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NFT: Familia returns to the Mets, 3 years, 30 million

Defenderdawg : 12/13/2018 5:37 am
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 2:35 AM
BREAKING: It's a Jeurys Familia reunion in Flushing. Source confirms the Mets have signed the free-agent reliever, who spent the first six and a half years of his career with the team. Familia gives them a setup man in front of newly acquired closer Edwin Diaz

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 2:40 AM
It's a three-year deal for Jeurys Familia, per & #8294;& #8234;@jonmorosi& #8236;& #8297;. & #8294;& #8234;@JeffPassan& #8236;& #8297; broke the signing. With Familia, Diaz, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellman, the Mets now feel they have four dynamic arms at the back of their bullpen. They're still seeking lefty help to balance out that group.

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 3:09 AM
Jeurys Familia's deal with the Mets is for three years and $30 million. Again, that's pending a physical.
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RE: To  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14219390 DanMetroMan said:
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change the topic a bit. Not really sure why everyone is so concerned about Grandal aging poorly


Russell Martin through 4 years has been worth his contract by fWAR. Granted year 5 will be a loss but 1. He's turning 36 2. Would anyone here not take 3 years of Grandal being an above average regular with year 4 being a "well his contract expires after the year, we need to replace him"? I would.


At this point, just sign him. The Realmuto rumors have made me sick.
Assuming Machado and Harper were never realistic...  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2018 12:23 pm : link
Im going to be pretty happy if we land one of the bigger catchers (Realmuto, Grandal, or Ramos) a RH hitting OF (Puig, Castellanos, M. Gonzalez, Pollock) and another reliever (Not an elite guy like Miller but a "name").

Thats a real solid offseason and it seems possible at this point IMO.
You are probably right ZG  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2018 12:41 pm : link
but Machado or Harper should have been realistic, both represented needs, both 26 years old superstars, and Machado especially costs only $$$. Harper needs a draft pick, but that should hardly be a consideration when adding a player of this caliber.

It's not often you have the chance to add a player like this without leveraging the farm.

Shit, a 24 year old closer cost 2 of the Mets top 5 prospects.

that is the plight of the Mets fan. There is no reasonable rational argument that Harper or Machado should not be realistic for the Mets, but here we are with many in the fan base automatically accepting that (not that we have any choice unless we jump ship like Arc did).
Well right or wrong  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2018 12:54 pm : link
Because of the Cano addition I don’t think Machado should be a realistic want anymore. Starting the season with Frazier at 3B with McNeil hopefully looking to take over or at least platoon with him is one thing, but Machado completely boxes either him or Rosario out at this point. Harper, of course, I would still like but considering the suitors it was always a long shot even if money was limitless.

If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.
RE: To  
Eric on Li : 12/15/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14219390 DanMetroMan said:
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change the topic a bit. Not really sure why everyone is so concerned about Grandal aging poorly


Russell Martin through 4 years has been worth his contract by fWAR. Granted year 5 will be a loss but 1. He's turning 36 2. Would anyone here not take 3 years of Grandal being an above average regular with year 4 being a "well his contract expires after the year, we need to replace him"? I would.


My concern with Grandal isn't so much that he ages poorly but rather changes teams poorly and the uncertainty/volatility of framing metrics since that's where a ton of his value is built into. 1 observation Pitch framing metrics are highly volatile and 1 suggestion I've seen is it falls off dramatically after a certain age (like Maldonado, Lucroy, and Cervelli) but another observation is some of those guys stats were just better when the pitching staffs they caught were better.
I wonder if Colorado would still dump  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2018 12:57 pm : link
McGee with some cash and take back Vargas or something. McGee needs a change of scenery. We then could maybe nab Gio for the 5th spot.
I definitely think there are concerns  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2018 12:59 pm : link
With Grandal (check out his May, June, and July splits last year) but at this point he is a solid upgrade/veteran presence that this team sorely needs if they want to be playoff contenders.
RE: Well right or wrong  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14219429 ZGiants98 said:
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Because of the Cano addition I don’t think Machado should be a realistic want anymore. Starting the season with Frazier at 3B with McNeil hopefully looking to take over or at least platoon with him is one thing, but Machado completely boxes either him or Rosario out at this point. Harper, of course, I would still like but considering the suitors it was always a long shot even if money was limitless.

If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.


