Sonny Gray trade?
Brodie  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 3:51 pm : link
seems in over his head. This is idiotic. Realmuto is a very good player. He's not a special player.

Jose Ramirez first 180 MLB games 1.7 fWAR, Arenado first 133 MLB games 1.8 fWAR, JDM first 252 games NEGATIVE .1 fWAR, Freeman 177 games .4 fWAR, Rosario 200 games 1.8 fWAR... BUST!!!!
RE: in other news  
Matt in SGS : 12/11/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14214992 Greg from LI said:
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The Yankees have apparently had preliminary talks about Scooter Gennett with the Reds


Gray for Gannett has been rumored for a while. Honestly, it's up Cashman's alley to dumpster dive. I wonder if the Yankees try to sign Tulo to plug in at short while Didi is out. Tulo gets to try to resurrect his career with little pressure considering all the bats he has around him. And the Yankees don't have to screw around moving Torres.
At  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 3:53 pm : link
no point watching the Marlins was I ever "scared" to see Realmuto up there. That's the kind of player you consider dealing a Rosario or a Nimmo or even a Syndergaard for. This is very, very silly if accurate.
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KevinBBWC : 12/11/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14215004 DanMetroMan said:
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no point watching the Marlins was I ever "scared" to see Realmuto up there. That's the kind of player you consider dealing a Rosario or a Nimmo or even a Syndergaard for. This is very, very silly if accurate.


You would think he was Piazza in his prime with all the attention he is getting. Especially annoying with so many other options in FA.
Wasn't  
ryanmkeane : 12/11/2018 3:57 pm : link
Rosario the #5 overall prospect in baseball a few years ago, and he caught fire towards the end of his official first season in the bigs and now trading him away...? Makes no sense, especially if for Realmuto straight up
If BVW trades Kelenic  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2018 3:58 pm : link
Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.

because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.

he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.
RE: RE: Can someone summarize Rosario's season?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/11/2018 3:59 pm : link
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I feel like if they gave him up that's a lot more tolerable to swallow than Syndergaard.



Rosario final 2 months of the season OPS+ over 100 5 homers, 10 doubles 2 triples with 15 steals.


What's your take, did he turn a corner or just get hot?
RE: RE: RE: Can someone summarize Rosario's season?  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:02 pm : link
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I feel like if they gave him up that's a lot more tolerable to swallow than Syndergaard.



Rosario final 2 months of the season OPS+ over 100 5 homers, 10 doubles 2 triples with 15 steals.



What's your take, did he turn a corner or just get hot?


he was the best hitter on the US team in the Japan series after the season. he showed true signs of life

"Nearly three months ago, we ran a piece titled "2018's Most Improved Hitters." It wasn't just based on early-season stat lines; it was looking at under-the-hood factors like improved hard-hit rate or decreased strikeouts. Most of the names made plenty of sense, like Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and Mitch Haniger. Sometimes it's not hard to see improvement.

One name that didn't make sense on that Top 10 was Amed Rosario. At the time, he was hitting .251/.284/.366, a line that was 25 percent worse than the Major League average. If the underlying peripherals were trying to tell us a breakout was coming for Rosario, it was a difficult one to see. And all these months later, he's hitting all of .249/.290/.372, which is to say ... nearly the same below-average line he had back in June.

Rosario's breakout hasn't officially arrived yet, but the factors that made him pop up on our list back in June haven't changed -- and we might just be finally seeing the beginnings of the production that the improved underlying metrics hinted at."
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RE: If BVW trades Kelenic  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2018 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14215013 pjcas18 said:
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Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.

because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.

he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.


Billy King-ish.
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jpkmets : 12/11/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14214954 KevinBBWC said:
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Jon Heyman
‏Verified account @JonHeyman
50s51 seconds ago

Mets said very aggressive on Realmuto. Debate in room now about whether to give up coveted SS Rosario in package or top SP Syndergaard. Mets didnt want to open SS hole but that hasnt been ruled out. Plus, while NYY thing is less a hurdle now, 3 way deals are still complicated


This would be monumentally stupid
RE: RE: If BVW trades Kelenic  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14215019 Eric on Li said:
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Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.

because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.

he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.



