What would you give up for Carr?

He stinks.

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Would set the franchise back

How much...hmmm?

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this year they are the same 18tds 8 int. over 60 percent comp percentage. That said he is a lot younger than Eli so he has more value. They will want to much for him.

I dont think Carr stinks but I wouldnt give up the 1st + some, which is what it will take.

Frankly, I dont think there is a huge market for Carr in no small part because of what it will cost besides draft capital.

Maybe Jacksonville, Cincinnati, Washington and Denver. Cincinnati has the most cap space but is Carr a huge step up from Carr? Worth the draft capital it will take?

Also keep in mind that Foles and Flacco will be available as well. Neither of them any great shakes but they also wont cost high draft picks either.

Meant to say, "is Carr a huge step up from Dalton?"

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at this time both Dalton and Carr would be a step up just on age alone. Flacco no he is old and not as good. Foles is a backup and we are all set with that.

can't afford another high paying QB they screwed up on the Bortles signing.

would be a good fit and the Giants.

Sometimes.

which is a coach killer.

he’s not a player you give the keys to the car to. Hard pass, no interest in cutting Eli creating dead cap, then giving up picks and paying for Carr.

In comment 14214083 mdthedream said:

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at this time both Dalton and Carr would be a step up just on age alone. Flacco no he is old and not as good. Foles is a backup and we are all set with that.

I wasnt clear - I dont want any of those guys either. But other teams might and that will weaken the trade market for Carr.

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about what the salary cap hit might be.
Is he still in his first contract. If not then what would that take.

I wouldn't even consider Flacco. He's not much younger than Eli.

Is Foles someone Shurmur can work with. Is he available after the season?

In comment 14214114 superspynyg said:

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Probably but do you think he'd still be around when we draft?

Then we can talk.

Quarterback mentored by Eli.
But to the question. I s give up 2cnd

In comment 14214096 JonC said:

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which is a coach killer.

He's also played for some unimpressive coaches.

I think he'd be just fine in a stable system and good talent.

He's not the worst option for a 3rd round pick.

In comment 14214128 christian said:

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In comment 14214096 JonC said: Quote: which is a coach killer. He's also played for some unimpressive coaches. I think he'd be just fine in a stable system and good talent. He's not the worst option for a 3rd round pick.

Not being a wise guy. I don't think we have a 3rd. We used it in the supplemental draft.

but Raiders aren't trading him. In fact, he has sneaky played well these last 6-7 games

In comment 14214071 Jimmy Googs said:

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How much...hmmm?

Lol keep up the good work buddy...

Wouldn't really want to give up anything for him, but if the Giants were to make a trade, I'd hope it wasn't more than a 3rd and 4th from different drafts. Even that is too much. Would rather give Bridgewater a shot.

with Derek Carr? I recall Phil Simms liking him the best of the QBs coming out when drafted, or at least Simms said Carr was the best 'thrower'. Carr's arrow was pointing up in his first two years... what happened?

In 2021

and allow him to lead the Giants to the promised land. With an actual competent GM and the tutelage of Shurmur, Eli will harness the talent of our offensive weapons.

Wait for the Raiders to release Carr, and he can sign to be Eli's back-up like his brother did. Kyle can go to the PS. No one is going to steal his noodle arm.

In comment 14214148 ryanmkeane said:

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but Raiders aren't trading him. In fact, he has sneaky played well these last 6-7 games

Exactly, while the usual suspects poo-poo any thought of a life without Eli, Carr has been playing so well recently the Raiders may pass on drafting a QB.

He probably could be had for a mid rounder draft day but still wouldn’t pull the trigger on him

In comment 14214128 christian said:

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In comment 14214096 JonC said: Quote: which is a coach killer. He's also played for some unimpressive coaches. I think he'd be just fine in a stable system and good talent. He's not the worst option for a 3rd round pick.

He's not, but then you've got to pay him starting QB money at some point, and I'm just not feeling that with him.

