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NFT: Familia returns to the Mets, 3 years, 30 million

Defenderdawg : 12/13/2018 5:37 am
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 2:35 AM
BREAKING: It's a Jeurys Familia reunion in Flushing. Source confirms the Mets have signed the free-agent reliever, who spent the first six and a half years of his career with the team. Familia gives them a setup man in front of newly acquired closer Edwin Diaz

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 2:40 AM
It's a three-year deal for Jeurys Familia, per & #8294;& #8234;@jonmorosi& #8236;& #8297;. & #8294;& #8234;@JeffPassan& #8236;& #8297; broke the signing. With Familia, Diaz, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellman, the Mets now feel they have four dynamic arms at the back of their bullpen. They're still seeking lefty help to balance out that group.

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 3:09 AM
Jeurys Familia's deal with the Mets is for three years and $30 million. Again, that's pending a physical.
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niiice  
jpkmets : 12/13/2018 5:52 am : link
I really like this move.
Fine if theres more  
Sammo85 : 12/13/2018 6:32 am : link
to spend still for an Andrew Miller, but I dont like the third year given some of the known issues and concerns with Familias arm/shoulder.

The free agent market is kind of crazy this year. While I'm not in  
Ira : 12/13/2018 6:56 am : link
love with the contract it's ok considering that. Diaz, Familia, Lugo and Gsellman - that's as good at the top end of any bullpen the Mets have ever had. Maybe better.
I like it.  
Beezer : 12/13/2018 7:14 am : link
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Great Move!  
Big Blue Hokie : 12/13/2018 7:15 am : link
Dont think it is an overpay at all. Now go get Miller and Grandal.
Solid  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:16 am : link
Don't love 3 years, surprised he didn't hold out to find a closing job. Market must have told him otherwise.
Considering what Kimbrel is demanding  
Mike in NY : 12/13/2018 7:16 am : link
And what relievers like Anthony Swarzak are making, I dont mind this deal. I just hope getting the old gang back together isnt the offseason strategy yet again.
Hate  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:18 am : link
to dump on Gsellman but "dynamic"? Maybe in 2016. Hasn't been in a while.
RE: Solid  
Mike in NY : 12/13/2018 7:20 am : link
In comment 14216733 DanMetroMan said:
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Don't love 3 years, surprised he didn't hold out to find a closing job. Market must have told him otherwise.


It is possible that his demand over 2 years might have been $24 Million or more so it was sold to the Wilpons as you are getting that plus a discounted third year. Probably didnt hold out for a closing job because the teams that had that need dont exactly have strong bullpens so he feared being overused as the only trustworthy option.
Doubt  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:21 am : link
Miller is still an option. Can't see that kind of commitment on 2 RP. We'll see how it's structured but it seems unlikely.
RE: RE: Solid  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:23 am : link
In comment 14216736 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14216733 DanMetroMan said:


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Don't love 3 years, surprised he didn't hold out to find a closing job. Market must have told him otherwise.



It is possible that his demand over 2 years might have been $24 Million or more so it was sold to the Wilpons as you are getting that plus a discounted third year. Probably didnt hold out for a closing job because the teams that had that need dont exactly have strong bullpens so he feared being overused as the only trustworthy option.


I suspect Familia is no longer a big money pitcher once this deal is up. In fact I'd be pretty shocked if he was. Seems like a guy who would have and did take the most money possible. I'd be very surprised if 3 years from now we are worried about signing him etc. In fact not being a downer I suspect year 3 is already iffy given his arm health etc.
As  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:26 am : link
suggested on twitter, I 100% could see Kay headed to Texas for Claudio or something like that. A cheaper lefty option.
Kelly to the  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:26 am : link
Dodgers
3  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:28 am : link
for 25 for Joe Kelly
Love it.  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 7:47 am : link
Familia was really good last year. Wanted Miller or Robertson but Familia was arguably better.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:50 am : link
can't believe how many Mets fans are okay giving Miller 4 years. That's absolutely nuts. He's 34 in May coming off a down year. 4 years would be absurd for the Mets.
Time will tell, but looking at Kelly and Familia, I think we got  
Ira : 12/13/2018 7:51 am : link
the better player.
Seidler not a fan  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 7:52 am : link
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as opposed to Familia who blew his shoulder and hasnt been good, throwing as hard, or using his best pitch since
When you consider Swarzak and Ramos  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 7:55 am : link
Were both making close to 10 AAV last year and Kimbrel is asking for 100 million, its hard not to like this price too.

This is a big market move.
🙏  
Shecky : 12/13/2018 8:26 am : link
Super pen could lead to Lugo in the rotation...
So what else are we doing?  
Chris684 : 12/13/2018 8:27 am : link
We need another bat.

