"feeling" is that Machado will be a Yankee and Harper a Dodger.
I wonder if the Yankees are pretty much frozen in what they want to do until Machado's decision. If/when they agree to Machado, then a whole number of things happen around Andujar to be traded and frees everything up. Cashman and pretty much said he's not in on Harper, and he rarely "lies" directly like that in the press.
I think the reason so much is quiet is that Machado and Harper are the dominoes that everything else will fall once they move.
According to John Heyman, those 2 arent signing until January. The reason being neither wants to sign first only to have the other get more $$. Its a stare down to see who blinks first.
"feeling" is that Machado will be a Yankee and Harper a Dodger.
I wonder if the Yankees are pretty much frozen in what they want to do until Machado's decision. If/when they agree to Machado, then a whole number of things happen around Andujar to be traded and frees everything up. Cashman and pretty much said he's not in on Harper, and he rarely "lies" directly like that in the press.
I think the reason so much is quiet is that Machado and Harper are the dominoes that everything else will fall once they move.
According to John Heyman, those 2 arent signing until January. The reason being neither wants to sign first only to have the other get more $$. Its a stare down to see who blinks first.
suspect the Yankees sign him but Ottavino is a very intriguing addition. He and Robertson are my top 2 wants in the pen for the Mets.
I think he's a stud and whoever signs him is going to get a lights out reliever. Mets are supposedly interested in him too. Hopefully Brodie has enough time to focus on some realistic upgrades rather than just blockbuster headline trades.
suspect the Yankees sign him but Ottavino is a very intriguing addition. He and Robertson are my top 2 wants in the pen for the Mets.
I think he's a stud and whoever signs him is going to get a lights out reliever. Mets are supposedly interested in him too. Hopefully Brodie has enough time to focus on some realistic upgrades rather than just blockbuster headline trades.
There is a false narrative floating around that he has only had one season of success. Yes, 2018 was clearly his best season, however from 2013-2016 Ottavino over 170 games had a 2.84 era, had a poor 2017, reinvented himself with high speed cameras (really interesting stuff) and had a monster year. Even if he's a mix between 2018 and the pitcher he was 2013-2016 that's a big time RP in front of Diaz.
with Ottavino. He was really hyped preseason that year and things didn't work out. Like you're saying, if you look at his entire body of work, and his most recent season, he looks like a good be to be lights out.
I'd prefer him to Miller. Miller also has the track record, but will be 34 next season and is coming off a year where he showed some real decline. Give me the younger guy who pitched at Coors if the costs are equal.
with Ottavino. He was really hyped preseason that year and things didn't work out. Like you're saying, if you look at his entire body of work, and his most recent season, he looks like a good be to be lights out.
I'd prefer him to Miller. Miller also has the track record, but will be 34 next season and is coming off a year where he showed some real decline. Give me the younger guy who pitched at Coors if the costs are equal.
I too would take Ottavino over Miller. I actually have Miller 3rd. I still like Robertson a lot.
They held tight to a 5 year offer on Corbin, not wanting a 6th year when he'll be 34. But they're ok with a third year on Happ when he'll be 38? He's a good pitcher though so I don't hate it. Just seems odd. Hopefully this doesn't mean they're out of the trade market for a SP though. Andujar for pitching and sign Machado makes too much sense.
They held tight to a 5 year offer on Corbin, not wanting a 6th year when he'll be 34. But they're ok with a third year on Happ when he'll be 38? He's a good pitcher though so I don't hate it. Just seems odd. Hopefully this doesn't mean they're out of the trade market for a SP though. Andujar for pitching and sign Machado makes too much sense.
They probably aren't paying Haap nearly as much as they would have paid Corbin.
it's lower risk. We know Happ will at least be solid for a season or two given his track record in the AL East. If his third year is rough, it's better than finding out early on that Corbin can't hack it and there's still five seasons left. But I don't think that would have happened. Cashman said the other day Corbin was the best available. Let's go get the best players, we're the damn Yankees.
Spent 90 million last off-season on older and not very good players. I know its early but why do they seem so relcuctant to spend this offseason on a better crop of FAs?
And just once I want a Mets beat writer to press Jeff Wilpon on his low budget.
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heres the thing: the actual strong defender here is Grandal but based on who is calling shots I am pretty sure theyre going to think its Maldonado, who was that but probably isnt anymore, but still has the 8 arm that the old baseball man crew thinks is the key to catching
than what we have in-house (Steamer projects both Plawecki and D'arnaud to be better in 2019).
