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NFT: Yankees bringing JA Happ back

MattyKid : 12/12/2018 10:19 am
3 years, per Trade Rumors
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Happ option wont be team or player...  
Mike in St. Louis : 12/12/2018 9:25 pm : link
It will be done combo of games/innings/starts...
Cashman on Happ  
JPinstripes : 12/12/2018 9:47 pm : link
Brendan Kuty
‏Verified account @BrendanKutyNJ
5m5 minutes ago

Cashman on J.A. Happ: "He was a performer. He took the ball every five days. He was a competitor. He came as advertised, a real pro. Had a veteran presence within that clubhouse, knew exactly what was necessary and brought it every five days in the most competitive division ..."
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RE: I think it's great.  
Eman11 : 12/12/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14215991 yatqb said:
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He's a very competent 4th starter...most teams would be thrilled to have him as their 4th. Who cares about the 3rd year? If he's done they eat his money.


This is my thinking too. I'd much rather have him as our #4 and use the extra money elsewhere than pay 6/140 to Corbin who's NL era doesn't exactly scream confidence to me if he pitched in the AL East.
Among available options  
Dunedin81 : 12/12/2018 9:48 pm : link
Happ was probably the best for the lowest risk. Fine with the deal.
For those complaining about the Happe deal, imagine how we'd  
yatqb : 12/12/2018 10:14 pm : link
all feel if Happ signed elsewhere after we weren't able to land Corbin. I think we'd all be very worried about how Cashman was going to solve the SP problem. And there aren't a ton of SPs of competence in FA, certainly none who performed as well as Happ did in 2018.

Going two years plus an option is great news, but even at three years it would have been worth landing him because he's a competent starter. And one extra year with him is quite different than 6 with Corbin, regardless of their relative ages. Because if Corbin broke down in 2 years, for example, we'd still have 4 years left to pay him, while if Happ loses it suddenly, we're not committed as long term to him.
Very good deal for NYY  
JPinstripes : 12/12/2018 10:48 pm : link
Bob Nightengale
‏Verified account @BNightengale

The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
RE: Very good deal for NYY  
dune69 : 12/12/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14216647 JPinstripes said:
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Bob Nightengale
‏Verified account @BNightengale

The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million


JP- What's a vesting option? Is that a team option with a buyout clause?
It's about games started, or innings, or some such  
yatqb : 12/12/2018 11:01 pm : link
performance based vesting option.
RE: RE: Very good deal for NYY  
JPinstripes : 12/12/2018 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14216651 dune69 said:
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In comment 14216647 JPinstripes said:


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Bob Nightengale
‏Verified account @BNightengale

The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million



JP- What's a vesting option? Is that a team option with a buyout clause?


No details on Happ's deal yet but in general a vesting option is an optional year at the end of the contract that becomes guaranteed if the player reaches a certain performance incentive threshold.

Vesting options are typically based on playing time incentives such as plate appearances, innings pitched, games started or games finished.

It's a very good contract for the Yankees not giving 3 years without this "performance clause".
I understand vesting as a business term  
dune69 : 12/12/2018 11:07 pm : link
I guess my question is: is this a team decision on 3rd year? If team does not want third year, they have to pay some performance based buyout? Or is it a player option? Or is it just too early to ask?
Thanks JP  
dune69 : 12/12/2018 11:08 pm : link
makes sense as you explain. Thank you.
and yatqb  
dune69 : 12/12/2018 11:11 pm : link
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,,  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/12/2018 11:22 pm : link
Joel Sherman

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When done, Happs deal will be 2 yrs at $34M $17M each season with a $17M 2021 option based on games started or IP threshold in 2020. So could be 3 at $51M if maxes out #Yankees

