Mixed feelings here. They held tight to a 5 year offer on Corbin, not wanting a 6th year when he'll be 34. But they're ok with a third year on Happ when he'll be 38? He's a good pitcher though so I don't hate it. Just seems odd. Hopefully this doesn't mean they're out of the trade market for a SP though.
Happ as a solid 4th starter is fine. But if the Yankees offseason ends with Paxton, Happ, and a stopgap for Didi after they cleared all that money for the luxury tax, we can safely say we all know what Hal is about and wait for the inevitable sale of the Yankees at some point so he can cash out.
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
Would have been really happy with 2 years. Don't love it for 3. Need to see the AAV.
He is backtracking now...saying it is not done...Joel Sherman says the hang up is teams offering him 2 years and Happ wants 3.
Hopefully we can hold firm on 2 and get it done there. I still don't hate it if it's 3... would obviously prefer 2, though. I think that's the sweet spot on Happ.
but IF they go into the season with a 4/5 of Happ and CC, they've really passed up a major opportunity to put together a top rotation, and they're begging for another Wild Card.
Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
This seems to be an insurance move. I expect to see more additions, particularly when you consider CC's health issues and the team possibly going to a six man rotation.
but IF they go into the season with a 4/5 of Happ and CC, they've really passed up a major opportunity to put together a top rotation, and they're begging for another Wild Card.
Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
Still hoping for a splash pitcher like Kluber on top of this. Put together a package centered around Andujar/Florial and get it done.
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Same, hes the type of pitcher where age is less of a concern, hes not throwing gas. Reliable 4th starter, with good enough stuff to be a 3rd starter on a good team. Id rather have him than not and I like t a lot better than Corbin for 6.
I would have really liked it for 2 years, eh on 3, however a guy like him isn't going to lose much in his older years. He's a pitcher, not just a thrower and he's a crafty lefty.
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
Would be nice if the 3rd yr is an option based on performance.
Now package Gray, Frazier and another minor league player for Kluber. Sign Manny for 7 yr/$195 mil. Trade Staton to the Dodgers for whatever you can get and sign Harper for 10 yr/ $300 mil and call it an off season.
I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
If he sucks by year three he won't pitch. The Yankees will pay him to be a long reliever. The third year does nothing to their overall strategy or future moves.
Seems like most people would have been fine with this
if it were for 2 years. Does the third year really matter that much? So they eat a year on the back end, given what he's likely to make it's not really going to change anything.
I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
Hal is not George
Becoming more and more clear, for better or worse.
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.
paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).
and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.
a 3rd year to get him, the way the Phils were supposedly
pursuing him. I rather have him than bring back that fatass, Lance Lynn with no secondary pitches to speak of.
I never thought someone like a Morton would wind up here.
Now, move on to relief help.
RE: Seems like most people would have been fine with this
if it were for 2 years. Does the third year really matter that much? So they eat a year on the back end, given what he's likely to make it's not really going to change anything.
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Happ has been durable, at least 25+ starts the last five years. So while a 3rd year doesn't excite most, including me, I wouldn't be overly concerned.
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.
paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).
and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.
For me, it's a "WOOF".
His Yankee sample size is incredibly small. Might as well get rid of Beckham by that playoff logic.
NYY must have something in mind because they don't really have long term commitments at this point to ANY pitchers, and it's clear they are trying to avoid them.
According to Sporttrac:
Tanaka: 2 years control
CC: 1 year
Gray: 1 year
Paxton: 2 years
Sevy: 3 years
Yes, they have multiple years on guys like German, Montgomery, and Bridwell.
So what's the plan? Is this the new strategy for them - agree to long-term contracts with position players but limit the lengths of your contracts with SP?
the biggest thing with the pitching this year is getting Severino
I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it.
Frankly, I just strongly don't like his profile (fastballs, fly balls) for the Yankees. I was pissed about the playoff start, but I'd never chase him out of town for that alone.
"According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, Yankees GM Brian Cashman met with Adam Ottavino's agent on Tuesday night at the Winter Meetings.
MLB.com's Jon Morosi just reported that the Mets and Red Sox are showing "continued interest" in Ottavino, but they're obviously not alone in the pursuit. Sherman says it is "clear" that the 33-year-old reliever is high on the Yankees' wish list. Ottavino, a native of New York City, registered a 2.43 ERA with 112 strikeouts over 77 2/3 innings out of the Rockies' bullpen in 2018."
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I don't think resigning Happ removes them from the conversations
around the big SP on the trade market. If anything, it may give them leverage as they become less desperate. Maybe they've found the Indians and others to be asking for the moon because they sensed desperation from the Yankees.
What I like about Happ:
Still a good pitcher (especiall in the 3 or 4 slot)
Extensive exp pithcing in the AL East
Extensive exp pitching vs Boston
Familiar with Yankee Stadium
Exp pitching in the playoffs (not much but some)
We do not have to give up a single prospect for him now.
Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
Pray he isn't our best pitcher. Pray hard.
I was a Corbin proponent. Would have much rather paid the $24M for Corbin than (likely) $16M for Happ + $8M for CC. Yes, term matters, but the "can't go 6 years" rings a bit hollow when we're inking Happ until his 39th birthday. I do understand the risks with Corbin, I thought they were well worth taking for the wealthiest team in the game.
If Happ is our #5, you won't hear another peep of complaint from me. For now, I worry that they may resign themselves to him being the 4, and adding a Lance Lynn type for #6/bullpen. 4/5/6 of Happ/CC/Lynn would represent a poor offseason IMO.
