#Eagles QB Carson Wentz, dealing with a back issue, is not expected to play this week, sources say. Depending on the result, given the time of year, Wentz may not play again in 2018.
is bad, because athletic QBs always take unnecessary chances and get themselves hurt. Nevermind that ALex Smith got hurt dropping back and it was in the pocket, he's mobile so that is why he is injured.
What made him great last year was his mobility and ability to move around to make plays when things broke down. It also could be his undoing with the amount of big shots he has taken so far in his career. Russell Wilson is the exception to a running QB not taking big shots, but Wilson also is the smartest I have seen in terms of knowing when to tuck it and run or when to throw it away (save for Monday Night's debacle).
Ultimately, there is no right or wrong when it comes to this discussion. Both sides have pros and cons. In the end, I want my QB there every Sunday. Give me the pocket QB that has just enough athleticism to make a play with his feet when he needs to (i.e. Andrew Luck, Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers).
mobile QBs are always going to be exposed more to injuries than pure drop back QBs. Yes, they will make more plays. However, getting hit on the run or while scrambling is going to happen.
Many mobilke QBs have had serious injuries trying to make plays with their feet. Its just the reality of the situation. Yes guys like Wilson have been good so far. But Rodgers lost the ending of 2 seasons by extending plays. Its part of what makes him incredible but also ended 2 of his years.
I had said I thought they would go 8-8 this year showing all the signs of Super Bowl hangover. They are going to get murdered in LA on Sunday Night and then lose to the Texans. After that, they'll win the shitshow against Washington, but at that point, both teams will be eliminated so no one will care on either side.
mobile QBs are always going to be exposed more to injuries than pure drop back QBs. Yes, they will make more plays. However, getting hit on the run or while scrambling is going to happen.
Many mobilke QBs have had serious injuries trying to make plays with their feet. Its just the reality of the situation. Yes guys like Wilson have been good so far. But Rodgers lost the ending of 2 seasons by extending plays. Its part of what makes him incredible but also ended 2 of his years.
Who are all the mobile QBs who missed significant time from injuries incurred outside the pocket because they took off running?
mobile QBs are always going to be exposed more to injuries than pure drop back QBs. Yes, they will make more plays. However, getting hit on the run or while scrambling is going to happen.
Many mobilke QBs have had serious injuries trying to make plays with their feet. Its just the reality of the situation. Yes guys like Wilson have been good so far. But Rodgers lost the ending of 2 seasons by extending plays. Its part of what makes him incredible but also ended 2 of his years.
Who are all the mobile QBs who missed significant time from injuries incurred outside the pocket because they took off running?
RGIII
Tanneheill tore his ACL running last year
Wentz
Mariota has had multiple inuuries and games missed due to running.
Rodgers get hurt scrambling outside the pocket getting hit by Barr
Garrappolo got his running.
Those are just a few off the top of my head. Again, all guys who run/ran and were hurt outside the pocket.
So you guys would suggest we not draft a QB who has mobility because they of that list? Daunte Culpepper 13 years ago (who had a very long career)? RGIII, who ran recklessly more so than anyone because he couldn't throw?
Hopefully the Giants aren't spending too much time dwelling on the Tannehills and Culpeppers of the world.
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mobile QBs are always going to be exposed more to injuries than pure drop back QBs. Yes, they will make more plays. However, getting hit on the run or while scrambling is going to happen.
Many mobilke QBs have had serious injuries trying to make plays with their feet. Its just the reality of the situation. Yes guys like Wilson have been good so far. But Rodgers lost the ending of 2 seasons by extending plays. Its part of what makes him incredible but also ended 2 of his years.
Who are all the mobile QBs who missed significant time from injuries incurred outside the pocket because they took off running?
RGIII
Tanneheill tore his ACL running last year
Wentz
Mariota has had multiple inuuries and games missed due to running.
Rodgers get hurt scrambling outside the pocket getting hit by Barr
Garrappolo got his running.
John Elway ran all over and he was always on the field. This may freak people out but Alex Smith runs and he almost never missed time, other than being pulled for being ineffective. He was injured in the pocket.
Injuries are part of the game. If your mobile QB is smart like Wilson or Elway chances are he is no more at risk of injury that any other QB. You don't pass on a talented QB because he is mobile. That is really limited thinking.
So did tanneheill. But it was a play where it was a designed run and his knee blew out.
So he could have been injured running in general. It had nothing to do with the way he was playing QB.
Bridgewater's was literally non contact during a practice rep. His knee basically exploded. No reason to even mention him in this conversation because 1) it was a practice, non-contact injury and 2) he's not actually mobile.