Why would the even Mets consider signing him? He seems like the type that would start in AAA and then get called up if you had multiple injuries. Would be pretty awful to start the season with him as our opening day Catcher.
Met question re: Realmuto - what would your top offer be?
We've spent a lot of time lamenting the insane rumors, but obviously everyone else in baseball has too or else Miami would have traded him already. It's also kind of forced everyone to bypass the fact that Realmuto would be a good addition. If it were this easy it would probably be done already, but my top offer would be around Alonso.
Miami has nothing at 1B, want MLB ready, and I can't imagine there are too many guys on the top 100 lists more likely to have an impact next year than him. I'm sure they'd need another big piece and I'd probably be willing to include Mauricio too since he's so far away and such a crapshoot right now. I doubt they care much about Plawecki or Lugo but both are cheap and easy pieces to add - and from a war standpoint both are close to above replacement level.
The minor league system would obviously be gutted, but in doing so they've added 1 of the best catchers in baseball at a below market price the next 2 years. At 1B they can give Dom 1 more shot in tandem with Frazier. It's also opens up a move for Cano sooner if necessary.
With Realmuto they would no longer need to spend big money on a CF, they could just add a depth CF. Gives them enough money remaining for 2 big pieces in the BP. They also keep their 2nd round pick in this scenario which will hopefully allow them to also add another Vientos/Alonso/SWR type prospect in the draft. And down the line they can QO Realmuto and at least recoup a high pick if he bolts in 2 years.
pounce now on Grandal. Other than the age difference there is very, very little that separates him and Realmuto and Grandal is the superior defender. He's the guy. Brodie and Jeff want to show it's a new era. Ante up, sign the best option.
in a worst case scenario for Grandal... lets say Russell Martin-esque. The Jays gave Martin 5 for 82 (16.4 per) , through 4 he's been worth 64 million.... 16 million. Lets assume Martin this year is not worth his salary, or near it... the Jays still had 4 years at "market value" overall. Who wouldn't sign for that? Martin is also turning 36 so odds are Grandal ages a bit more gracefully.
and Ottavino or Robertson, I'd still want them to spend more, but would feel good overall about the offseason and optimistic about 2019. Wouldn't hate on them for being cheap with the OF.
and Ottavino or Robertson, I'd still want them to spend more, but would feel good overall about the offseason and optimistic about 2019. Wouldn't hate on them for being cheap with the OF.
Agreed. If they make 3 additions like that in addition to what they've done it's a good offseason. That team would have a legitimate shot at 90 wins.
No concern that he was so awful in the playoffs that the Dodgers benched him, have zero interest in retaining him and that he's a 100 hitter in about 80 post season ABs? I don't watch the Dodgers often enough to have an opinion just seems like a some red flags. I like Cervelli for the Mets I think he's underrated but his health is always an issue. What are your thoughts on Ramos? The Mets met with him this week.
that Mets would be willing to do Nimmo/Rosario/Peterson for Realmuto but Marlins want Conforto instead of Nimmo.
I wouldn't do the Mets offer much less the Marlins offer. Massive overpay for 2 years. Don't do it.
Wow talk about getting skull fucked if that's what they are willing to give up. You can see why all these teams want to trade with the Mets cause they know they can take advantage.
BVW looking like a horrible hire so far. Only thing that looks good is the front office signings.
No concern that he was so awful in the playoffs that the Dodgers benched him, have zero interest in retaining him and that he's a 100 hitter in about 80 post season ABs? I don't watch the Dodgers often enough to have an opinion just seems like a some red flags. I like Cervelli for the Mets I think he's underrated but his health is always an issue. What are your thoughts on Ramos? The Mets met with him this week.
None. You're looking at 92 ab's in the playoffs career. What's the logical argument? He forgot how to play? One swing where he hits a big HR and nobody remembers what he did previously. The Dodgers offered him the QO so pretty clearly they were okay with him accepting and coming back at nearly 18 million.
a single sane Mets fan would sign for an off-season where they unload Kelenic, Nimmo, Rosario, Peterson and Dunn and have 36 year old Cano, a VERY good closer and 2 years of JT Realmuto to show for it. That would leave them having to fill SS, add at least 1 OF and their minor league system bare bones. I'd be sick, I'd legit be done with the Mets with the Wilpons as owners. I wouldn't switch to another team just follow the sports vs. caring about the Mets. People would be laughing at the Mets with such a trade. The Cano deal was polarizing but made some sense. This would be absurd. Truly, it would make the Mets a laughingstock.