I get the fact that happ wasnt a force in the postseason
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Also Happ has grown into a durable abv-avg SP: Over last 4 yrs, his 121 ERA-plus is 16th in MLB (min 600 IP) between 15. Gerrit Cole (122) and 17. Cole Hamels (120). #Yankees
in trades. Cashman has proven lately that he is willing to walk away from the table when the price gets too steep. Pitchers are a gamble. They get hurt. The Yankees had a real good look at Happ last season. He loved it here and wanted to come back. The feeling was obviously mutual. Sevy, Paxson, Tanaka, Happ, CC AND Sonny Gray (for the time being) with guys like German, Loiasiga, King, Adams, Acevedo, Stephan, etc. working their way up. Jordan Montgomery should be an option at some point, as well.
Yanks obviously in on manny which would mean andujar will be packaged along with prospects for an arm. Happ is great to have back as a back end rotation guy. You can do a lot worse.
We need innings from a calm dependable guy during a season we might be close to the Red Sox from beginning to end.
He is a professional. Allows us to deal with an injury. Allows Montgomery to emerge at a smart non rushed pace. Becomes the 6th/spot starter as a 38 year old who wins 10 games when rain delays pile up making it hard to keep the other guys on schedule.
Yankees are less desperate...and other teams now are more desperate. Allows us to trade a lower level pitching prospect some other team falls in love with. Allows us to freely depart with Gray at our price instead of need a pitcher back for Gray.
Its not a franchise making move or a playoff chip...its the kind of smart depth signing that top teams make
Now lets make a bigger move that gives us competitive advantage
Cashman is fun to watch lately. At the July deadline he got a bunch of no name pieces that were contributors. Filling in the depth with the right pieces wins over 164 games
He's a very competent 4th starter...most teams would be thrilled to have him as their 4th. Who cares about the 3rd year? If he's done they eat his money.
makes the Yankees feel better about signing say Manny sooner rather than later. Seeing they have a solid four arms. I also think if the Yanks are going to trade for a pitcher they might want to sign Manny first esp if they are thinking of dealing Andujar. I think this would be a easier way of getting a solid number 1/2 starter.
I'm fine either way because I want to bring him back
but I wonder if the 3rd year is a vesting option. In a non-capped league who cares about the 3rd year. Sure it may hinder cheap Hal a bit but if we are going for it I doubt it.
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Keep this in mind: If #Yankees are trying to push to finish line with Happ, it means they've done enough work to believe cant find deal they're comfortable with for Kluber/Noah. Signing Happ would allow to potentially save prospects now if must find that ace at July deadline
That is a great point. If you don't have to do anything, at the half way mark some teams with SP are hopelessly behind for the season and more amenable to trade ( Bumgarner comes to mind as an example). That's how Houston got Verlander.
That is a great point. If you don't have to do anything, at the half way mark some teams with SP are hopelessly behind for the season and more amenable to trade ( Bumgarner comes to mind as an example). That's how Houston got Verlander.
Plus Didi might not be back until August, so exchanging Manny for Andujar now still leaves you with a hole.
Realistically, regardless of whether we land another frontline starter
this is a good move. Happ and CC are #4 and #5 right now. How many teams have that level of quality, even at their ages, in their rotations. Paxton already improved our front of the rotation. Tanaka moving down to #3 is solid.
im good with this move, but IMO still need to work for a front end starter now.
if they get kluber, bumg, or thor...then you can truly say we made SIGNIFICANT improvements to the rotation
kluber/bumg/thor
paxton
sevy
happ
tanaka
now that is a formidable staff and one that easily is up their with the best in the game.
some people saying wait until the deadline, but what if it takes andujar to get one of those top guys?! signing MM has to happen now, i think waiting could be trouble.
let the ink dry a sec on happ and see if teams lower their asking as yanks arent as desperate. ultimately, it would be great to swing a deal with florial/andujar for a top end guy and then focus on bringing in MM
That is a great point. If you don't have to do anything, at the half way mark some teams with SP are hopelessly behind for the season and more amenable to trade ( Bumgarner comes to mind as an example). That's how Houston got Verlander.
Plus Didi might not be back until August, so exchanging Manny for Andujar now still leaves you with a hole.
Its a hole thats easily filled though.
Sign Machado, move Torres to short and sign a stop gap player like Marwin Gonzalez to play 2nd or, use Tyler Wade until Didi is back.
See if Andujar improves at plate discipline (because then we have a special weapon at 24 years old) while MM is at Shortstop and then trade either Didi or Andujar for a front line SP. Why not have options and see how it all plays out?
Id also trade Frazier after he shows up well in spring training and not now as an injured player. There is a scenario which trades Frazier and Ellsbury making some other team an instant better than average outfield
Would be an excellent signing, FUCK MACHADO, keep Andujar, it will be a move that the Yanks regret, just like the stupid move for Stanton, an albatross contract, but people here want another albatross contract, then when the time comes for Judge and Sanchez, and Andujar, and Torres, and Severino we will hear the crying. We need Happ, he pitches one fucking bad game in the playoffs and the fans use that as the reason, forget that he pitched great for two months, no, he had a bad start. Unreal. Andujar and come close to being every bit as good as Machado over the next 4 years, and for a fraction of the cost. His defense will improve, third base is a very tough position, he will be much better this year alone defensively.
