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Sean : 12/11/2018 12:05 pm
Stefanski who was a prior target for us promoted to OC. Does Philly jump on him? Is he an upgrade over Shula?
Their O looked putrid at times  
Mike in NY : 12/11/2018 12:07 pm : link
Completely abandoning the running game. As a QB coach though I would take him
Wow  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/11/2018 12:07 pm : link
the nfl is fickle.

If I remember right DeFilippo was at least considered for some HC jobs if not interviewed for some.

To go from that to being fired as an OC in 13 weeks is a huge fall.

There had to be a personality thing with Zimmer. They seem diametrically different. Old school v. Hot Shot
he'll be back in Philly  
jlukes : 12/11/2018 12:08 pm : link
by the end of the week
"Abandoned the run"  
AcesUp : 12/11/2018 12:11 pm : link
In reality that's a euphemism for shitty OL play that results in stalled drives and fewer plays. Not calling enough running plays with a bad OL didn't sink that team, investing 30m in Kirk Cousins with a bad OL sunk that team.
Zimmer  
mittenedman : 12/11/2018 12:15 pm : link
seems like a difficult guy to work for.
I'd dump Shula  
SHO'NUFF : 12/11/2018 12:16 pm : link
for him
We know Shula wasn't Shurmur's first choice  
jcn56 : 12/11/2018 12:21 pm : link
or second for that matter. The question is, is he happy with him now, and does he have the power to relieve him if he's not? Isn't Shula from Carolina?
RE: We know Shula wasn't Shurmur's first choice  
Mike in NY : 12/11/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14214631 jcn56 said:
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or second for that matter. The question is, is he happy with him now, and does he have the power to relieve him if he's not? Isn't Shula from Carolina?


Shula was in Carolina, but he and Shurmur both have connections to Ron Rivera
Deserves to be fired  
Sammo85 : 12/11/2018 12:42 pm : link
He’s been one of the worst OCs in all of football.
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BillT : 12/11/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14214607 AcesUp said:
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In reality that's a euphemism for shitty OL play that results in stalled drives and fewer plays. Not calling enough running plays with a bad OL didn't sink that team, investing 30m in Kirk Cousins with a bad OL sunk that team.

Yet, this was the OL that was supposedly so great after they rebuilt it in one year. Truth is it wasn't very good then or now.
Does anyone really think the Giants would replace any coach  
Ivan15 : 12/11/2018 12:44 pm : link
With 3 weeks left?
It’s quite simple  
Tuckrule : 12/11/2018 12:46 pm : link
Defilippo, with the way offenses are is trending in the league , was trying to imprint his stamp on the vikes passing game. He clashed with Zimmer who wanted to run the ball more. Today in the nfl you don’t get a job by showing how good your run game is. You get a job by passing the ball downfield. I beleive this won’t effect his coaching chances and he’s still a very good offensive mind.
RE: Does anyone really think the Giants would replace any coach  
bradshaw44 : 12/11/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14214677 Ivan15 said:
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With 3 weeks left?


Not too mention right as the offense is starting to gel. No chance.
Offense  
ryanmkeane : 12/11/2018 12:55 pm : link
and OL in general is finally starting to come together, and we want to bring this guy in? No thanks...maybe as an offensive assistant or something but not as a play caller or OC
RE: Does anyone really think the Giants would replace any coach  
Sean : 12/11/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14214677 Ivan15 said:
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With 3 weeks left?


Wasn’t Hugnagel fired for Gilbride prior to week 17. Obviously different bc change was in house.
Mike Lombardi thinks Giants will end up with Stefanski  
Sean : 12/11/2018 1:05 pm : link
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If we draft a QB in 2019  
SHO'NUFF : 12/11/2018 1:06 pm : link
you want this guy
I hear they are hiring....  
manh george : 12/11/2018 1:12 pm : link
Ivar the Boneless.
if DeFilippo came here and took us away from the run  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/11/2018 1:12 pm : link
a) I'd like to kill him and
b) What?????
Zimmer had better watch...  
BillKo : 12/11/2018 1:15 pm : link
...he doesn't get fired.

Yeah replace Quinn  
Bluesbreaker : 12/11/2018 1:33 pm : link
I forgot he has a lifetime contract extension .
It's funny that people are loving Shula now  
SHO'NUFF : 12/11/2018 1:47 pm : link
but hated when he was hired, and wanted DeFilipo. But now, DeFilipo is damaged goods?
RE: It's funny that people are loving Shula now  
Chris in Philly : 12/11/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14214792 SHO'NUFF said:
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but hated when he was hired, and wanted DeFilipo. But now, DeFilipo is damaged goods?


