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ajr2456 : 12/10/2018 11:19 pm
Per The Post:

Realmuto to Mets
Thor to Yanks
Three way deal - ( New Window )
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Shecky : 12/11/2018 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14215145 arcarsenal said:
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Who is Solomon Syed? Has he had any credible info in the past?

Hint. Hes being fed, but not by an NL team lol
This deal  
JPinstripes : 12/11/2018 5:56 pm : link
just won't go away... Smoke and Fire.
If the Phillies swoop in  
JohnF : 12/11/2018 6:26 pm : link
and get Realmuto, couldn't the Yankees and Mets still trade (and not involve Miami).

Mets: Trade Thor to the Yankees.
Yankees: Trade Frasier, Andujar and...Gary Sanchez!

Sanchez is a power right hand hitter with legit power, younger than Realmuto, former all star, and unlimited potential.

Yes, Cashman has said he's off limits, but who knows? The Yankees can replace his production with Harper or Machado, and get by with light hitting defensive catchers. Won't happen, but it would be interesting to see Gary in the middle of the Met's lineup, eh?
Sounding like there's some momentum towards Grandal  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2018 6:26 pm : link
good news if true. I'd probably still prefer Cervelli since he's a little less $ but Grandal is a very good player. Would be a very very solid FA pickup and worth the 2nd round pick.
Could Sanchez be a hidden ingredient in all of this?  
Milton : 12/11/2018 6:34 pm : link
I wonder if what's driving this is the Marlins desire for Sanchez, the Mets desire for Realmuto, and the Yankees desire for a top-of-rotation starter (Syndergaard). The Yankees would have to add more pieces and the Mets would receive more pieces, but the headliners would be Realmuto, Thor, and Sanchez.

Of course that leaves the Yankees without a catcher, but that would be the next step, find themselves the best defensive catcher on the market and bat him 9th in the order.
RE: If the Phillies swoop in  
ajr2456 : 12/11/2018 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14215178 JohnF said:
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and get Realmuto, couldn't the Yankees and Mets still trade (and not involve Miami).

Mets: Trade Thor to the Yankees.
Yankees: Trade Frasier, Andujar and...Gary Sanchez!

Sanchez is a power right hand hitter with legit power, younger than Realmuto, former all star, and unlimited potential.

Yes, Cashman has said he's off limits, but who knows? The Yankees can replace his production with Harper or Machado, and get by with light hitting defensive catchers. Won't happen, but it would be interesting to see Gary in the middle of the Met's lineup, eh?


Sanchez, Andujar and Frazier? Lol no thanks. Two ML hitters?
The Reds are interested in Braves CF Ender Inciarte  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2018 6:51 pm : link
They arent shopping him but I would be very interested if they were willing to trade Senzel in the deal.
Wouldnt be surprised  
bigbluehoya : 12/11/2018 6:52 pm : link
If NYY are pushing a lot of the rumors here to apply some leverage to Cleveland.
RE: Wouldnt be surprised  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2018 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14215207 bigbluehoya said:
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If NYY are pushing a lot of the rumors here to apply some leverage to Cleveland.


Jeez I hope so
RE: If the Phillies swoop in  
MetsAreBack : 12/11/2018 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14215178 JohnF said:
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and get Realmuto, couldn't the Yankees and Mets still trade (and not involve Miami).

Mets: Trade Thor to the Yankees.
Yankees: Trade Frasier, Andujar and...Gary Sanchez!



As a Mets fan I would like that deal... but probably a hair too much from the Yankees side. Would think Sanchez + Andujar would suffice. Maybe a lesser prospect than Frasier.
RE: RE: Wouldnt be surprised  
Matt in SGS : 12/11/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14215218 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14215207 bigbluehoya said:


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If NYY are pushing a lot of the rumors here to apply some leverage to Cleveland.



Jeez I hope so


That makes more sense than the Marlins strong arming the Mets to trade Thor to the Yankees. That doesn't make any God damn sense.
RE: RE: If the Phillies swoop in  
Mike from SI : 12/11/2018 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14215222 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14215178 JohnF said:


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and get Realmuto, couldn't the Yankees and Mets still trade (and not involve Miami).

Mets: Trade Thor to the Yankees.
Yankees: Trade Frasier, Andujar and...Gary Sanchez!





