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NFT: Familia returns to the Mets, 3 years, 30 million

Defenderdawg : 12/13/2018 5:37 am
Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 2:35 AM
BREAKING: It's a Jeurys Familia reunion in Flushing. Source confirms the Mets have signed the free-agent reliever, who spent the first six and a half years of his career with the team. Familia gives them a setup man in front of newly acquired closer Edwin Diaz

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 2:40 AM
It's a three-year deal for Jeurys Familia, per & #8294;& #8234;@jonmorosi& #8236;& #8297;. & #8294;& #8234;@JeffPassan& #8236;& #8297; broke the signing. With Familia, Diaz, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellman, the Mets now feel they have four dynamic arms at the back of their bullpen. They're still seeking lefty help to balance out that group.

Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo)
12/13/18, 3:09 AM
Jeurys Familia's deal with the Mets is for three years and $30 million. Again, that's pending a physical.
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RE: Weird  
Shecky : 12/13/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 14217053 DanMetroMan said:
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source but the drummer for the band Coheed and Cambria is a massive, massive Mets fan and knows MLB players (presumably fans of his band) and he said one of Pollock's teammates essentially said the guy is unable to stay healthy and knowing the guy (Josh Eppard) is a Mets fan he'd hope his Mets didn't sign him. No idea if there is more to it (aka the players didn't like each other) but I guess it's something.


Not the first time someone has questioned his ability/desire to play through an injury
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:36 am : link
not going to get on DiComo because I assume the Mets give him this talking point but the stat he cites is like something the Mets would have put on the scoreboard when Reyes was hitting .120

"Anthony DiComo

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Count Adam Jones among the right-handed outfielders the Mets have checked in on. Jones, a five-time All-Star, attended the Winter Meetings, but the Mets didn't talk to him in person. Now 33 years old, Jones has been durable, averaging 645 PAs over the past nine seasons."

Durable but bad is still bad.

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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:42 am : link
The Mariners asked about Lagares during the Cano talks (even with the Smith addition). That may have been simply to avoid taking Bruce or Swarzak but how about Lagares for LeBlanc? Would save the Mets 6.25 million. LeBlanc or Vargas to the BP would I guess at least give them back end options/innings soakers and you could have some more money to play with.

Lagares for LeBlanc might allow you to sign both Pollock and a C if done correctly.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:47 am : link
Alex Claudio/Texas is the most obvious answer but they aren't taking Lagares at 9 million just to give up Claudio.... if Kay/Lagares gave you room to operate and add Grandal/Pollock I would certainly do that as well.
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Metnut : 12/13/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 14217087 DanMetroMan said:
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The Mariners asked about Lagares during the Cano talks (even with the Smith addition). That may have been simply to avoid taking Bruce or Swarzak but how about Lagares for LeBlanc? Would save the Mets 6.25 million. LeBlanc or Vargas to the BP would I guess at least give them back end options/innings soakers and you could have some more money to play with.

Lagares for LeBlanc might allow you to sign both Pollock and a C if done correctly.


I don't think we can afford to trade Lagares. Nimmo/Conforto/Pollock aren't exactly the most durable players (albeit, Lagares is the latest durable of the 4!) so we need to play the numbers a bit and have some depth there.
is there a good list of top guys in rule 5?  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 10:47 am : link
would be nice to pop a delino deshields or even a gilmartin type.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:48 am : link
Lagares and Kay for Claudio (savings of about 7.5 million), sign Grandal and Pollock.. BOOM #Mets
I guess you can't  
Metnut : 12/13/2018 10:48 am : link
have a ton of depth everywhere. I'm just concerned given how thin the organization is at OF thanks to Alderson. If you we added Grandal/Pollock, I guess I'd be crazy to not want that just to keep Lagares.

We'd still need another OF in that scenario though. Maybe we get one through the rule 5 today?
RE: is there a good list of top guys in rule 5?  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 14217107 Eric on Li said:
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would be nice to pop a delino deshields or even a gilmartin type.


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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:51 am : link
I'd probably take a shot on Beras. See if Mickey/Eiland could get him MLB passable. Very raw but BA had him touching triple digits #Mets
RE: I guess you can't  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 14217111 Metnut said:
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have a ton of depth everywhere. I'm just concerned given how thin the organization is at OF thanks to Alderson. If you we added Grandal/Pollock, I guess I'd be crazy to not want that just to keep Lagares.

We'd still need another OF in that scenario though. Maybe we get one through the rule 5 today?


