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NFT: Yankees bringing JA Happ back

MattyKid : 12/12/2018 10:19 am
3 years, per Trade Rumors
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fucking hate this  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2018 10:20 am : link
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posted this in the Mets thread  
Kyle in NY : 12/12/2018 10:21 am : link
Mixed feelings here. They held tight to a 5 year offer on Corbin, not wanting a 6th year when he'll be 34. But they're ok with a third year on Happ when he'll be 38? He's a good pitcher though so I don't hate it. Just seems odd. Hopefully this doesn't mean they're out of the trade market for a SP though.
They could still be  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/12/2018 10:21 am : link
working on more pitching. I like that they brought him back. Our rotation is better already.
I'll judge this move based on whatever else the Yankees do  
Matt in SGS : 12/12/2018 10:21 am : link
Happ as a solid 4th starter is fine. But if the Yankees offseason ends with Paxton, Happ, and a stopgap for Didi after they cleared all that money for the luxury tax, we can safely say we all know what Hal is about and wait for the inevitable sale of the Yankees at some point so he can cash out.
Rosenthal walks it back  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2018 10:24 am : link
says they are "close".

Please come in with a better offer, Philly!!
I guess I am ok with this  
Jints in Carolina : 12/12/2018 10:25 am : link
Sevy
Paxton
Tanaka
Happ
??

Not too bad...need another starter though. Can't count on Paxton staying healthy, CC is one year older and Sevy faded last year.
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arcarsenal : 12/12/2018 10:29 am : link
Would have been really happy with 2 years. Don't love it for 3. Need to see the AAV.
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Jints in Carolina : 12/12/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 14215737 arcarsenal said:
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Would have been really happy with 2 years. Don't love it for 3. Need to see the AAV.


He is backtracking now...saying it is not done...Joel Sherman says the hang up is teams offering him 2 years and Happ wants 3.
Can we square  
Homersimpson : 12/12/2018 10:33 am : link
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.

He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.

Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.

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arcarsenal : 12/12/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 14215745 Jints in Carolina said:
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Would have been really happy with 2 years. Don't love it for 3. Need to see the AAV.



He is backtracking now...saying it is not done...Joel Sherman says the hang up is teams offering him 2 years and Happ wants 3.


Hopefully we can hold firm on 2 and get it done there. I still don't hate it if it's 3... would obviously prefer 2, though. I think that's the sweet spot on Happ.
A lot remains to be seen  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2018 10:36 am : link
but IF they go into the season with a 4/5 of Happ and CC, they've really passed up a major opportunity to put together a top rotation, and they're begging for another Wild Card.

Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
I find this an important move...  
M.S. : 12/12/2018 10:36 am : link

...J.A. Happ can still be a very productive starter.

I have no problem with this!
Rather have Happ for 3  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/12/2018 10:36 am : link
than Happ for 0
The team is not done ...  
Beer Man : 12/12/2018 10:37 am : link
This seems to be an insurance move. I expect to see more additions, particularly when you consider CC's health issues and the team possibly going to a six man rotation.
RE: A lot remains to be seen  
arcarsenal : 12/12/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 14215753 bigbluehoya said:
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but IF they go into the season with a 4/5 of Happ and CC, they've really passed up a major opportunity to put together a top rotation, and they're begging for another Wild Card.

Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.


Still hoping for a splash pitcher like Kluber on top of this. Put together a package centered around Andujar/Florial and get it done.

Kluber
Severino
Paxton
Tanaka
Happ

Sign Machado. Go win a World Series.

RE: Rather have Happ for 3  
UConn4523 : 12/12/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 14215756 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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than Happ for 0


Same, hes the type of pitcher where age is less of a concern, hes not throwing gas. Reliable 4th starter, with good enough stuff to be a 3rd starter on a good team. Id rather have him than not and I like t a lot better than Corbin for 6.
Like most,  
Keith : 12/12/2018 10:40 am : link
I would have really liked it for 2 years, eh on 3, however a guy like him isn't going to lose much in his older years. He's a pitcher, not just a thrower and he's a crafty lefty.
RE: Can we square  
Kyle in NY : 12/12/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 14215748 Homersimpson said:
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away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.

He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.

Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.


JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
I agree  
Jints in Carolina : 12/12/2018 10:42 am : link
I am fine with 3 years.
I don't mind 3 yrs for Happ  
Jeever : 12/12/2018 10:44 am : link
Would be nice if the 3rd yr is an option based on performance.

Now package Gray, Frazier and another minor league player for Kluber. Sign Manny for 7 yr/$195 mil. Trade Staton to the Dodgers for whatever you can get and sign Harper for 10 yr/ $300 mil and call it an off season.

Come on Cash. "Get'er done!".
Again though  
Kyle in NY : 12/12/2018 10:45 am : link
I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
Why does anyone care about the years?  
DCOrange : 12/12/2018 10:47 am : link
If he sucks by year three he won't pitch. The Yankees will pay him to be a long reliever. The third year does nothing to their overall strategy or future moves.
Seems like most people would have been fine with this  
jcn56 : 12/12/2018 10:48 am : link
if it were for 2 years. Does the third year really matter that much? So they eat a year on the back end, given what he's likely to make it's not really going to change anything.
RE: Again though  
Matt in SGS : 12/12/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 14215773 Kyle in NY said:
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I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.


Hal is not George
Because the Yankees have made it clear  
Kyle in NY : 12/12/2018 10:49 am : link
that they care about the years.

And this thing doesn't even sound like it's imminent yet since the Yankees are holding tight to two years. Media definitely jumped the gun
That's a year or two more than I would've preferred,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/12/2018 10:49 am : link
but I doubt the money is over the top. It's not going to keep us from doing anything in 2020 or 2021.
RE: RE: Again though  
Kyle in NY : 12/12/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 14215779 Matt in SGS said:
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I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.



Hal is not George


Becoming more and more clear, for better or worse.
RE: RE: Can we square  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 14215764 Kyle in NY said:
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away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.

He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.

Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.




JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.


also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.

paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).

and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.

For me, it's a "WOOF".
I think they needed to do  
Carson53 : 12/12/2018 10:51 am : link
a 3rd year to get him, the way the Phils were supposedly
pursuing him. I rather have him than bring back that fatass, Lance Lynn with no secondary pitches to speak of.
I never thought someone like a Morton would wind up here.
Now, move on to relief help.
RE: Seems like most people would have been fine with this  
Carson53 : 12/12/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 14215777 jcn56 said:
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if it were for 2 years. Does the third year really matter that much? So they eat a year on the back end, given what he's likely to make it's not really going to change anything.
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Happ has been durable, at least 25+ starts the last five years. So while a 3rd year doesn't excite most, including me, I wouldn't be overly concerned.
This is not a done deal,  
AJ23 : 12/12/2018 11:00 am : link
per much more reliable sources
RE: RE: RE: Can we square  
UConn4523 : 12/12/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 14215784 bigbluehoya said:
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away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.

He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.

Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.




JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.



also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.

paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).

and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.

For me, it's a "WOOF".


His Yankee sample size is incredibly small. Might as well get rid of Beckham by that playoff logic.
Agree with Homer  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2018 11:03 am : link
I think Corbin got way overvalued because he was the best of an exceedingly weak market of FA starting pitchers.
It's all about a plan for the pitching...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/12/2018 11:04 am : link
NYY must have something in mind because they don't really have long term commitments at this point to ANY pitchers, and it's clear they are trying to avoid them.

According to Sporttrac:

Tanaka: 2 years control
CC: 1 year
Gray: 1 year
Paxton: 2 years
Sevy: 3 years

Yes, they have multiple years on guys like German, Montgomery, and Bridwell.

So what's the plan? Is this the new strategy for them - agree to long-term contracts with position players but limit the lengths of your contracts with SP?
the biggest thing with the pitching this year is getting Severino  
Greg from LI : 12/12/2018 11:09 am : link
straight. That is the real thing that torpedoed them last year - they have an ace who pitched like a scrub, largely because he was tipping pitches.
Good point  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2018 11:10 am : link
Career FIP of 4.10 with a WHIP of 1.30.

I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it.