You're welcome, dunde69, but JP's answer was much clearer!  
yatqb : 12/12/2018 11:26 pm : link
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Good deal  
GiantJake : 12/13/2018 12:14 am : link
I had a feeling that something mutually agreeable would be worked out. Happ wanted to stay and he threw the Yanks a bone by agreeing to a two year deal with a vesting option. If Happ is able to trigger the option, he is probably pitching well enough that the Yanks want him to stick around anyway. Good job, Cashman!
Will today be Sonny Day?  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 8:39 am : link
I don't mind Cash's patience in letting the bids develop, but these WMs have been awfully slow!
each  
Steve in Greenwich : 12/13/2018 8:51 am : link
year it seems like the market is taking slower and slower to develop. Even last year had more action at the Winter meetings than this year and last years market was historically slow to develop. Typically nothing gets done today either aside from the Rule 5 draft then everyone hits the road for home. Surprised we really haven't seen anything in way of a Sonny Gray trade; still really have no feel for what a trade package looks like for him. We've heard about a dozen teams who "may" be interested in him but nothing of any substance.
RE: Will today be Sonny Day?  
Carson53 : 12/13/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 14216798 bigbluehoya said:
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I don't mind Cash's patience in letting the bids develop, but these WMs have been awfully slow!
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Cash should have not thrown Gray's name out there as soon
as the season was over. He didn't do himself any favors trying to move him.
I just don't see any advantage in announcing to the baseball world, that it didn't work here, and I'm moving him.
Sometimes Cash can be transparent to a fault.
He will move him eventually, just saying.
RE: Happ option wont be team or player...  
Carson53 : 12/13/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 14216600 Mike in St. Louis said:
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It will be done combo of games/innings/starts...
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That is known as a vesting option in the business.
Feels like the Indians are going to rattle off  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 12:48 pm : link
some moves.

Just did a 3-way deal:

Indians get: Carlos Santana, Jake Bauers
Mariners get: Edwin Encarnacion
Rays get: Yandy Diaz

A bit odd on Cleveland's part. Save a few bucks this year, but add another year with Santana, albeit effectively at $12.5M when you factor in Edwin's buyout.

More oddly, leaves Indians with Santana, Alonso, Bauers all at 1B. I know that Santana has played OF in his career and CLE has a need there, but I can't imagine that they're penciling him in at OF on anything more than an occasional basis.
AND  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 12:48 pm : link
effectively leaves Cleveland with no MLB-ready 3B on the roster. HMMMMMM.
Ramirez can play 3B  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 12:50 pm : link
but then without a 2B. 2B market is deep though.

No matter how you cut it, Cleveland still has some chicken left on the bone.
It all just makes too much sense  
Greg from LI : 12/13/2018 1:00 pm : link
Everyone expects the Yankees to sign Machado (Passan was the latest to predict it).

The Indians have let it be known that they want to trade a starter.

Signing Machado would make Andujar expendable.

The Indians have a hole at third base.
A bonus  
Jay in Toronto : 12/13/2018 1:05 pm : link
Happ's cousin is the starting center for the Badgers. He will probably be in the NBA. He would be close to a lottery pick if he had a shot, LOL.
RE: AND  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14217396 bigbluehoya said:
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effectively leaves Cleveland with no MLB-ready 3B on the roster. HMMMMMM.


? Jose Ramirez started 137 games at 3b in 2018.. what am I missing?
2020  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 1:11 pm : link
and beyond the Indians likely move Ramirez to 2b and Gorman the 3b but Ramirez is a 3b and they still have Kipnis on the roster. Internally Chang is probably MLB ready so conceivably they could move Ramirez back to 2b and Chang 3b.
RE: It all just makes too much sense  
section125 : 12/13/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14217418 Greg from LI said:
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Everyone expects the Yankees to sign Machado (Passan was the latest to predict it).

The Indians have let it be known that they want to trade a starter.

Signing Machado would make Andujar expendable.

The Indians have a hole at third base.


Greg and BBH, Andujar and +??? for Kluber? Is that your reasoned surmise?

