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Rjanyg : 12/12/2018 9:12 am
He is on with Golic and Wingo saying the Giants will draft Ohio State QB Haskins at pick 10. Barf.
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I can see why  
Jints in Carolina : 12/12/2018 9:15 am : link
but I don't agree with it....Get a pass rusher.
totally over rated QB  
gtt350 : 12/12/2018 9:16 am : link
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I am hoping for Josh Allen out of Kentucky  
Rjanyg : 12/12/2018 9:18 am : link
would love to bolster our OLB/Edge rush guys.
I don’t think  
mattyblue : 12/12/2018 9:18 am : link
he is overrated. I think he’s gonna be a stud.
I’d like to draft Haskins  
Saos1n : 12/12/2018 9:19 am : link
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He grew up a Giants fan  
sjnyfan : 12/12/2018 9:23 am : link
A buddy of mine is his first cousin. He said he's still undecided about coming out as of Thanksgiving weekend. We'll see but I don't want him at 10. I'd rather have White or Little
May see a lot of QBs picked in the first round but not 3 or 4 in top  
Ivan15 : 12/12/2018 9:29 am : link
10. This is not a year of “can’t miss” QBs.

If the Giants pick 10-15, there may be a QB they like, but more likely that they pick o-line or edge rusher.
OLine  
Jim Bur(n)t : 12/12/2018 9:31 am : link
With the deep DL draft, hope an OL stud slips to us.
RE: May see a lot of QBs picked in the first round but not 3 or 4 in top  
bradshaw44 : 12/12/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 14215607 Ivan15 said:
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10. This is not a year of “can’t miss” QBs.

If the Giants pick 10-15, there may be a QB they like, but more likely that they pick o-line or edge rusher.


This. I don't think they are going to force the QB pick. If they believe in a 2020 guy I think they will pick OL or ER and then trade the farm as they did for Eli, in 2020.
No thanks on Greg Little  
Big Rick in FL : 12/12/2018 9:33 am : link
Dwayne Haskins is gonna be a high pick. NFL teams love him and rightfully so. He's a very very good QB. He had over 4500 passing yards with 47 TDs and only 8 INTs while completing 70% of his passes. Also had 150 rushing yards and 4 rushing TDs. He had better numbers then any QB in college football.

You'll see him rise during the draft process as the media catches up on what NFL teams are thinking.
Rjanyg  
Big Rick in FL : 12/12/2018 9:34 am : link
Why do you say barf about Haskins? What don't you like about him?
RE: I don’t think  
GoBlue6599 : 12/12/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 14215585 mattyblue said:
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he is overrated. I think he’s gonna be a stud.

This ... That kid can really sling it from what I saw, I’m not against picking him.. His ceiling is very high
I say:  
Beezer : 12/12/2018 9:38 am : link
Not a chance.
RE: He grew up a Giants fan  
mattyblue : 12/12/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14215592 sjnyfan said:
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A buddy of mine is his first cousin. He said he's still undecided about coming out as of Thanksgiving weekend. We'll see but I don't want him at 10. I'd rather have White or Little


I can’t understand why he or any other QB in his position would even think of returning to school. If you are all but certainly going in the first round, you have nowhere to go but down. He could have a bad season next year and end up a 4th round pick. I understand wanting to win and all that but I just don’t see how it makes sense. It’s also why I don’t blame Grier for not playing the bowl game. You are on the cusp of becoming rich and achieving a lifelong dream. Athletes still can’t have contacts with agents in college? I kind of think they should be able to, at least someone who can put it to you in dollars and cents. The schools don’t care about them. It’s the reason I struggle with college sports. The schools, coaches, TV stations etc.. all making a killer profit and the kids get very little.
Assuming all the elite edge rush prospects are gone  
The_Boss : 12/12/2018 9:38 am : link
Greedy Williams is taken and no great OT available, I think 10 is a great spot for the FS from Alabama (Thompson).
I'd rather Drew Lock.  
Ash_3 : 12/12/2018 9:40 am : link
I trust a QB who's produced against SEC athletes with less talent around him more than a guy with dominant talent against lesser competition.
I forgot about Deionte Thompson  
sjnyfan : 12/12/2018 9:41 am : link
Ballhawk FS which we desperately need
Great QBs don’t come from great teams. They come from mediocre  
Ivan15 : 12/12/2018 9:42 am : link
Teams elevated to greater levels by the QB.

I wouldn’t pick a QB from Alabama or Ohio State.

