Yanks obviously in on manny which would mean andujar will be packaged along with prospects for an arm. Happ is great to have back as a back end rotation guy. You can do a lot worse.
We need innings from a calm dependable guy during a season we might be close to the Red Sox from beginning to end.
He is a professional. Allows us to deal with an injury. Allows Montgomery to emerge at a smart non rushed pace. Becomes the 6th/spot starter as a 38 year old who wins 10 games when rain delays pile up making it hard to keep the other guys on schedule.
Yankees are less desperate...and other teams now are more desperate. Allows us to trade a lower level pitching prospect some other team falls in love with. Allows us to freely depart with Gray at our price instead of need a pitcher back for Gray.
Its not a franchise making move or a playoff chip...its the kind of smart depth signing that top teams make
Now lets make a bigger move that gives us competitive advantage
Cashman is fun to watch lately. At the July deadline he got a bunch of no name pieces that were contributors. Filling in the depth with the right pieces wins over 164 games
He's a very competent 4th starter...most teams would be thrilled to have him as their 4th. Who cares about the 3rd year? If he's done they eat his money.
makes the Yankees feel better about signing say Manny sooner rather than later. Seeing they have a solid four arms. I also think if the Yanks are going to trade for a pitcher they might want to sign Manny first esp if they are thinking of dealing Andujar. I think this would be a easier way of getting a solid number 1/2 starter.
I'm fine either way because I want to bring him back
but I wonder if the 3rd year is a vesting option. In a non-capped league who cares about the 3rd year. Sure it may hinder cheap Hal a bit but if we are going for it I doubt it.
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2h2 hours ago
Keep this in mind: If #Yankees are trying to push to finish line with Happ, it means they've done enough work to believe cant find deal they're comfortable with for Kluber/Noah. Signing Happ would allow to potentially save prospects now if must find that ace at July deadline
That is a great point. If you don't have to do anything, at the half way mark some teams with SP are hopelessly behind for the season and more amenable to trade ( Bumgarner comes to mind as an example). That's how Houston got Verlander.
That is a great point. If you don't have to do anything, at the half way mark some teams with SP are hopelessly behind for the season and more amenable to trade ( Bumgarner comes to mind as an example). That's how Houston got Verlander.
Plus Didi might not be back until August, so exchanging Manny for Andujar now still leaves you with a hole.
Realistically, regardless of whether we land another frontline starter
this is a good move. Happ and CC are #4 and #5 right now. How many teams have that level of quality, even at their ages, in their rotations. Paxton already improved our front of the rotation. Tanaka moving down to #3 is solid.
im good with this move, but IMO still need to work for a front end starter now.
if they get kluber, bumg, or thor...then you can truly say we made SIGNIFICANT improvements to the rotation
kluber/bumg/thor
paxton
sevy
happ
tanaka
now that is a formidable staff and one that easily is up their with the best in the game.
some people saying wait until the deadline, but what if it takes andujar to get one of those top guys?! signing MM has to happen now, i think waiting could be trouble.
let the ink dry a sec on happ and see if teams lower their asking as yanks arent as desperate. ultimately, it would be great to swing a deal with florial/andujar for a top end guy and then focus on bringing in MM
That is a great point. If you don't have to do anything, at the half way mark some teams with SP are hopelessly behind for the season and more amenable to trade ( Bumgarner comes to mind as an example). That's how Houston got Verlander.
Plus Didi might not be back until August, so exchanging Manny for Andujar now still leaves you with a hole.
Its a hole thats easily filled though.
Sign Machado, move Torres to short and sign a stop gap player like Marwin Gonzalez to play 2nd or, use Tyler Wade until Didi is back.
See if Andujar improves at plate discipline (because then we have a special weapon at 24 years old) while MM is at Shortstop and then trade either Didi or Andujar for a front line SP. Why not have options and see how it all plays out?
