NFT: Knicks Sign Trier to 2 Year Deal - Baker out

Probably isn't good enough to play meaningful minutes on a good team and he got overpaid, but I will miss the guy. He played his ass off any time he saw the floor and was always the first guy off the bench to greet his teammates. I know those are cliches but they are true with him. I'd rather see Kornet go but they need the big man depth.

All the best to Baker.

out some of the most ridiculous contracts in the history of the league (Noah, Jerome James, Shandon Anderson, Eisley, Eddy Curry, and many others), but the Baker contract, despite being relatively tiny, may have been the most nonsensical. Just completely absurd on every level.

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Allonzo Trier's two-year contract is for $7 million and has a team option for the second year, per ESPN sources. Ron Baker will be waived to make room for Trier.

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The Knicks would have lost their bi-annual exception next year, anyway, since they plan on dropping below the cap. So it�s a good use of it now.

Trier will be a restricted free agent in 2020 with Early Bird rights.

to get to durant max

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hustling. If he sticks in the NBA I will be shocked.

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out some of the most ridiculous contracts in the history of the league (Noah, Jerome James, Shandon Anderson, Eisley, Eddy Curry, and many others), but the Baker contract, despite being relatively tiny, may have been the most nonsensical. Just completely absurd on every level.

Understand what your saying but give the Knicks situation all it cost them was cash and not cap. It was just an enormous parting gift from Phil Jackson.

It's amazing to say given how many shitty contracts they have given out, but Noah is by far the worst. Given the high cost and now length with the stretch and just how bad he was, it's not even close.

Trier, Dotson and Robinson were excellent finds.

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Trier, Dotson and Robinson were excellent finds.

and they are all locked up...

if knicks do sign a max with kp, can go over cap to sign dotson after next year along with trier...

Robinson is signed for 4 years...

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to get to durant max

Hopefully they don't do something stupid early just to get it. You don't necessarily need 38 mil in cap space going into the conversation with him, they need the cap space when they need to make the signing official. I have no problem attaching an asset to trade Lee or Hardaway when you actually have a Durant/Kyrie/Kawhi in fold; then you know attaching a pick wont kill you. To attach draft picks without assurance you are getting a prime player though will always come back to haunt them.

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In comment 14216997 nygiants16 said: Quote: to get to durant max Hopefully they don't do something stupid early just to get it. You don't necessarily need 38 mil in cap space going into the conversation with him, they need the cap space when they need to make the signing official. I have no problem attaching an asset to trade Lee or Hardaway when you actually have a Durant/Kyrie/Kawhi in fold; then you know attaching a pick wont kill you. To attach draft picks without assurance you are getting a prime player though will always come back to haunt them.

it is actually closer to 8 or 9 million so you need to trade lee

Like someone said, Kornet is needed as a last big man off the bench. Baker wasn't needed at all. Not that I didn't like the guy - just ... WTF with that contract.

may also be nice to have a little extra cap space to keep vonlehs cap hold and you can go over cap to resign him..

I didn�t know you can do that for 1 year deals

I thought Trier might test the market this summer, but I'm glad he's locked up. Progress...

But bittersweet. Really like Baker. Good team guy. Hope he lands somewhere. And congrats to him, on being a multi-millionaire.

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I didn�t know you can do that for 1 year deals

there is a cap hold on any contract, just a matter of early bird rights or full bird rights

"the Lee deal" in imminent.

if they could have moved him they would have by now. He needs to rehab, get meaningful minutes and hope someone needs perimeter help at the deadline. And we need to not take back salary. That's a lot of asks.

it means we're including a good young player/draft pick to get rid of him. As Steve mentioned, it's probably best to wait until Durant or Kawhi have a pen in their hands and a contract in front of them.

So far the Knicks haven't done anything questionable since Perry has arrived imo, except for stretching Noah too early. This is pretty much as expected, no fake injuries, no improbable trade scenarios lying in wait, just a straight up boring and logical transaction.

this you can tell the Knicks are committed to tanking. #RIPRonBaker

With a two-year, $7 million contract, Knicks guard Allonzo Trier is now basically getting paid the equivalent of what the No. 12 overall pick in the 2018 NBA Draft (Miles Bridges) will make over that time. Not bad for an undrafted rookie.

