Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 2:35 AM
BREAKING: It's a Jeurys Familia reunion in Flushing. Source confirms the Mets have signed the free-agent reliever, who spent the first six and a half years of his career with the team. Familia gives them a setup man in front of newly acquired closer Edwin Diaz
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 2:40 AM
It's a three-year deal for Jeurys Familia, per & #8294;& #8234;@jonmorosi& #8236;& #8297;. & #8294;& #8234;@JeffPassan& #8236;& #8297; broke the signing. With Familia, Diaz, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellman, the Mets now feel they have four dynamic arms at the back of their bullpen. They're still seeking lefty help to balance out that group.
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 3:09 AM
Jeurys Familia's deal with the Mets is for three years and $30 million. Again, that's pending a physical.
Russell Martin through 4 years has been worth his contract by fWAR. Granted year 5 will be a loss but 1. He's turning 36 2. Would anyone here not take 3 years of Grandal being an above average regular with year 4 being a "well his contract expires after the year, we need to replace him"? I would.
At this point, just sign him. The Realmuto rumors have made me sick.
Thats a real solid offseason and it seems possible at this point IMO.
It's not often you have the chance to add a player like this without leveraging the farm.
Shit, a 24 year old closer cost 2 of the Mets top 5 prospects.
that is the plight of the Mets fan. There is no reasonable rational argument that Harper or Machado should not be realistic for the Mets, but here we are with many in the fan base automatically accepting that (not that we have any choice unless we jump ship like Arc did).
If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.
Russell Martin through 4 years has been worth his contract by fWAR. Granted year 5 will be a loss but 1. He's turning 36 2. Would anyone here not take 3 years of Grandal being an above average regular with year 4 being a "well his contract expires after the year, we need to replace him"? I would.
My concern with Grandal isn't so much that he ages poorly but rather changes teams poorly and the uncertainty/volatility of framing metrics since that's where a ton of his value is built into. 1 observation Pitch framing metrics are highly volatile and 1 suggestion I've seen is it falls off dramatically after a certain age (like Maldonado, Lucroy, and Cervelli) but another observation is some of those guys stats were just better when the pitching staffs they caught were better.
If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.
Diaz and Harper/Machado should have absolutely ZERO to do with each other. Cano obviously does, but I'd be fine with Cano at 1B, Machado at 3B, Rosario at SS and McNeil at 2B.
Diaz cost Kelenic and Dunn, not $$$.
I think Cano and Diaz were almost separate transactions. At least they should be thought of that way.
Cano and $20M for Bruce and Swarzak
Diaz for Kelenic and Dunn.
This is the NL, there’s no DH. I’ll pass on bringing in another butcher.
Until he declines and there is evidence of that nope. Sorry. He got tested, was clean, served a 3 month suspension, came back and never skipped a beat.
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Because of the Cano addition I don’t think Machado should be a realistic want anymore. Starting the season with Frazier at 3B with McNeil hopefully looking to take over or at least platoon with him is one thing, but Machado completely boxes either him or Rosario out at this point. Harper, of course, I would still like but considering the suitors it was always a long shot even if money was limitless.
If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.
Diaz and Harper/Machado should have absolutely ZERO to do with each other. Cano obviously does, but I'd be fine with Cano at 1B, Machado at 3B, Rosario at SS and McNeil at 2B.
Diaz cost Kelenic and Dunn, not $$$.
I think Cano and Diaz were almost separate transactions. At least they should be thought of that way.
Cano and $20M for Bruce and Swarzak
Diaz for Kelenic and Dunn.
Huh? No idea what you are referring to here. I was saying the Cano addition makes Machado less of a need and would block a player. BVW has already said Alonso is the opening day starter. So either way somebody is getting screwed. Separately, I was commenting an offseason that brought in 6 quality players. I think that would have been a good offseason.
Hey, he's still a "hall of famer" for the remaining 1.5 years of his likely usefulness.
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Because of the Cano addition I don’t think Machado should be a realistic want anymore. Starting the season with Frazier at 3B with McNeil hopefully looking to take over or at least platoon with him is one thing, but Machado completely boxes either him or Rosario out at this point. Harper, of course, I would still like but considering the suitors it was always a long shot even if money was limitless.
If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.
Diaz and Harper/Machado should have absolutely ZERO to do with each other. Cano obviously does, but I'd be fine with Cano at 1B, Machado at 3B, Rosario at SS and McNeil at 2B.
Diaz cost Kelenic and Dunn, not $$$.
I think Cano and Diaz were almost separate transactions. At least they should be thought of that way.
Cano and $20M for Bruce and Swarzak
Diaz for Kelenic and Dunn.