Id also trade Frazier after he shows up well in spring training and not now as an injured player. There is a scenario which trades Frazier and Ellsbury making some other team an instant better than average outfield
Would be an excellent signing, FUCK MACHADO, keep Andujar, it will be a move that the Yanks regret, just like the stupid move for Stanton, an albatross contract, but people here want another albatross contract, then when the time comes for Judge and Sanchez, and Andujar, and Torres, and Severino we will hear the crying. We need Happ, he pitches one fucking bad game in the playoffs and the fans use that as the reason, forget that he pitched great for two months, no, he had a bad start. Unreal. Andujar and come close to being every bit as good as Machado over the next 4 years, and for a fraction of the cost. His defense will improve, third base is a very tough position, he will be much better this year alone defensively.
I doubt Cabrarra or Cano had rookie seasons like Andujar
Would be an excellent signing, FUCK MACHADO, keep Andujar, it will be a move that the Yanks regret, just like the stupid move for Stanton, an albatross contract, but people here want another albatross contract, then when the time comes for Judge and Sanchez, and Andujar, and Torres, and Severino we will hear the crying. We need Happ, he pitches one fucking bad game in the playoffs and the fans use that as the reason, forget that he pitched great for two months, no, he had a bad start. Unreal. Andujar and come close to being every bit as good as Machado over the next 4 years, and for a fraction of the cost. His defense will improve, third base is a very tough position, he will be much better this year alone defensively.
Put down the crack pipe, Machado is a superstar entering his prime years coming off a 5.7 WAR season and 33.8 WAR at age 26. He is a future hall of fame talent entering his prime years and this is exactly the type of player the Yankees money needs to be spent on - period. Yes and on top of Stanton and etc big fucking deal...
Andujar is irrelevant at this point to signing Machado since the Yankees need a SS until Didi returns which could be August 2019, so no decision has to be made on the extra pieces in the infield until late in the year or next year.
You sign Machado when you have the chance if you are the New York Yankees, every time and anytime at age 26.
they were stuck playing from a very weak position. The 5 starters the Yankees have right now are all question marks but what starters aren't. I'll guess the Yankee will have to use 7 or 8 different starters this year with this rotation. Hopefully King or another one of the kids can help because I never want to see Cessa start again and Cashman is determined to have been right about him.
but i would be fine with Wade playing SS until Didi got back. Bat him 9th and give him 90 games to see if there's anything there in MLB. He has been very good at AAA and has a great glove and is extremely fast.
Houston seemed mildly concerned about Morton's shoulder FWIW - that signing looks good on paper for TB, but there's certainly a chance he won't hold up and the Yanks may have also avoided getting involved for that reason.
here.
Happ is a good pitcher and durable. We all would have prefered Corbin. But he signed with the Phillies for more than the Yanks wanted to spend. Wanted 2 years, but they have to give 3 to get him. Teams eat contracts all the time. So it locks up a pretty nice staff. Now go get Kluber to make it a killer staff.
Couple BS posts here. Somebody said he topped out at 93 mph. Bullshit, he was a consistent 94 in his starts. Seems trivial, but there is a huge difference between tops out at 93 and sits at a consistent 94.
Second, losing your shit because he lost to the Red Sox in the playoffs. Yeah and Severino got crushed. In case nobody noticed, the Red Sox destroyed everyone this year. Yes we heard he is a Red Sox killer. Happens, baseball is played on the field.
Happ is a durable, consistent, unflappable pitcher. I am glad he will be back.
Believe it or not, its OK to make criticism of moves the team makes. Its a little more fun when you think independently and form your own opinions rather than just towing the company line on every move. Try it out.
His fastball averaged 92 and change mph in 2018 according to what Im seeing. He definitely wasnt living around 94.
Believe it or not, its OK to make criticism of moves the team makes. Its a little more fun when you think independently and form your own opinions rather than just towing the company line on every move. Try it out.
His fastball averaged 92 and change mph in 2018 according to what Im seeing. He definitely wasnt living around 94.