As a Mets fan I would like that deal... but probably a hair too much from the Yankees side. Would think Sanchez + Andujar would suffice. Maybe a lesser prospect than Frasier.


Sanchez and Andujar are both young, cost-controlled All-Star caliber hitters. That would be an overpay for NYY. (Although both are less valuable in the NL.)
Im sick of this potential deal already.  
PhiPsi125 : 12/11/2018 7:16 pm : link
Forget JT, forget the Marlins and forget Jeter. Tell them to go scratch. I just get the feeling that teams believe they can bully around the Mets. Dont deal Thor or Rosario. Have some faith in your young promising players.

Stop messing around and just sign Grandal. I feel like Brodie likes the big splash and feels he needs to prove himself. This is going to backfire big time if it comes to fruition.
I think people are criminally under rating  
bhill410 : 12/11/2018 7:25 pm : link
Thor. Not saying they wont because its the Mets, but why on earth do you pull off the cano trade and then to turn around and weaken your rotation. He is a top five pitcher period, they dont grow on trees and you dont trade them for 3rdbasemen who cant field and have inflated power numbers from playing in Yankees stadium.
RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
BigBlueShock : 12/11/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14215243 bhill410 said:
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Thor. Not saying they wont because its the Mets, but why on earth do you pull off the cano trade and then to turn around and weaken your rotation. He is a top five pitcher period, they dont grow on trees and you dont trade them for 3rdbasemen who cant field and have inflated power numbers from playing in Yankees stadium.

Can we please stop calling him Thor? These childish nicknames should be an embarrassment for Mets fans. Whats next? Dark Night? Oh wait...
RE: Im sick of this potential deal already.  
Keith : 12/11/2018 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14215234 PhiPsi125 said:
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Forget JT, forget the Marlins and forget Jeter. Tell them to go scratch. I just get the feeling that teams believe they can bully around the Mets. Dont deal Thor or Rosario. Have some faith in your young promising players.

Stop messing around and just sign Grandal. I feel like Brodie likes the big splash and feels he needs to prove himself. This is going to backfire big time if it comes to fruition.


I dont know if teams are bullying the Mets, I think its more about playing off the Mets desperation to make moves. The Mets are the aggressor, they be dumb not to play off that.
RE: RE: Im sick of this potential deal already.  
PhiPsi125 : 12/11/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14215251 Keith said:
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In comment 14215234 PhiPsi125 said:


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Forget JT, forget the Marlins and forget Jeter. Tell them to go scratch. I just get the feeling that teams believe they can bully around the Mets. Dont deal Thor or Rosario. Have some faith in your young promising players.

Stop messing around and just sign Grandal. I feel like Brodie likes the big splash and feels he needs to prove himself. This is going to backfire big time if it comes to fruition.



I dont know if teams are bullying the Mets, I think its more about playing off the Mets desperation to make moves. The Mets are the aggressor, they be dumb not to play off that.


No disagreement here.
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Bill2 : 12/11/2018 7:41 pm : link
right handed hitter
Honestly, Thor is just easier  
PhiPsi125 : 12/11/2018 7:43 pm : link
to spell than Synderjdhdjsizard.
Mets don't have enough talent organization-wide to improve with trades  
Vanzetti : 12/11/2018 7:45 pm : link
Realmuto makes the batting order better and improves the defense, but giving up Thor makes the starting pitching much weaker, and starting pitching generally wins championships

Mets need to make a big signing if they really want to improve. So far BVW has just sold off minor league talent to get major league talent but he has not improved the total amount of talent in the organization. In fact, one could argue he has reduced it.

They need to add a Ramos/Cervelli and another top-shelf reliever.
RE: RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/11/2018 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14215248 BigBlueShock said:
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Can we please stop calling him Thor? These childish nicknames should be an embarrassment for Mets fans. Whats next? Dark Night? Oh wait...


It's not that serious. The Yankees aren't above nicknames either.
RE: Honestly, Thor is just easier  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2018 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14215258 PhiPsi125 said:
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to spell than Synderjdhdjsizard.

I was just about to post the same thing.
RE: Im sick of this potential deal already.  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/11/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14215234 PhiPsi125 said:
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Forget JT, forget the Marlins and forget Jeter. Tell them to go scratch. I just get the feeling that teams believe they can bully around the Mets. Dont deal Thor or Rosario. Have some faith in your young promising players.

