There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
This is a really silly statement.
What's silly about it? Reese's drafts sucked when it came to the OL, and DG did a decent job of drafting OL with the Panthers, and now with the Giants (granted, it's only one player).
I won't bother digging into the archives, but everyone and their mother was gushing over Weston Richburg when he was playing at the level of a top 3 center in the NFL. Now in hindsight comments like yours about how there's "no comparing the two players" are very easy to say, but at the time he was looking like a guy who'd be a staple on our line for the next decade.
Point being there was literally no sign of Richburg's fall from grace, just as there's no indication Hernandez is going anywhere but up either.
If anything, there's extra reason to compare the two players and perhaps maybe not count our chickens after 6-8 good weeks? I'm confident in the kid too, but it's probably best (both as a fan and a member of the organization) to actually learn from how Richburg fell apart and prevent it from happening again.
in front of your eyes but plenty of scouts and GMs get caught up in the athleticism or the "upside" or whatever...Hernandez seems to be just a really good football player who you can count on. I'm glad Gettleman knows how to recognize that
OK but explain Omameh then, blinders?
Sure it was a bad signing he recognized it and he was released Reese would of doubled down on him.
getting better and better as the season moves along. Which is what you would hope for a young guy who is figuring it out on the field. He's a keeper.
That's the real key: guys who continue to progress. And Hernandez has done that. Some ugly moments early on but last few games he has been laying guys out. And he and Solder are working much better as a team. I think we can say the left side is set for the next three years.
If I recall correctly, when he was drafted, Hernandez was described Â
I don’t know if people have short memories or just ignore facts . Flowers, as a rookie, was talked up here big time as one of the toughest guys on the team and one of the strongest. He never missed a game, possibly never missed a play, with a high ankle sprain. People wee talking about the tough attitude he brought to the team. He looked like he was on the right trajectory until something happened. As mentioned, Richburg’s first year was playing out of position as a guard. His 2nd season, he played very well as a center. Again, I remember reading here that he was the best or one of the best centers in the league and then something happened.
Now, everybody “knows” that these guys sucked from day 1 and they knew it then.
RE: If I recall correctly, when he was drafted, Hernandez was described Â
The type of guy who isn't going to allow himself to fail
This is a bit unfair. The NFL is littered with players who aren't good enough to play at this level. [i[especially at OL[/i]
Players fail all the time. This is an elite level and players are difficult to find. It doesn't mean they weren't trying. They're just not good enough. As fans, it's easily to believe that if you just put your best effort in, you can succeed, but this is the very top of the food chain. You can be the biggest or the fastest and still wash out of the sport. It's very common.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Not sure why DG is getting so much credit for the Will Hernandez draft pick - it was no-brainer to take him in the 2nd round. On draft day I didn't hear anyone else even suggest that the Giants would take another player in that spot.
Sy, and a number on BBI, were excited that Braden Smith was still available.
seemed like the easy pick for DG to make, but that’s no knock on him. I imagine it’s very easy to overthink things especially in RD 2 when there are some guys available you thought would be gone. GMs get the credit for good draft picks and the blame for bad ones.
As others have noted a lot of the problems with the Giants past drafts have been after the rookie year. Apple, Richburg, Pugh, Kenard, and plenty others were “great” picks according to many here, they also played outstandingly their rookie seasons. The issue arose after the first season, when they all regressed, gave up, disappeared, whatever you want to say. Was that coaching? Conditioning? Or were they all one year wonders for a lack of a better term? Flowers always sucked.
For the most part I don’t watch a lot of college football, played it, but never even watch my old school. Last year my job had me involved in doing some statistics type stuff for the NFL and it kind of got me into watching some games. Mostly the guys that were mentioned as possibilities for the #2 pick.
However, in all the years I have been reading BBI there is always a large contingent of posters that love certain picks. Every year a bunch of people call the draft an A+ or a lot of great moves. Especially early in Reese’s tenure. A lot of guys thought Reese was a great GM very quickly. DG still hasn’t faced the toughest tests yet. It’s anybodies guess whether or not he will be a great GM long term. He is kind of a charismatic guy who is entertaining to listen to which is big difference from JR who could put you to sleep. My point is the jury is still out and will be for awhile on him. It’s ok to be optimistic and acceptable to be pessimistic as well. I just think you gotta give it a lot more time to really label him as anything either positively or negatively.
But there was a lot of good blocking across the line and from the TEs. We may be beating up on scrub teams for the most part but there’s no denying we’re improving - significantly so in the case of the OL/blocking. Good to see.
But there was a lot of good blocking across the line and from the TEs. We may be beating up on scrub teams for the most part but there’s no denying we’re improving - significantly so in the case of the OL/blocking. Good to see.