Frankly, I just strongly don't like his profile (fastballs, fly balls) for the Yankees. I was pissed about the playoff start, but I'd never chase him out of town for that alone.
Yanks still hot after Ottavijno for the pen...  
Mike in St. Louis : 12/12/2018 11:11 am : link
"According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, Yankees GM Brian Cashman met with Adam Ottavino's agent on Tuesday night at the Winter Meetings.

MLB.com's Jon Morosi just reported that the Mets and Red Sox are showing "continued interest" in Ottavino, but they're obviously not alone in the pursuit. Sherman says it is "clear" that the 33-year-old reliever is high on the Yankees' wish list. Ottavino, a native of New York City, registered a 2.43 ERA with 112 strikeouts over 77 2/3 innings out of the Rockies' bullpen in 2018."


Related: Yankees



Source: Joel Sherman on Twitter
I don't think resigning Happ removes them from the conversations  
Strahan91 : 12/12/2018 11:17 am : link
around the big SP on the trade market. If anything, it may give them leverage as they become less desperate. Maybe they've found the Indians and others to be asking for the moon because they sensed desperation from the Yankees.
RE: fucking hate this  
djm : 12/12/2018 11:20 am : link
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Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
While 3 years is not ideal, its not a deal breaker for me  
superspynyg : 12/12/2018 11:22 am : link
What I like about Happ:
Still a good pitcher (especiall in the 3 or 4 slot)
Extensive exp pithcing in the AL East
Extensive exp pitching vs Boston
Familiar with Yankee Stadium
Exp pitching in the playoffs (not much but some)
We do not have to give up a single prospect for him now.
RE: RE: fucking hate this  
arcarsenal : 12/12/2018 11:24 am : link
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Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.


If he's our best pitcher, we're in trouble!
ottavino  
jintz4life : 12/12/2018 11:24 am : link
was incredible last year

his numbers took a downturn at the end of the year due to overuse
RE: RE: fucking hate this  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2018 11:33 am : link
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Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.


Pray he isn't our best pitcher. Pray hard.

I was a Corbin proponent. Would have much rather paid the $24M for Corbin than (likely) $16M for Happ + $8M for CC. Yes, term matters, but the "can't go 6 years" rings a bit hollow when we're inking Happ until his 39th birthday. I do understand the risks with Corbin, I thought they were well worth taking for the wealthiest team in the game.

If Happ is our #5, you won't hear another peep of complaint from me. For now, I worry that they may resign themselves to him being the 4, and adding a Lance Lynn type for #6/bullpen. 4/5/6 of Happ/CC/Lynn would represent a poor offseason IMO.
I get the fact that happ wasnt a force in the postseason  
djm : 12/12/2018 11:41 am : link
But you still have to get to the postseason. Happ helps the yanks get there. Hes a relative bargain.
Happ  
JPinstripes : 12/12/2018 11:52 am : link
Joel Sherman
‏Verified account @Joelsherman1
37m37 minutes ago

Also Happ has grown into a durable abv-avg SP: Over last 4 yrs, his 121 ERA-plus is 16th in MLB (min 600 IP) between 15. Gerrit Cole (122) and 17. Cole Hamels (120). #Yankees
Go get Syndergaard  
The_Boss : 12/12/2018 11:56 am : link
Manny, some bullpen arms, and call it a day. See you at the Boss in February.
Teams expect the Yankees to pay a premium  
GiantJake : 12/12/2018 11:57 am : link
in trades. Cashman has proven lately that he is willing to walk away from the table when the price gets too steep. Pitchers are a gamble. They get hurt. The Yankees had a real good look at Happ last season. He loved it here and wanted to come back. The feeling was obviously mutual. Sevy, Paxson, Tanaka, Happ, CC AND Sonny Gray (for the time being) with guys like German, Loiasiga, King, Adams, Acevedo, Stephan, etc. working their way up. Jordan Montgomery should be an option at some point, as well.
I'll take the proven AL guy  
LG in NYC : 12/12/2018 12:03 pm : link
over the NL flavor of the off-season any day.

and I will let the GM worry about the years and $$.
RAB's take  
bigbluehoya : 12/12/2018 12:12 pm : link
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hold firm at 2 years - ( New Window )
if we sign him  
RasputinPrime : 12/12/2018 12:18 pm : link
we are looking really LHP heavy when Monty comes back. I'd guess Kikuchi unlikely at this point.

Meh.
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