Yes, he literally got hurt running with the football - I don't think he was even touched. The same thing could have happened any time he was running. QB's are going to have to move sometimes - they aren't going to just stand in place. This stuff can happen to anyone and has nothing to do with mobility.
Eli has created all sorts of unrealistic expectations regarding QB durability. He is the anomaly. Not everyone else.
It'll take an apocalypse to get people to move off the idea Â
that 'mobile' qbs always get hurt but pocket qbs don't.
And people are going to point to Eli Manning's improbable health as if that is the standard by which all future QBs should be measured by, when it's patently ridiculous and unfair.
Yes, he literally got hurt running with the football - I don't think he was even touched. The same thing could have happened any time he was running. QB's are going to have to move sometimes - they aren't going to just stand in place. This stuff can happen to anyone and has nothing to do with mobility.
Eli has created all sorts of unrealistic expectations regarding QB durability. He is the anomaly. Not everyone else.
But isnt that the point? The more you run and the more extend plays - the greater the chance of injury occurs. I am not saying you should avoid these guys.... but its something that you have to prepare for.
There is nothing other than flimsy, anecdotal evidence that mobile QBs get injured and miss time significantly more than non-mobile QBs. Because that is your perception does not mean it has any basis in fact.
There is a contingent on this site that wants to avoid mobile QBs because they believe they miss time because of their mobility. It is a perceptional bias based on the Giants having an immobile QB who was always healthy. Eli's health history is an outlier, not proof.
Two players running into each other running 20 mph is more likely to be an injury than a someone tackling a QB standing in the pocket while being impeded by a 300 lb monster and all sorts of rules designed to protect pocket passers.
And there's definitely a pattern of tall limber QBs pocket passers who don't get injured often, like Mannings, Brady, Rivers, Ryan, to just name a few recent QBs with long relatively injury free qbs.
Two players running into each other running 20 mph is more likely to be an injury than a someone tackling a QB standing in the pocket while being impeded by a 300 lb monster and all sorts of rules designed to protect pocket passers.
And there's definitely a pattern of tall limber QBs pocket passers who don't get injured often, like Mannings, Brady, Rivers, Ryan, to just name a few recent QBs with long relatively injury free qbs.
You see a lot of these mobile QBs going full speed, head-on into defenders often do you? We must watch different NFL games.
the issue isn't mobility. It's QB's that rely TOO MUCH on their mobility. A QB that can scramble is fine. When he makes it a main stay every set of downs, then you have a problem.
in the pocket..twice. Big Ben hurt his ACL in the pocket. Brady in the pocket. Carson Palmer in the pocket. This list can go on forever. Give me a mobile QB that doesn't take hits for 1000 Alex.
Where are these great pocket passers coming out of college? Â
and the centerpiece of that team. The difference is now he has some help whereas the last few years he's had nothing. He never has good pass catchers and probably only the Jets are worse and the last few years the running game hasn't been good. The only difference is the running game is working now, but Russel Wilson is no different than he's always been, he jsut has some help. Guy has 29 TD's through 13 games, he's on pace for 35 TD's and 7 INT's.
Wentz in the league 3 years missed what could be his only chance to play in a superbowl.
He is the model DG should follow, but DG too old and doesn't knows teh analytics! Just sign mobile Kap as backup!
Ill take the Bradys, Bens, Eli's, Rivers of the world every day of the week during their primes.
They're going to back up the Brinx for him because ... they're not a clueless organization unfortunately
Lol!
Right, Russell Wilson is always getting dinged up!
Ultimately, there is no right or wrong when it comes to this discussion. Both sides have pros and cons. In the end, I want my QB there every Sunday. Give me the pocket QB that has just enough athleticism to make a play with his feet when he needs to (i.e. Andrew Luck, Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers).
Many mobilke QBs have had serious injuries trying to make plays with their feet. Its just the reality of the situation. Yes guys like Wilson have been good so far. But Rodgers lost the ending of 2 seasons by extending plays. Its part of what makes him incredible but also ended 2 of his years.
Many mobilke QBs have had serious injuries trying to make plays with their feet. Its just the reality of the situation. Yes guys like Wilson have been good so far. But Rodgers lost the ending of 2 seasons by extending plays. Its part of what makes him incredible but also ended 2 of his years.
Who are all the mobile QBs who missed significant time from injuries incurred outside the pocket because they took off running?