I doubt Cabrarra or Cano had rookie seasons like Andujar
Would be an excellent signing, FUCK MACHADO, keep Andujar, it will be a move that the Yanks regret, just like the stupid move for Stanton, an albatross contract, but people here want another albatross contract, then when the time comes for Judge and Sanchez, and Andujar, and Torres, and Severino we will hear the crying. We need Happ, he pitches one fucking bad game in the playoffs and the fans use that as the reason, forget that he pitched great for two months, no, he had a bad start. Unreal. Andujar and come close to being every bit as good as Machado over the next 4 years, and for a fraction of the cost. His defense will improve, third base is a very tough position, he will be much better this year alone defensively.
Put down the crack pipe, Machado is a superstar entering his prime years coming off a 5.7 WAR season and 33.8 WAR at age 26. He is a future hall of fame talent entering his prime years and this is exactly the type of player the Yankees money needs to be spent on - period. Yes and on top of Stanton and etc big fucking deal...
Andujar is irrelevant at this point to signing Machado since the Yankees need a SS until Didi returns which could be August 2019, so no decision has to be made on the extra pieces in the infield until late in the year or next year.
You sign Machado when you have the chance if you are the New York Yankees, every time and anytime at age 26.
they were stuck playing from a very weak position. The 5 starters the Yankees have right now are all question marks but what starters aren't. I'll guess the Yankee will have to use 7 or 8 different starters this year with this rotation. Hopefully King or another one of the kids can help because I never want to see Cessa start again and Cashman is determined to have been right about him.
but i would be fine with Wade playing SS until Didi got back. Bat him 9th and give him 90 games to see if there's anything there in MLB. He has been very good at AAA and has a great glove and is extremely fast.
Houston seemed mildly concerned about Morton's shoulder FWIW - that signing looks good on paper for TB, but there's certainly a chance he won't hold up and the Yanks may have also avoided getting involved for that reason.
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Happ is a good pitcher and durable. We all would have prefered Corbin. But he signed with the Phillies for more than the Yanks wanted to spend. Wanted 2 years, but they have to give 3 to get him. Teams eat contracts all the time. So it locks up a pretty nice staff. Now go get Kluber to make it a killer staff.
Couple BS posts here. Somebody said he topped out at 93 mph. Bullshit, he was a consistent 94 in his starts. Seems trivial, but there is a huge difference between tops out at 93 and sits at a consistent 94.
Second, losing your shit because he lost to the Red Sox in the playoffs. Yeah and Severino got crushed. In case nobody noticed, the Red Sox destroyed everyone this year. Yes we heard he is a Red Sox killer. Happens, baseball is played on the field.
Happ is a durable, consistent, unflappable pitcher. I am glad he will be back.
Believe it or not, its OK to make criticism of moves the team makes. Its a little more fun when you think independently and form your own opinions rather than just towing the company line on every move. Try it out.
His fastball averaged 92 and change mph in 2018 according to what Im seeing. He definitely wasnt living around 94.
Believe it or not, its OK to make criticism of moves the team makes. Its a little more fun when you think independently and form your own opinions rather than just towing the company line on every move. Try it out.
His fastball averaged 92 and change mph in 2018 according to what Im seeing. He definitely wasnt living around 94.
Oooo, independent thinking. My independent thinking says it is a good signing. Not the best, but pretty good.
He sat consistently at 94 every game I watched.
******"I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it." *****
Was jammed down our throat? Who JAMMED it down our throat. Well guess what - he does have a very good record against the Sox. But, Severino is deemed an Ace - yet he shit the bed in 2017 against the Twins and 2018 against the Sox. Pitchers don't win 100% of the games they pitch. Sometimes the other team has a good day.
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Happ is a good pitcher and durable. We all would have prefered Corbin. But he signed with the Phillies for more than the Yanks wanted to spend. Wanted 2 years, but they have to give 3 to get him. Teams eat contracts all the time. So it locks up a pretty nice staff. Now go get Kluber to make it a killer staff.
Couple BS posts here. Somebody said he topped out at 93 mph. Bullshit, he was a consistent 94 in his starts. Seems trivial, but there is a huge difference between tops out at 93 and sits at a consistent 94.
Second, losing your shit because he lost to the Red Sox in the playoffs. Yeah and Severino got crushed. In case nobody noticed, the Red Sox destroyed everyone this year. Yes we heard he is a Red Sox killer. Happens, baseball is played on the field.
Happ is a durable, consistent, unflappable pitcher. I am glad he will be back.
I'm with you on this. Happ wasn't the first guy on my list, but he was on there. We could do a hell of a lot worse than Happ.
Now, if they could finally figure out how to sign Machado and/or Harper, that'd be great.
And 92-93 in the data. In either case, we can hopefully agree that theres a good chance its 91-92 for the final 2 years of the deal.
Im glad you love the signing. I wont re-hash the reasons Im concerned about it; Ive drawn my line if hes the 5th starter on opening day, not a peep from me, like Ive said. If hes the fourth starter on opening day, they should have done better.
In either case, the third year is undesirable. Not a big deal if theyre willing to spend to the gills, Im all for that. Doesnt jibe well with the responsibility message they seem to be preaching.
Guys, both of you are great Yankee fans and posters. Both of you walk a good line of passion and being analytically balanced and fair minded to other posters. Hope we get back to that place.
if he is the 4th starter it will be temporary and better than whoever is our 5th. if he is fifth someone is in the minors having the time they need to develop.
2 years plus an option year would be perfect - hopefully it's a team option. But even if it's not, I'm fine with it - I'm not going to lose my shit over an extra year.