Billy King-ish.


Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.
I mean - Billy King took the Nets from last to a 2nd rd playoff team  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2018 4:05 pm : link
was that worth it? If Deron Williams wasn't a total turd and if he didn't include all the pick swaps with the celtics it might have been.

The thing is Brodie is talking about dealing future cornerstones and nothing that's coming back in return is dramatically better than whats available via free agency.
Interesting.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/11/2018 4:09 pm : link
Thanks Dan.
RE: Interesting.  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14215028 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Thanks Dan.


No problem.
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DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:11 pm : link
Why aren't LEGIT WS contenders with holes at C (namely Houston/LAD) falling all over themselves for JT Piazza? Both teams have the chips to land him.
RE: RE: RE: If BVW trades Kelenic  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2018 4:13 pm : link
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Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.

because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.

he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.



Billy King-ish.



Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.



2 things:

1- Dombrowski was also able to spend big money bringing in Price and Martinez.

2- Dombrowski didn't trade too many young players who were already breaking into the MLB and performing. Had he dealt Betts, Bogoerts, Benitendi, Bradley, etc that strategy wouldn't look great. Moncada was like 19 when he was traded, Kopech was pretty far off too, etc.

Rosario, Thor, Nimmo, Conforto (who have all been in various rumors) IMO are much more the former than the latter. Kelenic/Dunn are more the types of guys Dombrowski traded.
I guess the Astros are content to roll with Chirinos  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2018 4:13 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: If BVW trades Kelenic  
Matt in SGS : 12/11/2018 4:15 pm : link
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Rosario and Dunn in one off-season and maybe even Thor he's got a giant set of balls.

because it means he's putting all his chips in to the center of the table and calling everyone's bluff.

he could become a Mets hero and basically pick his career path (with just about any franchise once his Mets tenure ends) or he can become a massive, and I mean cataclysmic failure - the type to set a franchise back 5 years if things go off the rails.



Billy King-ish.



Or Dave Dombrowski-ish if you want a positive example.




2 things:

1- Dombrowski was also able to spend big money bringing in Price and Martinez.

2- Dombrowski didn't trade too many young players who were already breaking into the MLB and performing. Had he dealt Betts, Bogoerts, Benitendi, Bradley, etc that strategy wouldn't look great. Moncada was like 19 when he was traded, Kopech was pretty far off too, etc.

Rosario, Thor, Nimmo, Conforto (who have all been in various rumors) IMO are much more the former than the latter. Kelenic/Dunn are more the types of guys Dombrowski traded.


Red Sox got their ring, now their owners will want to keep their money. Odds are Sale will end up on the shelf at some point in 2019. And they aren't replicating their 2018 production. Boston is not repeating next year so bring the costs down now.
RE: I guess the Astros are content to roll with Chirinos  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14215035 Greg from LI said:
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I mean he can hit a little... but is 35 in June, hit .222 with 140 k's and threw out... not a typo 6/59 baserunners...
hey, you don't have to convince me  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2018 4:18 pm : link
But winners get copied. The Sawx are making it cool to be a contender with absolute garbage behind the plate.
RE: hey, you don't have to convince me  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14215043 Greg from LI said:
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But winners get copied. The Sawx are making it cool to be a contender with absolute garbage behind the plate.


Well that's my point basically. Why not copy what the winners do? Realmuto isn't some massive need. The best teams aren't going bonkers for him. The Mets are.
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:21 pm : link
is now saying to look for Grandal. DO it baby.
Dombrowski with the Red Sox  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2018 4:21 pm : link
inherited Price.

he only signed JDM of significance.

He traded for Sale, Thornburg, Nunez, and other minor players, but it hurt their farm system

but my point is he doesn't give a F about the farm if the major league team is winning. If the major league team didn't win and the prospects excelled the backlsh would have likely lost him his job.