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it means we're including a good young player/draft pick to get rid of him. As Steve mentioned, it's probably best to wait until Durant or Kawhi have a pen in their hands and a contract in front of them.

Is Tim Hardaway Jr. or Trey Burke considered good young players? :D

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may also be nice to have a little extra cap space to keep vonlehs cap hold and you can go over cap to resign him..

No bird rights on Vonleh. Maybe they can use the MLE once they go over the cap but I think once they renounce him they can't sign him. Could be wrong on that.

Hardaway is the guy they have to move. He can help a team but his role here just isn't needed. I think a trade with Detroit or Sac make a lot of sense.

If you also need to move Lee this offseason, then you can figure it out once its definitely needed ( trade dump, trade with pick, stretch).

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Is Tim Hardaway Jr. or Trey Burke considered good young players? :D

The answer to your question is they are Michigan Men. So, yes.

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In comment 14217112 Anakim said: Quote: Is Tim Hardaway Jr. or Trey Burke considered good young players? :D The answer to your question is they are Michigan Men. So, yes.

Awesome. If a team is good for Christmas, we'll even include young stud Mario Hezonja

obvious trade candidate because his contract isn't that outrageous and he's a nice 2 way player. Tim Hardaway Jr if they could figure out a way to trade him I feel like it'd be a minor miracle.

When you sign someone to a contract, presumably your offer is based on what their worth to you compared what other teams are offering. I cannot figure out how the Knicks signed each of these guys to their amounts considering what they were bidding against

lately.

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obvious trade candidate because his contract isn't that outrageous and he's a nice 2 way player. Tim Hardaway Jr if they could figure out a way to trade him I feel like it'd be a minor miracle.

But hes also 33, currently injured, and really not that good of player. His defense is also overrated. He's not a bad defender, but he isn't exactly Tony Allen. He's probably not starting for a good team. I just don't see a team eager to pay a 34 year old Lee 13 million next year...

I could see a team talking themselves into Hardaway. The guy has his flaws which are magnified on this team, but he can score and he's only 26. I just don't think the Knicks will salary dump him yet.

but I think Hardaway's value is in offense only. He is just a shooter. If another team values that and would take that contract, he should definitely be moved. Especially if it meant Durant. He and Porzingas can take the shots that Tim takes now. Not to mention Trier, Frank shooting more, etc.

Maybe I'm undervaluing him though.

Anyone else see the article about the Clippers plan to sign Durant and Leonard? They have room for 2 max FAs but I just don't see that. The clippers will always be 2nd fiddle to the Lakers.

I think its Knicks or Warriors for Durant. Is he really going to form another "superteam" with Leonard on the Clippers? Maybe I'm being optimistic...

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Anyone else see the article about the Clippers plan to sign Durant and Leonard? They have room for 2 max FAs but I just don't see that. The clippers will always be 2nd fiddle to the Lakers. I think its Knicks or Warriors for Durant. Is he really going to form another "superteam" with Leonard on the Clippers? Maybe I'm being optimistic...

I think the Clips are a legit threat...given their city and owner. Plus they have Jerry West advising them which doesn't hurt.

a little bit of a stretch, yea they have that amount of cap space but that means they are letting harris walk...it would basically be durant and kawhi with gallinari

I know some people say his contract isn't terrible now but if he is traded there is language in his contract that increases his salary even higher. That is a tough pill to swallow for any potentially interested team.

Hardaway or Lee. Don�t really need to do it until the summer when you have a verbal commitment from Durant or Kawhi. Otherwise just keep them and move on. There is some slim chance that teams come knocking for either one this season and are willing to make a deal that is favorable for the Knicks but I doubt it.

Most likely scenario is that neither big free agent comes to the Knicks so there is no point in dumping pieces now to clear space.

My only real issue with Hardaway is he takes shots and playing time away from the young guys but as a lead player he kind of sucks which is good for the tank.

is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick.