Oooo, independent thinking. My independent thinking says it is a good signing. Not the best, but pretty good.
He sat consistently at 94 every game I watched.
******"I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it." *****
Was jammed down our throat? Who JAMMED it down our throat. Well guess what - he does have a very good record against the Sox. But, Severino is deemed an Ace - yet he shit the bed in 2017 against the Twins and 2018 against the Sox. Pitchers don't win 100% of the games they pitch. Sometimes the other team has a good day.
here.
Happ is a good pitcher and durable. We all would have prefered Corbin. But he signed with the Phillies for more than the Yanks wanted to spend. Wanted 2 years, but they have to give 3 to get him. Teams eat contracts all the time. So it locks up a pretty nice staff. Now go get Kluber to make it a killer staff.
Couple BS posts here. Somebody said he topped out at 93 mph. Bullshit, he was a consistent 94 in his starts. Seems trivial, but there is a huge difference between tops out at 93 and sits at a consistent 94.
Second, losing your shit because he lost to the Red Sox in the playoffs. Yeah and Severino got crushed. In case nobody noticed, the Red Sox destroyed everyone this year. Yes we heard he is a Red Sox killer. Happens, baseball is played on the field.
Happ is a durable, consistent, unflappable pitcher. I am glad he will be back.
I'm with you on this. Happ wasn't the first guy on my list, but he was on there. We could do a hell of a lot worse than Happ.
Now, if they could finally figure out how to sign Machado and/or Harper, that'd be great.
And 92-93 in the data. In either case, we can hopefully agree that theres a good chance its 91-92 for the final 2 years of the deal.
Im glad you love the signing. I wont re-hash the reasons Im concerned about it; Ive drawn my line if hes the 5th starter on opening day, not a peep from me, like Ive said. If hes the fourth starter on opening day, they should have done better.
In either case, the third year is undesirable. Not a big deal if theyre willing to spend to the gills, Im all for that. Doesnt jibe well with the responsibility message they seem to be preaching.
Guys, both of you are great Yankee fans and posters. Both of you walk a good line of passion and being analytically balanced and fair minded to other posters. Hope we get back to that place.
if he is the 4th starter it will be temporary and better than whoever is our 5th. if he is fifth someone is in the minors having the time they need to develop.
2 years plus an option year would be perfect - hopefully it's a team option. But even if it's not, I'm fine with it - I'm not going to lose my shit over an extra year.
I do hope we're still gunning for another TOR SP, though. If we could find some way to make that happen and add Machado on top of it, I love where we're sitting.
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Im glad you love the signing. I wont re-hash the reasons Im concerned about it; Ive drawn my line if hes the 5th starter on opening day, not a peep from me, like Ive said. If hes the fourth starter on opening day, they should have done better.
In either case, the third year is undesirable. Not a big deal if theyre willing to spend to the gills, Im all for that. Doesnt jibe well with the responsibility message they seem to be preaching.
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Where did I say I loved the signing? Big difference between love and good. And I am happy with it. He is a good #4 and a very good #5. If Happ were the #5, that would be great. The guy was 6-1 with a less than 3 ERA, IIRC, in his 1/2 season here. That is good.
FWIW, Andy Pettitte had only 88-89 his last year.
I agree with you on the 3rd year, you are right. However, eating a 3rd year at $12 or $15 mill is not bad. It takes two to get a contract. After Corbin, Happ was the best pitcher on the market and would not cost prospects. I am hopefully they go after Kluber, that would be the best outcome.
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Yankee GM Brian Cashman seemed to leave the door open for a possible pursuit of Bryce Harper in an interview on YES tonight but after doing some digging, I come back to the same conclusion: they do not have interest in Harper. Machado still on radar.