Stop messing around and just sign Grandal. I feel like Brodie likes the big splash and feels he needs to prove himself. This is going to backfire big time if it comes to fruition.


I agree with this. I hope BVW doesn't feel some need to justify his job with "creativity". I also hope he's not so hamstrung by payroll that he has no choice.

Sign Pollack, 2 of Miller/Britton/Robertson/Ottavino, and Grandal. Let's go.
Marlins  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 8:50 pm : link
are asking for Rosario AND a second major piece. PASS PASS PASS.
RE: RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14215248 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14215243 bhill410 said:


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Thor. Not saying they wont because its the Mets, but why on earth do you pull off the cano trade and then to turn around and weaken your rotation. He is a top five pitcher period, they dont grow on trees and you dont trade them for 3rdbasemen who cant field and have inflated power numbers from playing in Yankees stadium.


Can we please stop calling him Thor? These childish nicknames should be an embarrassment for Mets fans. Whats next? Dark Night? Oh wait...



Godzilla, Babe, Scooter, Gator/Lousiana Lightning, Sweet Lou, El Duque... YOGI, Donnie Baseball, Mr. October... you sure?
I wouldn't trade Rosario straight up for him  
KevinBBWC : 12/11/2018 8:59 pm : link
let alone add another piece.
RE: RE: RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2018 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14215321 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14215248 BigBlueShock said:


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In comment 14215243 bhill410 said:


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Thor. Not saying they wont because its the Mets, but why on earth do you pull off the cano trade and then to turn around and weaken your rotation. He is a top five pitcher period, they dont grow on trees and you dont trade them for 3rdbasemen who cant field and have inflated power numbers from playing in Yankees stadium.


Can we please stop calling him Thor? These childish nicknames should be an embarrassment for Mets fans. Whats next? Dark Night? Oh wait...




Godzilla, Babe, Scooter, Gator/Lousiana Lightning, Sweet Lou, El Duque... YOGI, Donnie Baseball, Mr. October... you sure?


Don't forget Goose, Moose, Rocket, Mo, The Mick, Arod, etc, etc. but typing Thor instead of Syndergaard some guy has a hair across his ass about.

LOL.
RE: Honestly, Thor is just easier  
steve in ky : 12/11/2018 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14215258 PhiPsi125 said:
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to spell than Synderjdhdjsizard.


Not easier than Noah
I dislike a Thor deal  
spike : 12/11/2018 9:05 pm : link
this is all bS. Same goes for Rosario.
Rosario and Nimmo  
Sammo85 : 12/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
for Realmuto is not a good trade at all. You open up a SS hole and weaken your middle of the field defense. Nimmo also has genuine value even if he might only be a 3rd-4th OF.

Rosarios offensive upside is to be determined but hes showing signs theres more to come for sure.
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ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 9:51 pm : link
el Sherman

@Joelsherman1
Key internal question #Mets are mulling: will top SS prospect Andres Giminez be ready for MLB later this season or 2020 making it more palatable to use Rosario to try to land Realmuto, plug short term with a Galvis/Iglesias defender. #Marlins

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Just sign Grandal. Spend the money  
Rflairr : 12/11/2018 10:15 pm : link
He doesn't cost you prospects or good young players like Rosario.

Realmuto another situation where BVW may be letting his relationship with a former client cloud his judgement
RE: Just sign Grandal. Spend the money  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14215380 Rflairr said:
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He doesn't cost you prospects or good young players like Rosario.

Realmuto another situation where BVW may be letting his relationship with a former client cloud his judgement


Well you do give up the second pick and pool money. If you believe Shecky (I do) this Realmuto hard on is coming from Jeff and he's wanted him for more than a year now. If I had to guess, BVW is exhausting every scenario to make his new boss happy.
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DanMetroMan : 12/11/2018 10:38 pm : link
If the Mets strike out on Pollock, the Padres make for a strong trade partner in terms of CF options to pair with Lagares. Jankowski and Cordero in particular make sense #Mets
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pjcas18 : 12/11/2018 10:42 pm : link