He has a lot of the same issues as Eli, and although he's younger, he's also way more expensive. He also doesn't have the history of success Eli has, so what are you really getting with Carr?

Considering the price of QBs out here now, Eli might actually be good value.

I think the Raiders keep him.

He hasnt thrown an interception since week 5. He has absolutely no running game, a leaky O-line that is worse than ours at this point and he is throwing to household names like Seth Roberts, Marcell Ateman and a washed up 33 year old Jordy Nelson.

Frankly, it is a much worse situation than Eli has here and he has performed pretty well considering.

In comment 14214151 JCin332 said:

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In comment 14214071 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: How much...hmmm? Lol keep up the good work buddy...

3rd round but don’t think that gets it done so maybe 2nd rounder.

And what’s your problem Buddy?

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you people who wouldn't give carr a chance....are the same clowns that wanted to get rid of shurmur and gettleman after week 4

Carr signed a five-year, $125 million contract extension with the Raiders last June, a deal that paid the ex-Fresno State star $40 million over the first 12 months.

Don’t want him. I’m hopeful the next NYG QB is one of Tua, Fromm, or Trevor Lawrence. But to do so, I know the NYG would have to sell off tons of draft capital, including multiple 1’s.

it's the contract he comes with. Based on that, I wouldn't give up anything for him.

He isn't a bad QB, but he isn't a franchise QB either. Paying a non-franchise QB franchise money is the worst position you can be in because you have no flexibility.

Get the next QB through the draft. The only affordable veterans are affordable for a reason - they are backups.

Nothing.

In comment 14214267 Fred-in-Florida said:

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Carr signed a five-year, $125 million contract extension with the Raiders last June, a deal that paid the ex-Fresno State star $40 million over the first 12 months.

Wow. Good for him...

the contract isn't as horrific if you look closely at it, if you believe he can be your starter.

He's basically costing $22-23MM/yr. In other words, Eli money, except he's 10 years younger than Eli. He'd be locked up at that price through 2022. I used to think that was a ton of money, but while it's not a rookie contract, it's basically a bargain when you look at recent FA QB contracts.

Consider Matt Ryan ($30MM/yr), Jimmy G ($28MM/yr), Stafford ($28MM/yr). These may all seem like bad deals, but they are the deals being made for starting quality QB's who hit UFA.

Unless you happen to be able to draft one, you are going to pay upwards of $30MM/yr to replace Eli with a starting caliber QB.

In comment 14214182 Capt. Don said:

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I think the Raiders keep him. He hasnt thrown an interception since week 5. He has absolutely no running game, a leaky O-line that is worse than ours at this point and he is throwing to household names like Seth Roberts, Marcell Ateman and a washed up 33 year old Jordy Nelson. Frankly, it is a much worse situation than Eli has here and he has performed pretty well considering.

I agree. The Raiders need to sign Le'von Bell and team him up with Carr.

How much better is he than a rookie you could take in the 2nd or 3rd round? How much better is he than a veteran journeyman like Fitzpatrick who is in the $12M range? I would argue it isn't enough to warrant the commitment in years or in the additional money.

If you bring in Carr, he may have a reasonable contract for a franchise QB, but I don't see him as a franchise QB. In that respect, his deal isn't a good one.

Draft Herbert in April. Trade up if you have to and let him learn behind Eli. Derek Carr is not a franchise QB. He is solid but nothing special. Now if Eli retires and Carr could be had for a 4th round pick then I would make the trade and leave Carr as the starting QB for a year or two until Herbert is ready. If Carr plays well enough he could be flipped for a pick in a year.

Carr?? Don’t watch Raider games, I guess.

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Carr?? Don’t watch Raider games, I guess.

Former MVP candidate, was playing at a very high level in year 2 and 3 before some injuries and the state of their team went to shit. Has all the tools...it's kind of weird what has happened to him.

All that being said, he is clicking now with Gruden's system and playing well, and they legit have nobody on offense

Herbert but definitely not Carr...that's pretty funny to me. Carr is a legit NFL quarterback/pro bowl caliber player when he's right.

