Mixed feelings here. They held tight to a 5 year offer on Corbin, not wanting a 6th year when he'll be 34. But they're ok with a third year on Happ when he'll be 38? He's a good pitcher though so I don't hate it. Just seems odd. Hopefully this doesn't mean they're out of the trade market for a SP though.
Happ as a solid 4th starter is fine. But if the Yankees offseason ends with Paxton, Happ, and a stopgap for Didi after they cleared all that money for the luxury tax, we can safely say we all know what Hal is about and wait for the inevitable sale of the Yankees at some point so he can cash out.
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
Would have been really happy with 2 years. Don't love it for 3. Need to see the AAV.
He is backtracking now...saying it is not done...Joel Sherman says the hang up is teams offering him 2 years and Happ wants 3.
Hopefully we can hold firm on 2 and get it done there. I still don't hate it if it's 3... would obviously prefer 2, though. I think that's the sweet spot on Happ.
but IF they go into the season with a 4/5 of Happ and CC, they've really passed up a major opportunity to put together a top rotation, and they're begging for another Wild Card.
Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
This seems to be an insurance move. I expect to see more additions, particularly when you consider CC's health issues and the team possibly going to a six man rotation.
but IF they go into the season with a 4/5 of Happ and CC, they've really passed up a major opportunity to put together a top rotation, and they're begging for another Wild Card.
Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
Still hoping for a splash pitcher like Kluber on top of this. Put together a package centered around Andujar/Florial and get it done.
In comment 14215756 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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than Happ for 0
Same, hes the type of pitcher where age is less of a concern, hes not throwing gas. Reliable 4th starter, with good enough stuff to be a 3rd starter on a good team. Id rather have him than not and I like t a lot better than Corbin for 6.
I would have really liked it for 2 years, eh on 3, however a guy like him isn't going to lose much in his older years. He's a pitcher, not just a thrower and he's a crafty lefty.
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
Would be nice if the 3rd yr is an option based on performance.
Now package Gray, Frazier and another minor league player for Kluber. Sign Manny for 7 yr/$195 mil. Trade Staton to the Dodgers for whatever you can get and sign Harper for 10 yr/ $300 mil and call it an off season.
I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
If he sucks by year three he won't pitch. The Yankees will pay him to be a long reliever. The third year does nothing to their overall strategy or future moves.
Seems like most people would have been fine with this
if it were for 2 years. Does the third year really matter that much? So they eat a year on the back end, given what he's likely to make it's not really going to change anything.
I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
Hal is not George
Becoming more and more clear, for better or worse.
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.
paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).
and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.
a 3rd year to get him, the way the Phils were supposedly
pursuing him. I rather have him than bring back that fatass, Lance Lynn with no secondary pitches to speak of.
I never thought someone like a Morton would wind up here.
Now, move on to relief help.
RE: Seems like most people would have been fine with this
if it were for 2 years. Does the third year really matter that much? So they eat a year on the back end, given what he's likely to make it's not really going to change anything.
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Happ has been durable, at least 25+ starts the last five years. So while a 3rd year doesn't excite most, including me, I wouldn't be overly concerned.
away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.
paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).
and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.
For me, it's a "WOOF".
His Yankee sample size is incredibly small. Might as well get rid of Beckham by that playoff logic.
NYY must have something in mind because they don't really have long term commitments at this point to ANY pitchers, and it's clear they are trying to avoid them.
According to Sporttrac:
Tanaka: 2 years control
CC: 1 year
Gray: 1 year
Paxton: 2 years
Sevy: 3 years
Yes, they have multiple years on guys like German, Montgomery, and Bridwell.
So what's the plan? Is this the new strategy for them - agree to long-term contracts with position players but limit the lengths of your contracts with SP?
the biggest thing with the pitching this year is getting Severino
I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it.
Frankly, I just strongly don't like his profile (fastballs, fly balls) for the Yankees. I was pissed about the playoff start, but I'd never chase him out of town for that alone.
"According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, Yankees GM Brian Cashman met with Adam Ottavino's agent on Tuesday night at the Winter Meetings.