SNY
‏Verified account @SNYtv
4m4 minutes ago

"We know how much Brodie likes Realmuto, but we're starting to hear that he likes Grandal quite a bit as well" - @martinonyc
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ZGiants98 : 12/11/2018 11:07 pm : link
YPost_Mets
Van Wagenen was asked if the Mets could address catcher, reliever and outfielder - without a trade - all through free agency, if needed: "Free agents have a variety of price points," he said. "So if we were to add all through free agency, we have the ability to do that."
RE: RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
Rob in Rockaway : 12/11/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14215248 BigBlueShock said:
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Thor. Not saying they wont because its the Mets, but why on earth do you pull off the cano trade and then to turn around and weaken your rotation. He is a top five pitcher period, they dont grow on trees and you dont trade them for 3rdbasemen who cant field and have inflated power numbers from playing in Yankees stadium.


Can we please stop calling him Thor? These childish nicknames should be an embarrassment for Mets fans. Whats next? Dark Night? Oh wait...


Fool
RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
M.S. : 12/12/2018 7:13 am : link
In comment 14215243 bhill410 said:
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Thor. Not saying they wont because its the Mets, but why on earth do you pull off the cano trade and then to turn around and weaken your rotation. He is a top five pitcher period, they dont grow on trees and you dont trade them for 3rdbasemen who cant field and have inflated power numbers from playing in Yankees stadium.


OK, he had 15 errors and a .948 fielding percentage. But Andujar is very athletic and will improve.

But more to the point. You don't have that quite right about Andujar's bat. He is a line drive hitter with tremendous gap power. Last season, he had 47 doubles -- tied for third highest in the major leagues. And several of his 27 tatters were line drives as well.

My overwhelming preference is for the Mets to keep hold of Noah Syndergaard and for the Yanks to keep Andujar. But if the Mets somehow end up with Miguel Andujar, he will be their best hitter, Yankee Stadium or no Yankee Stadium.
RE: RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2018 7:21 am : link
In comment 14215466 M.S. said:
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In comment 14215243 bhill410 said:


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Thor. Not saying they wont because its the Mets, but why on earth do you pull off the cano trade and then to turn around and weaken your rotation. He is a top five pitcher period, they dont grow on trees and you dont trade them for 3rdbasemen who cant field and have inflated power numbers from playing in Yankees stadium.



OK, he had 15 errors and a .948 fielding percentage. But Andujar is very athletic and will improve.

But more to the point. You don't have that quite right about Andujar's bat. He is a line drive hitter with tremendous gap power. Last season, he had 47 doubles -- tied for third highest in the major leagues. And several of his 27 tatters were line drives as well.

My overwhelming preference is for the Mets to keep hold of Noah Syndergaard and for the Yanks to keep Andujar. But if the Mets somehow end up with Miguel Andujar, he will be their best hitter, Yankee Stadium or no Yankee Stadium.


Until he falls off a cliff (which can happen at any time). Robinson Cano is a better hitter than Miguel Andujar and it's not particularly close. Even in 2018 Cano out hit Andujar. 136 wRC+ for Cano, Andujar 128. Steamer projects Andujar for 114 in 2019 and Cano 118. Again, Cano can fall off tomorrow but until he does he'd be the best hitter on the Mets if they added Andujar
Cano  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2018 7:26 am : link
last 3 seasons 128 wRC+. 27 players in baseball have been better by wRC+. That's not a knock on Andujar at all but unless/until he has a big 2019 he's not a "better" hitter than a borderline HOF who is still hitting to the tune of a top 30 player.
Dodgers  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2018 7:27 am : link
in on "everyone" and the favorites for Harper

-King claims the Phillies are moving close to a deal with Happ

-Yankees met with Ottavino. I wanted the Mets to sign him. High risk, high reward.
RE: RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
section125 : 12/12/2018 7:30 am : link
In comment 14215466 M.S. said:
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But more to the point. You don't have that quite right about Andujar's bat. He is a line drive hitter with tremendous gap power. Last season, he had 47 doubles -- tied for third highest in the major leagues. And several of his 27 tatters were line drives as well.

My overwhelming preference is for the Mets to keep hold of Noah Syndergaard and for the Yanks to keep Andujar. But if the Mets somehow end up with Miguel Andujar, he will be their best hitter, Yankee Stadium or no Yankee Stadium.