Diaz and Harper/Machado should have absolutely ZERO to do with each other. Cano obviously does, but I'd be fine with Cano at 1B, Machado at 3B, Rosario at SS and McNeil at 2B.

Diaz cost Kelenic and Dunn, not $$$.

I think Cano and Diaz were almost separate transactions. At least they should be thought of that way.

Cano and $20M for Bruce and Swarzak

Diaz for Kelenic and Dunn.
Trading assets for Castellanos  
Metnut : 12/15/2018 1:18 pm : link
would be an awful move. We finally got rid of Bruce, an awful defender who cost us runs constantly with his pathetic range and now the idea is to give up assets and get an even worse fielder?

This is the NL, there’s no DH. I’ll pass on bringing in another butcher.
Jesus Christ  
PhiPsi125 : 12/15/2018 1:21 pm : link
Can we stop saying that we got a HALL OF FAMER as if we are getting Cano in his prime and not the 36 year old, recent PED user in the twilight of his career?
RE: Jesus Christ  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14219450 PhiPsi125 said:
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Can we stop saying that we got a HALL OF FAMER as if we are getting Cano in his prime and not the 36 year old, recent PED user in the twilight of his career?


Until he declines and there is evidence of that nope. Sorry. He got tested, was clean, served a 3 month suspension, came back and never skipped a beat.
RE: RE: Well right or wrong  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14219441 pjcas18 said:
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Because of the Cano addition I don’t think Machado should be a realistic want anymore. Starting the season with Frazier at 3B with McNeil hopefully looking to take over or at least platoon with him is one thing, but Machado completely boxes either him or Rosario out at this point. Harper, of course, I would still like but considering the suitors it was always a long shot even if money was limitless.

If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.



Diaz and Harper/Machado should have absolutely ZERO to do with each other. Cano obviously does, but I'd be fine with Cano at 1B, Machado at 3B, Rosario at SS and McNeil at 2B.

Diaz cost Kelenic and Dunn, not $$$.

I think Cano and Diaz were almost separate transactions. At least they should be thought of that way.

Cano and $20M for Bruce and Swarzak

Diaz for Kelenic and Dunn.


Huh? No idea what you are referring to here. I was saying the Cano addition makes Machado less of a need and would block a player. BVW has already said Alonso is the opening day starter. So either way somebody is getting screwed. Separately, I was commenting an offseason that brought in 6 quality players. I think that would have been a good offseason.
RE: Jesus Christ  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/15/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14219450 PhiPsi125 said:
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Can we stop saying that we got a HALL OF FAMER as if we are getting Cano in his prime and not the 36 year old, recent PED user in the twilight of his career?


Hey, he's still a "hall of famer" for the remaining 1.5 years of his likely usefulness.
RE: RE: RE: Well right or wrong  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14219469 ZGiants98 said:
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Because of the Cano addition I don’t think Machado should be a realistic want anymore. Starting the season with Frazier at 3B with McNeil hopefully looking to take over or at least platoon with him is one thing, but Machado completely boxes either him or Rosario out at this point. Harper, of course, I would still like but considering the suitors it was always a long shot even if money was limitless.

If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.



Diaz and Harper/Machado should have absolutely ZERO to do with each other. Cano obviously does, but I'd be fine with Cano at 1B, Machado at 3B, Rosario at SS and McNeil at 2B.

Diaz cost Kelenic and Dunn, not $$$.

I think Cano and Diaz were almost separate transactions. At least they should be thought of that way.

Cano and $20M for Bruce and Swarzak

Diaz for Kelenic and Dunn.



Huh? No idea what you are referring to here. I was saying the Cano addition makes Machado less of a need and would block a player. BVW has already said Alonso is the opening day starter. So either way somebody is getting screwed. Separately, I was commenting an offseason that brought in 6 quality players. I think that would have been a good offseason.


I was replying to this comment where besides the fact it hasn't happened, you seemed to lump in Diaz in some way to pursuing Machado or Harper.

The reason I replied to this is the "best closer in baseball last year" didn't cost $$$ he cost prospects, and should not be part of a "we can't sign Harper or Machado, but instead..." discussion.

Second, they only added two relievers (so far) and only one cost $$$ and it was not considered a lot of money.

They have not signed any free agent catchers and no additional bats other than the bloated 36-year old Cano's contract.