Guys, both of you are great Yankee fans and posters. Both of you walk a good line of passion and being analytically balanced and fair minded to other posters. Hope we get back to that place.
if he is the 4th starter it will be temporary and better than whoever is our 5th. if he is fifth someone is in the minors having the time they need to develop.
it's all good.
Bill, not only are you an astute Yankee fan but, one hell of a mediator and all around nice dude. Always enjoy reading your posts.
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5m5 minutes ago
Cashman on J.A. Happ: "He was a performer. He took the ball every five days. He was a competitor. He came as advertised, a real pro. Had a veteran presence within that clubhouse, knew exactly what was necessary and brought it every five days in the most competitive division ..."
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He's a very competent 4th starter...most teams would be thrilled to have him as their 4th. Who cares about the 3rd year? If he's done they eat his money.
This is my thinking too. I'd much rather have him as our #4 and use the extra money elsewhere than pay 6/140 to Corbin who's NL era doesn't exactly scream confidence to me if he pitched in the AL East.
all feel if Happ signed elsewhere after we weren't able to land Corbin. I think we'd all be very worried about how Cashman was going to solve the SP problem. And there aren't a ton of SPs of competence in FA, certainly none who performed as well as Happ did in 2018.
Going two years plus an option is great news, but even at three years it would have been worth landing him because he's a competent starter. And one extra year with him is quite different than 6 with Corbin, regardless of their relative ages. Because if Corbin broke down in 2 years, for example, we'd still have 4 years left to pay him, while if Happ loses it suddenly, we're not committed as long term to him.
The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
JP- What's a vesting option? Is that a team option with a buyout clause?
No details on Happ's deal yet but in general a vesting option is an optional year at the end of the contract that becomes guaranteed if the player reaches a certain performance incentive threshold.
Vesting options are typically based on playing time incentives such as plate appearances, innings pitched, games started or games finished.
It's a very good contract for the Yankees not giving 3 years without this "performance clause".
I guess my question is: is this a team decision on 3rd year? If team does not want third year, they have to pay some performance based buyout? Or is it a player option? Or is it just too early to ask?
He is a professional. Allows us to deal with an injury. Allows Montgomery to emerge at a smart non rushed pace. Becomes the 6th/spot starter as a 38 year old who wins 10 games when rain delays pile up making it hard to keep the other guys on schedule.
Yankees are less desperate...and other teams now are more desperate. Allows us to trade a lower level pitching prospect some other team falls in love with. Allows us to freely depart with Gray at our price instead of need a pitcher back for Gray.
Its not a franchise making move or a playoff chip...its the kind of smart depth signing that top teams make
Now lets make a bigger move that gives us competitive advantage
Cashman is fun to watch lately. At the July deadline he got a bunch of no name pieces that were contributors. Filling in the depth with the right pieces wins over 164 games
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2h2 hours ago
Keep this in mind: If #Yankees are trying to push to finish line with Happ, it means they've done enough work to believe cant find deal they're comfortable with for Kluber/Noah. Signing Happ would allow to potentially save prospects now if must find that ace at July deadline
Plus Didi might not be back until August, so exchanging Manny for Andujar now still leaves you with a hole.
if they get kluber, bumg, or thor...then you can truly say we made SIGNIFICANT improvements to the rotation
kluber/bumg/thor
paxton
sevy
happ
tanaka
now that is a formidable staff and one that easily is up their with the best in the game.
some people saying wait until the deadline, but what if it takes andujar to get one of those top guys?! signing MM has to happen now, i think waiting could be trouble.
let the ink dry a sec on happ and see if teams lower their asking as yanks arent as desperate. ultimately, it would be great to swing a deal with florial/andujar for a top end guy and then focus on bringing in MM
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That is a great point. If you don't have to do anything, at the half way mark some teams with SP are hopelessly behind for the season and more amenable to trade ( Bumgarner comes to mind as an example). That's how Houston got Verlander.
Plus Didi might not be back until August, so exchanging Manny for Andujar now still leaves you with a hole.
Its a hole thats easily filled though.
