B.W.Webb

Would have been nice if we had Apple and Webb.

Beal who we spent a 3rd rounded on. Really hoping he can be special

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In comment 14215414 ZGiants98 said:

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Would have been nice if we had Apple and Webb.

curious what games were you watching where you thought Apple had a great start

I was wondering the same thing. Eli Apple is just flat out not good. He definitely doesn't pass the eye test. Just checked his PFF grade and he's the 97th rated CB.

Jerry Reese really screwed us. Picked Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley. Picked Eli Apple over Laremy Tunsil.

I'm glad we ended up with Saquon, but if Reese would have made the obvious pick we'd most likely have an offense consisting of Sam Darnold, Todd Gurley, Odell, Shepard, Engram & Tunsil. Would be a real solid young core.

Apple’s first 3-4 games he played well. Definitely before his groin injury and maybe his first game back.

In comment 14215432 Big Rick in FL said:

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I was wondering the same thing. Eli Apple is just flat out not good. He definitely doesn't pass the eye test. Just checked his PFF grade and he's the 97th rated CB. Jerry Reese really screwed us. Picked Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley. Picked Eli Apple over Laremy Tunsil. I'm glad we ended up with Saquon, but if Reese would have made the obvious pick we'd most likely have an offense consisting of Sam Darnold, Todd Gurley, Odell, Shepard, Engram & Tunsil. Would be a real solid young core.

If we had Gurley and Tunsil, there is no way we are drafting 2 last year so no we would not have Darnold,

In comment 14215435 King Quis said:

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Apple’s first 3-4 games he played well. Definitely before his groin injury and maybe his first game back.

There was a very clear consensus on this board that Apple was playing very well to start the year. Amazing how people's memories change over time.

Another guy who is unsigned for next season.

and cheaper ($300k vs $1M), younger (22 vs 23), signed longer (ERFA in 2020 vs UFA in 2020).

Apple was playing much better to start this year, but he still had his ups and downs and was also being outperformed by Jenkins/Webb at the time and has been outplayed by Haley since the trade.

In comment 14215470 Chip said:

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Another guy who is unsigned for next season.

A 28 year old vet that didn't play in 2017 and had to sign for vet min with the Giants. He's played very well, but I can't imagine it'll cost much (in $$ and years) to keep him. I'd guess something like 2 yrs/$6M with half gtd gets it done.

only 37 people under contract for 2019 and if we franchise Collins for 9 mil the cap money will go quickly.

In comment 14215539 Chip said:

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only 37 people under contract for 2019 and if we franchise Collins for 9 mil the cap money will go quickly.

They have a bunch of RFAs and ERFAs that won't cost much in terms of cap space:

Locks
Rosas
Penny

Likely
Halapio
Hamilton
Pulley
Coleman

Others
Tanney
Sokoli
Ladler
Williams

Add the 6 in the likely/locks categories and you're looking at 43 players under contract with maybe another $3-4M in cap space used.

played well. I'd like to resign him, but I'm sure he'll have suitors and offers from other teams.

Phenom vj at 41". Adequate starter 40 at 4.51. Probably lacks a 2nd gear makeup speed, but many starters, even stars, do lack this.

Combine this with the scheme and man vision and awareness we have seen and this is an NFL starting cb.

as to how he feels he's benefitted from moving from the slot to the outside.

I think his play was good in the slot, not great. His play on the outside meanwhile has been very good. So has he been coached up, elevated his level of play, or the position requirement better fit his skill set?

My guess is the last explanation.