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If you told me going in I couldn’t have Machado or Harper but I could have three relievers (one the best closer in baseball last year, another a top setup option) , the best FA catcher, and two more additional bats coming off good seasons, one a Hall of Famer... I would have definitely signed up for that.


As I've said, the Mets are better today than they were at season's end, but sometimes you go too far.
Huh? No  
ZGiants98 : 12/15/2018 2:08 pm : link
It was a hypothetical that said “if we add another reliever, top catcher, and RH hitting OF such as... and I listed 4 of them. No idea where this went to but I’m out. Lol. Have a nice day.
It's really just a constant Groundhog's Day cycle of the Mets  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/15/2018 2:14 pm : link
doing something questionable, people being exasperated, and Z doing his best juggling act show to explain why it's good and makes sense until he gets frustrated.
RE: It's really just a constant Groundhog's Day cycle of the Mets  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14219494 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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doing something questionable, people being exasperated, and Z doing his best juggling act show to explain why it's good and makes sense until he gets frustrated.


exactly.

I wouldn't mind it, sometimes I admire Z's ability to remain optimistic and none of us has any influence over the FO so it's not like we have a choice or it's not like anyone gives a shit if we're exasperated, I just don't like when it gets contentious or personal.
RE: It's really just a constant Groundhog's Day cycle of the Mets  
Eric on Li : 12/15/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14219494 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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doing something questionable, people being exasperated, and Z doing his best juggling act show to explain why it's good and makes sense until he gets frustrated.


Yup - there’s legitimate reason for optimism around things bvw has said and done but there are also structural issues that remain from the top down that make progress harder for this organization than it needs to be.
Ugh  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2018 8:31 pm : link
The Braves are still in talks with the Marlins about Realmuto. Apparently 3B Austin Riley and P Bryse Wilson is the current offer. I really don't want to give up Riley. Even with the emergence of Camargo losing a right handed power hitting 3B is not a wise move. He will be MLB ready at some point this season also. They have a hole in RF and Riley would be a perfect fit to move there. Why trade 6 years of control for him and 6 year for a potential mid rotation starter pitcher for 2 years of Realmuto?
Nationals sign Matt Adams to a 1 year deal  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2018 8:34 pm : link
$4 million. Great re-signing for them.
RE: Ugh  
PhiPsi125 : 12/15/2018 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14219727 Jay on the Island said:
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The Braves are still in talks with the Marlins about Realmuto. Apparently 3B Austin Riley and P Bryse Wilson is the current offer. I really don't want to give up Riley. Even with the emergence of Camargo losing a right handed power hitting 3B is not a wise move. He will be MLB ready at some point this season also. They have a hole in RF and Riley would be a perfect fit to move there. Why trade 6 years of control for him and 6 year for a potential mid rotation starter pitcher for 2 years of Realmuto?


You mean, they aren’t asking for Acuna or Camargo to be in the deal as well? Weird considering what they were demanding from the Mets.
RE: RE: Ugh  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2018 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14219746 PhiPsi125 said:
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The Braves are still in talks with the Marlins about Realmuto. Apparently 3B Austin Riley and P Bryse Wilson is the current offer. I really don't want to give up Riley. Even with the emergence of Camargo losing a right handed power hitting 3B is not a wise move. He will be MLB ready at some point this season also. They have a hole in RF and Riley would be a perfect fit to move there. Why trade 6 years of control for him and 6 year for a potential mid rotation starter pitcher for 2 years of Realmuto?



You mean, they aren’t asking for Acuna or Camargo to be in the deal as well? Weird considering what they were demanding from the Mets.

At last season's trade deadline they did. Then they demanded Ozzie Albies. The Braves offered them Soroka and Austin Riley but the idiotic Marlins said no. This offseason they asked for Albies again but the Braves said no. The Marlins have already messed this up.
RE: RE: RE: Ugh  
PhiPsi125 : 12/15/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14219764 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14219727 Jay on the Island said:


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The Braves are still in talks with the Marlins about Realmuto. Apparently 3B Austin Riley and P Bryse Wilson is the current offer. I really don't want to give up Riley. Even with the emergence of Camargo losing a right handed power hitting 3B is not a wise move. He will be MLB ready at some point this season also. They have a hole in RF and Riley would be a perfect fit to move there. Why trade 6 years of control for him and 6 year for a potential mid rotation starter pitcher for 2 years of Realmuto?



You mean, they aren’t asking for Acuna or Camargo to be in the deal as well? Weird considering what they were demanding from the Mets.