I wouldn't. Not with the available FA OF's. They met with Adam Jones. Do you realize how bad he's been? This team is going to roll with Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and a P at 3/9 spots + an unproven Alonso, Juan Lagares and Todd Frazier? That's a nice 80 win squad.
I wouldn't. Not with the available FA OF's. They met with Adam Jones. Do you realize how bad he's been? This team is going to roll with Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and a P at 3/9 spots + an unproven Alonso, Juan Lagares and Todd Frazier? That's a nice 80 win squad.
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#Marlins GM Mike Hill said slow process on Realmuto is because Mia has been trying to eliminate clubs, narrow field, but interest is so strong that it has been hard to do that.
Plus the factor that BVW seems to be willing to vastly overpay.
tells me we are hearing an absolute ton from the Marlins office trying to drum up interest in Realmuto. They realize they did a horrible job selling off pieces last year that they have gone overboard in trying to do so this year. That latest report sounds like a 1920's used car salesman; "we're trying to narrow down the list and focus on making a deal, but geez; everybody wants him so what could ya do?". The rumored packages are so far fetched anyone should be able to see right through which side the source is for all this mis-information.
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Realmuto, Adam Jones, and one of the shortstops being bandied about in place of Plawecki/TDA, Nimmo, and Rosario is a multiwin *2019* downgrade and completely fucked up for financials and future
tells me we are hearing an absolute ton from the Marlins office trying to drum up interest in Realmuto. They realize they did a horrible job selling off pieces last year that they have gone overboard in trying to do so this year. That latest report sounds like a 1920's used car salesman; "we're trying to narrow down the list and focus on making a deal, but geez; everybody wants him so what could ya do?". The rumored packages are so far fetched anyone should be able to see right through which side the source is for all this mis-information.
Thinking/hoping you are right on this. Rosario/Nimmo+ for realmuto would definitely give me real pause as a Mets fan. Definitely would bail out on my plan seats. I'd be really, really pissed.
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"feeling" is that Machado will be a Yankee and Harper a Dodger.
I wonder if the Yankees are pretty much frozen in what they want to do until Machado's decision. If/when they agree to Machado, then a whole number of things happen around Andujar to be traded and frees everything up. Cashman and pretty much said he's not in on Harper, and he rarely "lies" directly like that in the press.
I think the reason so much is quiet is that Machado and Harper are the dominoes that everything else will fall once they move.
According to John Heyman, those 2 arent signing until January. The reason being neither wants to sign first only to have the other get more $$. Its a stare down to see who blinks first.
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"feeling" is that Machado will be a Yankee and Harper a Dodger.
I wonder if the Yankees are pretty much frozen in what they want to do until Machado's decision. If/when they agree to Machado, then a whole number of things happen around Andujar to be traded and frees everything up. Cashman and pretty much said he's not in on Harper, and he rarely "lies" directly like that in the press.
I think the reason so much is quiet is that Machado and Harper are the dominoes that everything else will fall once they move.
According to John Heyman, those 2 arent signing until January. The reason being neither wants to sign first only to have the other get more $$. Its a stare down to see who blinks first.
so 1 of them will sign today?
I think he's a stud and whoever signs him is going to get a lights out reliever. Mets are supposedly interested in him too. Hopefully Brodie has enough time to focus on some realistic upgrades rather than just blockbuster headline trades.
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suspect the Yankees sign him but Ottavino is a very intriguing addition. He and Robertson are my top 2 wants in the pen for the Mets.
I think he's a stud and whoever signs him is going to get a lights out reliever. Mets are supposedly interested in him too. Hopefully Brodie has enough time to focus on some realistic upgrades rather than just blockbuster headline trades.
There is a false narrative floating around that he has only had one season of success. Yes, 2018 was clearly his best season, however from 2013-2016 Ottavino over 170 games had a 2.84 era, had a poor 2017, reinvented himself with high speed cameras (really interesting stuff) and had a monster year. Even if he's a mix between 2018 and the pitcher he was 2013-2016 that's a big time RP in front of Diaz.
I'd prefer him to Miller. Miller also has the track record, but will be 34 next season and is coming off a year where he showed some real decline. Give me the younger guy who pitched at Coors if the costs are equal.
I'd prefer him to Miller. Miller also has the track record, but will be 34 next season and is coming off a year where he showed some real decline. Give me the younger guy who pitched at Coors if the costs are equal.
I too would take Ottavino over Miller. I actually have Miller 3rd. I still like Robertson a lot.
just awful.
We were terrified of Corbin's age 35 season, but all good with Happ's 36-38 years? garbage.