The OF depth is so bad that Tebow legit is a top 6 OF right now.
Nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:53 am : link
Conforto
Lagares
Dom Smith
Kaczmarski

Tebow might be next. I mean McNeil is probably who they would go to but still...
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 10:59 am : link
Lagares and Kay for Claudio is about 7.5 million in savings. You'd like to believe that would be significant enough to add both a Grandal and Pollock. (I'm putting Frazier at 3b over McNeil only because that's what they seem to be doing not preference)

1B Alonso
2B Cano
SS Rosario
3B Frazier
LF Nimmo
CF Pollock
RF Conforto
C Grandal

Degrom, Thor, Wheeler, Matz, Vargas

BP
Diaz
Familia
Lugo
Claudio
Zamora
Smith
tbh Pollock and Grandal both scare me a little at 4 years  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 11:02 am : link
so both of them would be a big financial risk knowing the wilpons won't outspend mistakes. Once you give up the 2nd rounder you may as well get both I suppose, but I think I'd settle on whichever 1 of them the scouts are most confident in and then wait out the market for more of a value move at the other spot.
this is a fair opinion and I'm glad they haven't ruled him out  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 11:06 am : link
Mike Puma
‏@NYPost_Mets
1m1 minute ago
The Mets have not ruled out Andrew Miller at this point, but concerns over his health/workload coupled with his price tag - and the team has other areas in need of improvement - could make it difficult.

Familia takes away a lot of the urgency in the BP. I'd have no issue waiting until january and then bringing a few 1 year vets to ST and hoping you can find a Ryan Madson (2017 version). I know he looked shot last year but I wouldn't hate a ST invite for Blevins in a very limited role.
They will probably dumpster dive  
spike : 12/13/2018 11:09 am : link
for a couple of veteran AAAA OFers as backups
RE: this is a fair opinion and I'm glad they haven't ruled him out  
TyreeHelmet : 12/13/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 14217150 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Puma
‏@NYPost_Mets
1m1 minute ago
The Mets have not ruled out Andrew Miller at this point, but concerns over his health/workload coupled with his price tag - and the team has other areas in need of improvement - could make it difficult.

Familia takes away a lot of the urgency in the BP. I'd have no issue waiting until january and then bringing a few 1 year vets to ST and hoping you can find a Ryan Madson (2017 version). I know he looked shot last year but I wouldn't hate a ST invite for Blevins in a very limited role.


I just wish the Mets or writers would just be honest once- its all about the price tag. Like the line they had about being concerend with Machado's personality which is why they aren't pursuing him. Its simply about money- always is with the Mets.

I understand being concerned in salary cap sports but this is simply about cash. It sucks that a NYC franchise won't outspend even minor FA mistakes.
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Mike in NY : 12/13/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 14217116 DanMetroMan said:
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I'd probably take a shot on Beras. See if Mickey/Eiland could get him MLB passable. Very raw but BA had him touching triple digits #Mets


Speaking of Rule 5 Draft, what about gambling on Rob Kaminsky and using him as a LOOGY?
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Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 11:46 am : link
In comment 14217167 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14217116 DanMetroMan said:


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I'd probably take a shot on Beras. See if Mickey/Eiland could get him MLB passable. Very raw but BA had him touching triple digits #Mets



Speaking of Rule 5 Draft, what about gambling on Rob Kaminsky and using him as a LOOGY?


he stood out to me as an option just bc Callaway likely knows him from Cleveland but his stats are pretty meh. he almost walked more guys than he k'd at AA last year though so hard to dream on that.
Mets  
TyreeHelmet : 12/13/2018 12:27 pm : link
Is Marwin Gonzalez an option? Something about Pollock really worries me for the Mets. What is he projected to get?

Is there any scenario where the Mets are in on Harper or Machado? If their markets completely bottom out?
No Rule V talk  
Shecky : 12/13/2018 12:32 pm : link
?!?????????
RE: Mets  
Jay on the Island : 12/13/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14217339 TyreeHelmet said:
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Is Marwin Gonzalez an option? Something about Pollock really worries me for the Mets. What is he projected to get?

Is there any scenario where the Mets are in on Harper or Machado? If their markets completely bottom out?

There is no chance that their markets bottom out. The Dodgers and Phillies have serious interest in Harper as do other teams. The Yankees are more than likely going to sign Machado.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 12:35 pm : link
likely OUT on Miller.
Braxton Lee pick makes a lot of sense - here's FG from last March  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 12:38 pm : link
Was #13 in Miami's system prior to having a bad year in AAA.

