in front of your eyes but plenty of scouts and GMs get caught up in the athleticism or the "upside" or whatever...Hernandez seems to be just a really good football player who you can count on. I'm glad Gettleman knows how to recognize that
getting better and better as the season moves along. Which is what you would hope for a young guy who is figuring it out on the field. He's a keeper. The big shame was Halapaio injury. He would have been a real interesting guy to get that experience this year and the Giants could go into next season not having to find a center.
has been cleaning up his mistakes early on and like what Matt said is getting better and better. Not surprised how the o-line is playing better as a unit, their time to adjust and play with cohesion may have cost the games early on however.
was a very good draft choice. He should be around for a long time. As for Jon Halapio he was cut by three teams before landing with the Giants. Halapio is terrible he was a sign of how desperate the Giants were on the OL. They thought Jones was being over paid and Solder was going to be playing at a higher level.Giants got it wrong thinking they could go with Halapio at a cheaper rate at Center. Hopefully the Giants in the off-season will upgrade the OL and we will not have to see Halapio again.
and he was picking around 21. Don't get the constact crapping on Reese - let it go. DG may get the job done, he may not. Saying DG knows OL is interesting - did someone else sign Omameh and then cut him.......
in front of your eyes but plenty of scouts and GMs get caught up in the athleticism or the "upside" or whatever...Hernandez seems to be just a really good football player who you can count on. I'm glad Gettleman knows how to recognize that
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Not sure why DG is getting so much credit for the Will Hernandez draft pick - it was no-brainer to take him in the 2nd round. On draft day I didn't hear anyone else even suggest that the Giants would take another player in that spot.
But notice the first 2 picks are sky high intangibles/leadership guys. Yogi would have need a better scout than what we had,90% of this game is half mental.
but any GM gets at least some credit for taking the player in front of your face. It was the right mix of timing and opportunity. They could have passed on hernandez or got nervous about some part of his game.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
but any GM gets at least some credit for taking the player in front of your face. It was the right mix of timing and opportunity. They could have passed on hernandez or got nervous about some part of his game.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
I don't agree that DG picked the guy right in front of his face. My recollection is that there were other OGs available and there was some criticism that DG picked the wrong guy initially
but any GM gets at least some credit for taking the player in front of your face. It was the right mix of timing and opportunity. They could have passed on hernandez or got nervous about some part of his game.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
I don't agree that DG picked the guy right in front of his face. My recollection is that there were other OGs available and there was some criticism that DG picked the wrong guy initially
Not sure who else it would've been. Hernandez was talked about as a late 1st rounder. Connor Williams went before our pick, IIRC.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Not sure why DG is getting so much credit for the Will Hernandez draft pick - it was no-brainer to take him in the 2nd round. On draft day I didn't hear anyone else even suggest that the Giants would take another player in that spot.
but any GM gets at least some credit for taking the player in front of your face. It was the right mix of timing and opportunity. They could have passed on hernandez or got nervous about some part of his game.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
I don't agree that DG picked the guy right in front of his face. My recollection is that there were other OGs available and there was some criticism that DG picked the wrong guy initially
Not sure who else it would've been. Hernandez was talked about as a late 1st rounder. Connor Williams went before our pick, IIRC.
Williams went 50th overall to Dallas (Hernandez 34th).
Austin Corbett was taken just ahead of us by the Browns.
Braden Smith went 37 to Indy (I believe Sy liked him more, but felt WH fit the mold DG was looking for better)
James Daniels 39th
Brian O'Neill 62nd to the Vikes
So Hernandez was the 2nd of 6th OL to go in the 2nd round.
but any GM gets at least some credit for taking the player in front of your face. It was the right mix of timing and opportunity. They could have passed on hernandez or got nervous about some part of his game.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
I don't agree that DG picked the guy right in front of his face. My recollection is that there were other OGs available and there was some criticism that DG picked the wrong guy initially
Not sure who else it would've been. Hernandez was talked about as a late 1st rounder. Connor Williams went before our pick, IIRC.
Well for one there was Braden Smith. And Sy had WH as the 10th rated OG/OC
I too sort of thought that was an odd comment coming from you on WH. For one thing, Sy' wanted the G from Auburn (I think it was) whom he had ranked higher. For sure we needed OL, but others were in the mix, iirc.
In comment 14214554 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote: & let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg. /////////////
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Agree 100% Rob (sorry to be doing this to you (: )
No comp whatsoever: WH is physical, nasty and plays a power game. Richburg was none of the foregoing, more a finesse player, and he was pushed around, a lot. Different positions, totally different games.
Added Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, and McIntosh, who is also playing better now, and I am confident in him now that we see how effective Gettleman is at drafting Offensive Linemen and front 7 players on the defensive line and linebacker position, this draft is amongst the best I have ever seen the Giants have.
But he undersells his athleticism. That was his point of criticism.
I really dont recall any names other than William's especially because of his versatility to play tackle as well, but I'm willing to be wrong there. I clearly dont remember draft night well. I remember Hernandez being the #2 guard in the draft.