I do hope we're still gunning for another TOR SP, though. If we could find some way to make that happen and add Machado on top of it, I love where we're sitting.
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Im glad you love the signing. I wont re-hash the reasons Im concerned about it; Ive drawn my line if hes the 5th starter on opening day, not a peep from me, like Ive said. If hes the fourth starter on opening day, they should have done better.
In either case, the third year is undesirable. Not a big deal if theyre willing to spend to the gills, Im all for that. Doesnt jibe well with the responsibility message they seem to be preaching.
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Where did I say I loved the signing? Big difference between love and good. And I am happy with it. He is a good #4 and a very good #5. If Happ were the #5, that would be great. The guy was 6-1 with a less than 3 ERA, IIRC, in his 1/2 season here. That is good.
FWIW, Andy Pettitte had only 88-89 his last year.
I agree with you on the 3rd year, you are right. However, eating a 3rd year at $12 or $15 mill is not bad. It takes two to get a contract. After Corbin, Happ was the best pitcher on the market and would not cost prospects. I am hopefully they go after Kluber, that would be the best outcome.
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Yankee GM Brian Cashman seemed to leave the door open for a possible pursuit of Bryce Harper in an interview on YES tonight but after doing some digging, I come back to the same conclusion: they do not have interest in Harper. Machado still on radar.
Guys, both of you are great Yankee fans and posters. Both of you walk a good line of passion and being analytically balanced and fair minded to other posters. Hope we get back to that place.
if he is the 4th starter it will be temporary and better than whoever is our 5th. if he is fifth someone is in the minors having the time they need to develop.
it's all good.
Bill, not only are you an astute Yankee fan but, one hell of a mediator and all around nice dude. Always enjoy reading your posts.
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Cashman on J.A. Happ: "He was a performer. He took the ball every five days. He was a competitor. He came as advertised, a real pro. Had a veteran presence within that clubhouse, knew exactly what was necessary and brought it every five days in the most competitive division ..."
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He's a very competent 4th starter...most teams would be thrilled to have him as their 4th. Who cares about the 3rd year? If he's done they eat his money.
This is my thinking too. I'd much rather have him as our #4 and use the extra money elsewhere than pay 6/140 to Corbin who's NL era doesn't exactly scream confidence to me if he pitched in the AL East.
all feel if Happ signed elsewhere after we weren't able to land Corbin. I think we'd all be very worried about how Cashman was going to solve the SP problem. And there aren't a ton of SPs of competence in FA, certainly none who performed as well as Happ did in 2018.
Going two years plus an option is great news, but even at three years it would have been worth landing him because he's a competent starter. And one extra year with him is quite different than 6 with Corbin, regardless of their relative ages. Because if Corbin broke down in 2 years, for example, we'd still have 4 years left to pay him, while if Happ loses it suddenly, we're not committed as long term to him.
The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
JP- What's a vesting option? Is that a team option with a buyout clause?
No details on Happ's deal yet but in general a vesting option is an optional year at the end of the contract that becomes guaranteed if the player reaches a certain performance incentive threshold.
Vesting options are typically based on playing time incentives such as plate appearances, innings pitched, games started or games finished.
It's a very good contract for the Yankees not giving 3 years without this "performance clause".
I guess my question is: is this a team decision on 3rd year? If team does not want third year, they have to pay some performance based buyout? Or is it a player option? Or is it just too early to ask?
When done, Happs deal will be 2 yrs at $34M $17M each season with a $17M 2021 option based on games started or IP threshold in 2020. So could be 3 at $51M if maxes out #Yankees
You're welcome, dunde69, but JP's answer was much clearer!
I had a feeling that something mutually agreeable would be worked out. Happ wanted to stay and he threw the Yanks a bone by agreeing to a two year deal with a vesting option. If Happ is able to trigger the option, he is probably pitching well enough that the Yanks want him to stick around anyway. Good job, Cashman!
year it seems like the market is taking slower and slower to develop. Even last year had more action at the Winter meetings than this year and last years market was historically slow to develop. Typically nothing gets done today either aside from the Rule 5 draft then everyone hits the road for home. Surprised we really haven't seen anything in way of a Sonny Gray trade; still really have no feel for what a trade package looks like for him. We've heard about a dozen teams who "may" be interested in him but nothing of any substance.
I don't mind Cash's patience in letting the bids develop, but these WMs have been awfully slow!
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Cash should have not thrown Gray's name out there as soon
as the season was over. He didn't do himself any favors trying to move him.
I just don't see any advantage in announcing to the baseball world, that it didn't work here, and I'm moving him.
Sometimes Cash can be transparent to a fault.
He will move him eventually, just saying.
A bit odd on Cleveland's part. Save a few bucks this year, but add another year with Santana, albeit effectively at $12.5M when you factor in Edwin's buyout.
More oddly, leaves Indians with Santana, Alonso, Bauers all at 1B. I know that Santana has played OF in his career and CLE has a need there, but I can't imagine that they're penciling him in at OF on anything more than an occasional basis.
and beyond the Indians likely move Ramirez to 2b and Gorman the 3b but Ramirez is a 3b and they still have Kipnis on the roster. Internally Chang is probably MLB ready so conceivably they could move Ramirez back to 2b and Chang 3b.
don't pay for the Athletic but I heard Sarris had a piece up yesterday which basically implied it wouldn't be the worst idea for the Yankees to sell high on Andujar if another team thinks he's going to improve X amount.