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If you enjoyed the Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo era of Marlins baseball (I did), then youre probably going to enjoy watching Lee, who shares many stylistc similarities with Floridas throwback slash-and-dash duo. Lee limits the scope of his offensive approach to suit his skills. Hes a 70 runner with ugly, but effective, bat control and enough strength in his hands and wrists to hit the occasional rope into the gap. Mostly he peppers the opposite field with low-lying contact and reaches via bunt and infield grounders because of his speed. This ability combined with above-average plate discipline has enabled Lee to reach base at a .346 career mark, and his speed enables him to play center field. He looks like a low-end regular or luxury fourth outfielder.
I like M. Gonzalez better than Pollock  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 12:38 pm : link
For one simple reason. Cespedes IS returning at some point. Id love to just assume he doesnt exist but the surgeries are done now and we heard they were successful. The dude is making 30 million AAV. He is going to start when he returns if hes even remotely able. So signing M Gonzalez gives them flexibility to move him around to a bunch of spots similar to McNeil. Signing Pollock likely creates a logjam at some point and I think Id rather allocate my resources better on a limited amount to spend.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 12:38 pm : link
Mets out on Miller as I suspected. Like I said, I feel bad for Mets fans who actually believe this team will spend like a normal NY team. If anything Familia is a Met likely because Miller was too pricey #Mets
Dowdy  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 12:40 pm : link
is trash. Small guy, doesn't throw hard. Best case is a middle reliever and even then I don't see it.
I think I'd actually take Familia > Miller at equal money  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2018 12:42 pm : link
if they were both coming off 100% healthy years I'd take Miller but they aren't.
They  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 12:43 pm : link
are out on the big name RP's lol. They always talk a good game.
Familia was better than Robertson and Miller  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 12:45 pm : link
last year and is younger. Sounds like Brody wants to add more to the pen, just not more elite SU/CL types because they have other needs, mainly catcher.
Really really really hope they don't  
Metnut : 12/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
sign Maldonado. He's worse than our already bad in-house catchers and would be a waste of limited payroll resources. It's a lame Sandy type of signing.

I don't really love M Gonzales either. He's OK depth but not really good at anything. Do we really need more backup IF depth? If they pay a nickle to give him credit for his fluke 2017, it would be a mistake.

Would rather actually sign a "good" player than waste the rest of our budget on filler talent like Maldonado and Gonzales.
So  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
Britton, Miller, Robertson etc aren't happening.
Maldonado  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
is garbage. No guarantee he's even better than Nido given the price differential.
RE: Familia was better than Robertson and Miller  
Metnut : 12/13/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14217383 ZGiants98 said:
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last year and is younger. Sounds like Brody wants to add more to the pen, just not more elite SU/CL types because they have other needs, mainly catcher.


I'm fine with that (and agree about Familia), but please either add a real catcher, not shitty Maldonado, or get an impact talent elsewhere.
Yeah Im not a fan of Maldonado at all  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 12:49 pm : link
Unless they went huge on Harper or something. Maldonado by himself? Gross.
Steamer projections  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 12:50 pm : link
.224/.286/.361

.231/.272/.351


One is Nido, one is Maldonado...
Awful  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 1:28 pm : link


Ken Rosenthal

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@Ken_Rosenthal
13m13 minutes ago
#Mets have discussed three-team trades with multiple teams trying to get Realmuto, at this point to no avail. Framework of one proposal, per sources: Realmuto-plus to #Mets, Syndergaard to #Padres, young players to #Marlins. Not close. Just one of many ideas kicked around.
RE: Awful  
JayBinQueens : 12/13/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14217476 DanMetroMan said:
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Ken Rosenthal

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@Ken_Rosenthal
13m13 minutes ago
#Mets have discussed three-team trades with multiple teams trying to get Realmuto, at this point to no avail. Framework of one proposal, per sources: Realmuto-plus to #Mets, Syndergaard to #Padres, young players to #Marlins. Not close. Just one of many ideas kicked around.


Ugh, can they just give up on JT already
RE: .  
TyreeHelmet : 12/13/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14217366 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets out on Miller as I suspected. Like I said, I feel bad for Mets fans who actually believe this team will spend like a normal NY team. If anything Familia is a Met likely because Miller was too pricey #Mets


Very frustrating as a fan. I could even understand being out on Machado/ Harper if the rational was to beef up their bullpen/ catcher and defense to build around the strong pitching. But they won't even do that.