Huh? No idea what you are referring to here. I was saying the Cano addition makes Machado less of a need and would block a player. BVW has already said Alonso is the opening day starter. So either way somebody is getting screwed. Separately, I was commenting an offseason that brought in 6 quality players. I think that would have been a good offseason.
I was replying to this comment where besides the fact it hasn't happened, you seemed to lump in Diaz in some way to pursuing Machado or Harper.
The reason I replied to this is the "best closer in baseball last year" didn't cost $$$ he cost prospects, and should not be part of a "we can't sign Harper or Machado, but instead..." discussion.
Second, they only added two relievers (so far) and only one cost $$$ and it was not considered a lot of money.
They have not signed any free agent catchers and no additional bats other than the bloated 36-year old Cano's contract.
As I've said, the Mets are better today than they were at season's end, but sometimes you go too far.
exactly.
I wouldn't mind it, sometimes I admire Z's ability to remain optimistic and none of us has any influence over the FO so it's not like we have a choice or it's not like anyone gives a shit if we're exasperated, I just don't like when it gets contentious or personal.
Yup - there’s legitimate reason for optimism around things bvw has said and done but there are also structural issues that remain from the top down that make progress harder for this organization than it needs to be.
You mean, they aren’t asking for Acuna or Camargo to be in the deal as well? Weird considering what they were demanding from the Mets.
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The Braves are still in talks with the Marlins about Realmuto. Apparently 3B Austin Riley and P Bryse Wilson is the current offer. I really don't want to give up Riley. Even with the emergence of Camargo losing a right handed power hitting 3B is not a wise move. He will be MLB ready at some point this season also. They have a hole in RF and Riley would be a perfect fit to move there. Why trade 6 years of control for him and 6 year for a potential mid rotation starter pitcher for 2 years of Realmuto?
You mean, they aren’t asking for Acuna or Camargo to be in the deal as well? Weird considering what they were demanding from the Mets.
At last season's trade deadline they did. Then they demanded Ozzie Albies. The Braves offered them Soroka and Austin Riley but the idiotic Marlins said no. This offseason they asked for Albies again but the Braves said no. The Marlins have already messed this up.
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The Braves are still in talks with the Marlins about Realmuto. Apparently 3B Austin Riley and P Bryse Wilson is the current offer. I really don't want to give up Riley. Even with the emergence of Camargo losing a right handed power hitting 3B is not a wise move. He will be MLB ready at some point this season also. They have a hole in RF and Riley would be a perfect fit to move there. Why trade 6 years of control for him and 6 year for a potential mid rotation starter pitcher for 2 years of Realmuto?
You mean, they aren’t asking for Acuna or Camargo to be in the deal as well? Weird considering what they were demanding from the Mets.
At last season's trade deadline they did. Then they demanded Ozzie Albies. The Braves offered them Soroka and Austin Riley but the idiotic Marlins said no. This offseason they asked for Albies again but the Braves said no. The Marlins have already messed this up.
Huh, I didn’t know that.
I agree that they will mess this up. They will get something for Realmuto but I think they will talk their way out of better deals.
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In comment 14219727 Jay on the Island said:
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The Braves are still in talks with the Marlins about Realmuto. Apparently 3B Austin Riley and P Bryse Wilson is the current offer. I really don't want to give up Riley. Even with the emergence of Camargo losing a right handed power hitting 3B is not a wise move. He will be MLB ready at some point this season also. They have a hole in RF and Riley would be a perfect fit to move there. Why trade 6 years of control for him and 6 year for a potential mid rotation starter pitcher for 2 years of Realmuto?
You mean, they aren’t asking for Acuna or Camargo to be in the deal as well? Weird considering what they were demanding from the Mets.
At last season's trade deadline they did. Then they demanded Ozzie Albies. The Braves offered them Soroka and Austin Riley but the idiotic Marlins said no. This offseason they asked for Albies again but the Braves said no. The Marlins have already messed this up.
Huh, I didn’t know that.
I agree that they will mess this up. They will get something for Realmuto but I think they will talk their way out of better deals.
Agreed, they will get a shot of either Conforto or Rosario as part of the package but then demand both. The Mets will wisely move on. The Marlins will then come back and try to get one and the Mets will say no and end up getting him for Gimenez and Peterson.
The Marlins are out of their minds.
Stanton I get, his contract is massive and was stupid and a sham, but if they did the Stanton trade right they could have just added pieces to the 3 above.
They had the best OF in baseball.
Jose Fernandez hurt, I wonder if he didn't die if they'd still have sold off those guys (and more...realmuto, etc.)
And this isn't the 1997/1998 sell off, those guys were mostly older veterans.
The Marlins are out of their minds.
Agreed, I think they should be thrilled with a package of Gimenez, Mauricio, and Szapucki for Realmuto.
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AND our all star outfielder. Even adding Rosario is a stretch. He was the number one prospect just a little over a year ago.