Who would the ??? be. Would be more than one, maybe two prospects?
The Yankees loose 6 players in the rule 5 draft  
JPinstripes : 12/13/2018 1:13 pm : link
Not sure which are minor/major league related... Green is interesting, sinker baller with high spin rate 2-3 good off speed pitches.

Bryan Hoch
‏Verified account @BryanHoch

1m1 minute ago

#Yankees Rule 5 Draft recap:

RHP Nick Green to ARI
C Chris Rabago to KC
RHP Gilmael Troya to PHI
RHP Anyelo Gomez to BOS
OF Mark Payton to OAK
RHP Alexander Vargas to CHC

NYY select RHP Adonis De la Cruz from SEA.
RE: RE: AND  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14217431 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14217396 bigbluehoya said:


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effectively leaves Cleveland with no MLB-ready 3B on the roster. HMMMMMM.



? Jose Ramirez started 137 games at 3b in 2018.. what am I missing?


Thought I had read that they wanted to move him back to 2B. But 3B definitely an option for him, brain fart on my part.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 1:16 pm : link
don't pay for the Athletic but I heard Sarris had a piece up yesterday which basically implied it wouldn't be the worst idea for the Yankees to sell high on Andujar if another team thinks he's going to improve X amount.
Andujar, Florial, and an arm  
Greg from LI : 12/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
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Here  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 1:18 pm : link
is the article, again I haven't even read it outside of a blurb
Link - ( New Window )
that's pretty much where I'm at Dan  
Greg from LI : 12/13/2018 1:20 pm : link
I like Andujar's bat quite a bit. I think he's a legit now and could get better if he can adapt to a more selective approach. I have serious doubts that he's ever much of a third baseman, though, because his biggest problem is reflexes. He just always seemed to react a half-second late.
Never heard of the player but welcome another Tyler....  
JPinstripes : 12/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
Emily Waldon
‏ @EmilyCWaldon
9m9 minutes ago

Per source, #Tigers have traded Rule 5 selection Tyler Hill to the #Yankees.
RE: Andujar, Florial, and an arm  
section125 : 12/13/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14217447 Greg from LI said:
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Not totally unreasonable, I suppose. He will be 33 in April. Probably 3 years of very good pitching. WOuld make for a heck of a staff and wouldn't need to worry about CC.
If there's a way  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 1:45 pm : link
to keep either Florial or Andujar while adding Kluber, I'd be ecstatic.

something like:

Andujar / Loaisiga / Frazier / King

for

Kluber / Kipnis or Kluber / Santana or Kluber / Alonso


If push really came to shove, I am a big enough Kluber fan that I'd go Andujar / Florial / King. I need to keep Loaisiga and Frazier in that case.

RE: Never heard of the player but welcome another Tyler....  
rich in DC : 12/13/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14217485 JPinstripes said:
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Emily Waldon
‏ @EmilyCWaldon
9m9 minutes ago

Per source, #Tigers have traded Rule 5 selection Tyler Hill to the #Yankees.


Remember that this is from the minor league portion of the draft- so the Yanks get to keep this guy no matter what. Since he played high A ball last year, might go to AA next year.

Interesting player to get for near nothing- good OBP, some speed- but no power at all and made 8 OF errors last year.
RE: If there's a way  
section125 : 12/13/2018 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14217506 bigbluehoya said:
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to keep either Florial or Andujar while adding Kluber, I'd be ecstatic.

something like:

Andujar / Loaisiga / Frazier / King

for

Kluber / Kipnis or Kluber / Santana or Kluber / Alonso


If push really came to shove, I am a big enough Kluber fan that I'd go Andujar / Florial / King. I need to keep Loaisiga and Frazier in that case.


Boy oh boy, the cupboard is getting very bare....
RE: It all just makes too much sense  
rich in DC : 12/13/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14217418 Greg from LI said:
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Everyone expects the Yankees to sign Machado (Passan was the latest to predict it).

The Indians have let it be known that they want to trade a starter.

Signing Machado would make Andujar expendable.

The Indians have a hole at third base.