Think about the Great QBs of the past 25 years. Brady is a fluke because Hanson was ahead of him.
RE: I forgot about Deionte Thompson  
The_Boss : 12/12/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 14215634 sjnyfan said:
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Ballhawk FS which we desperately need


Agreed.
I'd wager the Giants pick  
JonC : 12/12/2018 9:46 am : link
a pass rusher or OT.
I think the is a DL/OL/Edge draft for NYG  
Chris684 : 12/12/2018 9:50 am : link
Barring they fall in love with one of the QBs.
I don't think the Giants are picking a QB to pick a QB  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/12/2018 9:52 am : link
They are only picking Haskins if they evaluate him as a potentially great NFL QB. No one can know what they think at this point.
RE: Great QBs don’t come from great teams. They come from mediocre  
Big Rick in FL : 12/12/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 14215639 Ivan15 said:
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Teams elevated to greater levels by the QB.

I wouldn’t pick a QB from Alabama or Ohio State.

Think about the Great QBs of the past 25 years. Brady is a fluke because Hanson was ahead of him.


This is horrible logic. You scout the player. Has nothing to do with his team. Basically like saying you wouldn't draft Saquon, because all Penn State RBs suck.
It is typical lazy analysis.  
Section331 : 12/12/2018 9:53 am : link
Not only from McShay, but other draft "experts" as well. Giants need a QB, so just slot any QB in where they are scheduled to pick. I don't think DG & Co are going to reach for a QB.
I don't think it will be a DL pick  
JonC : 12/12/2018 9:54 am : link
unless there's a wrecking ball dominant NT, which I don't see.
RE: Rjanyg  
dep026 : 12/12/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 14215620 Big Rick in FL said:
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Why do you say barf about Haskins? What don't you like about him?


Plays with so much more elite talent than the teams he faced. Even against Michigan they picked on their worst defender all game. He’s not as mobile as people think. Urbs QBs ALWAYS put up insane stats. And yet only one has had any success in the NFL and that’s Alex Smith.

His deep ball isn’t the most impressive and tends to lock on o e WR. He has by far the biggest bust ability out of any QB coming out. His yardage is inflated cause his WRs get in space and are just faster than all the other players on the field.
RE: It is typical lazy analysis.  
GoBlue6599 : 12/12/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 14215669 Section331 said:
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Not only from McShay, but other draft "experts" as well. Giants need a QB, so just slot any QB in where they are scheduled to pick. I don't think DG & Co are going to reach for a QB.

What makes Haskins “any Qb” the kid was a hiesman for finalists.
The Giants will Be lucky if he is there
Haskins is real raw  
JonC : 12/12/2018 10:00 am : link
I'd wager it knocks him down in the draft a bit. He's not yet a top 15 talent in my eyes.
RE: I am hoping for Josh Allen out of Kentucky  
jestersdead : 12/12/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 14215584 Rjanyg said:
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would love to bolster our OLB/Edge rush guys.


Would love to see this move, local kid from Montclair High who wasn't a big time recruit but he's turned into a heck of a player
RE: I'd wager the Giants pick  
AcidTest : 12/12/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 14215648 JonC said:
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a pass rusher or OT.


Agreed, but obviously it's early.
RE: I'd wager the Giants pick  
WillVAB : 12/12/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 14215648 JonC said:
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a pass rusher or OT.


Yep.
If the talent matches  
Kyle in NY : 12/12/2018 10:09 am : link
then re-stock the lines with a pass rusher or OL.

Plus I could really do without the stress of defending Haskins on here for years if we take him! Lol
The pick is more than likely going to be a pass rusher  
Jay on the Island : 12/12/2018 10:22 am : link
I am hoping for Herbert but if not then I expect it to be Allen.
RE: Assuming all the elite edge rush prospects are gone  
Diver_Down : 12/12/2018 10:30 am : link
In comment 14215629 The_Boss said:
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Greedy Williams is taken and no great OT available, I think 10 is a great spot for the FS from Alabama (Thompson).


If Greedy and all elite edge rushers are gone, that will leave Jonah Williams sitting there for us. Taking care of the RT spot is far more important than FS. Both need addressing, but the trenches will be prioritized.
Don't forget ...  
Beer Man : 12/12/2018 10:44 am : link
The Giants have 11 picks in the 2019 draft, which means they have assets to move up in the earlier rounds if there is a player they really want.
The ONLY issue I would have with Haskins is his lack of experience.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/12/2018 10:45 am : link
He would definitely have to sit on the bench for a year behind Eli. I would draft him at that spot. He's as good a prospect as any of the 4 players drafted in the top 10 picks this past year.
RE: He grew up a Giants fan  
Boy Cord : 12/12/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 14215592 sjnyfan said:
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A buddy of mine is his first cousin. He said he's still undecided about coming out as of Thanksgiving weekend. We'll see but I don't want him at 10. I'd rather have White or Little


Where is Haskins from? I know he went to private school in Potomac, MD.
No problem with  
ryanmkeane : 12/12/2018 11:18 am : link
QB but Haskins would be a bummer. Doesn't strike me as a franchise QB type
Devin White  
ryanmkeane : 12/12/2018 11:20 am : link
is someone to watch
The only  
jtfuoco : 12/12/2018 11:21 am : link
problem with winning is the picks look less and less exciting at 10 I was so looking forward of grabbing Bosa with a top 3 pick oh well. However saying that no thanks to Haskins but with how this QB class is shaping up I think you could get a decent guy in the 2nd round if you want to bring a guy to compete. KL just does not have a NFL arm and he will never be anything more then a career backup.
Haskins had an incredible year.  
bw in dc : 12/12/2018 11:32 am : link
He made the Buckeye faithful quickly the Barrett and his 35TD passes the prior year.