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mobile QBs are always going to be exposed more to injuries than pure drop back QBs. Yes, they will make more plays. However, getting hit on the run or while scrambling is going to happen.
Many mobilke QBs have had serious injuries trying to make plays with their feet. Its just the reality of the situation. Yes guys like Wilson have been good so far. But Rodgers lost the ending of 2 seasons by extending plays. Its part of what makes him incredible but also ended 2 of his years.
Who are all the mobile QBs who missed significant time from injuries incurred outside the pocket because they took off running?
RGIII
Tanneheill tore his ACL running last year
Wentz
Mariota has had multiple inuuries and games missed due to running.
Rodgers get hurt scrambling outside the pocket getting hit by Barr
Garrappolo got his running.
Those are just at the top of my head.
Mobility isn't the problem. Its recklessness. Wilson is mobile, doesn't have these problems.
Wentz last year.
RGIII 2012.
Daunte Culpepper in 2005.
Those are just a few off the top of my head. Again, all guys who run/ran and were hurt outside the pocket.
Wentz last year.
RGIII 2012.
Daunte Culpepper in 2005.
Those are just a few off the top of my head. Again, all guys who run/ran and were hurt outside the pocket.
So you guys would suggest we not draft a QB who has mobility because they of that list? Daunte Culpepper 13 years ago (who had a very long career)? RGIII, who ran recklessly more so than anyone because he couldn't throw?
Hopefully the Giants aren't spending too much time dwelling on the Tannehills and Culpeppers of the world.
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mobile QBs are always going to be exposed more to injuries than pure drop back QBs. Yes, they will make more plays. However, getting hit on the run or while scrambling is going to happen.
Many mobilke QBs have had serious injuries trying to make plays with their feet. Its just the reality of the situation. Yes guys like Wilson have been good so far. But Rodgers lost the ending of 2 seasons by extending plays. Its part of what makes him incredible but also ended 2 of his years.
Who are all the mobile QBs who missed significant time from injuries incurred outside the pocket because they took off running?
RGIII
Tanneheill tore his ACL running last year
Wentz
Mariota has had multiple inuuries and games missed due to running.
Rodgers get hurt scrambling outside the pocket getting hit by Barr
Garrappolo got his running.
Those are just at the top of my head.
Can Bridgewater be added to that list?
Alot of people can say alot of things about Eli, but the guy is a freak of nature when it comes to injuries.
That should NOT be expect with the future QB.
Injuries are part of the game. If your mobile QB is smart like Wilson or Elway chances are he is no more at risk of injury that any other QB. You don't pass on a talented QB because he is mobile. That is really limited thinking.
So did tanneheill. But it was a play where it was a designed run and his knee blew out.
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Bridgewater got hurt in practice.
So did tanneheill. But it was a play where it was a designed run and his knee blew out.
So he could have been injured running in general. It had nothing to do with the way he was playing QB.
Bridgewater's was literally non contact during a practice rep. His knee basically exploded. No reason to even mention him in this conversation because 1) it was a practice, non-contact injury and 2) he's not actually mobile.
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Bridgewater got hurt in practice.
So did tanneheill. But it was a play where it was a designed run and his knee blew out.
So he could have been injured running in general. It had nothing to do with the way he was playing QB.
No Tannehill got hurt during team drills. HE was running a play and was running down the sideline. I watched it a few times.
Here's the link.
Tanneheill hurt at practice. - ( New Window )
Eli has created all sorts of unrealistic expectations regarding QB durability. He is the anomaly. Not everyone else.
And people are going to point to Eli Manning's improbable health as if that is the standard by which all future QBs should be measured by, when it's patently ridiculous and unfair.
Eli has created all sorts of unrealistic expectations regarding QB durability. He is the anomaly. Not everyone else.
But isnt that the point? The more you run and the more extend plays - the greater the chance of injury occurs. I am not saying you should avoid these guys.... but its something that you have to prepare for.
There is a contingent on this site that wants to avoid mobile QBs because they believe they miss time because of their mobility. It is a perceptional bias based on the Giants having an immobile QB who was always healthy. Eli's health history is an outlier, not proof.
And there's definitely a pattern of tall limber QBs pocket passers who don't get injured often, like Mannings, Brady, Rivers, Ryan, to just name a few recent QBs with long relatively injury free qbs.
And there's definitely a pattern of tall limber QBs pocket passers who don't get injured often, like Mannings, Brady, Rivers, Ryan, to just name a few recent QBs with long relatively injury free qbs.
You see a lot of these mobile QBs going full speed, head-on into defenders often do you? We must watch different NFL games.