Keep in mind that signing Machado doesn't require a second move. The Yanks COULD decide to just put Machado at SS for 3-4 months while Didi rehabs and keep everyone else where they are.

Machado's SS play improved dramatically when he went to the Dodgers. The O's didn't really use defensive positioning based on analytics- and the Dodgers do use it. Saves a guy a step or two when he's in the right spot based on the numbers.

Allows the Yanks to punt on any big decisions until August or so. If Machado at SS and Andujar at 3B doesn't work out, the Yanks could move Andujar for whatever they need at the trade deadline and move Machado to 3B, Torres to SS and whoever at 2B.
well, they graduated some propsects and traded a bunch  
Greg from LI : 12/13/2018 1:59 pm : link
The low levels are pretty flush with talent, but you're right that A+ through AAA are fairly barren.
Well they still need  
section125 : 12/13/2018 2:04 pm : link
two relievers and either a SS or 2B. Was just reading RAB. I get the impression Mike doesn't feel they will go for Machado the way he talks about the luxury tax limit and current salary # situation.
Missing on Corbin was not good, but not getting Machado would be a kick in the gnads...
the MLB roster is also  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 2:16 pm : link
going to be good enough, and locked-up enough that they don't need a ton of graduation in the next 1-3 years. They have plenty of time to let the youth simmer - there are some real upside players in those lower levels. There will be some risers.

At this point, a trade for Kluber and signing of Machado has to make the Yankees about even money to win 1 of the next 3 WS, with the chance to really do better.

And even after that mini window, you have a an awesome corps of late-20s talent, with some other big salaries coming off of the books creating flexibility (Tanaka, Happ, Kluber, Chapman, Ells).

That's almost $100M/year freed up. Sure there are corresponding holes, but the flexibility is key...they'll be able to lock up the players that they want to. And hopefully at that point some of the now 17-19 year olds that are really raw have risen.


From Jon Heyman  
Anando : 12/13/2018 2:53 pm : link
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J.A. Happ: 17M in 2019, 17M in 2020, 17M vesting option in 2021. 34M guaranteed. #yanks
I'm eager to see what the vesting conditions are  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 2:57 pm : link
for the third year.
RE: I'm eager to see what the vesting conditions are  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14217611 bigbluehoya said:
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for the third year.


Yes, EAGER. That's how slow the Winter Meetings have been!
RE: I'm eager to see what the vesting conditions are  
CromartiesKid21 : 12/13/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14217611 bigbluehoya said:
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for the third year.


Happs $17M 2021 option triggers with 165 IP or 27 starts in 2020 #Yankees.
RE: RE: I'm eager to see what the vesting conditions are  
bigbluehoya : 12/13/2018 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14217620 CromartiesKid21 said:
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In comment 14217611 bigbluehoya said:


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for the third year.



Happs $17M 2021 option triggers with 165 IP or 27 starts in 2020 #Yankees.


Thanks, Cro. Pretty low bar.
RE: RE: RE: I'm eager to see what the vesting conditions are  
CromartiesKid21 : 12/13/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14217627 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 14217620 CromartiesKid21 said:


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In comment 14217611 bigbluehoya said:


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for the third year.



Happs $17M 2021 option triggers with 165 IP or 27 starts in 2020 #Yankees.



Thanks, Cro. Pretty low bar.


If Happ loses velocity and becomes ineffective no reason he can't be quickly replaced in the rotation to insure the 3rd year option never vests
RE: RE: I'm eager to see what the vesting conditions are  
dune69 : 12/13/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14217620 CromartiesKid21 said:
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In comment 14217611 bigbluehoya said:


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for the third year.



Happs $17M 2021 option triggers with 165 IP or 27 starts in 2020 #Yankees.


That's fair. If he's not performing, he won't get the innings/starts. My guess is he'll be pretty good.
Happ On?  
Percy : 12/13/2018 7:34 pm : link
Good. Now get on with it. More on the mound starting is needed. A defensive star at third base, too.
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