C, CF?

RE: Seidler not a fan  
debo_GIANTS : 12/13/2018 8:38 am : link
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as opposed to Familia who blew his shoulder and hasnt been good, throwing as hard, or using his best pitch since


When did Familia blow out his shoulder? I thought it was a blood clot issue in his shoulder that forced him to miss time.

This is a shrewd move, it doesnt cost a draft pick because Oakland couldnt offer a QO. Jerry probably could have got more on the open market, but took a discount to come home.
Yeah odd comment  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 8:41 am : link
He had a clot removed and also was averaging almost 97 on his fastball last year.
Yea, very dramatic comment by Jarrett  
debo_GIANTS : 12/13/2018 8:45 am : link
I get it that some fans don't like bringing back old players, but he is coming back as a set up guy instead of a closer. This might be one of the best 1-2 punches at the back end of the bullpen that I can remember as a Mets fan.
Yup and Lugo is being very underrated also  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 8:48 am : link
He had an excellent season setting up assuming he is still in the pen. Id love another piece but the pen has been dramatically upgraded.
Give me Miller and Grandal now  
debo_GIANTS : 12/13/2018 9:03 am : link
and I will be there opening day..

Would love another OF bat, but can live without it for now.
I like the signing...  
Metnut : 12/13/2018 9:04 am : link
Familia is an average closer and that should lead to him being an above average setup man. He actually posted his best k/9 of his career last year, so I'm not too worried about his shoulder. W

We're getting his age 29, 30, 31 seasons so he's not particularly risky himself, it's just that a third year to any reliever can end up hurting you. That's the price you have to pay when you can't develop your own bullpen guys in-house. We can thank Sandy Alderson for that.
Gsellman  
spike : 12/13/2018 9:11 am : link
Is now the 7th inning guy?

Thats a good pen. I hope Lugo returns to the rotation
RE: Give me Miller and Grandal now  
spike : 12/13/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 14216827 debo_GIANTS said:
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and I will be there opening day..

Would love another OF bat, but can live without it for now.


Add Hamilton to the list
RE: Gsellman  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 14216842 spike said:
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Is now the 7th inning guy?

Thats a good pen. I hope Lugo returns to the rotation


I really dont see any way Vargas is not the 5th starter unless theres other moves. I got Lugo in the seventh.
RE: Give me Miller and Grandal now  
NYG27 : 12/13/2018 9:13 am : link
debo_GIANTS said:
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and I will be there opening day..

Would love another OF bat, but can live without it for now.


+1

If they can sign Miller and Grandal, it renews my interest in the Mets again.

Any rumors on what Grandal is looking for? He already turned down a one year $17.9 million qualifying offer.
RE: RE: Give me Miller and Grandal now  
JayBinQueens : 12/13/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 14216843 spike said:
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and I will be there opening day..

Would love another OF bat, but can live without it for now.



Add Hamilton to the list

Billy Hamilton? He went to KC
I don't think Miller will be coming to the Mets at this point.  
Ira : 12/13/2018 9:14 am : link
They'll use their resources to upgrade catcher and cf.
Again  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:16 am : link
I hate to shit on the guy but when was the last time Gsellman was "dynamic"? Every team in baseball has Gsellman types in their pen and nobody is wowed by them. It's not a big deal but Gsellman hasn't been anything but filler since 2016.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:17 am : link
really think the Texas talks were for Alex Claudio. Something silly like Kay for Claudio wouldn't shock me.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:21 am : link
sign Grandal. Justin Wilson and Oliver Perez will be more realistic allocation than funds than Miller.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:22 am : link
Justin Wilson vs. lefties last year .188/.301/.342 #Mets
I suggested Ollie last offseason  
debo_GIANTS : 12/13/2018 9:29 am : link
and people thought I was nuts! He would be a good pick up but there is just so much negative sentiment from the fan base.
Love the Familia signing - guy is the best Met reliever of all time  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 9:29 am : link
and now gives them a great 1-2 punch at the back end. Not to mention protects them very well in case of injury. Also nice that as a GB pitcher Mickey really has good options depending on what he needs (double play or K).

The only thing I will say slightly negative is that we all know he walks a tightrope, and as a setup guy that may not be ideal because it may take a lot of fortitude for Callaway to not bring Diaz into jams and let Familia work out of them. But if Callaway plans to deploy the match up based BP where there's not 1 set closer every night that's less of an issue.