I like Andujar's bat quite a bit. I think he's a legit now and could get better if he can adapt to a more selective approach. I have serious doubts that he's ever much of a third baseman, though, because his biggest problem is reflexes. He just always seemed to react a half-second late.
Never heard of the player but welcome another Tyler....
Not totally unreasonable, I suppose. He will be 33 in April. Probably 3 years of very good pitching. WOuld make for a heck of a staff and wouldn't need to worry about CC.
Per source, #Tigers have traded Rule 5 selection Tyler Hill to the #Yankees.
Remember that this is from the minor league portion of the draft- so the Yanks get to keep this guy no matter what. Since he played high A ball last year, might go to AA next year.
Interesting player to get for near nothing- good OBP, some speed- but no power at all and made 8 OF errors last year.
Everyone expects the Yankees to sign Machado (Passan was the latest to predict it).
The Indians have let it be known that they want to trade a starter.
Signing Machado would make Andujar expendable.
The Indians have a hole at third base.
Keep in mind that signing Machado doesn't require a second move. The Yanks COULD decide to just put Machado at SS for 3-4 months while Didi rehabs and keep everyone else where they are.
Machado's SS play improved dramatically when he went to the Dodgers. The O's didn't really use defensive positioning based on analytics- and the Dodgers do use it. Saves a guy a step or two when he's in the right spot based on the numbers.
Allows the Yanks to punt on any big decisions until August or so. If Machado at SS and Andujar at 3B doesn't work out, the Yanks could move Andujar for whatever they need at the trade deadline and move Machado to 3B, Torres to SS and whoever at 2B.
well, they graduated some propsects and traded a bunch
two relievers and either a SS or 2B. Was just reading RAB. I get the impression Mike doesn't feel they will go for Machado the way he talks about the luxury tax limit and current salary # situation.
Missing on Corbin was not good, but not getting Machado would be a kick in the gnads...
going to be good enough, and locked-up enough that they don't need a ton of graduation in the next 1-3 years. They have plenty of time to let the youth simmer - there are some real upside players in those lower levels. There will be some risers.
At this point, a trade for Kluber and signing of Machado has to make the Yankees about even money to win 1 of the next 3 WS, with the chance to really do better.
And even after that mini window, you have a an awesome corps of late-20s talent, with some other big salaries coming off of the books creating flexibility (Tanaka, Happ, Kluber, Chapman, Ells).
That's almost $100M/year freed up. Sure there are corresponding holes, but the flexibility is key...they'll be able to lock up the players that they want to. And hopefully at that point some of the now 17-19 year olds that are really raw have risen.
Please come in with a better offer, Philly!!
Paxton
Tanaka
Happ
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Not too bad...need another starter though. Can't count on Paxton staying healthy, CC is one year older and Sevy faded last year.
He is backtracking now...saying it is not done...Joel Sherman says the hang up is teams offering him 2 years and Happ wants 3.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
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Would have been really happy with 2 years. Don't love it for 3. Need to see the AAV.
He is backtracking now...saying it is not done...Joel Sherman says the hang up is teams offering him 2 years and Happ wants 3.
Hopefully we can hold firm on 2 and get it done there. I still don't hate it if it's 3... would obviously prefer 2, though. I think that's the sweet spot on Happ.
Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
...J.A. Happ can still be a very productive starter.
I have no problem with this!
Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
Still hoping for a splash pitcher like Kluber on top of this. Put together a package centered around Andujar/Florial and get it done.
Kluber
Severino
Paxton
Tanaka
Happ
Sign Machado. Go win a World Series.
Same, hes the type of pitcher where age is less of a concern, hes not throwing gas. Reliable 4th starter, with good enough stuff to be a 3rd starter on a good team. Id rather have him than not and I like t a lot better than Corbin for 6.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
Now package Gray, Frazier and another minor league player for Kluber. Sign Manny for 7 yr/$195 mil. Trade Staton to the Dodgers for whatever you can get and sign Harper for 10 yr/ $300 mil and call it an off season.
Come on Cash. "Get'er done!".
Hal is not George
And this thing doesn't even sound like it's imminent yet since the Yankees are holding tight to two years. Media definitely jumped the gun
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I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
Hal is not George
Becoming more and more clear, for better or worse.
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away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.
paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).
and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.
For me, it's a "WOOF".
pursuing him. I rather have him than bring back that fatass, Lance Lynn with no secondary pitches to speak of.
I never thought someone like a Morton would wind up here.
Now, move on to relief help.
Happ has been durable, at least 25+ starts the last five years. So while a 3rd year doesn't excite most, including me, I wouldn't be overly concerned.
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away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.
paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).
and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.
For me, it's a "WOOF".
His Yankee sample size is incredibly small. Might as well get rid of Beckham by that playoff logic.
According to Sporttrac:
Tanaka: 2 years control
CC: 1 year
Gray: 1 year
Paxton: 2 years
Sevy: 3 years
Yes, they have multiple years on guys like German, Montgomery, and Bridwell.
So what's the plan? Is this the new strategy for them - agree to long-term contracts with position players but limit the lengths of your contracts with SP?
I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it.
Frankly, I just strongly don't like his profile (fastballs, fly balls) for the Yankees. I was pissed about the playoff start, but I'd never chase him out of town for that alone.