Shouldn't these be the years they spend with Degrom and Thor on the cheap? They spent 90 million on bad players last year...If they come away with resigning Familia and a shitty catcher, that is an awful FA season.
WTF  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 2:04 pm : link
is wrong with the Mets?

Tim Healey

In Mets' continued pursuit of J.T. Realmuto, talks revolve around Michael Conforto/Brandon Nimmo over Amed Rosario, source says. One of those guys - not multiple - would the centerpiece.

Among the NYM prospects MIA has been keen on: Andres Gimenez, Ronny Mauricio, Mark Vientos.
RE: WTF  
allstarjim : 12/13/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14217533 DanMetroMan said:
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is wrong with the Mets?

Tim Healey

In Mets' continued pursuit of J.T. Realmuto, talks revolve around Michael Conforto/Brandon Nimmo over Amed Rosario, source says. One of those guys - not multiple - would the centerpiece.

Among the NYM prospects MIA has been keen on: Andres Gimenez, Ronny Mauricio, Mark Vientos.


Disgusted.
RE: WTF  
Metnut : 12/13/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14217533 DanMetroMan said:
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is wrong with the Mets?

Tim Healey

In Mets' continued pursuit of J.T. Realmuto, talks revolve around Michael Conforto/Brandon Nimmo over Amed Rosario, source says. One of those guys - not multiple - would the centerpiece.

Among the NYM prospects MIA has been keen on: Andres Gimenez, Ronny Mauricio, Mark Vientos.


Why would we add anyone when we're trading the better player with more years of control?
RE: WTF  
KevinBBWC : 12/13/2018 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14217533 DanMetroMan said:
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is wrong with the Mets?

Tim Healey

In Mets' continued pursuit of J.T. Realmuto, talks revolve around Michael Conforto/Brandon Nimmo over Amed Rosario, source says. One of those guys - not multiple - would the centerpiece.

Among the NYM prospects MIA has been keen on: Andres Gimenez, Ronny Mauricio, Mark Vientos.


Ouch that would hurt. Basically any rumored Realmuto trade looks like it will be bad for the Mets.
RE: WTF  
Shecky : 12/13/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14217533 DanMetroMan said:
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is wrong with the Mets?

Tim Healey

In Mets' continued pursuit of J.T. Realmuto, talks revolve around Michael Conforto/Brandon Nimmo over Amed Rosario, source says. One of those guys - not multiple - would the centerpiece.

Among the NYM prospects MIA has been keen on: Andres Gimenez, Ronny Mauricio, Mark Vientos.


Makes you wonder how theonlyRealmuto rumors you hear about areMet related.
And ever single rumor gradually gets fans angrier and angrier. Hmmmm
Can you clarify?  
ZGiants98 : 12/13/2018 2:20 pm : link
Does that mean the Marlins are leaking info or the Mets?
RE: Can you clarify?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/13/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14217550 ZGiants98 said:
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Does that mean the Marlins are leaking info or the Mets?


Generally if the rumors are heavily one sided and make one team look bad, you can probably assume it's a leak.
Brodie  
TyreeHelmet : 12/13/2018 2:28 pm : link
I know its still early but anyone else getting a bad feeling about BVW the GM? All I see thus far is an inexperienced agent turned GM who wants to get target his former clients.

I was hoping he would get the Wilpons to spend and navigate free agency deftly. So far there is zero evidence of that. But atleast Fred and Jeff have a polished speaker they can throw in front of a mic.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2018 2:30 pm : link
love to believe that but EVERY one of the national writers AND beat writers have the same info. They wouldn't all be speaking to the same source.
Why not talk to the Yanks about Wheeler?  
Chris684 : 12/13/2018 2:40 pm : link
Clint Frazier is just sitting there. They have some young, cost controlled pitching they can give back as well.

There is some risk with both Wheeler and Frazier but I think it's a great fit as both also have tremendous upside. Mets can then build their rotation around paying Jake and Thor and their right handed middle of the lineup bat. Yanks get a year to make sure Wheeler can solidify himself as a top end starter before having to pay him.

I'm only one Mets fan but I don't have near the attachment to Wheeler as I do Noah. I don't think it could be the PR disaster Thor would be.
Shecky alluded to Fred Wilpon have a massive hard-on  
debo_GIANTS : 12/13/2018 2:40 pm : link
for Realmuto. While I'm sure Brodie also likes the player, don't you think it is possible that he is engaging in these ridiculous trade negotiations to appease his boss.

Just like in the business world, sometimes you need to manage upwards in order to get the support needed to do your job.

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