At last season's trade deadline they did. Then they demanded Ozzie Albies. The Braves offered them Soroka and Austin Riley but the idiotic Marlins said no. This offseason they asked for Albies again but the Braves said no. The Marlins have already messed this up.


Huh, I didn’t know that.

I agree that they will mess this up. They will get something for Realmuto but I think they will talk their way out of better deals.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ugh  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14219778 PhiPsi125 said:
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The Braves are still in talks with the Marlins about Realmuto. Apparently 3B Austin Riley and P Bryse Wilson is the current offer. I really don't want to give up Riley. Even with the emergence of Camargo losing a right handed power hitting 3B is not a wise move. He will be MLB ready at some point this season also. They have a hole in RF and Riley would be a perfect fit to move there. Why trade 6 years of control for him and 6 year for a potential mid rotation starter pitcher for 2 years of Realmuto?



You mean, they aren’t asking for Acuna or Camargo to be in the deal as well? Weird considering what they were demanding from the Mets.


At last season's trade deadline they did. Then they demanded Ozzie Albies. The Braves offered them Soroka and Austin Riley but the idiotic Marlins said no. This offseason they asked for Albies again but the Braves said no. The Marlins have already messed this up.



Huh, I didn’t know that.

I agree that they will mess this up. They will get something for Realmuto but I think they will talk their way out of better deals.

Agreed, they will get a shot of either Conforto or Rosario as part of the package but then demand both. The Mets will wisely move on. The Marlins will then come back and try to get one and the Mets will say no and end up getting him for Gimenez and Peterson.
They are embarrassed for how little they got for Yelich  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2018 10:06 pm : link
who went on to have an MVP season. They are terrified of making the same mistake so instead of finding a fair trade for both sides they want a superstar return for a good but not great player.
They were never getting Conforto. You don’t get our best prospects  
PhiPsi125 : 12/15/2018 10:10 pm : link
AND our all star outfielder. Even adding Rosario is a stretch. He was the number one prospect just a little over a year ago.

The Marlins are out of their minds.
They probably would have had a better team  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2018 10:41 pm : link
if they just kept Yelich, Ozuna, and Gordon.

Stanton I get, his contract is massive and was stupid and a sham, but if they did the Stanton trade right they could have just added pieces to the 3 above.

They had the best OF in baseball.

Jose Fernandez hurt, I wonder if he didn't die if they'd still have sold off those guys (and more...realmuto, etc.)

And this isn't the 1997/1998 sell off, those guys were mostly older veterans.
RE: They were never getting Conforto. You don’t get our best prospects  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2018 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14219786 PhiPsi125 said:
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AND our all star outfielder. Even adding Rosario is a stretch. He was the number one prospect just a little over a year ago.

The Marlins are out of their minds.

Agreed, I think they should be thrilled with a package of Gimenez, Mauricio, and Szapucki for Realmuto.
RE: RE: They were never getting Conforto. You don’t get our best prospects  
pjcas18 : 12/15/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14219806 Jay on the Island said:
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AND our all star outfielder. Even adding Rosario is a stretch. He was the number one prospect just a little over a year ago.

The Marlins are out of their minds.


Agreed, I think they should be thrilled with a package of Gimenez, Mauricio, and Szapucki for Realmuto.


That would be an awful trade for the Mets.

They should just sign Grandal.

I'd rather trade Rosario than that package.
Marlins were selling off regardless of Fernandez  
Shecky : 12/15/2018 11:01 pm : link
Plan all along was sign Stanton (notice how backloaded and when that started?) and ‘convince’ people this time it’s different. Hint - it wasn’t. They were still being run by the biggest scumbags in all of sports.
Plan was to be competitive heading into the all star game season.
Sign a monster local contract
Sell team

Local contract never materialized...
I can understand trading Nimmo the most  
Eric on Li : 12/15/2018 11:04 pm : link
mostly because corner outfielders are a lot easier to find than catchers. I wouldn't like it because I believe in his ability to get on base at a very high level and be a real good hardworking top of the order guy who is cost controlled for a while.