I must have missed the Shula fan cub meeting...
Kick the tire  
spike : 12/11/2018 1:49 pm : link
The Vikings will start their free fall hopefully
RE: Mike Lombardi thinks Giants will end up with Stefanski  
jcn56 : 12/11/2018 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14214731 Sean said:
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I didn't read it that way, Sean. He's saying that the Vikings almost lost Stefanski, and now they have the opportunity to try him out with DeFillippo out.
you have a 28 million dollar QB  
bluepepper : 12/11/2018 2:03 pm : link
Adam Thielen, Stefon Diggs and Kyle Rudolph. You bring in a QB coach for OC. And you're mad that the offense is passing too much? Kinda strange to me.
I love franchises that  
prdave73 : 12/11/2018 2:16 pm : link
are ruthless and don’t hold back. If you can get the job done, then you don’t belong here. Next.. This is the way it should be, the nfl is full of terrible coaches.
RE: I love franchises that  
SHO'NUFF : 12/11/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14214843 prdave73 said:
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are ruthless and don’t hold back. If you can get the job done, then you don’t belong here. Next.. This is the way it should be, the nfl is full of terrible coaches.


and yet we refuse to fire Quinn for years... and keep Hal Hunter on staff this year.
RE: I love franchises that  
bluepepper : 12/11/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14214843 prdave73 said:
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are ruthless and don’t hold back. If you can get the job done, then you don’t belong here. Next.. This is the way it should be, the nfl is full of terrible coaches.

That's one way of looking at it. Another is the team was under performing expectations and the coach/GM are worried about their own necks and threw their first year OC under the bus. And promoted a guy who a year ago they stiffed for this job and blocked from other jobs.
Giants are averaging over 30 ppg over their past 4  
Section331 : 12/11/2018 2:58 pm : link
after going 2 years without getting to 30, and we're firing our OC? LOL.
RE: RE: I love franchises that  
GiantFanInTX : 12/11/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14214859 bluepepper said:
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are ruthless and don’t hold back. If you can get the job done, then you don’t belong here. Next.. This is the way it should be, the nfl is full of terrible coaches.


That's one way of looking at it. Another is the team was under performing expectations and the coach/GM are worried about their own necks and threw their first year OC under the bus. And promoted a guy who a year ago they stiffed for this job and blocked from other jobs.


I don't think the NFL is full of terrible coaches. I think fans put too much emphasis on coaching and not enough on talent. Talent wins in the NFL. Period. Yes, some coaches are better than others at getting the best out of their players. Some of that is skill and some is just luck. At the end of the day, the healthiest teams with the most talent are going to be the most successful.
RE: you have a 28 million dollar QB  
AcesUp : 12/11/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14214824 bluepepper said:
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Adam Thielen, Stefon Diggs and Kyle Rudolph. You bring in a QB coach for OC. And you're mad that the offense is passing too much? Kinda strange to me.


This. It's baffling how some teams operate. If you want to be the run oriented defensive minded team then commit to that. Don't spend huge at QB, build your team to throw and then get angry when they aren't running the ball. You have a shaky OL and an injury prone lead back, of course they're passing. Running ineffectively is not going to increase your chances of winning.
RE: RE: RE: I love franchises that  
MetsAreBack : 12/11/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14214943 GiantFanInTX said:
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are ruthless and don’t hold back. If you can get the job done, then you don’t belong here. Next.. This is the way it should be, the nfl is full of terrible coaches.


That's one way of looking at it. Another is the team was under performing expectations and the coach/GM are worried about their own necks and threw their first year OC under the bus. And promoted a guy who a year ago they stiffed for this job and blocked from other jobs.



I don't think the NFL is full of terrible coaches. I think fans put too much emphasis on coaching and not enough on talent. Talent wins in the NFL. Period. Yes, some coaches are better than others at getting the best out of their players. Some of that is skill and some is just luck. At the end of the day, the healthiest teams with the most talent are going to be the most successful.


Tell that to Bellicheck. But... you did say "period" after offering your opinion... so it must be true.
RE: RE: I love franchises that  
Gman11 : 12/11/2018 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14214851 SHO'NUFF said:
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are ruthless and don’t hold back. If you can get the job done, then you don’t belong here. Next.. This is the way it should be, the nfl is full of terrible coaches.



and yet we refuse to fire Quinn for years... and keep Hal Hunter on staff this year.


Since the OL is playing much better maybe the problem wasn't Hal Hunter.
Cousins is part of the blame  
Bruner4329 : 12/11/2018 4:47 pm : link
Sure blame the OC but how much of this is the fault of Cousins? Guy was over rated to begin with and now way over paid. Hear he is not well liked either.
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FStubbs : 12/11/2018 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14214607 AcesUp said:
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In reality that's a euphemism for shitty OL play that results in stalled drives and fewer plays. Not calling enough running plays with a bad OL didn't sink that team, investing 30m in Kirk Cousins with a bad OL sunk that team.