But he undersells his athleticism. That was his point of criticism.
I really dont recall any names other than William's especially because of his versatility to play tackle as well, but I'm willing to be wrong there. I clearly dont remember draft night well. I remember Hernandez being the #2 guard in the draft.
See my post above. Braden Smith was certainly in the conversation at 34.
In comment 14214554 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote: & let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg. /////////////
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Agree 100% Rob (sorry to be doing this to you (: )
No comp whatsoever: WH is physical, nasty and plays a power game. Richburg was none of the foregoing, more a finesse player, and he was pushed around, a lot. Different positions, totally different games.
No need to apologize! You stated their differences very well.
I always thought that the fact that Hernandez played hard for a college football team that was 0-10 meant a lot.
I also tend to think DG pays more attention to game film than to the 'measureables' when evaluating players. The Reese comparisons are very relevant b/c the difference in approaches is notable. It's only one draft but he did quite well.
Added Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, Carter, and McIntosh, who is also playing better now, and I am confident in him now that we see how effective Gettleman is at drafting Offensive Linemen and front 7 players on the defensive line and linebacker position, this draft is amongst the best I have ever seen the Giants have.
I have to agree and it couldn't have happened at a better time. Imagine if 3 years in we have 15 solid starters?
Maybe Beal works out too.
in the 2007 draft or whether it was by design. Ross comes in, let go by two different teams, and it went from mediocre to very bad. I don't know if it's lack of film study or preoccupation with Combine numbers, or what. But when JR touted Adrien Robinson as the JPP of tight ends, I said to myself, ok, let's see what he looks like.
When he finally took the field in some Ex games, and then finally in-season action (2013, 2014?), he was stunningly un-athletic, looked overweight and slow, not a quick twitch in his body.
One could say Richburg was the highest rated C coming out of college, but Travis Swanson (I think he starts for Dolphins) went 33 picks later to Detroit, Jarvis Landry went 20 picks later to Miami while we came away with Richburg and the immortal Jay Bromley.
It's one of the weirdest stories of player development that I've seen in a while that a player could look that good early, and progressively get worse. I also don't think he was a "finesse" player. That word tends to be used as a euphemism for soft, and he wasn't. He certainly played with a mean streak and I believe he was ejected from a couple of games for unnecessary roughness.
It's one of the weirdest stories of player development that I've seen in a while that a player could look that good early, and progressively get worse. I also don't think he was a "finesse" player. That word tends to be used as a euphemism for soft, and he wasn't. He certainly played with a mean streak and I believe he was ejected from a couple of games for unnecessary roughness.
Took some shots at Norman.
He's viewed as "soft" due to all the injuries which at least partly explain the regression in his play.
of the Snee comparisons early but not now. Tough as nails power player & finisher with surprising athleticism and great instincts. Look at his get-off - he's off the ball a fraction before any of the O or DL which allows him to dominate. With that kind of size, power and attitude if he moves before you do you're getting your ass kicked.
Those combo blocks are high level. He's making it look easy.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
This is a really silly statement.
What's silly about it? Reese's drafts sucked when it came to the OL, and DG did a decent job of drafting OL with the Panthers, and now with the Giants (granted, it's only one player).
It was not my meaning to translate finesse as the equivalent of soft, technical may have been a better choice of words. That said, I never saw Richburg as a power, a force, in the center of the line moving DTs out of running lanes. He struggled mightily with that.
Because the right guard looks to be holding down the fort fairly well doing some good stuff, and the right tackle progressing each week.
Which may mean a bad assed 2nd round center is in the works. Another beast like Hernandez.
Focus down on that shit.
That's a terrible way to draft. You don't go into it determined to take a certain position in a certain round, particularly in any round beyond the first.
It was not my meaning to translate finesse as the equivalent of soft, technical may have been a better choice of words. That said, I never saw Richburg as a power, a force, in the center of the line moving DTs out of running lanes. He struggled mightily with that.
He was definitely a bit undersized, probably didn't have a lot of play strength.
Richburg really struggled his rookie year at LG. Hernandez is playing at a high level.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Just curious, and not trying to sound like a dick...what were you critical of? Solder/Omameh signing?
Hopefully Carter turns into a double and that's a hell of a first draft
He's already a double with an upside to be more than that.
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Hernandez a home run, B.J. Hill a double.
He's already a double with an upside to be more than that.
Is Carter a single, or stretching the single into a double?
Hill and Carter seem like solid doubles.
Lauletta a backwards K?
Hill and Carter seem like solid doubles.
Lauletta a backwards K?
Lauletta is on the SWB shuttle.
OK but explain Omameh then, blinders?
Agree 100% . Rds 1-3 - a score
Respectfully, Richburg was never this good. Always standing around looking for someone to block, flapping his arms like he's Morris Day doin' the bird
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& let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Which may mean a bad assed 2nd round center is in the works. Another beast like Hernandez.
Focus down on that shit.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
2. Center
3. FS
4. LB...Corner...
5. DT....Tight End....
6. S
Etc and etc with the extra picks.