MLB.com's Jon Morosi just reported that the Mets and Red Sox are showing "continued interest" in Ottavino, but they're obviously not alone in the pursuit. Sherman says it is "clear" that the 33-year-old reliever is high on the Yankees' wish list. Ottavino, a native of New York City, registered a 2.43 ERA with 112 strikeouts over 77 2/3 innings out of the Rockies' bullpen in 2018."
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Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
Still a good pitcher (especiall in the 3 or 4 slot)
Extensive exp pithcing in the AL East
Extensive exp pitching vs Boston
Familiar with Yankee Stadium
Exp pitching in the playoffs (not much but some)
We do not have to give up a single prospect for him now.
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Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
If he's our best pitcher, we're in trouble!
his numbers took a downturn at the end of the year due to overuse
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Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
Pray he isn't our best pitcher. Pray hard.
I was a Corbin proponent. Would have much rather paid the $24M for Corbin than (likely) $16M for Happ + $8M for CC. Yes, term matters, but the "can't go 6 years" rings a bit hollow when we're inking Happ until his 39th birthday. I do understand the risks with Corbin, I thought they were well worth taking for the wealthiest team in the game.
If Happ is our #5, you won't hear another peep of complaint from me. For now, I worry that they may resign themselves to him being the 4, and adding a Lance Lynn type for #6/bullpen. 4/5/6 of Happ/CC/Lynn would represent a poor offseason IMO.
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Also Happ has grown into a durable abv-avg SP: Over last 4 yrs, his 121 ERA-plus is 16th in MLB (min 600 IP) between 15. Gerrit Cole (122) and 17. Cole Hamels (120). #Yankees
and I will let the GM worry about the years and $$.
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Meh.
He is a professional. Allows us to deal with an injury. Allows Montgomery to emerge at a smart non rushed pace. Becomes the 6th/spot starter as a 38 year old who wins 10 games when rain delays pile up making it hard to keep the other guys on schedule.
Yankees are less desperate...and other teams now are more desperate. Allows us to trade a lower level pitching prospect some other team falls in love with. Allows us to freely depart with Gray at our price instead of need a pitcher back for Gray.
Its not a franchise making move or a playoff chip...its the kind of smart depth signing that top teams make
Now lets make a bigger move that gives us competitive advantage
Cashman is fun to watch lately. At the July deadline he got a bunch of no name pieces that were contributors. Filling in the depth with the right pieces wins over 164 games
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Keep this in mind: If #Yankees are trying to push to finish line with Happ, it means they've done enough work to believe cant find deal they're comfortable with for Kluber/Noah. Signing Happ would allow to potentially save prospects now if must find that ace at July deadline
Plus Didi might not be back until August, so exchanging Manny for Andujar now still leaves you with a hole.
if they get kluber, bumg, or thor...then you can truly say we made SIGNIFICANT improvements to the rotation
kluber/bumg/thor
paxton
sevy
happ
tanaka
now that is a formidable staff and one that easily is up their with the best in the game.
some people saying wait until the deadline, but what if it takes andujar to get one of those top guys?! signing MM has to happen now, i think waiting could be trouble.
let the ink dry a sec on happ and see if teams lower their asking as yanks arent as desperate. ultimately, it would be great to swing a deal with florial/andujar for a top end guy and then focus on bringing in MM
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That is a great point. If you don't have to do anything, at the half way mark some teams with SP are hopelessly behind for the season and more amenable to trade ( Bumgarner comes to mind as an example). That's how Houston got Verlander.
Plus Didi might not be back until August, so exchanging Manny for Andujar now still leaves you with a hole.
Its a hole thats easily filled though.
Sign Machado, move Torres to short and sign a stop gap player like Marwin Gonzalez to play 2nd or, use Tyler Wade until Didi is back.
Id also trade Frazier after he shows up well in spring training and not now as an injured player. There is a scenario which trades Frazier and Ellsbury making some other team an instant better than average outfield
Agree, although nothing official has been announced on Happ.
Put down the crack pipe, Machado is a superstar entering his prime years coming off a 5.7 WAR season and 33.8 WAR at age 26. He is a future hall of fame talent entering his prime years and this is exactly the type of player the Yankees money needs to be spent on - period. Yes and on top of Stanton and etc big fucking deal...
Andujar is irrelevant at this point to signing Machado since the Yankees need a SS until Didi returns which could be August 2019, so no decision has to be made on the extra pieces in the infield until late in the year or next year.
You sign Machado when you have the chance if you are the New York Yankees, every time and anytime at age 26.
Jon Morosi
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Lance Lynn has 3-year, $30 million deal with #Rangers, according to @Sullivan_Ranger and @Feinsand. @MLBNetwork @MLB
Happ is a good pitcher and durable. We all would have prefered Corbin. But he signed with the Phillies for more than the Yanks wanted to spend. Wanted 2 years, but they have to give 3 to get him. Teams eat contracts all the time. So it locks up a pretty nice staff. Now go get Kluber to make it a killer staff.
Couple BS posts here. Somebody said he topped out at 93 mph. Bullshit, he was a consistent 94 in his starts. Seems trivial, but there is a huge difference between tops out at 93 and sits at a consistent 94.
Second, losing your shit because he lost to the Red Sox in the playoffs. Yeah and Severino got crushed. In case nobody noticed, the Red Sox destroyed everyone this year. Yes we heard he is a Red Sox killer. Happens, baseball is played on the field.
Happ is a durable, consistent, unflappable pitcher. I am glad he will be back.