Sherman wrote a pretty good article on Realmuto, if the Marlins weren't being insane and had we not already given up Kelenic I'd be a lot more excited about the idea of giving up a chunk of the future for him.
The Braves beat writer shot down the rumor  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2018 11:37 pm : link
Dave O’Brien said the latest rumor is untrue and that the Braves haven’t been in contact with Miami for 5 days and they have moved on to the next target. Great job Miami! I hope the Braves turn their attention over to Cervelli.
They should move the  
spike : 12/16/2018 8:28 am : link
marlins to another city.
The Marlins demands for Realmuto have been crazy. I guess they've  
Ira : 12/16/2018 9:14 am : link
been hoping that with all the desperation for a good catcher, one team will buckle. That hasn't happened yet, so they'll either have to keep him or lower their demands.
The Braves are officially out  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 10:53 am : link
The Marlins once again were demanding Ozzie Albies in return.
they are overvaluing Realmuto  
CMicks3110 : 12/16/2018 11:05 am : link
plain and simple. And they should move quick before teams move on to Grandal and Ramos or Cervelli; Teams angling for catchers seem to be Mets, Braves, Reds, Angels; the more the market weakens, the lower than can get back. His value will never be higher than right now IMO
they should do a RA Dickey type trade or a Wheeler type trade  
CMicks3110 : 12/16/2018 11:07 am : link
Mets won both of those trades, but the players they got in return were by no means sure things. Syndergaard was a low top 100 pick; and I think d'Arnaud was wayy overrated at the time. Someone like Nimmo, who has 4 years control, similar WAR, and another mid-level prospect is a fair return, even with positional value; and they really should be shooting for lower level (meaning 2-3 years away) prospects with high ceilings than major league ready talent. They are nowhere near competing.
CMicks  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 11:32 am : link
They messed up at the deadline passing on top 20 prospect P Mike Soroka and top 40 prospect 3B Austin Riley. They won’t get close to that now. The Braves are out and the Mets might be also which further lowers the return. I can’t believe how poorly Miami has handled this situation. Give me Cervelli for a fraction of the cost and I would be thrilled.
I am not sure the Marlins  
pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 11:35 am : link
want to trade Realmuto.

It seems like since he requested a trade they feel obligated to go through the motions, but based on their asking price and the trades they allegedly turned down, I don't know if the Marlins really want to trade him.

And I'm not sure it's they're embarrassed about the price they got back for Yelich, I think they maybe just don't want to trade him.
RE: I am not sure the Marlins  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 14220152 pjcas18 said:
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want to trade Realmuto.

It seems like since he requested a trade they feel obligated to go through the motions, but based on their asking price and the trades they allegedly turned down, I don't know if the Marlins really want to trade him.

And I'm not sure it's they're embarrassed about the price they got back for Yelich, I think they maybe just don't want to trade him.

I know that they didn’t want to trade him originally but IIRC he told them he wasn’t going to sign an extension so they have no choice now. They could always hope that he changes his mind but that won’t happen with the lack of talent on the roster and lack of MLB ready prospects.
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pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 14220162 Jay on the Island said:
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want to trade Realmuto.

It seems like since he requested a trade they feel obligated to go through the motions, but based on their asking price and the trades they allegedly turned down, I don't know if the Marlins really want to trade him.

And I'm not sure it's they're embarrassed about the price they got back for Yelich, I think they maybe just don't want to trade him.


I know that they didn’t want to trade him originally but IIRC he told them he wasn’t going to sign an extension so they have no choice now. They could always hope that he changes his mind but that won’t happen with the lack of talent on the roster and lack of MLB ready prospects.


He's under contract for two more years and then they can offer him a QO to at least get draft pick compensation.

They don't have to trade him. The Nats didn't trade Harper.

Of course the Marlins on not a contender, but still doesn't mean they have no choice.
RE: The Braves are officially out  
BigBlueShock : 12/16/2018 11:46 am : link
In comment 14220102 Jay on the Island said:
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The Marlins once again were demanding Ozzie Albies in return.

Albies? Haha, that’s classic. How many prospects are the Marlins willing to throw in with Reamulto to even that trade up?
Harper also didn't demand a trade and pull out of extension talks  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 12:10 pm : link
up until the last few months there they were trying to win and knew they were going to negotiate to resign him. So not sending him to a contender that could presumably improve their odds of resigning him was a calculated gamble.