Meh on the 3 years but they needed another pitcher.
They probably aren't paying Haap nearly as much as they would have paid Corbin.
No agreement that should say
And just once I want a Mets beat writer to press Jeff Wilpon on his low budget.
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heres the thing: the actual strong defender here is Grandal but based on who is calling shots I am pretty sure theyre going to think its Maldonado, who was that but probably isnt anymore, but still has the 8 arm that the old baseball man crew thinks is the key to catching
Why would the even Mets consider signing him? He seems like the type that would start in AAA and then get called up if you had multiple injuries. Would be pretty awful to start the season with him as our opening day Catcher.
Miami has nothing at 1B, want MLB ready, and I can't imagine there are too many guys on the top 100 lists more likely to have an impact next year than him. I'm sure they'd need another big piece and I'd probably be willing to include Mauricio too since he's so far away and such a crapshoot right now. I doubt they care much about Plawecki or Lugo but both are cheap and easy pieces to add - and from a war standpoint both are close to above replacement level.
The minor league system would obviously be gutted, but in doing so they've added 1 of the best catchers in baseball at a below market price the next 2 years. At 1B they can give Dom 1 more shot in tandem with Frazier. It's also opens up a move for Cano sooner if necessary.
With Realmuto they would no longer need to spend big money on a CF, they could just add a depth CF. Gives them enough money remaining for 2 big pieces in the BP. They also keep their 2nd round pick in this scenario which will hopefully allow them to also add another Vientos/Alonso/SWR type prospect in the draft. And down the line they can QO Realmuto and at least recoup a high pick if he bolts in 2 years.
Nimmo (RF)
McNeil (3B)
Realmuto (C)
Cano (2B)
Conforto (LF)
Frazier (1B)
Rosario (SS)
Lagares/whoever (CF)
Isn't that a curious line to draw while being willing to discuss McNeil, Nimmo, Conforto, Thor, and Rosario?
Agreed. If they make 3 additions like that in addition to what they've done it's a good offseason. That team would have a legitimate shot at 90 wins.
I wouldn't do the Mets offer much less the Marlins offer. Massive overpay for 2 years. Don't do it.
I wouldn't do the Mets offer much less the Marlins offer. Massive overpay for 2 years. Don't do it.
Wow talk about getting skull fucked if that's what they are willing to give up. You can see why all these teams want to trade with the Mets cause they know they can take advantage.
BVW looking like a horrible hire so far. Only thing that looks good is the front office signings.
None. You're looking at 92 ab's in the playoffs career. What's the logical argument? He forgot how to play? One swing where he hits a big HR and nobody remembers what he did previously. The Dodgers offered him the QO so pretty clearly they were okay with him accepting and coming back at nearly 18 million.
Ill be joining you and Im not even joking.
I wouldn't. Not with the available FA OF's. They met with Adam Jones. Do you realize how bad he's been? This team is going to roll with Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and a P at 3/9 spots + an unproven Alonso, Juan Lagares and Todd Frazier? That's a nice 80 win squad.
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If this happens, Mets will regret this trade for a long, long time.
And if you are a real fan of this team, you should question why Mets can't just sign Grandal, and KEEP Rosario/Nimmo/Peterson.
Note: there was only a 1.2 WAR difference between Realmuto and Grandal in '18!"
Brodie makes like he wants to be the big dog but just ends up looking like a little pup.
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but Nimmo/Peterson is something I'd accept.
I wouldn't. Not with the available FA OF's. They met with Adam Jones. Do you realize how bad he's been? This team is going to roll with Freddy Galvis, Adam Jones and a P at 3/9 spots + an unproven Alonso, Juan Lagares and Todd Frazier? That's a nice 80 win squad.
LOL Adam Jones. That would be awful.
#Marlins GM Mike Hill said slow process on Realmuto is because Mia has been trying to eliminate clubs, narrow field, but interest is so strong that it has been hard to do that.
Plus the factor that BVW seems to be willing to vastly overpay.
Carig says Sanchez was part of the Mets/Marlins/Yankee talks, Sanchez would have landed in Flushing.
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Realmuto, Adam Jones, and one of the shortstops being bandied about in place of Plawecki/TDA, Nimmo, and Rosario is a multiwin *2019* downgrade and completely fucked up for financials and future
Thinking/hoping you are right on this. Rosario/Nimmo+ for realmuto would definitely give me real pause as a Mets fan. Definitely would bail out on my plan seats. I'd be really, really pissed.
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My head might explode.