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is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick.

and people questioned why the knicks got rid of him before the season started and didnt wait

what did he say?

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what did he say?

basically said that he was to lit for new york city and the town is to lit, memphis is smaller so he can be lit withiut anyone really caring...

There were rumors that perry did not want him around the young kids and hahn intimated that noah got to one of the young guys last year, my guess hernangomez

But since he is gloriously gone, I don't need to!

person speak, Noah would go out and party too much.

Hahn said he used to bring younger players with him too.

Seems like why they needed to keep him away from the team, beyond just benching him.

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But since he is gloriously gone, I don't need to!

Party hard and couldn't recover like he used to when he was younger and Hahn said it impacted the younger players he took under his wing too.

A real pro's pro

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is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick.

I used to have great respect for this guy too. How about you show some pride in your job? Guy got paid 72 million and didn�t earn one penny of it. And he had the audacity to complain about NY?

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is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick.

to this day I can't believe Phil thought it was a good idea to surround KP with garbage (on and off the court) like Noah and Rose.

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In comment 14217750 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick. I used to have great respect for this guy too. How about you show some pride in your job? Guy got paid 72 million and didn�t earn one penny of it. And he had the audacity to complain about NY?

Same. Seemed like a gamer and a good dude. He may be a "good dude" still but not a professional and clearly he got paid and stop caring.

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In comment 14217750 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick. to this day I can't believe Phil thought it was a good idea to surround KP with garbage (on and off the court) like Noah and Rose.

Phil didn't know what he was doing. That much is clear.

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In comment 14217750 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick. to this day I can't believe Phil thought it was a good idea to surround KP with garbage (on and off the court) like Noah and Rose.

And hiring Derek Fisher to coach them

for guys who can get triple-doubles or anything - who needs them?

people like ramona shelbourne are loving the fact that phil is hanging around the lakers and thinks it will be good for him to help in the front office..

It is amazing how the lakers can do know wrong

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1) Too stupid to play in NY
2) Too stupid to keep his mouth shut about being too stupid to play in NY.

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Would think they try to trade russel now -

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For the nets Would think they try to trade russel now -

i was thinking this, doesnt make sense for them to resign russel...

The Knicks should be able to get their money back. To recap, he was suspended for peds, had 2 surgeries, got in a fight with his coach and was awful the 55 games he did play. Now he�s saying pretty much that his drinking prevented him from doing his job.

the Trier and Durant have such a personal connection together.

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Trier and �KD� became �close� when Trier was one of the top high school prospects in the country, spending two years playing high school ball in Oklahoma City. The then-Thunder star has served as a mentor and attended several of Trier�s high school games. �We became close, yes,�� Trier said after Thursday�s practice here. �Yeah, he�s seen plenty [of my games]. I was one of the top-ranked players in the country out of high school. Just a guy being a genuine person, wanted to look out for me, wanted to get to know me and build a relationship with me. Ever since then our bond has grown and [he] became my brother.

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the Trier and Durant have such a personal connection together. Quote: Trier and �KD� became �close� when Trier was one of the top high school prospects in the country, spending two years playing high school ball in Oklahoma City. The then-Thunder star has served as a mentor and attended several of Trier�s high school games. �We became close, yes,�� Trier said after Thursday�s practice here. �Yeah, he�s seen plenty [of my games]. I was one of the top-ranked players in the country out of high school. Just a guy being a genuine person, wanted to look out for me, wanted to get to know me and build a relationship with me. Ever since then our bond has grown and [he] became my brother. Link - ( New Window )

there is a quote from kd saying he jumped out of his chair when he say triers dunk against atlanta

Is reportedly an enormous basketball and NBA fan. And its clear when you hear him speak about hoops. A lot of athletes don't follow the sport their in when not playing. He definitely watches a lot of basketball.

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Is reportedly an enormous basketball and NBA fan. And its clear when you hear him speak about hoops. A lot of athletes don't follow the sport their in when not playing. He definitely watches a lot of basketball.