For the Marlins neither of those are realistic so it would be a big risk of squandering a major return to take Realmuto into this season bc the amount of deadline buyers will be almost definitely smaller than the amount of interested teams right now - and obviously if he has a slow first half or gets hurt that will negatively impact his value in a big way. Goldschmidt showed players 1 year from FA don't hold a ton of value. Passing up this moment where Realmuto's is among the top assets available with unrealistic expectations would be extremely risky - the only thing that would force teams to ante up even more is if Realmuto plays even better, but even then the market of teams will likely be smaller with half the league not in playoff contention.
RE: Harper also didn't demand a trade and pull out of extension talks  
pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14220220 Eric on Li said:
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up until the last few months there they were trying to win and knew they were going to negotiate to resign him. So not sending him to a contender that could presumably improve their odds of resigning him was a calculated gamble.

For the Marlins neither of those are realistic so it would be a big risk of squandering a major return to take Realmuto into this season bc the amount of deadline buyers will be almost definitely smaller than the amount of interested teams right now - and obviously if he has a slow first half or gets hurt that will negatively impact his value in a big way. Goldschmidt showed players 1 year from FA don't hold a ton of value. Passing up this moment where Realmuto's is among the top assets available with unrealistic expectations would be extremely risky - the only thing that would force teams to ante up even more is if Realmuto plays even better, but even then the market of teams will likely be smaller with half the league not in playoff contention.


None of this means the Marlins don't have a choice. Of course they have a choice and they're acting now like they don't want to trade him.

At least not at this time or at last deadline.
of course they have a choice but it's a bad choice  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 12:30 pm : link
keeping him is a short term benefit when they have no chance of competing in the short term and he has made it clear to them he doesn't want to be there. If the Mets were a last place team and JDG demanded a trade + refused to negotiate an extension none of us would think holding him until FA and just recouping a draft pick was a good option. We'd think it was insanity because it would be. We'd want to sell him for whatever his highest value is.

Obviously you don't trade good players for nothing but every qualified rumor is that there has been a very aggressive market for him yet the Marlins asks have been through the roof. They seem to be overcompensating from the Yelich trade last year, possibly to their own detriment.
RE: of course they have a choice but it's a bad choice  
Jay on the Island : 12/16/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14220266 Eric on Li said:
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keeping him is a short term benefit when they have no chance of competing in the short term and he has made it clear to them he doesn't want to be there. If the Mets were a last place team and JDG demanded a trade + refused to negotiate an extension none of us would think holding him until FA and just recouping a draft pick was a good option. We'd think it was insanity because it would be. We'd want to sell him for whatever his highest value is.

Obviously you don't trade good players for nothing but every qualified rumor is that there has been a very aggressive market for him yet the Marlins asks have been through the roof. They seem to be overcompensating from the Yelich trade last year, possibly to their own detriment.

Exactly right Eric.
Disagree  
pjcas18 : 12/16/2018 12:44 pm : link
We have posts on here that the Braves offered more at the deadline than anyone is offering right now.

and the Marlins rejected it.

You have no idea how the landscape will change at the deadline or even after the season.

Maybe a team thinks they're a catcher away. the pool might be smaller, but the desperation might be higher.

Right now, it seems like the Marlins don't want to trade Realmuto. I think that's really indisputable.
You're correct the future landscape is unknown but 1 thing is certain  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 3:21 pm : link
Once the season starts Realmuto's team control decreases each day and with that having increasing importance in every trade, to some degree that makes him a depreciating asset. Could the future landscape change in way that favors the Marlins? It's possible, but just as possible that the landscape factors hurt the Marlins position in conjunction to having a player with less term on his contract to trade.

The negative landscape factors also seem more predictable than the positive - it's a good bet that 1 of these teams currently after Realmuto is going to sign Grandal in the next few weeks and no longer be in on Realmuto. Same with Ramos. Same with a possible Cervelli trade. At the deadline Perez could be on the market and having a better season than Realmuto. Lucroy was the last all star catcher dealt at the deadline with 1.5 years of team control left, I don't think Miami would find comfort with that return.

Right now, Realmuto is coming off a career year with 2 full years left on his deal and somewhere between 5-10 teams pursuing him as their #1 option. Hard to envision more favorable circumstances.
rumors mets have an agreement with Wilson Ramos  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 4:43 pm : link
Martino says reporters trying to confirm but haven't yet.
and Martino confirms it's true  
Eric on Li : 12/16/2018 4:46 pm : link
hopefully 2 years. Very impressed with how BVW has kept his FA targets under the radar. We heard a lot more about Miller + Grandal yet ended up with Familia/Ramos.
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