Washington has Payne and Allen on the DL, those are not scrubs.
Agree that theTE and WR blocking was good on those runs. It was nice to see Engram handle his man well.
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& let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
This is a really silly statement.
What's silly about it? Reese's drafts sucked when it came to the OL, and DG did a decent job of drafting OL with the Panthers, and now with the Giants (granted, it's only one player).
I won't bother digging into the archives, but everyone and their mother was gushing over Weston Richburg when he was playing at the level of a top 3 center in the NFL. Now in hindsight comments like yours about how there's "no comparing the two players" are very easy to say, but at the time he was looking like a guy who'd be a staple on our line for the next decade.
Point being there was literally no sign of Richburg's fall from grace, just as there's no indication Hernandez is going anywhere but up either.
If anything, there's extra reason to compare the two players and perhaps maybe not count our chickens after 6-8 good weeks? I'm confident in the kid too, but it's probably best (both as a fan and a member of the organization) to actually learn from how Richburg fell apart and prevent it from happening again.
Trouble was, like so many promising young Giants players of the past several years, he performed worse instead of better in seasons following.
If there's one trend our new FO eliminates, I hope it's that one.
Didn't he play OG his rookie year? Because some walking corpse was playing C?
The line is-a really exciting late season development. Three of the 5 pieces are there. They can function as currently constituted.
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Richburg was a pretty highly regarded player as well and actually performed promisingly his rookie year.
Trouble was, like so many promising young Giants players of the past several years, he performed worse instead of better in seasons following.
If there's one trend our new FO eliminates, I hope it's that one.
Didn't he play OG his rookie year? Because some walking corpse was playing C?
Yeah, he started off at guard
Little did they know the pit that many young Giants fall into.
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in front of your eyes but plenty of scouts and GMs get caught up in the athleticism or the "upside" or whatever...Hernandez seems to be just a really good football player who you can count on. I'm glad Gettleman knows how to recognize that
OK but explain Omameh then, blinders?
Sure it was a bad signing he recognized it and he was released Reese would of doubled down on him.
That's the real key: guys who continue to progress. And Hernandez has done that. Some ugly moments early on but last few games he has been laying guys out. And he and Solder are working much better as a team. I think we can say the left side is set for the next three years.
The polar opposite of a Flowers. The type of guy who isn't going to allow himself to fail (and certainly never because of lack of effort).
Now, everybody “knows” that these guys sucked from day 1 and they knew it then.
This is a bit unfair. The NFL is littered with players who aren't good enough to play at this level. [i[especially at OL[/i]
Players fail all the time. This is an elite level and players are difficult to find. It doesn't mean they weren't trying. They're just not good enough. As fans, it's easily to believe that if you just put your best effort in, you can succeed, but this is the very top of the food chain. You can be the biggest or the fastest and still wash out of the sport. It's very common.
Considering the rounds they were taken in - they are all home runs.
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& let's pray he doesn't regress like Richburg.
There is no comparison between these two players. DG knows how to identify good/capable OL in the draft. And Reese doesn't.
Not sure why DG is getting so much credit for the Will Hernandez draft pick - it was no-brainer to take him in the 2nd round. On draft day I didn't hear anyone else even suggest that the Giants would take another player in that spot.
Sy, and a number on BBI, were excited that Braden Smith was still available.
As others have noted a lot of the problems with the Giants past drafts have been after the rookie year. Apple, Richburg, Pugh, Kenard, and plenty others were “great” picks according to many here, they also played outstandingly their rookie seasons. The issue arose after the first season, when they all regressed, gave up, disappeared, whatever you want to say. Was that coaching? Conditioning? Or were they all one year wonders for a lack of a better term? Flowers always sucked.
For the most part I don’t watch a lot of college football, played it, but never even watch my old school. Last year my job had me involved in doing some statistics type stuff for the NFL and it kind of got me into watching some games. Mostly the guys that were mentioned as possibilities for the #2 pick.
However, in all the years I have been reading BBI there is always a large contingent of posters that love certain picks. Every year a bunch of people call the draft an A+ or a lot of great moves. Especially early in Reese’s tenure. A lot of guys thought Reese was a great GM very quickly. DG still hasn’t faced the toughest tests yet. It’s anybodies guess whether or not he will be a great GM long term. He is kind of a charismatic guy who is entertaining to listen to which is big difference from JR who could put you to sleep. My point is the jury is still out and will be for awhile on him. It’s ok to be optimistic and acceptable to be pessimistic as well. I just think you gotta give it a lot more time to really label him as anything either positively or negatively.
Washington has Payne and Allen on the DL, those are not scrubs.
Agree that theTE and WR blocking was good on those runs. It was nice to see Engram handle his man well.
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