Yup, he has his faults, but Durant loves the game. You can see how fed up he gets with the distractions surrounding the NBA - he just wants to play and go home. He mentioned Ja Morant on a recent Bill Simmons podcast - I think I know who we're drafting.

came off well on Hot Ones. Seemed like a pretty normal guy.

is going to regret that Doncic trade for a long, long time.

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In comment 14217750 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick. to this day I can't believe Phil thought it was a good idea to surround KP with garbage (on and off the court) like Noah and Rose.

Yeah, Rose is such garbage.....

He's basically beloved by all his teammates and city. Great call on that one.

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is going to regret that Doncic trade for a long, long time.

Doncic's fun to watch, and I would've wanted him #1 overall had the Knicks won the lottery. He's not exactly the greatest athlete in the world - he's a little, uh, doughy - but he can play. Amazing that Dallas got him at #5. A perfect successor to Dirk as the face of the franchise. Guys will want to play with him, too.

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In comment 14217908 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 14217750 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick. to this day I can't believe Phil thought it was a good idea to surround KP with garbage (on and off the court) like Noah and Rose. Yeah, Rose is such garbage..... He's basically beloved by all his teammates and city. Great call on that one.

yup, he's garbage, plain and simple. You're blind.

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Is reportedly an enormous basketball and NBA fan. And its clear when you hear him speak about hoops. A lot of athletes don't follow the sport their in when not playing. He definitely watches a lot of basketball.

Reminds me of the story about ARod and Jeter when they were still friends. ARod stayed at Jeter's house in Tampa once, and was shocked that Jeter didn't have the Extra Innings package on his cable. Baseball consumed ARod's life, but to Jeter it was just a job.

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is going to regret that Doncic trade for a long, long time.

I wonder if there was a trade option for the Knicks. Looking back would you have traded the 2018 and protected 2019 pick for Doncic? I doubt they wanted to drop to 9 or probably would have wanted no protection on 2019. I'd still be tempted- Doncic is incredible.

As in stands now Dallas only had to trade the 2019 18th overall pick for him. A great great trade...

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yup, he's garbage, plain and simple. You're blind.

Lol... it�s ok to be wrong about him. Most people who don�t watch games have been, like yourself.

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In comment 14218454 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14217908 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 14217750 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is such a fucking scumbag. His quote today made me sick. to this day I can't believe Phil thought it was a good idea to surround KP with garbage (on and off the court) like Noah and Rose. Yeah, Rose is such garbage..... He's basically beloved by all his teammates and city. Great call on that one. yup, he's garbage, plain and simple. You're blind.

i am going to guess you have not watched him at all this year..

18 ppg, 5assists, 49 percent, 48 percent from 3...

far from garbage

Dude, I was counting on you to chase Timmy out of the starting lineup.

Went 7-21 in the G league... Yikes.

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Went 7-21 in the G league... Yikes.

That�s kinda why he�s there..

Did you expect a well oiled machine right off the bat after missing the entire season so far?

We knew this was coming. I�m sure made tons of calls and the only thing we could do was cut Baker. I bet no moves of consequence for the rest of the year.

Perhaps the tide is finally turning...

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Flash forward to this year's draft with the Knicks, where Perry and President Steve Mills added Knox, Robinson and, effectively, Trier, who is leading all Knicks rookies at 11.3 points per game but is now sidelined with a hamstring injury. "I think they did a phenomenal job on the last draft," one NBA scout said of the Knicks. "They definitely have an eye for basketball talent. "If you look at the work that Scott Perry did in Sacramento, if you put those two drafts together, he's probably next to Danny Ainge [of the Celtics]." The scout added that if you had one NBA team comprised of Fox, Jackson, Mason, Giles, Knox, Robinson and Trier, it would be fairly loaded with young talent.

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Ian Begley Verified account @IanBegley The NBA's last 2-minute report states that refs should have called a shooting foul on Matthew Dellavedova with 19 seconds to play & NYK down by 1 in CLE's win over the Knicks on Wednesday. A foul would have put Emmanuel Mudiay on the free-throw line with a chance to take the lead

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