Jon Morosi
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Lance Lynn has 3-year, $30 million deal with #Rangers, according to @Sullivan_Ranger and @Feinsand. @MLBNetwork @MLB
His fastball averaged 92 and change mph in 2018 according to what Im seeing. He definitely wasnt living around 94.
Jon Morosi
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Lance Lynn has 3-year, $30 million deal with #Rangers, according to @Sullivan_Ranger and @Feinsand. @MLBNetwork @MLB
Now this is definitely gross.
His fastball averaged 92 and change mph in 2018 according to what Im seeing. He definitely wasnt living around 94.
Oooo, independent thinking. My independent thinking says it is a good signing. Not the best, but pretty good.
He sat consistently at 94 every game I watched.
******"I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it." *****
Was jammed down our throat? Who JAMMED it down our throat. Well guess what - he does have a very good record against the Sox. But, Severino is deemed an Ace - yet he shit the bed in 2017 against the Twins and 2018 against the Sox. Pitchers don't win 100% of the games they pitch. Sometimes the other team has a good day.
Happ is a good pitcher and durable. We all would have prefered Corbin. But he signed with the Phillies for more than the Yanks wanted to spend. Wanted 2 years, but they have to give 3 to get him. Teams eat contracts all the time. So it locks up a pretty nice staff. Now go get Kluber to make it a killer staff.
Couple BS posts here. Somebody said he topped out at 93 mph. Bullshit, he was a consistent 94 in his starts. Seems trivial, but there is a huge difference between tops out at 93 and sits at a consistent 94.
Second, losing your shit because he lost to the Red Sox in the playoffs. Yeah and Severino got crushed. In case nobody noticed, the Red Sox destroyed everyone this year. Yes we heard he is a Red Sox killer. Happens, baseball is played on the field.
Happ is a durable, consistent, unflappable pitcher. I am glad he will be back.
I'm with you on this. Happ wasn't the first guy on my list, but he was on there. We could do a hell of a lot worse than Happ.
Now, if they could finally figure out how to sign Machado and/or Harper, that'd be great.
Im glad you love the signing. I wont re-hash the reasons Im concerned about it; Ive drawn my line if hes the 5th starter on opening day, not a peep from me, like Ive said. If hes the fourth starter on opening day, they should have done better.
In either case, the third year is undesirable. Not a big deal if theyre willing to spend to the gills, Im all for that. Doesnt jibe well with the responsibility message they seem to be preaching.
Yankees and Happ are working to finalize deal. Looks like it might be 2 years plus an option once done.
if he is the 4th starter it will be temporary and better than whoever is our 5th. if he is fifth someone is in the minors having the time they need to develop.
it's all good.
I do hope we're still gunning for another TOR SP, though. If we could find some way to make that happen and add Machado on top of it, I love where we're sitting.
Im glad you love the signing. I wont re-hash the reasons Im concerned about it; Ive drawn my line if hes the 5th starter on opening day, not a peep from me, like Ive said. If hes the fourth starter on opening day, they should have done better.
In either case, the third year is undesirable. Not a big deal if theyre willing to spend to the gills, Im all for that. Doesnt jibe well with the responsibility message they seem to be preaching.
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Where did I say I loved the signing? Big difference between love and good. And I am happy with it. He is a good #4 and a very good #5. If Happ were the #5, that would be great. The guy was 6-1 with a less than 3 ERA, IIRC, in his 1/2 season here. That is good.
FWIW, Andy Pettitte had only 88-89 his last year.
I agree with you on the 3rd year, you are right. However, eating a 3rd year at $12 or $15 mill is not bad. It takes two to get a contract. After Corbin, Happ was the best pitcher on the market and would not cost prospects. I am hopefully they go after Kluber, that would be the best outcome.
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Yankee GM Brian Cashman seemed to leave the door open for a possible pursuit of Bryce Harper in an interview on YES tonight but after doing some digging, I come back to the same conclusion: they do not have interest in Harper. Machado still on radar.
if he is the 4th starter it will be temporary and better than whoever is our 5th. if he is fifth someone is in the minors having the time they need to develop.
it's all good.
Bill, not only are you an astute Yankee fan but, one hell of a mediator and all around nice dude. Always enjoy reading your posts.
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Cashman on J.A. Happ: "He was a performer. He took the ball every five days. He was a competitor. He came as advertised, a real pro. Had a veteran presence within that clubhouse, knew exactly what was necessary and brought it every five days in the most competitive division ..."
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This is my thinking too. I'd much rather have him as our #4 and use the extra money elsewhere than pay 6/140 to Corbin who's NL era doesn't exactly scream confidence to me if he pitched in the AL East.
Going two years plus an option is great news, but even at three years it would have been worth landing him because he's a competent starter. And one extra year with him is quite different than 6 with Corbin, regardless of their relative ages. Because if Corbin broke down in 2 years, for example, we'd still have 4 years left to pay him, while if Happ loses it suddenly, we're not committed as long term to him.
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The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
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The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
JP- What's a vesting option? Is that a team option with a buyout clause?
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The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
JP- What's a vesting option? Is that a team option with a buyout clause?
No details on Happ's deal yet but in general a vesting option is an optional year at the end of the contract that becomes guaranteed if the player reaches a certain performance incentive threshold.
Vesting options are typically based on playing time incentives such as plate appearances, innings pitched, games started or games finished.
It's a very good contract for the Yankees not giving 3 years without this "performance clause".
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When done, Happs deal will be 2 yrs at $34M $17M each season with a $17M 2021 option based on games started or IP threshold in 2020. So could be 3 at $51M if maxes out #Yankees
Cash should have not thrown Gray's name out there as soon
as the season was over. He didn't do himself any favors trying to move him.