In DET he traded for:
Dontrelle Willis and Miggy
Renteria
Scherzer
Fister
Anibal Sanchez
Kinsler
Soria
Price
Cespedes

and in Florida he also traded to acquire veterans

Point is some of those trades included major leaguers for major leaguers, but most included prospects.
RE: hey, you don't have to convince me  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14215043 Greg from LI said:
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But winners get copied. The Sawx are making it cool to be a contender with absolute garbage behind the plate.


Not just them, the Astros the year before, the Cubs the year before, and you can probably keep looking back. Yadi Molina and Posey the exceptions, but it's true, you don't need Piazza or Yogi Berra @ catcher to win a WS in this era.

RE: RE: hey, you don't have to convince me  
spike : 12/11/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14215046 DanMetroMan said:
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But winners get copied. The Sawx are making it cool to be a contender with absolute garbage behind the plate.



Well that's my point basically. Why not copy what the winners do? Realmuto isn't some massive need. The best teams aren't going bonkers for him. The Brody is.
I thought a lot of what motivated the Tigers to be so aggressive  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/11/2018 4:24 pm : link
was that their owner was very, very old and they were trying to win one while he was still alive.

I guess the tactic stuck with Dombrowski.
that's just how Dombrowski operates  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2018 4:30 pm : link
He did the same thing in Florida in the '90s, too. Only that time, the owner forced him to sell off everyone after winning a title.
Dombrowski's first 2 moves were signing Price and trading for Kimbrel  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2018 4:33 pm : link
which involved margot when he was in AA. My point was that in boston he didn't trade any of his blue chip young position players and he was able to sign 9 digit free agent contracts. BVW seems to be very willing to discuss the former and hasn't even taken meetings with the free agents who would fit the latter.
I can swallow a Rosario swap...  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 4:38 pm : link
Sign Iglesias as a stopgap until Gimenez arrives. Also then extend Realmuto.

Im out on trading Thor 100%.
still just doesn't make any sense  
bigbluehoya : 12/11/2018 4:41 pm : link
relative to simply signing a free agent catcher, or getting Cervelli for a fraction of the price.

Rosario's upside is still really big.
Phils in on Realmuto  
JPinstripes : 12/11/2018 4:43 pm : link
Jon Morosi
‏Verified account @jonmorosi
3m3 minutes ago

#Phillies are involved in J.T. Realmuto trade talks, source confirms @JonHeyman report. @MLB @MLBNetwork
RE: still just doesn't make any sense  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14215079 bigbluehoya said:
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relative to simply signing a free agent catcher, or getting Cervelli for a fraction of the price.

Rosario's upside is still really big.


It would certainly sting but Realmuto is the best catcher available and hes also the youngest. Grandal could also cost as much as 20 AAV (and the 2nd pick and pool money) and he also has some warts (better from the left side, streaky, passed balls, etc.). If Mets spend that saved money on more players (similar to the Cano deal) I can probably get on board.
RE: I can swallow a Rosario swap...  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2018 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14215075 ZGiants98 said:
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Sign Iglesias as a stopgap until Gimenez arrives. Also then extend Realmuto.

Im out on trading Thor 100%.


If they trade Rosario, totally agree on Iglesias. I'm constantly surprised he isn't a more in demand player. But I would not trade Rosario.

I've come around that my top catcher option is Cervelli. 1 year deal, reasonable salary, can do a little bit of everything, shouldn't cost too much. IMO Cervelli + Rosario > Realmuto + Iglesias both on the field and on the payroll.
Cervelli would be ok for a year  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 4:46 pm : link
But hes not a guy you really want to grow with the rest of the lineup/pitchers/team like Realmuto would be. Hes old.