The Marlins are out of their minds.
Agreed, I think they should be thrilled with a package of Gimenez, Mauricio, and Szapucki for Realmuto.
That would be an awful trade for the Mets.
They should just sign Grandal.
I'd rather trade Rosario than that package.
Plan was to be competitive heading into the all star game season.
Sign a monster local contract
Sell team
Local contract never materialized...
Sherman wrote a pretty good article on Realmuto, if the Marlins weren't being insane and had we not already given up Kelenic I'd be a lot more excited about the idea of giving up a chunk of the future for him.
It seems like since he requested a trade they feel obligated to go through the motions, but based on their asking price and the trades they allegedly turned down, I don't know if the Marlins really want to trade him.
And I'm not sure it's they're embarrassed about the price they got back for Yelich, I think they maybe just don't want to trade him.
It seems like since he requested a trade they feel obligated to go through the motions, but based on their asking price and the trades they allegedly turned down, I don't know if the Marlins really want to trade him.
And I'm not sure it's they're embarrassed about the price they got back for Yelich, I think they maybe just don't want to trade him.
I know that they didn’t want to trade him originally but IIRC he told them he wasn’t going to sign an extension so they have no choice now. They could always hope that he changes his mind but that won’t happen with the lack of talent on the roster and lack of MLB ready prospects.
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want to trade Realmuto.
It seems like since he requested a trade they feel obligated to go through the motions, but based on their asking price and the trades they allegedly turned down, I don't know if the Marlins really want to trade him.
And I'm not sure it's they're embarrassed about the price they got back for Yelich, I think they maybe just don't want to trade him.
I know that they didn’t want to trade him originally but IIRC he told them he wasn’t going to sign an extension so they have no choice now. They could always hope that he changes his mind but that won’t happen with the lack of talent on the roster and lack of MLB ready prospects.
He's under contract for two more years and then they can offer him a QO to at least get draft pick compensation.
They don't have to trade him. The Nats didn't trade Harper.
Of course the Marlins on not a contender, but still doesn't mean they have no choice.
Albies? Haha, that’s classic. How many prospects are the Marlins willing to throw in with Reamulto to even that trade up?
For the Marlins neither of those are realistic so it would be a big risk of squandering a major return to take Realmuto into this season bc the amount of deadline buyers will be almost definitely smaller than the amount of interested teams right now - and obviously if he has a slow first half or gets hurt that will negatively impact his value in a big way. Goldschmidt showed players 1 year from FA don't hold a ton of value. Passing up this moment where Realmuto's is among the top assets available with unrealistic expectations would be extremely risky - the only thing that would force teams to ante up even more is if Realmuto plays even better, but even then the market of teams will likely be smaller with half the league not in playoff contention.
For the Marlins neither of those are realistic so it would be a big risk of squandering a major return to take Realmuto into this season bc the amount of deadline buyers will be almost definitely smaller than the amount of interested teams right now - and obviously if he has a slow first half or gets hurt that will negatively impact his value in a big way. Goldschmidt showed players 1 year from FA don't hold a ton of value. Passing up this moment where Realmuto's is among the top assets available with unrealistic expectations would be extremely risky - the only thing that would force teams to ante up even more is if Realmuto plays even better, but even then the market of teams will likely be smaller with half the league not in playoff contention.
None of this means the Marlins don't have a choice. Of course they have a choice and they're acting now like they don't want to trade him.
At least not at this time or at last deadline.
Obviously you don't trade good players for nothing but every qualified rumor is that there has been a very aggressive market for him yet the Marlins asks have been through the roof. They seem to be overcompensating from the Yelich trade last year, possibly to their own detriment.
Obviously you don't trade good players for nothing but every qualified rumor is that there has been a very aggressive market for him yet the Marlins asks have been through the roof. They seem to be overcompensating from the Yelich trade last year, possibly to their own detriment.
Exactly right Eric.
and the Marlins rejected it.
You have no idea how the landscape will change at the deadline or even after the season.
Maybe a team thinks they're a catcher away. the pool might be smaller, but the desperation might be higher.
Right now, it seems like the Marlins don't want to trade Realmuto. I think that's really indisputable.
The negative landscape factors also seem more predictable than the positive - it's a good bet that 1 of these teams currently after Realmuto is going to sign Grandal in the next few weeks and no longer be in on Realmuto. Same with Ramos. Same with a possible Cervelli trade. At the deadline Perez could be on the market and having a better season than Realmuto. Lucroy was the last all star catcher dealt at the deadline with 1.5 years of team control left, I don't think Miami would find comfort with that return.
Right now, Realmuto is coming off a career year with 2 full years left on his deal and somewhere between 5-10 teams pursuing him as their #1 option. Hard to envision more favorable circumstances.