MLB.com's Jon Morosi just reported that the Mets and Red Sox are showing "continued interest" in Ottavino, but they're obviously not alone in the pursuit. Sherman says it is "clear" that the 33-year-old reliever is high on the Yankees' wish list. Ottavino, a native of New York City, registered a 2.43 ERA with 112 strikeouts over 77 2/3 innings out of the Rockies' bullpen in 2018."
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I don't think resigning Happ removes them from the conversations
around the big SP on the trade market. If anything, it may give them leverage as they become less desperate. Maybe they've found the Indians and others to be asking for the moon because they sensed desperation from the Yankees.
What I like about Happ:
Still a good pitcher (especiall in the 3 or 4 slot)
Extensive exp pithcing in the AL East
Extensive exp pitching vs Boston
Familiar with Yankee Stadium
Exp pitching in the playoffs (not much but some)
We do not have to give up a single prospect for him now.
Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
Pray he isn't our best pitcher. Pray hard.
I was a Corbin proponent. Would have much rather paid the $24M for Corbin than (likely) $16M for Happ + $8M for CC. Yes, term matters, but the "can't go 6 years" rings a bit hollow when we're inking Happ until his 39th birthday. I do understand the risks with Corbin, I thought they were well worth taking for the wealthiest team in the game.
If Happ is our #5, you won't hear another peep of complaint from me. For now, I worry that they may resign themselves to him being the 4, and adding a Lance Lynn type for #6/bullpen. 4/5/6 of Happ/CC/Lynn would represent a poor offseason IMO.
I get the fact that happ wasnt a force in the postseason
Joel Sherman
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Also Happ has grown into a durable abv-avg SP: Over last 4 yrs, his 121 ERA-plus is 16th in MLB (min 600 IP) between 15. Gerrit Cole (122) and 17. Cole Hamels (120). #Yankees
in trades. Cashman has proven lately that he is willing to walk away from the table when the price gets too steep. Pitchers are a gamble. They get hurt. The Yankees had a real good look at Happ last season. He loved it here and wanted to come back. The feeling was obviously mutual. Sevy, Paxson, Tanaka, Happ, CC AND Sonny Gray (for the time being) with guys like German, Loiasiga, King, Adams, Acevedo, Stephan, etc. working their way up. Jordan Montgomery should be an option at some point, as well.
Please come in with a better offer, Philly!!
Paxton
Tanaka
Happ
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Not too bad...need another starter though. Can't count on Paxton staying healthy, CC is one year older and Sevy faded last year.
He is backtracking now...saying it is not done...Joel Sherman says the hang up is teams offering him 2 years and Happ wants 3.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
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Would have been really happy with 2 years. Don't love it for 3. Need to see the AAV.
He is backtracking now...saying it is not done...Joel Sherman says the hang up is teams offering him 2 years and Happ wants 3.
Hopefully we can hold firm on 2 and get it done there. I still don't hate it if it's 3... would obviously prefer 2, though. I think that's the sweet spot on Happ.
Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
...J.A. Happ can still be a very productive starter.
I have no problem with this!
Hopefully Cash still working the pitching market very hard.
Still hoping for a splash pitcher like Kluber on top of this. Put together a package centered around Andujar/Florial and get it done.
Kluber
Severino
Paxton
Tanaka
Happ
Sign Machado. Go win a World Series.
Same, hes the type of pitcher where age is less of a concern, hes not throwing gas. Reliable 4th starter, with good enough stuff to be a 3rd starter on a good team. Id rather have him than not and I like t a lot better than Corbin for 6.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
Now package Gray, Frazier and another minor league player for Kluber. Sign Manny for 7 yr/$195 mil. Trade Staton to the Dodgers for whatever you can get and sign Harper for 10 yr/ $300 mil and call it an off season.
Come on Cash. "Get'er done!".
Hal is not George
And this thing doesn't even sound like it's imminent yet since the Yankees are holding tight to two years. Media definitely jumped the gun
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I don't hate it. I like Happ as a pitcher for this season. Just would have preferred Corbin, and remain baffled by the insistence on the more cost conscious option. Waiting to see the finished product before grading this offseason.
Hal is not George
Becoming more and more clear, for better or worse.