When Familia's stuff is on he can be as nasty as anyone in baseball - this is a phenomenal signing.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:31 am : link
.I'll take Wilson or Ollie + Grandal over Miller and Maldonado or Miller and paying the rumored price on Realmuto. I do not believe a they can afford both a "good" C (barring creating holes dealing for Realmuto which would cost them money anyway) AND another top RP and that's with Lagares in CF at the moment.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:34 am : link
suspect the budget allows for one of


Sign another high-end RP like Miller or Robertson
Sign Grandal or Ramos
Sign Pollock


Grandal is the best move available (since Harper/Machado aren't happening).
I would hope they can afford Soria + one of those lefty relievers  
debo_GIANTS : 12/13/2018 9:35 am : link
+ Grandal..

I can live Lagares playing CF and Gsellman pitching the 6th inning, but it forces us to bank on Cespedes returning after the all star break.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 14216889 DanMetroMan said:
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.I'll take Wilson or Ollie + Grandal over Miller and Maldonado or Miller and paying the rumored price on Realmuto. I do not believe a they can afford both a "good" C (barring creating holes dealing for Realmuto which would cost them money anyway) AND another top RP and that's with Lagares in CF at the moment.


sign me up for either option, but my personal preferences right now would probably be Cervelli as C with Varagas offsetting some money, Miller as RP, and then trading Dom for a late bloomer who can provide depth in CF or a late bloomer SP.
RE: I  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 14216894 DanMetroMan said:
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suspect the budget allows for one of


Sign another high-end RP like Miller or Robertson
Sign Grandal or Ramos
Sign Pollock


Grandal is the best move available (since Harper/Machado aren't happening).


I think you're right that they probably have 1 more $10m+ move in them. I'd actually be satisfied with any of those 3 and then filling the other 2 needs "cheaply". It's hard for me to peg which of the 3 I'd prefer bc it will depend on contract. 4 years for either Pollock or Grandal wouldn't be ideal and you lose a 2nd round pick so if Miller or Robertson is say 2/24m I think I'd prefer that.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 14216911 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14216894 DanMetroMan said:


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suspect the budget allows for one of


Sign another high-end RP like Miller or Robertson
Sign Grandal or Ramos
Sign Pollock


Grandal is the best move available (since Harper/Machado aren't happening).



I think you're right that they probably have 1 more $10m+ move in them. I'd actually be satisfied with any of those 3 and then filling the other 2 needs "cheaply". It's hard for me to peg which of the 3 I'd prefer bc it will depend on contract. 4 years for either Pollock or Grandal wouldn't be ideal and you lose a 2nd round pick so if Miller or Robertson is say 2/24m I think I'd prefer that.


I'd be blown away if Miller signs for 2 for 24. He's reportedly asking for 4-5 and will almost certainly get 3 if Joe Kelly and Familia got it. Down year or not he's by far the best lefty available and outside of Kimbrel the best resume. 3 for 36-39 is more like it.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 14216903 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14216889 DanMetroMan said:


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.I'll take Wilson or Ollie + Grandal over Miller and Maldonado or Miller and paying the rumored price on Realmuto. I do not believe a they can afford both a "good" C (barring creating holes dealing for Realmuto which would cost them money anyway) AND another top RP and that's with Lagares in CF at the moment.



sign me up for either option, but my personal preferences right now would probably be Cervelli as C with Varagas offsetting some money, Miller as RP, and then trading Dom for a late bloomer who can provide depth in CF or a late bloomer SP.


If the Pirates are taking back Vargas it means giving up a substantial prospect. In fact, I don't see this realistic at all unless the Mets gave up one of their best prospects. Peterson etc. Why would the Pirates trade Cervelli and take back Vargas otherwise? To save a whopping 1.5 million? Plus as much as he sucks the Mets would have to replace Vargas. Oswalt is not a 30 start MLB pitcher and after him... ?
Vargas  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 9:46 am : link
is owed 10, Cervelli 11.5. This just doesn't make sense for Pittsburgh. Someone like Peterson or Vientos would have to go for sure.
Definitely possible - but he's also gonna be 34 + coming off injury  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 9:47 am : link
whereas Familia just turned 29. I think he will almost definitely get a higher AAV but I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up with 2 years and an option vs. 3.

Point still stands in relation to the other guys though, as I wouldn't mind giving him 3 years and think even 3/36m is a better value than Pollock or Grandal if they end up in the 4/$65m+ range (while also costing a pick).
I'd actually be fine  
Metnut : 12/13/2018 9:48 am : link
with trading Vargas and Peterson for Cervelli (is that value about right?). Use the added cash to sign Britton, Cahill and Pollock. We go into 2019 as NL East favorites even if Philly gets Machado and WSH keeps Harper.
You can also count on  
giantsFC : 12/13/2018 9:48 am : link
Classic Met fashion that 2 of their profile relievers will be out for substantial periods of time by season opener. While us fans will be roasting the other 2 for underperforming all year and not stepping up to the mythical no2 starter the team has been searching for since 2001.

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