Lots of options. As long as the Mets dont trade Thor, Nimmo, etc. for him I can probably see the benefit.
There  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:49 pm : link
is almost no change Iglesias signs a budget friendly 1 year deal. He likely gets 3 years. He's 29 in January, he's not a "fill in for a year" type at this stage. 2.5 fWAR in 2018. Steamer has him above average in 2019 again over a full-season.
Phillies could be driving up the price...  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 4:50 pm : link
They already did it in the Diaz/Cano deal.
RE: Phils in on Realmuto  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14215082 JPinstripes said:
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Jon Morosi
‏Verified account @jonmorosi
3m3 minutes ago

#Phillies are involved in J.T. Realmuto trade talks, source confirms @JonHeyman report. @MLB @MLBNetwork


Alfaro presumably would be part of this.
Theres other stopgaps...  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 4:52 pm : link
Hechavarria comes to mind...
RE: Theres other stopgaps...  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14215100 ZGiants98 said:
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Hechavarria comes to mind...


He's.. REALLY bad. 3.9 fWAR career, 2.6 coming in 2015 which means his ENTIRE career outside of a fluke 2015 681 games... 1.3 fWAR.
2016-2018  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 4:57 pm : link
He's 33/38 qualified SS's in fWAR, 37th in wRC+. You want a black hole? He's your guy. He's awful.
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capone : 12/11/2018 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14214964 KevinBBWC said:
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Joel Sherman

A #Marlins official described #Mets as extremely aggressive on Realmuto


Andy Martino


Mets are reluctant to move Rosario but I dont think as reluctant as they say publicly. Boy oh boy do they want Realmuto


Joel Sherman is a HOF bullshit distributor... the marlins feed him this , he knows it may be complete bullshit but they owe him one ..
As a 4 month stopgap for dirt cheap?  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 5:06 pm : link
Yeah.. why not? He had a 83 wRC+ as recently as 2017. Its not like Rosarios 2018 is some huge bar to clear. Heck, I could probably live with Guillorme temporarily in the 8th spot. Love Rosarios upside but I could see the logic there. All Im saying.
Puma now saying  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 5:25 pm : link
Marlins asking for Rosario and Nimmo. Lol. What a fucking joke.
I know capone is just speculating but i think he's 100% right  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2018 5:29 pm : link
the marlins know they have to deal him now. Start a faux NY bidding war in the press and hope 1 of the 15 teams interested eventually puts 1 of their young controllable players on the table (Rosario, Andujar, Nimmo, etc).

I'd tell them to go scratch and just trade for Cervelli. Or sign Grandal. Realmuto is not good enough to be worth the holding up whatever the backup plans are.
RE: I know capone is just speculating but i think he's 100% right  
JayBinQueens : 12/11/2018 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14215130 Eric on Li said:
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the marlins know they have to deal him now. Start a faux NY bidding war in the press and hope 1 of the 15 teams interested eventually puts 1 of their young controllable players on the table (Rosario, Andujar, Nimmo, etc).

I'd tell them to go scratch and just trade for Cervelli. Or sign Grandal. Realmuto is not good enough to be worth the holding up whatever the backup plans are.

The back up plan would be actually talking to free agents....
supposedly they've talked to Ramos and Grandal  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2018 5:34 pm : link
but I'd do more than that - just pull the trigger on plan B and move on. If Realmuto's cost is more than a 2nd round comp pick (it is) it's not worth it. Over the next 4 years he will likely make more money than Grandal. As great as his 2 year contract looks right now, years 3+ are going to be very expensive. And if you trade a lot for him you don't let him walk after 2 years.
Not sure how credible  
ajr2456 : 12/11/2018 5:40 pm : link
Seems the #Mets are getting the ultimatum from the #Marlins- send Thor to the #Yankees or well send Realmuto to one of your other rivals. Not MIAs job to do NYM any favors here.
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arcarsenal : 12/11/2018 5:44 pm : link
Who is Solomon Syed? Has he had any credible info in the past?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 12/11/2018 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14215145 arcarsenal said:
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Who is Solomon Syed? Has he had any credible info in the past?


Bio says he's an anchor for spectrum news sports in upstate NY.

Probably just making an opinion from reading other people's tweets.
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