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Dan in the Springs : 12/11/2018 11:50 am
Let's discuss the job the coaches are doing.

Just put the list down, then +, -, or n/a next to their name. You can add a narration after that.

HC - Shurmur: + some mistakes, team improving playing competitive football after terrible start.
OC - Shula: n/a - can't decide. I suspect he's part of the reason for the slow/bad offensive start.
DC - Bettcher: n/a - can't decide. Does some very creative things with little talent on his side of the ball, but the defense is still one of the worst in the league.
RB - Johnson: + Barkley clearly helps, and Gallman has done well.
WR - Tolbert: n/a. Some no-names looking good, stars looking good but not great, need time to evaluate.
TE - Wells: +. Like what I see from Simonson, Engram a work in progress. Ellison is a player.
OL - Hunter: ++ the key isn't what the OL did at the beginning, but how they've pieced together and the rate of improvement. Sign of a good coach. Almost can't believe I'm writing this.
DL - Emanuel: n/a. Some good signs from Hill but overall, the DL has been mostly down and not sure if the arrow is definitively pointing up.
LB - McGovern: - granted the talent level might seem low, but pass rush falls on the LBers in a 3-4 and coverage hasn't been stellar. Recent signs of improvement are tough to evaluate because we aren't playing good offenses.
DB - Anarumo: + lots of improvement from guys in the secondary.
ST - McGaughey: +++ maybe the best ST in the league. Good job coach.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/11/2018 11:52 am : link
Not trying to be a d*ck, but how can we really know how the WR coach is doing for example?
I have no idea what is going on with the Viking offense..  
Sean : 12/11/2018 11:55 am : link
but we heard that Shurmur was very high on Kevin Stefanski, but the Vikings didn’t grant permission. It seems they settled for Shula. I’d like to see Stefansi brought in as I assume he would bring more cohesion with Shurmur.
Major props for McGaughey.  
Red Dog : 12/11/2018 11:57 am : link
Special teams are much improved almost everywhere.
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Dan in the Springs : 12/11/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14214550 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Not trying to be a d*ck, but how can we really know how the WR coach is doing for example?


We can't. Just some discussion about our thoughts. We talk about a lot of things that we don't really know about. If you don't have any idea, that's what the n/a is for.

Figured it would be something new to discuss.
It's tough to say that  
ryanmkeane : 12/11/2018 12:47 pm : link
all of our coaches are doing well when we are 5-8

Arrow is pointing up however
Tolbert  
10thAve : 12/11/2018 1:22 pm : link
I’d lean toward a + for Tolbert.

Beckham is Beckham, Shepard makes plays when he gets the ball and both are more than willing blockers.

The other guys - R. Sheppard, Coleman, and even Fowler have contributed when called upon. I think the sign of good coaching is coaching up the lesser-status players, which I think has happened with these three.

Still a work in progress but I like the progress being made there.
If the coaches are doing such a good job why are we 5-8?  
Go Terps : 12/11/2018 1:25 pm : link
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RE: If the coaches are doing such a good job why are we 5-8?  
giants#1 : 12/11/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14214767 Go Terps said:
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Lack of talent. If we replayed the first 8 games with the current OL, do we still go 1-7?
RE: If the coaches are doing such a good job why are we 5-8?  
Dan in the Springs : 12/11/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14214767 Go Terps said:
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Because a mark of a good coach should be how their players improve given time.

If Bill Belichick is such a good coach why did his NE team start out worse his first year there than we did?

You look for improvements, and hope they are rapid.
RE: RE: If the coaches are doing such a good job why are we 5-8?  
Go Terps : 12/11/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14214775 giants#1 said:
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Lack of talent. If we replayed the first 8 games with the current OL, do we still go 1-7?


Why wasn't the OL adequately prepared entering the season? Why did it take 8 games (and a significant weakening of the schedule) for the OL to be passable?

Waiting for the season to effectively be over before playing something resembling professional football isn't the mark of a job well done by the coaching staff.

Terps the OL can be explained this way...  
Chris684 : 12/11/2018 2:57 pm : link
1) Solder was injured early on but played through (was listed on injury report several times but didn't miss a game and has been a different player after the bye).

2) Jamon Brown. While not a pro bowl/all pro level guy, he has been an immediate upgrade over Omameh, which leads me to point #3.

3) Omameh was terrible and simply a miscalculation by Gettleman. That falls on Gettleman in this case, not the coaches.

4) Flowers was not only terrible but clearly a cancer. While still probably a cut below solid starter level, Wheeler, even at that has been an upgrade. Unlike Flowers he is not a cancer, but a guy who competes and has actually gotten better and can probably still serve in the important role as backup/swing tackle after RT is hopefully upgraded in the offseason.

5) Pulley is probably slightly better than Halapio, and definitely better than Grecco.

Say what you want about the competition but go look at the rushing defense ranks we've gone up against as Barkley has really taken off on the ground. Some pretty solid defenses that backup QBs have nothing to do with.

Hard to get Past the 2nd Half of the Eagles Game...  
mvftw : 12/11/2018 3:57 pm : link
When every player on both sides says...'the Eagles made half time adjustments'...What the hell did our Coaches do...Jury is still out on this staff...
I need to see more from Shurmur  
SHO'NUFF : 12/12/2018 10:05 am : link
he hasn't impressed me so far... Hal Hunter, not sold... special teams still make bonehead plays from time to time.
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