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away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.
paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).
and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.
For me, it's a "WOOF".
pursuing him. I rather have him than bring back that fatass, Lance Lynn with no secondary pitches to speak of.
I never thought someone like a Morton would wind up here.
Now, move on to relief help.
Happ has been durable, at least 25+ starts the last five years. So while a 3rd year doesn't excite most, including me, I wouldn't be overly concerned.
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away a few facts? Patrick Corbin's age seems to shift with every post.
He is currently 29. He will turn 30 in July of 2019, which means the Yankees would have had to pay him through his age 35 season if they agreed to 6 years.
Corbin might have been the best FA pitcher available, but that is completely relative to who is available. If you look at Corbin's comparable pitchers on Baseball Reference, you'll see a whole lot of nobodies. That's not to say he won't become somebody, but Happ has already done it in NY, and will probably cost a lot less.
JA Happ gave the Yankees a very good 11 starts and then didn't make it out of the 3rd inning in his playoff start. I like Happ, but let's not make him out to be Andy Pettitte here with this "proven it in NY" stuff. Regardless of Corbin's age, Happ is 36 right now, if this goes through they're paying him until he's 38 for a pitcher who relies heavily on the fastball and doesn't exactly have a bag of tricks to get hitters out as his stuff inevitably diminishes.
also throws damn near 75% fastballs, fly ball pitcher, Yankee stadium. He tops out that fastball around 93...for now.
paying for his age 36, 37, 38 seasons. and not cheaply (by all expectations).
and his "done it in NY" was a FIP over 4.20. And he folded in the biggest game he was asked to pitch as a Yankee.
For me, it's a "WOOF".
His Yankee sample size is incredibly small. Might as well get rid of Beckham by that playoff logic.
According to Sporttrac:
Tanaka: 2 years control
CC: 1 year
Gray: 1 year
Paxton: 2 years
Sevy: 3 years
Yes, they have multiple years on guys like German, Montgomery, and Bridwell.
So what's the plan? Is this the new strategy for them - agree to long-term contracts with position players but limit the lengths of your contracts with SP?
I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it.
Frankly, I just strongly don't like his profile (fastballs, fly balls) for the Yankees. I was pissed about the playoff start, but I'd never chase him out of town for that alone.
MLB.com's Jon Morosi just reported that the Mets and Red Sox are showing "continued interest" in Ottavino, but they're obviously not alone in the pursuit. Sherman says it is "clear" that the 33-year-old reliever is high on the Yankees' wish list. Ottavino, a native of New York City, registered a 2.43 ERA with 112 strikeouts over 77 2/3 innings out of the Rockies' bullpen in 2018."
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Source: Joel Sherman on Twitter
Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
Still a good pitcher (especiall in the 3 or 4 slot)
Extensive exp pithcing in the AL East
Extensive exp pitching vs Boston
Familiar with Yankee Stadium
Exp pitching in the playoffs (not much but some)
We do not have to give up a single prospect for him now.
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Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
If he's our best pitcher, we're in trouble!
his numbers took a downturn at the end of the year due to overuse
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Lol cmon... hate it? Happ is a damn good pitcher he might even be our best pitcher. Dont let the age fool you hes likely got good years left.
Pray he isn't our best pitcher. Pray hard.
I was a Corbin proponent. Would have much rather paid the $24M for Corbin than (likely) $16M for Happ + $8M for CC. Yes, term matters, but the "can't go 6 years" rings a bit hollow when we're inking Happ until his 39th birthday. I do understand the risks with Corbin, I thought they were well worth taking for the wealthiest team in the game.
If Happ is our #5, you won't hear another peep of complaint from me. For now, I worry that they may resign themselves to him being the 4, and adding a Lance Lynn type for #6/bullpen. 4/5/6 of Happ/CC/Lynn would represent a poor offseason IMO.
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Also Happ has grown into a durable abv-avg SP: Over last 4 yrs, his 121 ERA-plus is 16th in MLB (min 600 IP) between 15. Gerrit Cole (122) and 17. Cole Hamels (120). #Yankees
and I will let the GM worry about the years and $$.
hold firm at 2 years - ( New Window )
Meh.