I watch a ton of OSU games. They are loaded with pro prospects on both sides. I actually think they are as talented as Bama up and down their roster.

But for Haskins, I can't recall a QB having a more comfortable pocket and open receivers to throw to than Haskins this year. It was like 7 on 7 drills most games for OSU because the B1G was down this year.

While I certainly give him credit for making plays with his mobility, and showing decent accuracy, I think his production is highly skewed by his circumstances.

I wouldn't touch him in round one. I think there is definite upside, but still a real project. So if we draft him at #10, it would be a definite remote smasher.
should read...  
bw in dc : 12/12/2018 11:33 am : link
quickly forget Barrett...
I think we should trade down a few more times and get to around 13-14  
No Where Man : 12/12/2018 11:53 am : link
picks. There's plenty of depth players in this year's draft and we need to upgrade that on our team. Cap just went up around $10M, make a few cuts, O.V. Jenkins, and all of our team will be a complete transition into youth and aggresiveness.
RE: The ONLY issue I would have with Haskins is his lack of experience.  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/12/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 14215771 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He would definitely have to sit on the bench for a year behind Eli. I would draft him at that spot. He's as good a prospect as any of the 4 players drafted in the top 10 picks this past year.


What is wrong with sitting him for a year? They can do what the Chiefs did with Mahomes.

The question folks have to ask themselves is this: "What do you want 2019 to be?"

Are we still in rebuilding mode? If so, then drafting him is part of the overall process.

Are we trying to do the "win right now" stuff again? I thought we were down this road. This is where using these last few weeks and projecting future performance is very tricky.
RE: RE: He grew up a Giants fan  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/12/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 14215819 Boy Cord said:
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In comment 14215592 sjnyfan said:


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A buddy of mine is his first cousin. He said he's still undecided about coming out as of Thanksgiving weekend. We'll see but I don't want him at 10. I'd rather have White or Little



Where is Haskins from? I know he went to private school in Potomac, MD.


Highland Park, NJ
RE: totally over rated QB  
tyrik13 : 12/12/2018 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14215577 gtt350 said:
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Explain how he's overrated? From what I'm reading on random articles and tweets is that he's now the top QB prospect. He's had a phenomenal season while breaking alot of records in the process, as well as being a Heisman finalist. So go ahead and share your explanation
So he did what he had to do  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/12/2018 12:26 pm : link
put up great numbers and made some great throws.

But the talent disparity was evident and is rightfully a factor.

Everyone looks good with that much time and that much talent at WR.

Evaluating him will be one of the more difficult jobs for scouts.
RE: Haskins had an incredible year.  
tyrik13 : 12/12/2018 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14215879 bw in dc said:
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He made the Buckeye faithful quickly the Barrett and his 35TD passes the prior year.

I watch a ton of OSU games. They are loaded with pro prospects on both sides. I actually think they are as talented as Bama up and down their roster.

But for Haskins, I can't recall a QB having a more comfortable pocket and open receivers to throw to than Haskins this year. It was like 7 on 7 drills most games for OSU because the B1G was down this year.

While I certainly give him credit for making plays with his mobility, and showing decent accuracy, I think his production is highly skewed by his circumstances.

I wouldn't touch him in round one. I think there is definite upside, but still a real project. So if we draft him at #10, it would be a definite remote smasher.


If you wouldn't touch him in round 1, who would you draft instead? I'll give my response to what you wrote after I see your answer.
RE: Great QBs don’t come from great teams. They come from mediocre  
tyrik13 : 12/12/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14215639 Ivan15 said:
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Teams elevated to greater levels by the QB.

I wouldn’t pick a QB from Alabama or Ohio State.

Think about the Great QBs of the past 25 years. Brady is a fluke because Hanson was ahead of him.


So you're basically saying you're in the don't draft Tua camp, even though he's clearly going to be the top QB prospect in the draft next year. My question is why wouldn't you?
RE: Haskins is real raw  
tyrik13 : 12/12/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14215681 JonC said:
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I'd wager it knocks him down in the draft a bit. He's not yet a top 15 talent in my eyes.


He's more polished than Herbert is. He can read defenses and he goes through his progression very well. He keeps his eyes downfield and has a cannon as well as very very accurate and is mobile. How does this not scream top 15 to you? I don't understand...
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