Not a damn thing.

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for Carr

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I think the Raiders keep him. He hasnt thrown an interception since week 5. He has absolutely no running game, a leaky O-line that is worse than ours at this point and he is throwing to household names like Seth Roberts, Marcell Ateman and a washed up 33 year old Jordy Nelson. Frankly, it is a much worse situation than Eli has here and he has performed pretty well considering.

I agree. Gruden's track record is replete with veteran QBs leading his teams. He has never been comfortable with rookie QBs. So I don't expect that to change by investing a high pick in one. And dealing with those potential growing pains, especially with needs at WR, OL, RB - essentially the entire offensive corp, would be utter torture for Gruden.

I give you...
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In comment 14214163 Diver_Down said:

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and allow him to lead the Giants to the promised land. With an actual competent GM and the tutelage of Shurmur, Eli will harness the talent of our offensive weapons. Wait for the Raiders to release Carr, and he can sign to be Eli's back-up like his brother did. Kyle can go to the PS. No one is going to steal his noodle arm.

Agree, at least extend him 5+ years..there's no qb better than him to replace him as we can see.

I haven't watched an entire Raiders game because my time is not yet that worthless, but Jared Cook is currently their best receiver. Their best RB is either Doug Martin or Jalen Richard -- it's scary that a legitimate debate actually exists there. He plays in a relatively difficult division (at least, compared to ours), on a team that's historically been horribly managed and experiencing a lot of "what the hell are we doing right now?" turmoil.

I've seen excuses given to QBs whose cupboards are stocked a hell of lot more than Carr's, that's for damn sure.

singled him out in his twitter feed for his play over the last 6-7 weeks.

Can't link now, but you might want to check it out. MVP candidate just a couple years back who is rounding into form following a massive transformation in the team.

I'm not saying he's the guy, but a lot of people are easily dismissing him. I think that stats need to be taken in context.

Keep Eli and add the future QB through the draft, if the Giants can get Foles as a free agent I am all for that. He would not cost very much and he is a winner. He would fit into this culture perfect.

a really talented guy. It seems to have become popular to say he sucks here, but he definitely does not. Gruden has made a mess of the Raiders and I don’t think he will be able to turn it around. His nice guy persona on MNF seems really fake now. I can’t figure out exactly what Oakland is doing to be honest. Nonetheless, I am not sure I would give up a lot for Carr as he is destined to be cut.

Let him be the Raiders problem. it takes one less team out of the QB Hunt if Herbert or Haskins come out in this year's draft.

protection or team around him for several seasons.

He may need to get his confidence back, but he'd be worth our #1 imo...and they'd likely expect and demand more for him.

And his future salary is a plus unless you hit on a franchise QB who'd come cheaper for several years. But, again imo, it's more likely that a team could miss on a pick than miss on Carr.

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Don’t want him. I’m hopeful the next NYG QB is one of Tua, Fromm, or Trevor Lawrence. But to do so, I know the NYG would have to sell off tons of draft capital, including multiple 1’s.

I’m with you Boss. If we’re going to draft a quarterback we’re better off making a move to get our guy in 2920. I like the three you mentioned better then anyone in the 2919 class. I doubt we’ll be able to get Tua without paying a kings ransom but Fromm is a guy I really like.

In comment 14215500 Fritz said:

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In comment 14214316 The_Boss said: Quote: Don’t want him. I’m hopeful the next NYG QB is one of Tua, Fromm, or Trevor Lawrence. But to do so, I know the NYG would have to sell off tons of draft capital, including multiple 1’s. I’m with you Boss. If we’re going to draft a quarterback we’re better off making a move to get our guy in 2920. I like the three you mentioned better then anyone in the 2919 class. I doubt we’ll be able to get Tua without paying a kings ransom but Fromm is a guy I really like.

I meant 2019 and 2020, Eli is durab,e but he’s not going to last that long