This is a great point. He wasn't called Miggy Mantle for nothing. Andujar is the real deal in the batter's box. He makes lots of contact (16% k rate) and it is almost always solid contact. Many of those doubles were off the wall. Yes, he swings at too many balls (so did Yogi amd Vlad) so he can improve there and be more selective. If he cuts back at swinging at bad balls, he will be a .300 hitter with 30 hr capability. Last year he had 606 plate appearances, so the league had enough time to find his weak spots and adjust.
But just as real is his throwing, not so much fielding. He catches the ball, but has bad footwork and takes too much time to throw.
RE: RE: RE: I think people are criminally under rating  
M.S. : 12/12/2018 7:30 am : link
In comment 14215471 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14215243 bhill410 said:


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Thor. Not saying they wont because its the Mets, but why on earth do you pull off the cano trade and then to turn around and weaken your rotation. He is a top five pitcher period, they dont grow on trees and you dont trade them for 3rdbasemen who cant field and have inflated power numbers from playing in Yankees stadium.



OK, he had 15 errors and a .948 fielding percentage. But Andujar is very athletic and will improve.

But more to the point. You don't have that quite right about Andujar's bat. He is a line drive hitter with tremendous gap power. Last season, he had 47 doubles -- tied for third highest in the major leagues. And several of his 27 tatters were line drives as well.

My overwhelming preference is for the Mets to keep hold of Noah Syndergaard and for the Yanks to keep Andujar. But if the Mets somehow end up with Miguel Andujar, he will be their best hitter, Yankee Stadium or no Yankee Stadium.



Until he falls off a cliff (which can happen at any time). Robinson Cano is a better hitter than Miguel Andujar and it's not particularly close. Even in 2018 Cano out hit Andujar. 136 wRC+ for Cano, Andujar 128. Steamer projects Andujar for 114 in 2019 and Cano 118. Again, Cano can fall off tomorrow but until he does he'd be the best hitter on the Mets if they added Andujar


Definitely you can argue that Cano is still the better hitter, but that of course was hardly the main point of my response to bhill410. That is, Andujar is a significant gap hitter.
MS  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2018 7:35 am : link
I was merely commenting on his final point, wasn't crapping on Andujar. One is 36 so he could fall off in 2019 and the other could break out further but until that happens Cano is the better hitter. Steamer projects Cano to be better in 2019 too, again I didn't even want the Mets to trade for him but the guy still hits at a very high level.
RE: MS  
section125 : 12/12/2018 7:44 am : link
In comment 14215482 DanMetroMan said:
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I was merely commenting on his final point, wasn't crapping on Andujar. One is 36 so he could fall off in 2019 and the other could break out further but until that happens Cano is the better hitter. Steamer projects Cano to be better in 2019 too, again I didn't even want the Mets to trade for him but the guy still hits at a very high level.


What it really means is that Cano has a steady, sterling track record over many seasons and the other is coming off his rookie season. I agree, as of right now, Cano is the better hitter. Until Andujar completes next season like the last one, Cano will be the better hitter(or Robbie crashes). Cano is an All Star quality player, still. But Andujar is 23, and never had a true slump of any sort last season. Teams may find his weak spot, but after 600 PAs last season, they didn't.
I think Andujar is the real deal at the plate.
Olney  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2018 7:46 am : link
said one team exec has "heard" Machado will meet with 4 teams in the next few days.
"Huge"  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2018 7:49 am : link
interest in Leclerc around the league. Monster 2018 for Texas. Steamer doesn't love him to repeat but clearly teams think it's possible.
If the Phillies miss out on  
dep026 : 12/12/2018 9:02 am : link
harper and Machado. And settle for McCutchen and Happ - I will have a sad face.
The  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2018 9:17 am : link
"feeling" is that Machado will be a Yankee and Harper a Dodger.
RE: The  
Matt in SGS : 12/12/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 14215581 DanMetroMan said:
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"feeling" is that Machado will be a Yankee and Harper a Dodger.


I wonder if the Yankees are pretty much frozen in what they want to do until Machado's decision. If/when they agree to Machado, then a whole number of things happen around Andujar to be traded and frees everything up. Cashman and pretty much said he's not in on Harper, and he rarely "lies" directly like that in the press.

I think the reason so much is quiet is that Machado and Harper are the dominoes that everything else will fall once they move.
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