I just don't see any advantage in announcing to the baseball world, that it didn't work here, and I'm moving him.
Sometimes Cash can be transparent to a fault.
He will move him eventually, just saying.
That is known as a vesting option in the business.
Just did a 3-way deal:
Indians get: Carlos Santana, Jake Bauers
Mariners get: Edwin Encarnacion
Rays get: Yandy Diaz
A bit odd on Cleveland's part. Save a few bucks this year, but add another year with Santana, albeit effectively at $12.5M when you factor in Edwin's buyout.
More oddly, leaves Indians with Santana, Alonso, Bauers all at 1B. I know that Santana has played OF in his career and CLE has a need there, but I can't imagine that they're penciling him in at OF on anything more than an occasional basis.
No matter how you cut it, Cleveland still has some chicken left on the bone.
The Indians have let it be known that they want to trade a starter.
Signing Machado would make Andujar expendable.
The Indians have a hole at third base.
? Jose Ramirez started 137 games at 3b in 2018.. what am I missing?
The Indians have let it be known that they want to trade a starter.
Signing Machado would make Andujar expendable.
The Indians have a hole at third base.
Greg and BBH, Andujar and +??? for Kluber? Is that your reasoned surmise?
Who would the ??? be. Would be more than one, maybe two prospects?
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#Yankees Rule 5 Draft recap:
RHP Nick Green to ARI
C Chris Rabago to KC
RHP Gilmael Troya to PHI
RHP Anyelo Gomez to BOS
OF Mark Payton to OAK
RHP Alexander Vargas to CHC
NYY select RHP Adonis De la Cruz from SEA.
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effectively leaves Cleveland with no MLB-ready 3B on the roster. HMMMMMM.
? Jose Ramirez started 137 games at 3b in 2018.. what am I missing?
Thought I had read that they wanted to move him back to 2B. But 3B definitely an option for him, brain fart on my part.
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Per source, #Tigers have traded Rule 5 selection Tyler Hill to the #Yankees.
Not totally unreasonable, I suppose. He will be 33 in April. Probably 3 years of very good pitching. WOuld make for a heck of a staff and wouldn't need to worry about CC.
something like:
Andujar / Loaisiga / Frazier / King
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Kluber / Kipnis or Kluber / Santana or Kluber / Alonso
If push really came to shove, I am a big enough Kluber fan that I'd go Andujar / Florial / King. I need to keep Loaisiga and Frazier in that case.
@EmilyCWaldon
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Per source, #Tigers have traded Rule 5 selection Tyler Hill to the #Yankees.
Remember that this is from the minor league portion of the draft- so the Yanks get to keep this guy no matter what. Since he played high A ball last year, might go to AA next year.
Interesting player to get for near nothing- good OBP, some speed- but no power at all and made 8 OF errors last year.
something like:
Andujar / Loaisiga / Frazier / King
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Kluber / Kipnis or Kluber / Santana or Kluber / Alonso
If push really came to shove, I am a big enough Kluber fan that I'd go Andujar / Florial / King. I need to keep Loaisiga and Frazier in that case.
Boy oh boy, the cupboard is getting very bare....
The Indians have let it be known that they want to trade a starter.
Signing Machado would make Andujar expendable.
The Indians have a hole at third base.
Keep in mind that signing Machado doesn't require a second move. The Yanks COULD decide to just put Machado at SS for 3-4 months while Didi rehabs and keep everyone else where they are.
Machado's SS play improved dramatically when he went to the Dodgers. The O's didn't really use defensive positioning based on analytics- and the Dodgers do use it. Saves a guy a step or two when he's in the right spot based on the numbers.
Allows the Yanks to punt on any big decisions until August or so. If Machado at SS and Andujar at 3B doesn't work out, the Yanks could move Andujar for whatever they need at the trade deadline and move Machado to 3B, Torres to SS and whoever at 2B.
Missing on Corbin was not good, but not getting Machado would be a kick in the gnads...
At this point, a trade for Kluber and signing of Machado has to make the Yankees about even money to win 1 of the next 3 WS, with the chance to really do better.
And even after that mini window, you have a an awesome corps of late-20s talent, with some other big salaries coming off of the books creating flexibility (Tanaka, Happ, Kluber, Chapman, Ells).
That's almost $100M/year freed up. Sure there are corresponding holes, but the flexibility is key...they'll be able to lock up the players that they want to. And hopefully at that point some of the now 17-19 year olds that are really raw have risen.
J.A. Happ: 17M in 2019, 17M in 2020, 17M vesting option in 2021. 34M guaranteed. #yanks
Yes, EAGER. That's how slow the Winter Meetings have been!
Happs $17M 2021 option triggers with 165 IP or 27 starts in 2020 #Yankees.
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Happs $17M 2021 option triggers with 165 IP or 27 starts in 2020 #Yankees.
Thanks, Cro. Pretty low bar.
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Happs $17M 2021 option triggers with 165 IP or 27 starts in 2020 #Yankees.
Thanks, Cro. Pretty low bar.
If Happ loses velocity and becomes ineffective no reason he can't be quickly replaced in the rotation to insure the 3rd year option never vests
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Happs $17M 2021 option triggers with 165 IP or 27 starts in 2020 #Yankees.
That's fair. If he's not performing, he won't get the innings/starts. My guess is he'll be pretty good.