Sign Machado, move Torres to short and sign a stop gap player like Marwin Gonzalez to play 2nd or, use Tyler Wade until Didi is back.
Id also trade Frazier after he shows up well in spring training and not now as an injured player. There is a scenario which trades Frazier and Ellsbury making some other team an instant better than average outfield
Agree, although nothing official has been announced on Happ.
Put down the crack pipe, Machado is a superstar entering his prime years coming off a 5.7 WAR season and 33.8 WAR at age 26. He is a future hall of fame talent entering his prime years and this is exactly the type of player the Yankees money needs to be spent on - period. Yes and on top of Stanton and etc big fucking deal...
Andujar is irrelevant at this point to signing Machado since the Yankees need a SS until Didi returns which could be August 2019, so no decision has to be made on the extra pieces in the infield until late in the year or next year.
You sign Machado when you have the chance if you are the New York Yankees, every time and anytime at age 26.
Jon Morosi
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1m1 minute ago
Lance Lynn has 3-year, $30 million deal with #Rangers, according to @Sullivan_Ranger and @Feinsand. @MLBNetwork @MLB
Happ is a good pitcher and durable. We all would have prefered Corbin. But he signed with the Phillies for more than the Yanks wanted to spend. Wanted 2 years, but they have to give 3 to get him. Teams eat contracts all the time. So it locks up a pretty nice staff. Now go get Kluber to make it a killer staff.
Couple BS posts here. Somebody said he topped out at 93 mph. Bullshit, he was a consistent 94 in his starts. Seems trivial, but there is a huge difference between tops out at 93 and sits at a consistent 94.
Second, losing your shit because he lost to the Red Sox in the playoffs. Yeah and Severino got crushed. In case nobody noticed, the Red Sox destroyed everyone this year. Yes we heard he is a Red Sox killer. Happens, baseball is played on the field.
Happ is a durable, consistent, unflappable pitcher. I am glad he will be back.
Jon Morosi
Verified account @jonmorosi
1m1 minute ago
Lance Lynn has 3-year, $30 million deal with #Rangers, according to @Sullivan_Ranger and @Feinsand. @MLBNetwork @MLB
His fastball averaged 92 and change mph in 2018 according to what Im seeing. He definitely wasnt living around 94.
Jon Morosi
Verified account @jonmorosi
1m1 minute ago
Lance Lynn has 3-year, $30 million deal with #Rangers, according to @Sullivan_Ranger and @Feinsand. @MLBNetwork @MLB
Now this is definitely gross.
His fastball averaged 92 and change mph in 2018 according to what Im seeing. He definitely wasnt living around 94.
Oooo, independent thinking. My independent thinking says it is a good signing. Not the best, but pretty good.
He sat consistently at 94 every game I watched.
******"I bring up the playoff start simply because the "Red Sox killer" narrative was jammed down our fucking throats when he was acquired, and he completely folded on it." *****
Was jammed down our throat? Who JAMMED it down our throat. Well guess what - he does have a very good record against the Sox. But, Severino is deemed an Ace - yet he shit the bed in 2017 against the Twins and 2018 against the Sox. Pitchers don't win 100% of the games they pitch. Sometimes the other team has a good day.
Happ is a good pitcher and durable. We all would have prefered Corbin. But he signed with the Phillies for more than the Yanks wanted to spend. Wanted 2 years, but they have to give 3 to get him. Teams eat contracts all the time. So it locks up a pretty nice staff. Now go get Kluber to make it a killer staff.
Couple BS posts here. Somebody said he topped out at 93 mph. Bullshit, he was a consistent 94 in his starts. Seems trivial, but there is a huge difference between tops out at 93 and sits at a consistent 94.
Second, losing your shit because he lost to the Red Sox in the playoffs. Yeah and Severino got crushed. In case nobody noticed, the Red Sox destroyed everyone this year. Yes we heard he is a Red Sox killer. Happens, baseball is played on the field.