Trade down, if possible, as always.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
I don't agree that DG picked the guy right in front of his face. My recollection is that there were other OGs available and there was some criticism that DG picked the wrong guy initially
Left to right sequentially aquired.
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but any GM gets at least some credit for taking the player in front of your face. It was the right mix of timing and opportunity. They could have passed on hernandez or got nervous about some part of his game.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
I don't agree that DG picked the guy right in front of his face. My recollection is that there were other OGs available and there was some criticism that DG picked the wrong guy initially
Not sure who else it would've been. Hernandez was talked about as a late 1st rounder. Connor Williams went before our pick, IIRC.
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& let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Not sure why DG is getting so much credit for the Will Hernandez draft pick - it was no-brainer to take him in the 2nd round. On draft day I didn't hear anyone else even suggest that the Giants would take another player in that spot.
Because he is the one who made the pick.
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but any GM gets at least some credit for taking the player in front of your face. It was the right mix of timing and opportunity. They could have passed on hernandez or got nervous about some part of his game.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
I don't agree that DG picked the guy right in front of his face. My recollection is that there were other OGs available and there was some criticism that DG picked the wrong guy initially
Not sure who else it would've been. Hernandez was talked about as a late 1st rounder. Connor Williams went before our pick, IIRC.
Williams went 50th overall to Dallas (Hernandez 34th).
Austin Corbett was taken just ahead of us by the Browns.
Braden Smith went 37 to Indy (I believe Sy liked him more, but felt WH fit the mold DG was looking for better)
James Daniels 39th
Brian O'Neill 62nd to the Vikes
So Hernandez was the 2nd of 6th OL to go in the 2nd round.
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but any GM gets at least some credit for taking the player in front of your face. It was the right mix of timing and opportunity. They could have passed on hernandez or got nervous about some part of his game.
That said, they're also quite lucky he fell to them.
I don't agree that DG picked the guy right in front of his face. My recollection is that there were other OGs available and there was some criticism that DG picked the wrong guy initially
Not sure who else it would've been. Hernandez was talked about as a late 1st rounder. Connor Williams went before our pick, IIRC.
Well for one there was Braden Smith. And Sy had WH as the 10th rated OG/OC
Quote: & let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg. /////////////
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
No comp whatsoever: WH is physical, nasty and plays a power game. Richburg was none of the foregoing, more a finesse player, and he was pushed around, a lot. Different positions, totally different games.
I really dont recall any names other than William's especially because of his versatility to play tackle as well, but I'm willing to be wrong there. I clearly dont remember draft night well. I remember Hernandez being the #2 guard in the draft.
I really dont recall any names other than William's especially because of his versatility to play tackle as well, but I'm willing to be wrong there. I clearly dont remember draft night well. I remember Hernandez being the #2 guard in the draft.
See my post above. Braden Smith was certainly in the conversation at 34.
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In comment 14214554 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote: & let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg. /////////////
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Agree 100% Rob (sorry to be doing this to you (: )
No comp whatsoever: WH is physical, nasty and plays a power game. Richburg was none of the foregoing, more a finesse player, and he was pushed around, a lot. Different positions, totally different games.
No need to apologize! You stated their differences very well.
I always thought that the fact that Hernandez played hard for a college football team that was 0-10 meant a lot.
I also tend to think DG pays more attention to game film than to the 'measureables' when evaluating players. The Reese comparisons are very relevant b/c the difference in approaches is notable. It's only one draft but he did quite well.
I have to agree and it couldn't have happened at a better time. Imagine if 3 years in we have 15 solid starters?
Maybe Beal works out too.
When he finally took the field in some Ex games, and then finally in-season action (2013, 2014?), he was stunningly un-athletic, looked overweight and slow, not a quick twitch in his body.
One could say Richburg was the highest rated C coming out of college, but Travis Swanson (I think he starts for Dolphins) went 33 picks later to Detroit, Jarvis Landry went 20 picks later to Miami while we came away with Richburg and the immortal Jay Bromley.
Took some shots at Norman.
He's viewed as "soft" due to all the injuries which at least partly explain the regression in his play.
Those combo blocks are high level. He's making it look easy.
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& let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
This is a really silly statement.
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& let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
This is a really silly statement.
What's silly about it? Reese's drafts sucked when it came to the OL, and DG did a decent job of drafting OL with the Panthers, and now with the Giants (granted, it's only one player).
Which may mean a bad assed 2nd round center is in the works. Another beast like Hernandez.
Focus down on that shit.
That's a terrible way to draft. You don't go into it determined to take a certain position in a certain round, particularly in any round beyond the first.
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& let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Eh... that's kinda bullshit. Richburg was a pretty highly regarded player as well and actually performed promisingly his rookie year.
Trouble was, like so many promising young Giants players of the past several years, he performed worse instead of better in seasons following.
If there's one trend our new FO eliminates, I hope it's that one.
He was definitely a bit undersized, probably didn't have a lot of play strength.