They were a good OL last year though.
RE: Cousins is part of the blame  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/11/2018 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14215092 Bruner4329 said:
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Sure blame the OC but how much of this is the fault of Cousins? Guy was over rated to begin with and now way over paid. Hear he is not well liked either.


This. Even here he was pumped as some top tier QB. He goes to a better team and he's looked average. That contract was a huge mistake. Easier to blame to OC. Stat compilers abound in the NFL. He's one of them. Not horrible but 25 million a year. Guaranteed. Worst contract In the NFL other than Gruden's.

At least that disaster isn't a measured as part of the cap. Vikes are stuck w Captain Average. A new OC isn't fixing that.
RE: Cousins is part of the blame  
MetsAreBack : 12/11/2018 7:08 pm : link
In comment 14215092 Bruner4329 said:
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Sure blame the OC but how much of this is the fault of Cousins? Guy was over rated to begin with and now way over paid. Hear he is not well liked either.


I havent heard about the unliked part. Perhaps teammates are frustrated with his lack of production... but seems like an affable guy.
Stat wise  
mrvax : 12/11/2018 7:21 pm : link
Cousins is doing very well. 71% completion, 24TD, 9Int.
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AcesUp : 12/11/2018 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14215109 FStubbs said:
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In reality that's a euphemism for shitty OL play that results in stalled drives and fewer plays. Not calling enough running plays with a bad OL didn't sink that team, investing 30m in Kirk Cousins with a bad OL sunk that team.



They were a good OL last year though.


No they weren't. That was a weird narrative that took hold which people were using as an example for how quickly our unit could turn around. They were below average by every objective measure. They just improved from league worst to below average through patchwork and expected it to hold into the next season.
RE: RE: It's funny that people are loving Shula now  
steve in ky : 12/11/2018 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14214794 Chris in Philly said:
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but hated when he was hired, and wanted DeFilipo. But now, DeFilipo is damaged goods?



I must have missed the Shula fan cub meeting...


Shula may be the one guy I haven't seen a thread started about
I didn’t really understand ditching Casey keenum  
djm : 12/11/2018 9:29 pm : link
But I’m fine, if you want to upgrade the position, but to then dump a monster deal on cousins? We’re you really that desperate? You had a pretty good qb in your clutches with keenum, could have signed him for a lot less and spent the saved money elsewhere. If it’s aaron Rodgers in his prime or a can’t miss stud in the draft ok fine bye bye keenum, but to take the route they took with cousins just seemed unnecessary to me. Worse it seemed and still seems like a lateral move.
I’m fine  
djm : 12/11/2018 9:30 pm : link
Should be ok fine. iPhone is stupid
Guess it was Frank Reich  
TheShade : 12/11/2018 10:40 pm : link
Who was the offensive mastermind for the Eagles SB run.
Looks  
mittenedman : 12/11/2018 10:45 pm : link
like Shurmur got the Vikings OL playing above their heads last year.
RE: Guess it was Frank Reich  
Jay on the Island : 12/12/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 14215398 TheShade said:
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Who was the offensive mastermind for the Eagles SB run.

Wentz is coming back from a serious knee injury which usually takes a full year before the player returns to form. This could be the reason for the decline in performance by the offense but Reich is clearly missed as well. The Colts should buy McDaniels something nice for Christmas for bailing on them because they hit a homerun with Reich.
RE: Looks  
Jay on the Island : 12/12/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 14215402 mittenedman said:
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like Shurmur got the Vikings OL playing above their heads last year.

Tony Sparano was a big part of their success last year. He is clearly missed.
Zimmer must be on the hot seat this year  
spike : 12/12/2018 11:04 am : link
.vikes are underachieving
RE: Guess it was Frank Reich  
MetsAreBack : 12/12/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 14215398 TheShade said:
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Who was the offensive mastermind for the Eagles SB run.


Actually it was the Falcons safety who dropped an easy pick 6 at the end of the first half in the Divisional Round who was the mastermind behind the Eagles run. Eagles then go on to kick a huge FG at end of half and Falcons predictably choke with sad, incompetent playcalling on final drive and Jones falling down on final play.
Cousins is a pretty big upgrade on Keenum  
MetsAreBack : 12/12/2018 11:14 am : link
they were never going to win a SB with Keenum, so I understood the move.

Up until two weeks ago Cousins was having a very good season. Its not his fault their FG kicking cost them the game in GB, their defense couldnt stop a nosebleed in LA, or even against Buffalo.

But I dont know what the fuck happened in NE and at Seattle - he's been hot garbage last two weeks. Their schedule does set up favorably to win their final 3 games though and go to Dallas or Chicago in round 1, both winnable games. Yes Miami is 7-6... but they are 1-5 on the road, and if Minny can't win this game and fairly easily - they do suck.
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