Happ is a durable, consistent, unflappable pitcher. I am glad he will be back.
I'm with you on this. Happ wasn't the first guy on my list, but he was on there. We could do a hell of a lot worse than Happ.
Now, if they could finally figure out how to sign Machado and/or Harper, that'd be great.
Im glad you love the signing. I wont re-hash the reasons Im concerned about it; Ive drawn my line if hes the 5th starter on opening day, not a peep from me, like Ive said. If hes the fourth starter on opening day, they should have done better.
In either case, the third year is undesirable. Not a big deal if theyre willing to spend to the gills, Im all for that. Doesnt jibe well with the responsibility message they seem to be preaching.
Yankees and Happ are working to finalize deal. Looks like it might be 2 years plus an option once done.
if he is the 4th starter it will be temporary and better than whoever is our 5th. if he is fifth someone is in the minors having the time they need to develop.
it's all good.
I do hope we're still gunning for another TOR SP, though. If we could find some way to make that happen and add Machado on top of it, I love where we're sitting.
Im glad you love the signing. I wont re-hash the reasons Im concerned about it; Ive drawn my line if hes the 5th starter on opening day, not a peep from me, like Ive said. If hes the fourth starter on opening day, they should have done better.
In either case, the third year is undesirable. Not a big deal if theyre willing to spend to the gills, Im all for that. Doesnt jibe well with the responsibility message they seem to be preaching.
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Where did I say I loved the signing? Big difference between love and good. And I am happy with it. He is a good #4 and a very good #5. If Happ were the #5, that would be great. The guy was 6-1 with a less than 3 ERA, IIRC, in his 1/2 season here. That is good.
FWIW, Andy Pettitte had only 88-89 his last year.
I agree with you on the 3rd year, you are right. However, eating a 3rd year at $12 or $15 mill is not bad. It takes two to get a contract. After Corbin, Happ was the best pitcher on the market and would not cost prospects. I am hopefully they go after Kluber, that would be the best outcome.
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5m5 minutes ago
Yankee GM Brian Cashman seemed to leave the door open for a possible pursuit of Bryce Harper in an interview on YES tonight but after doing some digging, I come back to the same conclusion: they do not have interest in Harper. Machado still on radar.
if he is the 4th starter it will be temporary and better than whoever is our 5th. if he is fifth someone is in the minors having the time they need to develop.
it's all good.
Bill, not only are you an astute Yankee fan but, one hell of a mediator and all around nice dude. Always enjoy reading your posts.
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5m5 minutes ago
Cashman on J.A. Happ: "He was a performer. He took the ball every five days. He was a competitor. He came as advertised, a real pro. Had a veteran presence within that clubhouse, knew exactly what was necessary and brought it every five days in the most competitive division ..."
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This is my thinking too. I'd much rather have him as our #4 and use the extra money elsewhere than pay 6/140 to Corbin who's NL era doesn't exactly scream confidence to me if he pitched in the AL East.
Going two years plus an option is great news, but even at three years it would have been worth landing him because he's a competent starter. And one extra year with him is quite different than 6 with Corbin, regardless of their relative ages. Because if Corbin broke down in 2 years, for example, we'd still have 4 years left to pay him, while if Happ loses it suddenly, we're not committed as long term to him.
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The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
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The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
JP- What's a vesting option? Is that a team option with a buyout clause?
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Bob Nightengale
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The #Yankees expected to finalize JA Happs contract tomorrow. It will be a 2-year deal with a vesting option worth $34-35 million
JP- What's a vesting option? Is that a team option with a buyout clause?
No details on Happ's deal yet but in general a vesting option is an optional year at the end of the contract that becomes guaranteed if the player reaches a certain performance incentive threshold.
Vesting options are typically based on playing time incentives such as plate appearances, innings pitched, games started or games finished.
It's a very good contract for the Yankees not giving 3 years without this "performance clause".